#fictional versions of historical figures

[just-an-enby-lemon]

H.G started to speak, still unsure of this ghostly gathering but at the same time hopefull this time he and his ... friends (huh) would have a good time. "Hello guys, for starters I'm both sad and surprised that all of you had such tragic horrible deaths."

"Mine was actually fab." Lenore joked and H.G smilled at her.

"Most of us." he ammeded.

"Uh... Not to be rude but didn't most of us died in front of you?" George Elliot said apollogetically. She was right of course, they had mostly died at the same night they met at Poe's party but H.G was not sure if it was an observation that should've been pointed.

"The ones that didn't. " He corrected himself once more.

Except, well, Edgar send a very offended and hurt look in his direction, one very similar to the looks he sent Lenore when she pointed out that ghost ravens were even harder to find and raise than normal ravens and he should at least consider it before creating another rapiary. And as it always happened when he got an idea from a new invention H.G was suddently hit with the realization that for someone like Edgar dying a tragic and premature death was not only something he expected but something he took pride in and that having it as a surprise was actually a genuine blow to his ego.

"With the exception of Edgar's of course." He said. Poe smilled proudly. "It was very unsurprising."

Mary raised her hand and H.G was touched. He knew pretty well Shelley only did that because she had noticed his dificulty following a room with too many people.

"Ignoring the fact she shouldn't even be at this party as she helped kill us all, I would say that dying of health complications is a Brontë classic and Charlotte's death was deeply expected."

Lenore high fived her as Charlotte made an offended sound.

"Well if we're going by that" Charlotte started "Than Hemmingway's whole 'life is suferring' and drinking habits would definitivaly point to him dying tragically."

"Hey!" Ernest complained "You're right but also fuck you."

"Fine! I'm surprised at Oscar's tragic death." H.G corrected hoping it would be the last time. "He seemed very put together last time."

"Oh, well, thank you." Wilde answered with one of his charming smiles and an almost bow, always the drama queen.

Just like last time Agatha Christie had not even made her appearence yet and things where already decending into petty bickering. This would surely be an event.

#i wrote this in class like a loser #edgar allan poe's murder mystery dinner party #shipwrecked comedy #fictional versions of historical figures #poe party #shipwrecked

[kismetconstellations]

Little Barlyle Things That Haunt Me

- How Phineas is the only person calling for Phillip during the fire at the Barnum Museum, and the growing panic in his voice and fear in his eyes when he realizes that Phillip isn’t coming back out of the museum on his own. 

- “They come to see you.” Despite the stands being filled to capacity for the Oddities’ and Anne and W.D.’s performance of “This Is Me”, where Phineas was completely absent. 

- That Phineas manhandling Phillip is such an innate part of their dynamic, it bled over into Hugh and Zac’s interactions behind the scenes. 

- Phineas needing to straddle Phillip, essentially draping his entire body over him, in order to affirm for himself that Phillip is still breathing. 

- Everything about this:

#Zac Efron #The light of my life. #The love of my life. #Phillip Carlyle #My melancholic disgraced alcoholic love. #Hugh Jackman #P.T. Barnum #The Circus King #Barlyle #OTP: You brought joy into my life. #ZH #The Greatest Showman #Meta #TGS Meta #Yes this circus ship still owns my soul. #Yes I am and always will be unmitigated Circus Dads trash; shipping a romanticized version of a controversial historical figure with his #fictional benefactor-turned-apprentice-turned-partner. #And #yes #every time I rewatch this movie my love for them is renewed and amplified a billionfold.

[darabeatha]

ANYWAYS- I don't have much energy in general but I just wanted to drop by and say I had a thought in regards to the rather unique shape of the scar on his forehead in his fate design (which is a reference to the oftentimes more commonly known version of his story that recounts the motif of his death being by dying from his people throwing rocks at him which is the version f.ate seems to have followed) that it's not just there to represent this version of the story but could also be a reference to an iconographic pre-Hispanic attribute from Tezcatlipoca itself that is called the Ezpitzal, which is this:

(though in this piece, Tezca is shown under the guise of Tepeyollotl, it's still tezca) The Ezpitzal is often shown as a stream of blood that emanates from Tezcatlipoca's head. Professor Batalla pointed out that this term also relates to the Nahuatl concept of expressing anger

'it’s worth remembering that Tezcatlipoca was a god notorious for sowing discord and deceit'

So I just thought of how fitting it would be for Montezuma to have this and how similar it looks to his scar (or well, how fitting it would be to a fictional stylized version of course) as Moctezuma's name is basically a compound of the noun 'lord' and the verb that means 'to frown in anger' which altogether gets interpreted as 'he who frowns like a lord' or 'he who is angry in a noble manner' and well, how this ties back to the Ezpitzal as a symbol that expresses anger

NOW IT COULD just be the shape of his scar and there's no deep meaning behind it but I still think it would be a nice little detail about his design if that was the case (if not then its just me overthinking symbolisms again), not to mention that even after the Spanish conquest took place and how as a consequence, a lot of characteristic traits and symbolisms were lost in regards to images, even then the Ezpitzal was still depicted (though barely there) with these protruding rounded edges

#;about #about #;m.octezuma ii #i am once again going insane about him and about symbolisms and character design #f.go fans about his clothes: lol he's just f.ate's black panther #me: WRONG! WRATH OF HISTORY CULTURE AND SYMBOLISM BUT PORTRAYED IN A MODERN FICTIONALIZED ANIME VERSION OF IMPORTANT FICTIONAL AND HISTO- #-HISTORICAL FIGURES #always important to note that f.ate is fictional interpretation and doesnt seek to portray history or mythology in a 100% historically- #accurate version #at the end of the day; they are all anime pngs #but as a writer and character design enjoyer i just really enjoy putting pieces together and formulating theories #maybe there is no meaning behind it! but as an rp writer its fun; that's really it #also i understand the black panther memes dwdw; being silly rq his outfit does kinda look like a big feline (mask included) #me not being able to shut up ever: WHICH JAGUARS ARE TIED TO TEZCATLIPOCA AND THE COLOR BLACK BEING ASSOCIATED WITH SMOKE AND OBSIDIAN AND- #its just; people complaining that some servants look really random but then its about the subtle details that u would normally not look at #in a general quick glance #I MEAN; sometimes they are just silly like that; but then there's other times where it is there -nods- #do u see my vision- #its like the ends of his scar has these rounded ends like the ezpitzal #they are almost 6 ends as well; let's pretend there are 6 #;headcanons #headcanons

[doyouknowthisjewishcharacter]

Do you know this Jewish character?

#jewish characters #jumblr #fate/grand order #avicebron fate/grand order #other in media confirmation #he's a fictionalized version of a jewish historical figure (Solomon ibn Gabiro)

[feralgodmothers]

so I just finished season 3 of The Great for the second time…

and it should come as no surprise to anyone that I am just:

My head hurts, my eyes are swollen like I’ve been punched in the face, I’m dying inside, and my soul is crushed

It is not easier the second time around, friends

Instead of crying less I just cried sooner

#I miss him #he’s a fictionalized version of a historical figure and I miss him 💔 #why’d they do this to me? #what did I ever do to them? 😫😭 #the great

[hasarjunadoneanythingwrong]

I think Tumblr should have "the place where people send death threats to one another because their favorite villain did the same" for their app description.

in all honestly that is not a trait unique to tumblr, most websites with significant fandom populations will have conflict just bc of how people in groups tend to be

...that being said, it should have a description that says 'even if you persistently post that you are not interested in true crime or someone's fetish for recent active serial killers, and you block their asks every time you get them, theyre still gonna send you spam asks about how 'uwu kawaii' these murderers are that they also send to 20 other blogs at a time bc they don't know how to behave themselves online'

you wouldnt happen to know anything about that, would you? because i'll be honest with you, getting this ask right before yet another one of those spam asks is suspicious at best. what villain do you feel you're being harassed for liking? is it a fictional villain, or are you fetishising and glorify a recent killer so you can play fangirl to them? are you actually being harassed, or are you just mad that the blogs you spam with asks about these people aren't interested and don't want to engage with you?

#pro top-you dont want people to harass you dont harass them with random contextless asks about how you think ur serial killer of choice is #misunderstood or a girlboss or cute or something #ill be honest: a heavily fictionalized version of an irl historical figure that lived 100+ years ago and a murderer with no historical #importance from 20 years back are not the same #and i think you know that and just want to harass people #youre annoying people at best and actively pissing them off at worst #my asks #this may not be the same person but ill be dmned if it doesnt seem suspicious

[emperornero]

i hope older people interested in ancient roman history sometimes visit my blog and think oh well this guy really likes nero and also is insane ok

#whenever i say something weird about nero its about some fictional version of him. just so you know #talking about historical figures like that is weird. in my opinion.

[elucubrare]

What are your biggest turn-offs when reading/watching historical fiction or retellings of myths?

this is really complicated - i can put it in two boxes, both of which are packed very full.

disconnection from the material reality of the past

when characters display a very specifically modern mindset (about social issues especially, but other stuff too)

(I also get bothered by some kinds of modern language - I don't mind it when, idk, an author uses "sensible" with the modern connotation of "practical" and not the 18th century "emotional" or "empathetic", but "yeah" or "okay," or even, as i found out when someone used it in medieval fantasy, "holy shit" will get on my nerves.)

there are modern things where (made up example!) a character who's supposed to be a cook will talk about making caprese salad for a fancy restaurant in December, and someone snarking on the book will say "yeah, right, they should know better than to make something that depends on a fresh summer vegetable!" and even with greenhouses, that's pretty fair. and that's even more extreme in the past. it's 1650 in Verona, it's December, you cannot obtain fresh tomatoes. i don't think this means that people in the past were, necessarily, more emotionally or spiritually in tune with the cycle of the year, or the labor it took to get clothes, or furniture, or any other material item, and of course wealth can insulate people from some of that difficulty, but it does mean that the seasons had more direct impact on people's lives. It's possible to, for example, buy clothes ready-made, but for anything fancy, it's more likely that it'll be made to fit if it's new, or altered extensively and painstakingly if it's not. that means that tearing or staining a fancy dress isn't just an issue of looking bad - you can't just replace it, and you probably won't throw it out - you figure out how to reuse it. those concerns of access to material goods are just a lot closer to the surface of the world than they often are now.

my objections to modern attitudes about the world are not that people in the past 100% accepted the views of their contemporaries - there were always people who didn't, and it makes sense that a protagonist would be one of them. but people wouldn't phrase those objections in the same way that modern people would - say your main character doesn't want a woman accused of being a witch burned. "God's power is such that the Devil cannot give this woman the ability to sour milk" is most likely going to be more persuasive to the crowd than "witches aren't real." and sometimes that's rough - it's not super fun to read about a Roman with Roman attitudes about provincial wars, or slavery in the city, but I put something down because a Roman character said (in internal dialogue) that he was disgusted to see that a man had been tortured because "Romans simply didn't do that." Historical Romans did do that, routinely - a slave could not testify in a law court unless they had been tortured. Even with distasteful things like that, I'd much rather it just be glossed over than to have them say the "correct" modern thing. It just makes it feel too much like the theme park version of the culture.

Both of these are because of specific things I come to historical fiction for - I want that sense of alienation, the gulf of experience. I hate that most historical fiction (and fantasy set in semi-recognizable periods) characters don't really care about Honor, except as a joke, because I love when characters organize their lives around arcane rules and systems that cause tiny things to escalate into blood feud. I just think they're neat! I like it when people's worldviews are shaped by their lack of scientific certainty about what causes crops to fail! If I wanted to read about people who thought and acted like me, and had lives that were mostly similar to mine, only cooler, I'd just read contemporary fiction.

#my thoughts on...

[bogkeep]

i Genuinely find goncharov (1973) to be a really profound piece of collaborative storytelling and mythmaking and not just A Meme - like it is that, but it follows all these threads that have been human tradition for as long as we can remember, i think.

from mythologies about local pantheons and how the stories have evolved through geography, oral storytelling, and cultural drift over centuries and millennia - there is no One Right Version of the story, because every story is right Somewhere. from, whatever is going on with arthuriana and similar collections of Characters and their arcs. from the entirety of the czech republic playing into the cimrman bit, and kids having to learn that he's not real like he's santa or the tooth fairy. from the way actual historical figures get shrouded in propaganda to a point where what we learn about them is not the real story of what actually happened. from fandom shenanigans with homestuck's squiddles, and, uh, didn't voltron fandom invent a bootleg klance? from superwholock gif collections to the way podcast fandoms seem to soldify character designs for characters who have no canon visual appearance beyond a few precious clues.

i think stories can be Real without being Canon, because where DO any of these lines go? at what point does a character go from being an OC to a Fictional Character? are we not telling a story together? scorsese and license plate matteo didn't make this movie but you've made the movie now, or at the very least the experience of one. and you made something beautiful! you could have made a spiteful and irony poisoned dig at the movie industry and instead you decided to create something beautiful and meaningful.

#goncharov #'ok but what if it was homoerotic AND sapphic' nice it's got something for everyone #and i get to reblog fanart for it just as i reblog fanart for other properties I haven't watched

[promises-of-paradise]

OKAY HEAR ME OUT:

All of these edgy science fiction / fantasy novels about overthrowing evil empires and then becoming the very thing that you sought to destroy and the main character ending up as bad as the regime they overthrew and all that, you know?

You could very easily make a dramatised version of the life of Napoleon Bonaparte, transplant it into generic fantasy evil empire world, change the names of the historical figures to fictional names, and all the tumblrinas would eat that up.

Picture this: Napoleon Our protagonist is born the second child in a large family on Corsica generic fantasy island, is sent to a military academy in France evil empire, and begins to rise through the ranks of the army. A revolution occurs, in which the French evil empire monarchy is overthrown, and our protagonist, a supporter of the revolution, fights for the revolutionary government against royalist uprisings and the first coalition other evil empires. Along the way, our protagonist becomes increasingly powerful, as well as being an absolute slut. After a series of military campaigns, our protagonist, seeing the corruption of the directory new evil government, stages a coup and becomes first consul generic fantasy leader. However, over the course of the book, our protagonist has acquired a huge ego and lost many morals, and ends up themself the emperor of France fantasy kingdom. "Morally grey" shenanigans ensue. (Of course, our protagonist would have many many love interests, such as Josephine de Beauharnais hot milf, Jean-Andoche Junot hot best friend, and Tsar Alexander I enemies-to-lovers-to-enemies-again.) (Main character would be characterised as being the most pathetic little person to ever exist who is frequently bullied for being quirky and not-like-other-girls)

#THIS POST IS 100% SILLY OKAY PLEASE DON'T TAKE ANYTHING I SAY SERIOUSLY #history #napoleon #napoleonic #napoleonic era #napoleon bonaparte #books #bookblr #fantasy #fantasy books #fantasy writing #writing #writeblr #literature #locked tomb #iron widow #baru cormorant #i'm sorry for this

[neil-gaiman]

Mr. Gaiman, I was wondering something. I would never accuse Sir Terry Pratchett of even unintentional plagiarism, perhaps down more to my perception of the man than anything concrete, but I was trying to figure out if there was perhaps a common source that may have inspired two works.

There was an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine that bore some very generalized similarities to the plot of Night Watch, in that a man is thrown back in time to a few days before an extremely important historical riot and ends up replacing one of the key figures in said riot, who died ignominiously beforehand. I have not finished the novel but some people who heard me point out the general similarities have remarked that there are further parallels. Perhaps there are, perhaps there aren't.

I was wondering whether you knew anything about the writing of Night Watch that might shed some light on this. Its publication postdates the premier of the episode by a few years but obviously I have no idea whether its composition did.

I don't have any reason to believe that you would know, other than having known Sir Terry, but I thought I'd ask. Best wishes!

Terry and I used to talk about what he was watching on TV all the time. If you'd found a relationship between an episode of Red Dwarf and a Terry book, I think that we could conclude that Terry had borrowed the idea. I don't ever remember him talking about any Star Treks other than the original series. But that doesn't mean anything. It's quite possible that Terry caught that DS9 episode or part of it and went "But they've missed the point! That's not the interesting bit!" and went off to write his own version. It certainly wouldn't have been the first time that Terry took his irritation with a piece of popular fiction and used it as the grain of sand in the oyster to build a pearl around.

Remember, though, Person Goes Back In Time and Finds That They Are Mistaken For Someone They Think Is Important is very much a standard trope in SF. I think the first time I encountered it was Michael Moorcock's Behold the Man. What's important about Night Watch is that Vimes is becoming the person who inspired Vimes, and that we get to see how the events of the Glorious 25th of May shaped the people we have known as adult, finished versions of themselves into those people.

As a general rule though, it's wisest to read the whole book before diving off after questions about the plot, otherwise you might look a bit silly if the book goes somewhere else.

[cryptotheism]

I was interested, Since you seem to know at least something about ttrpgs and a lot about magic history-

What do you think of the way that the Ars Magica ttrpg handles its setting/magic , and is it historically accurate to the beliefs/practices of the time? Apologies if it’s been asked before.

I get questions like this a lot. If I got into the nitty gritty of how a piece of media matches up with historical occultism, I would rapidly become annoying and pedantic a la CinemaSins, or Niel Degrasse Tyson.

The vast, vast majority of media does not even get close to authentically representing historical magic. But that is okay, they are not trying to, and they shouldn't have to. The purpose of science fiction is not to lecture the viewer on authentic science, it's to tell a fun story.

If you are curious, I have played exactly one game that I feel authentically represented real world occult history, and my job as a researcher: Cultist Simulator. That game is written by someone with a fairly serious knowledge of occult history and magical philosophy. Many figures are one-to-one parallels for actual historical occultists. That mfer has a fantasy version of Flavius Fucking Mithridates. That's a DEEP cut.

[medievalandfantasymelee]

COME ONE, COME ALL to the MOSTE ILLUSTRIOUS TOURNAMENT of the FINEST, the MOSTE PUISSANT and HOTTEST MEN MEDIEVAL MEDIA HAS TO ITS CREDIT.

Be it known that we shall accept submissions of the hottest men OF THE PEOPLES’ CHOOSING from any live-action* TV or movie media property set between the years AD 500 – 1550 (Tudors WELCOME!!), and any fantasy properties which emulate said period!

KNOW ALSO that we, by the grace of this fine hellsite and with the counsel of the moste honorable and illustrious @hotvintagepoll (many thanks), have made

THESE GUIDELINES here given:

ANY HOT GUY who appears in any movie or TV show released in ANY YEAR, from ANY COUNTRY, shall be deemed eligible for entry. Below are listed examples of eligible properties. If YE BE NOT CERTAIN whether your hot guy is eligible, submit him anyway!

Examples of Eligible Properties: The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (2001-03), Game of Thrones (2011-19) House of the Dragon (2022), Wolf Hall (2015-2024), The Tudors (2007-2010), Ladyhawke (1985), The Princess Bride (1987), The White Queen (2013), Rise of Empires: Ottoman (2020-2022), Vikings (2013-2020), The Last Kingdom (2015-2022), Diriliş: Ertuğrul (2014), A Knight’s Tale (2001), BBC’s Robin Hood (2006-3009), The Last Duel (2021), The Story of Minglan (2018), The Borgias (2013), Robin Hood (1939), Outlaw King (2018), Pilgrimage (2017), Legend (1985), Braveheart (1995), The Green Knight (2021), Excalibur (1981), Beowulf & Grendel (2005), The Lion in Winter (1968), Robin Hood: Men in Tights (1993), The Black Adder (Blackadder Series 1, 1982), Rashomon (1950)

Remember: This is just a list of examples—WOW ME!

These following titles are examples of properties that do not fall within or emulate the stated time period and therefore DO NOT QUALIFY: The Three Musketeers (Any Version), Pirates of the Caribbean (2004), Barbarians (2020), Gladiator (2000), Ben Hur (1959), Shogun (2024), Elizabeth (1999), 300 (2006), Troy (2004), Xena: Warrior Princess (1995-2001), Disney's Robin Hood (1973)**, Yojimbo (1961), Shakespeare in Love (1998), King Arthur (2004)***

For the purposes of this tournament, "Man" and "Guy" are defined as any bi-pedal humanoid male character played by a man. As such, characters belonging to non-human races such as Hobbits, Orcs, Elves, Demons, Fauns, Werewolves etc. ARE admissible, and, indeed, encouraged.

If you have propaganda you forgot to include in your submission, just hold onto it and send it in an ask after the Tournament begins.

You may submit as many hot men as you like but please submit only ONE ENTRANT per submission.

Do not hesitate to submit ANY hot guy you think may qualify, no matter how popular he is. There is no such thing as a shoo-in with these tournaments. If you think "Someone MUST have submitted him already!" Everyone else is probably thinking that too and then he may well NEVER get submitted and we don't want that.

Do not worry about how many submissions your hot guy might have had already--I need to get a sense of who the strongest contenders are in order to fairly seed the draws, and the best way to do that is volume of submissions.

We are voting on the hotness of the characters. While the actors who portray them are of course a major factor in this, we are not voting on the actors themselves, therefore propaganda pertaining to the actors real lives (aside from anecdotes relating to their portrayal of the character) is not admissible.

By that same token, in the case of historical figures (e.g. Henry VIII) we are judging hotness based on the fictionalized portrayals of them in these properties, not on historical fact.

Regarding immortal/time-travelling/dimension-hopping/extremely long-lived characters, regardless of when the character was born, the main action**** of the story must take place within the Medieval Period (see dates listed at the top of this post) or Medieval-esque fantasy fantasy realm in order for them to be eligible for submission. As such, characters like the Pevensie brothers (The Chronicles of Narnia) and Ash Williams (Army of Darkness) are admissible, but Asgardians (the MCU Thor films) are not.

I, as the Administrator and Master of Revels of this tournament, am exercising discretion in the admittance of characters from works by Shakespeare, since many of them have no set date.

SUBMISSIONS SHALL REMAIN OPEN FOR ONE MONTH FROM THIS DATE (27 May, 2024)

The Tourney shall begin at a date yet to be determined with the Melee (Qualifying Rounds), wherein the entrants with the fewest submissions and least propaganda will duke it out in a free for all brawl to determine who will enter the Lists.

SUBMIT YOUR ENTRANTS HERE TODAY!!!

-- Master of Revels

*The "live-action" qualification does have a caveat: exception may be made for those CGI films which were all the rage in the mid-00's that used the motion-capture and likeness of the actors; for example characters from, Robert Zemeckis's Beowulf (2007) are admissible.

** this one doesn't qualify, not because it isn't the right time period, but because it falls solidly under the "Animated" category.

***Yes, sadly we are deprived of the beautiful countenances of Clive Owen, Mads Mikkelsen, Ioan Gruffudd et al because the producers of this film in their infinite wisdom and in an attempt to seem "more historically accurate" chose to set it during the Roman withdrawal from Britain, which occurred in the 5th Century (About a CENTURY earlier than Authurian tradition) and is generally agreed to have ended by AD 410. It therefore does not fall under the Medieval umbrella and is not eligible for submission.

**** "Main Action" here defined as "More than half an hour of a movie and more than two episodes of a series"

#medieval fantasy #asoif/got #lord of the rings #a knight's tale #the last kingdom #vikings #the princess bride #house of the dragon #medieval films #tumblr polls #fantasyandmedievalmelee #tournament poll #game of thrones #got

[controversial-blorbo-bracket]

*Submissions are closed, here is where you can find the lists of all characters who made it in*

I now have a ko-fi

I love the idea of polls for characters that wouldn’t win otherwise because they’re too obscure, so I want to know what character people have the most strong opinions about, specifically who can split a room between negative or positive opinions the best.

For example: i haven’t heavily interacted with fandom since steven universe days so I’ll use Rose Quartz as an example. People either think she’s a soft uwu mom victim of the diamonds or an evil irredeemable space despot. I have never met a steven universe fan with a neutral opinion about her.

So that’s how your blorbo can win this poll: by being divisive. They don’t have to be popular or from a popular media, they just need the people who know them to have a strong opinion about them. In this poll, the character with the MOST EVEN balance of votes wins. I’ll post an example poll to show what I mean, but basically you’re encouraged to submit a blorbo if you love them or hate them! Either one helps them in this poll!

Here is where you can find the list of all characters with 2 or more submissions who made it in! Those with one submission who made it in will be added to this list in phases so I can check them.

Form has been removed from under the cut due to being closed but the rules remain up for reference:

- fictional characters only, no real people or characters based on real people, such as a minecraft youtuber’s self-named oc, or fictionalized versions of historical figures (ie no hamilton characters, but clone high or fate is fine)

- as stated above, only submit each character once, although you can submit as many DIFFERENT characters as you want. Sending this post to friends who hate your fave or vice versa is also fair game, as long as they only submit their true opinions!

- Although to add to the hopeful anti-bullying safeguard, and to publicly answer a question I was asked privately, you can also submit characters who are ocs from smaller or fan works, but only if you get explicit permission from the creator. I don’t want to make any smaller creators feel uncomfortable about their character being widely hated even if they are also widely loved

- you can love or hate the character for any reason as long as you have strong feelings about them! They’ll have a better chance of making it in and winning if they are a controversial character, but you don’t necessarily have to submit only characters you know are controversial. I’m also allowing particularly good reasoning/propaganda to sway me, although I’m planning to probably include 512 characters so that as many as possible can get in!

Inspired by @who-do-i-know-this-man @obscurewebcomictournament @obscurecharactershowdown @bestfictionaldivorce and others!

#rules info #bracket #contest #competition #blorbo #not a poll

[cantheykillmacbeth]

Could Macbeth kill Macbeth?

To specify, and partly because I assume you've dealt with the most basic version of that question, here's some specific permutations of that question.

Could time-traveling future Macbeth kill his old version or vice versa? Could a clone of Macbeth who's realized she's trans kill Macbeth? Could Macbeth kill himself after his parents realize they're both non-binary? Could the historical figure Macbeth kill his fictional counterpart or vice versa?

(cracks my knuckles and leans forward in my chair)

Macbeth from the Future: No. Both are man of woman born and both have the prophecy. Neither would be able to kill the other.

Trans Woman Clone of Macbeth: Yes. GC and UBC. Potentially BPC as well depending on who made the clone. If the prophecy applies to her, Macbeth would not be able to retaliate.

Suicide w/ NB Parents: Yes. Macbeth himself would then apply for BPC.

Historical Macbeth: No. H!Macbeth is a man of woman born (presumably; not much is known about the real person). H!Macbeth also does not have the prophecy, meaning F!Macbeth could retaliate and kill him.

Some more you didn't specifically ask about but would probably get brought up otherwise:

Suicide: No. Macbeth is a man of woman born. Also, Shakespeare would 100% do a scene where Macbeth has reached a breaking point and tries to end it all but finds that he physically can't.

Copy of the Script and Stage Directions for the Play Macbeth: Yes. An inanimate object and therefore genderless, also the play was originally written (not born) by William Shakespeare, a man. GC, UBC, BPC. That is, unless it is being used as a murder weapon, in which case we would analyze who set it into motion instead of the script itself.

Alternate Universe Macbeth: As long as this Macbeth is still a man of woman born, then no. Also, as long as the prophecy isn't different between the two, neither would be able to kill the other.

Specifically from a Universe where everything is the same except "No Man of Woman Born" is a name and "Macbeth" is a term meaning anybody but a man of woman born: Yes. NoManofWomanBorn would count as a Unique Exception for Macbeth, while Macbeth would also count as a Unique Exception for NoManofWomanBorn, meaning they would be able to kill each other despite both of them being man of woman born.

Suicide after legally changing his name to No Man of Woman Born: Yes. He would then be a Unique Exception for himself.

If there's anything else obvious I missed you can let me know with the specific scenario you have in mind via either the ask box (it'll take a while for me to get to it) or putting it in a reblog of this post (it'll probably be way faster this way).

Thank you for your submission!

#asks #unconventional birth clause #gender clause #birth parent clause #debatable character #unique exception #macbeth #william shakespere

[hadesoftheladies]

FEMALE MOVIE/TV RECS (PART 2 / HISTORICAL FICTION/NON-FICTION)

got inspired from a recommendation post so decided to make a list of movies and shows with female-centric stories/female protagonists. since i can't post all of the genres in one post, i'll split it into multiple posts and y'all can save or add to the list as you wish. (disclaimer: i have watched most of these, but i only know about the existence of others. not every movie/show on these lists will be my recommendation. my recommendations will be beneath the list with reasons. also some of these are way better than others in terms of storytelling/performance--which is why i'll list my faves separately):

Common Themes of Media in the List:

-Workplace/general sexist discrimination

-Husband being pieces of shit and whiners

-Strong emphasis on sisterhood

-Romance plays a large part (both hetero and homo)

-Female genius and triumph

-Scheming mothers (always scheming)

-Grief, loss, and growth

-Motherhood is difficult but we pull through TM

HAVEN'T WATCHED:

Mozart's Sister

Lessons in Chemistry

The Conductor

Lizzie

Radioactive

Cable Girls

The Great

The Queen's Gambit

Britannia

Harriet

Mary Queen of Scots

ONES I LOVEDDDD:

A League of Their Own (9/10) (a favorite!)

Hidden Figures (8/10)

The Woman King (8/10) (a favorite!)

Anne With An E (9/10) (a favorite!)

Dickinson (8.5/10)

The Marvellous Mrs. Maisel (9/10) (a favorite!)

Gentleman Jack (8/10)

The Gilded Age (7.5/10)

HONORABLE (NON-LISTED MENTIONS)

The English (an english woman teams up with a native american cowboy to take revenge on the men who hurt them)

The World to Come (two women isolated by the wilderness and their husbands fall in love)

The Pursuit of Love

Colette

PERSONAL NOTES:

The Buccaneers is pretty feminist and wholesome, although oftentimes childish and full of Netflix cliches (even though it's an Apple TV original). It tries very hard to be Dickinson and Little Women but is a far cry away from Dickinson's edge and fierceness and Little Women's maturity and realism. It's more interested in appealing to Bridgerton audiences and its worse for it. But it's still full of the nice stuff, like strong female friendships and sisterhoods. Ooh, and lesbians! It's adamantly female-centric.

As for Little Women, I prefer the 90s version with Winona Ryder, but Greta did more justice to the source material than Louisa May Alcott herself in the new version.

The Book Thief and The World to Come are also tragedies, so you know. Ammonite, Portrait of a Lady on Fire, Summerland and The Favourite are lesbians and bisexuals in their full glory, although all of them have vastly different tones (The Favourite is a dark comedy, I believe).

Speaking of The Favourite, Mary & George is like that but it's men vying for the affections of the king. Don't get it twisted though, Mary, George's mom, is the protagonist and primary mover of the show. It starts and ends with her. Also, more lesbianism! (I don't get tired of pointing that out.)

Belle is one of the few autobiographical historical fictions of a black woman. My dad and I love it. It, however, does not surpass The Woman King. The Woman King is like . . . one of the best historical movies on African women I've ever watched! Or just in general! It gives so much agency to African people in the colonial age and tells the story with nuance and perspective--it is a decolonized view on the slave trade that places West African people at the center. It's pretty intense and gory, though. Like it's dark, but like the performances are insanely good, and so is the story. Real life Wakanda and all that!

#radblr #feminism #female centric stories #female stories #historical fiction #female historical fiction #entertainment #women in entertainment #hadesoftheladies rec list