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pyxaperson · 2 months

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I am procrastinating on my uni assignments so here’s the 2012!TMNT main cast ranked on who would be homophobic/transphobic

1 being the most and 6 being the least

this is my opinion and my interpretation. i will fight people for one of these rankings if they disagree with me

6 - April

You cannot convince me she isn’t a 2012 Tumblr girl like… look at her. She spent most of her teenage years debating with homophobes on the internet. She would 100% watch supernatural and 100% ship Castiel.

"Would she fetishise mlm relationships?" NO. She would also watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer and ship Fuffy. She reads yaoi AND yuri in her spare time.

If she swoons over a mutant and an alien getting together, she will 100% do the same for a gay couple.

Probably taught the others not to be homophobic (mostly the top 3).

If you believe she hates the LGBT+ community, I am sorry but you are objectively wrong I will be hunting you for sport right now. I am outside your house with the episode "Karai's Vendetta" playing loudly on my laptop.

5 - Donnie

“Erm actually, homosexual behaviour has been heavily documented in animals such as penguins, bats and hyenas. It’s very much natural.“

While I cannot imagine him ever being homophobic, I can imagine him being transphobic when he was younger.

BUT I only think that because the primary school biology textbook was his bible when he was five.

As soon as he had access to a more “advanced” biology book, he learnt his mistakes.

Had a deep understanding of gender before his brother understood the differences between them as a result of this.

4 - Mikey

Thinks LGBT+ people are awesome, however his only exposure to gay people is rupaul drag race so his views on them are stereotypical.

He would probably be taken aback if you introduced him to a gay man who isn’t flamboyant, but he would adjust after a bit.

He would definitely say “You don’t look gay” though.

Aside from April, he would be the most angry when hearing homophobic/transphobic comments.

3 - Leo

The middle point between homophobic and not homophobic for the group (even though she's seconds lmao, the group is just not really homophobic).

I headcanon her as a trans lesbian so any homophobic/transphobic thoughts she would have are a mixture of her sheltered life and internalised issues.

Nothing extreme though, but her mind would get hung up on two girls holding hands on the street for multiple days.

She would also go through the 5 stages of grief for every unprompted homophobic thought she gets.

Everyone helps her overcome this, especially after she discovers herself and comes out.

2 - Raph

I am sorry, but he would probably use homophobic language before meeting April.

However, that’s due to him not understanding what he was saying. He probably thought gay was a synonym for stupid.

Once he understands who LGBT+ people are and what they face (AKA being scolded by April), he would probably feel really bad about it.

He wouldn’t really apologise for it verbally, but he would 100% kill a homophobe after that so everyone understands he’s changed.

Mikey would then make fun of him for being homophobic which would get him really mad. It's revenge for Raph calling him gay to insult him and brushing his genuine anger off.

“At least I’m not-“ “I’M NOT HOMOPHOBIC MIKEY!”

1 - Casey

I am not sorry, this dude was definitely homophobic before meeting the Turtles + April. Like, actually homophobic.

His dad is homophobic so it comes from that.

He called Donnie the f-slur behind his back to the rest of the group. To put it lightly, they were not impressed.

The first moment where he questions his behaviour is when April rips him to shreds over it, but it’s not until Raph pulls him aside to express disappointment that he realises how bad his behaviour is.

Probably goes MIA for a couple of days undergoing serious reflection on his life and beliefs. He then comes back to apologise for his behaviour.

He takes some time to truly overcome his bigotry, but he gets there eventually. Like Raph, he'll kill a homophobe after the ordeal.

#tmnt 2012 #tmnt #teenage mutant ninja turtles #2012 leo #2012 donnie #2012 raph #2012 mikey #2012 april #2012 casey #please don't take this too seriously this is just for fun #i had this ranking brewing in my brain for months #thats why i had deep reasonings for this joke idea

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itsclydebitches · 3 years

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(WLW anon) I really don’t like the “bad rep is better then none at all”. I hate that. We should want good rep, because bad rep has been used time and time again by homophobes as to say we shouldn’t get representation. To me it’s not “gay can have the same flaws as het”, it’s “fix the flaws in the het”. Also I know Renora being independent was a good, I was just saying in comparison BB. Also, yes, they were separated, but also didn’t stop thinking about each other. Especially bad with Yang.

Indulge me for a moment because I want to take a trip down memory lane and list some—just some—of the queer rep that has been important to me over the years:

Ellen comes out both as herself and as her character… years later, she’s a hated millionaire who is criticized for how she treats her staff

The wildly influential Buffy gives us two women entering a loving relationship… except then Tara is killed off, Willow goes evil for a time, and Buffy comes under fire for Joss Whedon’s everything

The beloved and respectable headmaster of one of the most popular book series ever published is revealed to be gay… except it doesn’t count because it wasn’t in the text and now all of Harry Potter is cancelled because JKR is transphobic

Kurt is an unambiguously gay teen in a hugely popular TV series, acting as one of the first overt representations a generation has seen… except he’s way too stereotypical and Glee is a joke now

Orange is the New Black gives us a number of queer women, including one of our first trans characters… but isn’t it problematic that they’re all criminals?

Brooklyn Nine-Nine hosts an out gay captain and gives us a bisexual coming out story that resonated with many, myself included… except now we’re supposed to hate all the characters on principle because they’re cops

Korra and Asami walk off into the spiritual sunset together… but they never kiss or anything, so that doesn’t count either

Steven Universe gives us a queer relationship and a wedding… but it’s an issue that this is just a kid’s show and, really, does it count when the rep is embodied by space rocks whose entire species only creates a single gender? Feels like a cop-out

Same with Good Omens. Yeah, Crowley and Aziraphale clearly love each other… but you never see them kiss or declare their intentions. It’s great ace rep though! Unless you want to level the criticism that asexual characters are always nonhuman

A character intended to be a minor guest becomes a show staple and eventually declares his love for one of the two main characters… except then Castiel immediately dies, Dean doesn’t respond, and they never meet on screen again

I finished Queen’s Gambit the other day and the main character had a one-night stand with a woman! … but everyone is talking about how bisexuality is used to represent her lowest point, so that’s bad too

I could go on for literal pages. Some of these arguments I agree with (Dumbledore), others I’ve pushed back against quite strongly (Crowley and Aziraphale), but all of them are valid criticisms depending on what part of the queer community you’re in and what your expectations are. My point here is that it’s all “bad rep.” I mean that seriously. If anyone reading this is scrambling for the comment section to say why [insert media title here] is actually fantastic rep, I guarantee that someone disagrees. Or if they don’t, give it some time. Just wait until the characterization becomes offensively outdated, or another part of the story ruins the relationship, or it comes out that the author did something truly horrific, or the terminology changes and it’s labeled as “problematic” now… just wait. At some point, any rep we feel is good rep now will be criticized, cancelled, and dragged through the mud. The rep that I personally haven’t seen much push-back against—like the beloved Captain Jack Harkness in Doctor Who, or Schitts Creek that just won a ton of awards—is wrapped up in the criticism, “So it’s all just about able-bodied, cis, (mostly) white dudes, huh? :/” Even the argument that queer characters need to be written by queer authors doesn’t hold up. I absolutely adored Sense8. “Wow, a gay main character in a loving relationship with another gay man, both of whom enter a loving poly relationship with a woman, another lesbian trans main character who marries the love of her life on screen, an entire cast arguably queer due to them sharing orgy scenes centered around the emotional intimacy they share, everyone survives, and this was written by two trans women! Great, right?” Well, not according to the wealth of opinions explaining how Sense8 is horrible rep, actually. Every piece of rep we’ve got is either currently flawed or will become flawed in the future.

So what do we do with that?

That’s where my “I’d rather have bad rep than no rep at all” comes in. For me, that’s not waving the white flag. That’s not an oath that I won’t expect better rep in the future (I do) or that I won’t criticize the rep we get (BOY DO I), but rather just an acknowledgement of reality. The vast majority—if not the entirety—of rep is “bad rep” in one way or another, but I’d still rather have it than nothing at all. Because I’ve lived just long enough and studied media just enough to know what nothing looked like. It was watching all queer characters meet untimely deaths. Before that it was watching queer characters be derided and treated as jokes. Before that it was nothing but coding, where queer characters didn’t exist except in our own headcanons and interpretations. Obviously “bad rep” covers a very large range of issues and “They haven’t even confirmed this relationship yet” is a bigger issue than “This queer character embodies one or two, mild stereotypes,” but ultimately I’d take any of it over nothing at all. And enjoying what we’ve currently got doesn’t mean I’m willing to settle for it indefinitely.

To use an iffy analogy, imagine there’s a factory. This factory makes plates. So. Many. Plates. Big plates, small plates, plain plates, decorative plates, plates for every possible occasion in your life—and everyone with a steak for dinner is pleased as punch. You though? You’ve got soup. You need a bowl. Your entire life you’ve been struggling to eat your soup off a plate (it doesn’t work) and listening to friends and family claim that the plate with a slightly raised edge could be a bowl if you squint (it’s not). To say it’s frustrating is an understatement.

But then, one day, the factory starts producing bowls too. Hurray! Except as soon as you get your hands on one, you’re told you really shouldn’t be using it, let alone praising it. Look at the state of that bowl! It’s cracked right down the middle, ugly as hell, shoddily made all around… you’re not really going to settle for that, are you? And no, you obviously still want the factory to produce better bowls, but at the same time, this is a bowl. You’ve never gotten one before and you can finally enjoy your meal, even if the soup leaks at times. Sometimes a lot. But you’re still feeling better about your meal than you ever have before. And what you then begin to realize is that lots of the plates are a mess too. They also have cracks, they’re also ugly, many are also shoddily made. The difference is that the factory is producing so many plates at such a rapid pace that every steak eater is able to get by. One plate breaks completely? You’ve got a thousand fallbacks. Don’t like the look of this one? A thousand other options. You disagree about what “shoddily made” means? Luckily there are enough plates that everyone can find what they prefer! But the bowls… there’s only a few. Some are really expensive. Others are only available for a limited time before they suddenly disappear. Your bowl breaks and you have to wait months, years sometimes, to get another one. You’re constantly told to go buy this one obscure bowl no one else has heard about and yeah, you like it... but you’d also like to buy one of the bowls everyone is already enjoying. You find yourself looking at the plates and thinking, “I’d like that. I’d like to have so many options that the flaws, while still a problem, are much more bearable.” You’re still going to demand that the factory get its shit together, you’re still going to (rightly) complain about the awful quality of your bowl… but it’s still nice to have a bowl, period. There are still things you like about it, even if it’s a mess: the color, the size, the beauty of the shape of it. Its potential. You’re still pleased you have something to enjoy and that helps serve the need you’re looking to fill, even if that something is imperfect.

That’s “bad rep is better than no rep.” To bring this very long response back to Blake/Yang, I don’t think their problems negate their benefits. Is their relationship currently non-canonical and filled with a number of writing issues everyone has a right to be angry about? Yup. I express that anger a great deal. Are they still half of a team on a very popular show that is (presumably) set to be canonized as queer? Yup. I’d much rather live in a world where big shows like RWBY try to include queer rep and fail in a multitude of ways—with the expectation and hope that they’ll continue to improve—rather than in a world where authors a) don’t care or b) are too scared to try. Because that’s where a “good rep or no rep” stance leads. The danger isn’t homophobes because they’re, well, homophobes. It doesn’t matter if the rep is good or not, they hate it on principle. But if queer authors writing for other queer identities, or allies writing queer identities, or even queer authors writing their own experiences (like in Sense8) continually come under non-stop fire for their attempts… there’s a good chance that many people won’t ever try. We’re already seeing that here on tumblr with young authors admitting that they wouldn’t touch [insert topic here] with a ten-foot pole because just look at what happens when you get it wrong. And authors will get things wrong because authors are fallible people forever unlearning their own ignorance. So though it might sound strange coming from a blog that has turned into such a RWBY critical space, I am glad that RWBY’s queer rep exists, despite all the frustrations that I share about it. I think a RWBY with various types of “bad” queer rep is better than a RWBY with no queer rep at all, particularly when “bad” or “good” is so intensely subjective. There’s a middle ground between passively accepting whatever we’re given, and tearing into rep with such ferocity that we end up rejecting it all. There’s a space where we can be critical of rep and embrace the parts that work for us, simultaneously.

I hope and expect the het rep will get better too, but… that’s never going to happen instantly. To quote RWBY, there’s no magic wand we can wave to fix all our problems. Rather, it will take slow, plodding, meandering, lifetimes’ worth of work to see that change occur and I personally don’t want to spend the one life I have waiting for that perfect rep to show up. Because it’s unlikely that it will. While we work, I’d rather find the good in what rep we’ve already got.

#rwby #queer #mymetas #Anonymous

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mylo-nelyself · 5 years

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All Tyrus quotes/scenes so far

There’s a Mack in the shack (s.2 ep.8)

“Well, I can do it, but teach a man to fish? Walk to the muffin like you already own it.”

“He can’t do that”

“Hey, don’t tell him what he can’t do”

“Hey… he’s with me”

Miniature Gulf (s.2 ep.11)

“Chocolate chocolate chip muffin, right?”

“Scary basketball guy”

“Actually TJ”

“I know”

“So, do you hang out here a lot”

“You don’t know me. I got stuff”

“Underdog!”

“Thanks for reminding me about swinging. That helped.”

We Were Never (s.2 ep.12)

“Hey, not-so-scary basketball guy!”

“Hey, underdog!”

A Walker to Remember (s.2 ep.17)

“We can also use these [megaphones] to yell at TJ”

“Why would we want to do that”

“Are they friends”

“I’m not here as a punching bag. I’m here to see if you’re okay.”

“What I need is a different brain”

“There is nothing wrong with you”

“She may have been right, but you’re the one who really helped me”

Crime Scene: AndiShack! (s.2 ep.18)

“[referring to swing set scene 1.0] that was the first time we ever really talked”

“He was the last person I ever thought you’d be friends with.”

“I know. Weird, right? But you know what’s weirder? He wants to be friends with me. Who knows why?”

“I know why.”

Buffy in a Bottle (s.2 ep.21)

“[to Buffy’s time capsule] Buffy I know I should've done this to you in person, but I was a jerk, like big-time. And I'm sorry. You didn't deserve that.”

“So you let me sit down, but you won’t even talk to me?”

“I’m sorry, it’s private. I’m having a physical issue.”

“I can’t do a somersault, okay? In fact, there’s a whole list of easy things that I can’t do.”

“Listen, underdog, if you can’t do a somersault, I can help you with that.”

“I should probably head out too. I have to go to work. You wanna come with me?”

“Yes! Please!”

“You work at a gym? You should’ve told me. I hate gyms.”

“You’ll like this one. This is where you’re going to learn to do a somersault.”

“Says the athlete with boundless confidence. You don’t know what it’s like to be a kugel of a man.”

“When we start to recognize. We start to realize – We can do anything”

The Cake That Takes the Cake (s.2 ep.25)

“You should’ve seen him. It was so cute.”

“He was like a little puppy”

“I could forgive you. I think I already have. I just don’t know if we could ever be friends.”

“What if he apologized?”

“It would have to be like the best apology ever.”

“I mean, give it a shot.”

“If you’re looking for a captain, her name is Buffy Driscoll going to start a girls team and make that ish official steal your ball so fast, that you'll want to bring police in tell them it got taken like she’s Liam Neeson the slickest, sickest, quickest, the most wicked in the world used to hate her, instigate her told her, “good job for a girl” I didn’t want to hear it but she taught me all the same if you want to change the world and you got to change the game.”

“Was that the best apology ever?”

“I think maybe it was”

“I am so confused right now.”

“You think you are confused? Take a walk through my head.”

“You think you know someone. Until you find out that you don’t.”

Hole in the Wall (s.3 ep.4)

“And now he owes me a muffin of my choice”

“Blueberry macadamia”

“There’s no such muffin”

“Then, I guess you have your work cut out for you.”

Cookie Monster (s.3 ep.6)

“Cyrus!”

“Hey! What’s up?”

“What are you doing Saturday?”

“Saturday. Saturday, well, my popular kids club meetings are on Friday, so, uh, yeah. I’m free on Saturday.”

“Wanna hangout”

“With you?”

“And my friends”

“Do they even know I exist?”

“Yeah, they know. I talk about you”

“Behind my back?”

“Well you’re not there, so, yeah. Are you mad?”

“Are you kidding? I’m flattered! I didn’t think anybody talked about me behind my back.”

“TJ was right you are funny”

“All right, lets go, Cyrus. Woo! You got this!”

“I got a great shot of you”

“You know what’s in the bag”

“Yeah.”

“I’m gonna go. Okay. I think you should too. TJ”

“You’re doing the right thing”

“That’s what my parents said, but I think TJ would disagree. He’s gonna hate me”

The New Girl (s.3 ep.7)

“He really wants to talk shouldn’t I at least hear him out”

“He obviously feels bad. He keeps calling.”

“TJ’s not sitting with his friends”

“Wonder why”

“I’m just gonna do a quick walk-by, make sure he’s okay”

“Is this swing taken”

“How’d you know I’d be here?”

“I’ve been stopping by. Seeing if I could get you without your body guards”

“I’m not supposed to hang out with you. I should go”

“No stay. I’ll go. Can I at least say I’m sorry first? I didn’t know Reed was going to bring a gun. I wouldn’t have gone and I definitely wouldn’t have brought you. Now you hate me. Classic TJ. Anything good, I got a ruin it.”

“TJ you said you were going to apologize”

“I just did”

“Actually you didn’t”

“Yes I did. I said I was huh. You’re right. Well, sorry for not saying sorry.”

“So, you’ve apologized for not apologizing but you still haven’t apologized”

“You can be a little annoying, you know that?”

“Well, you can be oblivious.”

“Well you can be very judgy.”

“Well, you can be intimidating”

“You know what else you are?”

“What?”

“The only person I can talk to like this. Okay if I stay?”

“I just want you to know it wasn’t me who told the police about the gun. I would’ve but they already knew.”

“Yeah. I told them. Surprise! I did the right thing.”

I Got Your Number (s.3 ep.8)

“Hey, niceburg!”

“Eh, it’s just his face. He’s not so mean anymore.”

“Everyone’s got something they got to deal with.”

“Fear of flamingos both real and plastic”

One in a Minyan (s.3 ep.11)

“Oh, I’m Andi Cyrus’ friend.”

“Girlfriend?”

“Oh, no, just friend.”

“Oy, vey iz mir. Why can’t that boy get a girlfriend already?”

“She didn’t know everything. I wish I told her when I had the chance. I was too afraid.”

“It is your choice who you tell and when, but you shouldn’t be afraid to do it. You underestimate how much people care about you, Cyrus.”

“You two made it, but how do I tell Jonah?”

“You just tell him. Anytime you want.”

“Okay, well,that of course is aunt Ruthie’s kugel. Uh, that’s you classic bagel and lox. That’s gefilte fish. Skip that. And I’m gay.”

“Yeah? Okay cool.”

“Okay. Cool”

“Is that TJ? You came”

“Of course I came and I brought chhhhhhallah”

“You shouldn’t chave”

#andi mack #tyrus #tj kippen #cyrus goodman #cyrus #tj #am #tyrus quotes #tyrus is endgame #cyrus gayman

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comradesummers · 5 years

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3, 17, 27?

Hi, thank you for asking!

Top 5 underrated TV shows

Idk what really qualifies as underrated, but I’ll try my best.

1. Legends of Tomorrow

Like, outside of the cult following, people don’t give it credit for being one of the most creative and batshit crazy shows on TV. I think what really gets missed in the conversation about Legends, even when the show is brought up, is that it’s not just a weird, kooky show. I genuinely believe LoT is doing something that no other show on TV is doing rn. Like it may be silly, and not take itself too seriously, but it’s actually super creative, it tries new things, it takes risks that shows that take themselves more seriously don’t have the luxury of taking. It’s out there doing something genuinely different from the regular serialized drama format that’s overtaking television, and that’s unique and important and we should appreciate it more.

2. Every show for or about women that’s ever been referred to as a “guilty pleasure” by men, including but not limited to: BtVS, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Jane the Virgin, Sex and the City (I haven’t even seen it, but I know that it changed television as we know it, and men still dismiss it as meaningless fluff), Gilmore Girls, and too many other shows to list here. All of them are underrated by assholes who think they’re too good for girl things.

3. Blackadder

Y’know, the concept of something being underrated is super weird, because like the question becomes: underrated by who? I mean, if you’re in the know about British comedies or whatever, then of course you know that Blackadder is one of the funniest and most innovative shows ever. But with everyone else I’ve talked to in real life, I’ve had to explain that Mr. Bean and Dr. House dress up in period costumes, and hang out with different important historical figures in British history, and it’s really funny and great (except for maybe the first season).

4. Don’t Trust the B in Apartment 23

And then on the other hand, I’m pretty sure a lot of people on Tumblr know what this show is, and know it’s hilarious, but I would still probably consider it underrated and pretty unknown outside of certain circles.

5. Sense8

Again, I’m not sure it’s underrated on Tumblr but more people need to see it, so I’m counting it. I like Sense8 for the same reason I like Legends: it took risks, and did things other shows weren’t doing, albeit on a much larger and more unruly budget, which is probably why it got cancelled. But it really was a great, if short lived show, and I wish it had gone on for longer.

Top 5 “deserved better” characters

1. Kendra Young

Yeah, so I think there are two reasons that Kendra’s death makes me so angry. The first being just how much potential was wasted with her death. Yeah, they made her do a goofy accent, but she was still a really interesting character. Her worldview was completely entrenched in that of the Council. She was raised by them, and had never rebelled like Giles had. She would have made an amazing contrast to Buffy and the gang, but I also think there’s a really great story there about her coming to terms with just how exploited by those assholes she had been. Also, her dynamic with Buffy was already fascinating, and I think they had really good chemistry (I ship it).

The other reason her death makes me so angry is that she is the most obvious example of the horrendous treatment of people of color on BtVS. It really is unacceptable how white that show is, and once the writers finally did create an interesting and powerful (if admittedly pretty stereotypical) woman of color, they killed her off after three episodes. Kendra deserved better just like every other non-white character on BtVS deserved better.

2. Meg Manning and Paker Lee

(Yeah, I’m cheating, it’s a tie.) So one of the main issues that I have with Veronica Mars is that there just aren’t that many women on the show. With the exception of Veronica herself, most of the main characters are men, and most of Veronica’s important relationships, be they romantic, familial, or platonic, are with men.

The female characters we do have either have very little screentime, in spite of their considerable awesomeness (Mac and Jackie). Or, in the case of Meg and Parker, are used and disposed of according to the needs of the plot, often to create drama in Veronica’s love life. Meg surviving the bus crash, only to be killed off once she’d given birth, basically because she was no longer relevant to the Duncan/Veronica story is super icky and gross. And Parker getting dismissed as nothing more than road bump in LoVe’s story by both the show and the fandom drives me a little crazy, especially considering how she was introduced to the show.

Also, while we’re at it, every single ‘feminist’ character in season 3 deserved better from Rob Thomas.

3. Tara Maclay

She deserved to live, and we the viewers deserved better than Bury Your Gays.

4. Martha Jones

I mean, Martha Jones deserved better from the fandom more than anything else. And I’m adding her to the list because I’m one of the many people who owes Martha and Freema Agyeman an apology. I was like 12 when I watched Doctor Who for the first time, and I totally bought into the racist sexist bullshit (she’s boring, why is she in love with the Doctor, etc.). To be fair, I also bought into a lot of sexist bullshit when it came to Rose, so I hated her too, but obviously Martha got the shorter end of the stick, because of racism, and she deserved so, so much better.

5. Donna Noble

Fuck the amnesia bullshit and erasing her character development. Why did they have to do this to her? What possible purpose did it serve? Why not just give her a reason to leave and go home like every other companion? Wtf was the point? Was it just so that the doctor would have manpain about it?

Nevermind, I think I just answered my own question.

Top 5 brotps

Ok, not including any relationships I view as purely familial (Dawn and Buffy, Giles and Buffy, Tara and Dawn, Holt and anybody, etc.). Friendships only.

1. Buffy and Willow

Buffy and Willow love each other so much, and they hurt each other a lot too. This relationship isn’t simple and sweet, it starts out that way, but it becomes difficult, and they both do things to one another that I don’t think either one of them ever fully forgives the other for. But even still, at their worst, they love each other so deeply and so completely. This relationship is at the core of the show, I think. It’s arguably the first relationship the show establishes, and the one it spends most time on. The ups and downs are painful, but they feel real (even when they involve things like bringing someone back from the dead without their consent or whatever). And through it all, they never stop loving each other. As flawed as it may be, I think it’s also one of the most complex, interesting, and important relationships between two women ever on television. And that’s worth celebrating.

2. Jane and Petra

So I’ve been on a bit of a Jane the Virgin kick lately, and I’ll be honest, I can’t decide if this is a brotp or an otp. But I love Petramos too, so let’s go with brotp.

In any case, these two were pretty much my endgame for the show. I really didn’t care who Jane ended up with (unless it was Petra, but I knew that wasn’t going to happen), and I got sick of her love triangle real quick (to be fair, I just really can’t stand love triangles, which is why I didn’t give the show a shot for a long time). As for Petra, I just really wanted her to have a healthy relationship with someone, and Jane seemed to be the only person who seemed interested in having a healthy relationship with her.

Plus their dynamic is just amazing and hilarious. My favorite scenes in the show are always when they’re on screen together. The way they grudgingly grow to care about and love each other is genuinely sweet and well developed. And I love how even when they do become friends, their basic moral divide never changes. They still disagree very strongly about certain things, but they love each other regardless. And btw, the scene where they say “I love you” to each other for the first time might be my favorite “I love you” scene ever, platonic or otherwise.

I just love them so much.

3. Gurl Group (Crazy Ex-Girlfriend)

This is another show about romance where I’m far more invested in the female friendship than I am in any of the romances, but to be fair, I think CxG kind of wants you to do that anyway.

Regardless, I love everyone in this Gurl Group, individually and together. And their individual relationships are already fascinating. Like, Rebecca and Valencia’s frienship is pure enemies to lovers friends bliss and I love it. Rebecca and Paula’s relationship is the heart of the show, and like Buffy and Willow, this relationship is often difficult and complicated, but the love is always there. And we never had enough scenes of Heather and Valencia interacting. Every scene where they were together was pure comedic gold. And the group together as a whole was just so powerful and amazing to behold.

4. Amy and Rosa

They do not have enough scenes together. This relationship deserves the same amount of care and development as Jake and Charles get. Melissa and Stephanie have great chemistry. And like, their characters are so different, so the contrast is always so funny. But they also love each other, and support each other, and it’s so much fun to watch. I need 10000% more Amy/Rosa content.

5. Buffy and Veronica

This one’s probably also cheating because it’s a crossover and all, but I’m just kind of obsessed with the idea of them meeting, sparks flying, enemies to lovers friends, the works. They would just have such a fantastic dynamic. Like, think of all the verbal sparring that we would be blessed with. Think of all the drama and angst of them coming to understand and respect each other. If there is one crossover that I would will into existence if I could, it would definitely be this one.

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Confession 327:

I'm not sure if this is the place to give the confessions or not but yea. So on the episode where Buffy and Andi are keeping Cyrus away from tj after finding out about the gun situation, I saw a lot of people saying that Buffy and Andi are bad and controlling friends but I completely disagree with that. the only reason that people are saying this about Andi and Buffy is because they we're able to see Cyrus's point of view and were able to understand TJ's backstory / situation , but think about it from Andi & Buffy's perspective.TJ was a bully to Buffy he was a complete and utter jerk to her and suddenly out of the blue Cyrus tells them that he's a good person of course they're going to be not trusting because he basically bullied their best friend. But after a while of consideration they listen to Cyrus and start kind of trusting TJ, but then they find out that TJ took their gay friend to a place where delinquent teenagers had a gun. You know not everyone is accepting of other is being gay or lesbian or anything other than straight and cisgender so imagine what was running through their heads when they found out about this. if those three teens found out about Cyrus and they had a gun and they got out of control who knows what they could have done to him. and since TJ was the one who took him there and since Andi and Buffy no absolutely near nothing about TJ and only know that he used to bully Buffy of course they're going to try to keep Cyrus away from him because they don't know any better and he certainly hasn't proven himself to them yet. now I'm not saying that I hate TJ as a character he is literally my favorite character and I shipped Iris so much I'm just defending Andi and Buffy because they are truly good friends and I don't like it when I see other people not thinking that like I said the only reason that people are saying these things about them is because they know TJ's backstory and they know all about his situation but Andi and Buffy don't so there.

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mild-lunacy · 6 years

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Why Shipping is Not Always Neutral

Most reasonable people in fandom believe shipping is always neutral. That is to say, it doesn't matter what you ship, it doesn't impact your understanding of the characterization or plot, and it's neither right nor wrong. Then there are the people who think *some* (non-canon) ships are just crazy, while their (non-canon) ship is superior. This is obviously why the whole stance originated. Still, however much people like to apply the 'all's fair in shipping and stanning' philosophy, it actually doesn't apply to canon ships. And it doesn't *always* apply equally to fanon ships. But rejecting *any* canon ships is automatically not neutral.

That is to say, if you think a canon ship sucks, that's not 'just' another fan opinion; it's a critique of canon. Unless, of course, it's portrayed as a failed relationship (and the canon may or may not signal the relationship will fail from the beginning, so in some stories this gets pretty subjective). In some narratives, you're expected to be invested in certain relationships and then... let go. Naturally, not everyone can do that, let alone every time. In a good story (like with Sarah J. Maas and the Throne of Glass series or with The Raven Cycle), you'll be able to see why things happen the way they do. Not doing so becomes a sign of a closed-minded reader. There's a good explanation possible for why it *had* to turn out the way it did. Sometimes it's a bit more complicated, 'cause a character died or just disappeared for no good reason, so... taking sides is understandable. It's just not *neutral*, basically.

I read someone anonymously confess that they don't ship Kaz and Inej in Six of Crows, and people were like, well, you've got the right to your opinion but you're wrong. Which I agree with, insofar as it goes. That person also was glad Matthias died-- and that's different. I think that's fundamentally different. You can easily not care about Matthias. Truth: I enjoyed him but I wasn't that upset when he died; he was only there in the end to make Nina happy. It's not necessary for the story that you care if he's dead; it's probably better if you don't (or you may not enjoy the ending). It *is* necessary to care about Kaz and Inej, 'cause their arc is a major part of the narrative. If you don't appreciate them, you won't really appreciate the books in general. The line between 'appreciate' and 'ship' gets fuzzy though; it's certainly possible to enjoy a romantic or platonic relationship without going that extra mile to ship. It's just... most people in fandom have clearly never realized this. Possibly because that kind of mild attitude is by nature not fannish.

A lot of people do get this with canon slash ships, which are automatically labeled important and necessary to the story (unless the person is pretty obviously hating on queer pairings). No one on Tumblr or Instagram these days really goes very far in dissing Adam/Ronan in TRC, in any case, mostly 'cause they're queer. Either way, people's feelings on gay male relationships seem to take precedence. Plenty of people have much to say about how much they don't ship Blue/Gansey and how they don't like them (at least without some additions or alterations), and so on. Those people usually do care about Blue and Gansey individually, but have their own ideas about what's best for them (usually it's to be queer, but it could be anything). If I had to guess, that confession about Kaz and Inej probably has something to do with how 'healthy' or 'necessary' that relationship is. My point is that it's actually a pretty big and serious statement of philosophy about the whole canon world, not 'just' a ship, 'just' an opinion.

Of course, a lot of times, a story will play on creating drama and disagreement between readers about possible future ships (especially stories with love triangles). And not every story has a central relationship that you have to care about to get the show. BBC Sherlock is on the other end of the spectrum from an ensemble show like BtVS. You can easily like Buffy alone, or with Angel, or with Spike, all with an equivalent understanding of the show, although it gets iffy with fanon ships. You can probably get away with focusing on a slash ship like Spike/Angel as long as you still care about Buffy. I think it's (just barely) enough of a true ensemble show that you may get away with not caring too much about Buffy... but my feeling is that this is only true to an extent. In the end, it's All About Buffy, and so ultimately you have to give Buffy's needs precedence in judging the relationships and events. It's not the same with Six of Crows. It's not an ensemble in the same way. Every character and relationship is much more important, but I would argue that both Kaz and Inej are the 'main characters', though Matthias and his arc is pretty important. If the reader didn't appreciate that, a big chunk of the text just... clearly flew past them. It's not neutral.

This whole issue really started when people started mixing up fanon and canon ships. Or rather, the distinction and/or idea of fanon started to lose importance. This is pretty natural to people, who tend to think their opinion is reality at the best of times. I guess from that perspective, mere tolerance of others' ideas is already an accomplishment. Understanding of the text and/or reality thus becomes really extraneous for most people. Perhaps I'm the one discounting the importance of maintaining harmony; I realize that's probably the central problem on the Internet these days. I should have focused on how cool it is that those Kaz/Inej fans on Instagram were so chill even as they disagreed. I shouldn't take it for granted, let alone disagree and be more forceful. I just think it's useful to think about *why* that (or any other) opinion on a pairing may be wrong.

#ya lit #shipping #oh fandom #characterization #pointless rambles #me myself and i #six of crows #raven cycle #raven ❤️#pynch #sherlock feels #johnlock feels #throne of glass #reader response #buffy feels

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Problems Are Numerous With How LGBTQ+ Characters Are Treated in Media

A character appears on Brooke’s television screen, not a revelation, as it is nearing the end of the movie and the character has already appeared several times. The character is bisexual, and Brooke is a lesbian, so she finds herself identifying with this strong female character. The character utters some tense, last-minute apologies, kisses her stunned girlfriend, and leaps into battle. There is a barrage of gunfire, and the character falls backward in a dramatic display of cinematic slow motion. Yet again, Brooke watches herself die on-screen.

There seems to be a phenomenon in the media, tracing back to the first appearance of a gay character on television in 1971 when Philip Carey played a character named Steve on a TV show by the name of ‘All in the Family’. He appeared, unsurprisingly, for exactly one episode. This particular phenomenon has to do with the way that LGBTQ+ characters are treated in the media.

“There’s just not enough [LGBTQ+ characters] and there could be more,” Brooke said, “It’s nice to see representation.”

Brooke isn’t the only one that has noticed this problem. Many people have noticed and are speaking out. Jade, 16 and bisexual, said, “I think there isn't enough representation overall but that diversity within LGBT+ media could also greatly improve. Trans characters, pan, bi, and other gender variant characters are very rare. Gay and lesbian representation could definitely be better, but more diverse representation is extremely important as well.”

As with any controversial topic, not everyone agrees.

“I have literally never have seen [the concept of “bury your gays”] except from media in Islamic-majority and to say it happens in the western world to a large degree with renowned acceptance is stupid and not factually founded,” Ashley, 18 and bisexual, said.

“I believe LGBTQ+ characters in the media are nowadays treated with higher favor than those who are not LGBTQ+, solely because they were oppressed in the world for so long that now, in most western countries, LGBTQ+ people have similar if not the same rights as non-LGBTQ+ people, they should be "coddled" to prevent a resurgence of unequal rights. I feel a better way to represent the LGBTQ+ community in the media is to level the playing field, and make it so that a plot revolving around an LGBTQ+ character isn't solely about their LGBTQ+ status and is more about the actual person themself. Focusing solely on gender or sexual identity and basing an entire person's life on that is boring and not representative of real LGBTQ persons.”

The concept of “bury your gays”, which Ashley referred to, originally was known as “dead lesbian syndrome” and referred to characters such as Tara McClay from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Around 2007, it morphed into the term “bury your gays” and represents the trope that occurs when LGBTQ+ characters die in popular media or meet some other drastic and unhappy end. In a survey that I conducted among both individuals in the LGBTQ+ community and those who are not part of it, 31.3% of respondents said that the trope is important, but overdone, 50% felt that it is harmful for young members of the LGBTQ+ community to have to watch themselves die on screen over and over again, and 12.5% felt that it is important so that people can see the repercussions of homophobia, bullying, and hate crimes directed at the LGBTQ+ community. 10%, like Ashley, held divergent opinions.

Ashley isn’t the only one to disagree with the concept. Ryan, 14, spoke about how he perceives that LGBTQ+ characters are treated in the media.

“[They are] white, well off, and haven’t experienced a day of real homophobia in their lives, or if they did, can cry in their silk sheets. The LGBTQA movement started with homeless POC kids and I’m more interested in seeing Martha’s story on YouTube and, lately, on Netflix. Our life isn’t lavish and the comfort we receive is generally with a community and not a single protagonist.”

He went on to elaborate, “The only queer characters I’ve seen have been in documentaries, and I aspire to be like Martha P Johnson and the members of the pink panther patrol. Also, Doughnut from Red Versus Blue when he was going through his toxic masculinity phase resonated with me.”

However, the validity of the mistreatment of LGBTQ+ characters in the media does seem to be maintained by many who consume media.

“The LGBTQ+ community is usually used in media to make jokes. I've watched many movies where men are put in dresses just to make it a joke, which is detrimental to society's acceptance of trans people and cross dressers being who they are in public. We need more media produced where the community is treated as a common occurrence, and show that there aren't just two sides of everything, male and female, for example, but a spectrum that varies widely,” Alex, 16 and transgender, said.

“Much of the time the character's character is focused mainly on being a part of the community. Media almost makes it seem like being part of the community is all that we are. On the other end of the spectrum, with other characters I've seen, the producers say "oh yeah, this character is bisexual" but that part of the character is not even hinted at in the media. Portraying LGBTQ+ characters in either of these ways just makes it seem like the producers are forcing it into the media, and gives the community an almost fake, over-focused or super-hidden reputation.”

In the same survey mentioned earlier, 81.3% of participants expressed that they believed that when compared to heterosexual, cisgender characters, LGBTQ+ characters consistently get worse endings in media. 10% were undecided, and the remaining 10% expressed detailed opinions.

“The only reason they might get that ending is because it is a very common ending in real life and people who make media like that are trying to represent the real gay experience to the rest of the world,” Ashley said, “But overall, they are only at a slightly worse "lack of happy endings" situation than straight and cis people.”

As with all media, LGBTQ+ representation in media effects many young people in the community. Young people tend to look for people who represent them to look up to in media, and Jade is no exception.

“Being part of the LGBTQ+ community and seeing LGBTQ+ characters in the media is interesting. My younger sister watches a cartoon and there’s gay dads and a bi sister, and they are shown like normal people, which I think is great since the LGBTQ+ community should be treated equally. However, I dislike how some LGBTQ+ characters are added into shows or movies only to get killed off later or just disappear, and then the straight people are still there. I hope representation of the LGBTQ+ community in the media gets better in the future.”

Alex agrees.

“When I see people in media who I can relate to, whether it's sexuality or gender identity, I feel really warm and light inside, like my heart lights up with hope. It makes me extremely happy to see LGBT+ representation in media because it makes me feel like I'm not the only one, and reminds me that there are lots of people who are LGBT, and that it's possible to succeed in life regardless of not being the 'norm'. It shows that there are enough LGBT people that it influences the media. It gives me a feeling of hope and connectivity.”

Barbara, 65, has witnessed many of the changes in media over the years, including the inclusion of LGBTQ+ characters into popular media.

“In much of the mainstream media I believe LGBTQ characters are stereotyped. I think this will get better as more people outside the LGBTQ community become more tolerant and less judgmental of human diversity,” she said, remaining hopefully optimistic.

Another issue that runs rampant in the media world is generalizing LGBTQ+ characters until they only exist to be solely LGBTQ+.

“Much of the time the character's character is focused mainly on being a part of the community. Media almost makes it seem like being part of the community is all that we are.” Ryan, 21 and gay, said.

“On the other end of the spectrum, with other characters I've seen, the producers say "Oh yeah, this character is bisexual", but that part of the character is not even hinted at in the media. Portraying LGBTQ+ characters in either of these ways just makes it seem like the producers are forcing it into the media, and gives the community an almost fake, over-focused or super-hidden reputation.”

“It’s encouraging to see characters treated as any other character; valued by their personal attributes and characteristics and not by their gender or sexual orientation,” Jill, 19 and nonbinary, said.

“As a minority, they are the “other”. They should be treated as any other gender and binary conforming character. Their sexuality or gender should not be an overarching characteristic.”

Of course, even within the community people have drastically different views on the issues that it has.

“[Seeing LGBTQ+ characters in media] makes me ashamed to be lumped into a community as shallow and pedantic as the LGBTQ+ community,” Ashley said, “I find most people in the community have to fit into a certain stereotype, such as being liberal, anti-gun, feminist, etc., and claiming that you differ from these ideals makes you a "traitor" of sorts. Being a conservative bisexual, I get lots of backlash from the community and have been told I don't belong to it because I don't hold the same political and personal views as many of the other members of the community. The media makes it seem that the LGBTQ+ community is about acceptance, but they only accept you if you hold the same moral virtues as they do. It's wrong and puts the LGBTQ+ community in an overly positive light that they don't deserve due to the rampant toxicity that the community has.”

It’s evident that how LGBTQ+ characters are represented in media affects people in the community, in both positive and negative ways.

“I try to stick to media that portrays LGBT characters in a positive light, but every once in a while I'll see something homophobic or transphobic and it's like I just stop functioning for a moment. It really hurts when that happens. Seeing LGBT characters just casually living their lives in the media brings me so much joy. I spent much of my life thinking that about marrying a man as my only option, so just seeing these LGBT characters living their lives gives me hope that someday I might have a happy future too,” Emily, 19 and a lesbian, contributed.

Stereotyping is another issue that has been briefly touched upon, but is a larger issue than sometimes thought.

“LGBTQ+ characters are often presented as either a background character or an accessory to the main heterosexual, cisgender cast. They get stereotyped, for example, flamboyant gay friend, and aren’t expanded, other types that merely exist in order to build up jokes or show how much they deviate from the norm. Cisgender, heterosexual screen-writers should get secure information on what’s it like to be LGBTQ+ and to not treat our sexuality or gender-identity as something not understandable and disgusting,” contributed Brooke.

“When I was younger, LGBTQ+ characters in the media helped me understand what I felt was felt by other people. I would watch a show, and when there was a gay character I was excited to see myself represented. Often though, that character would have a bad ending and I would feel sad seeing an image of myself dead or washed up or heartbroken. I want to find and create better representation for my community so other LGBTQ youths don’t have to feel the same way I did when I sought out characters like me in media.”

In the after-mentioned survey, 68.8% of participants stated that it is “fairly difficult” or “extremely difficult” to find movies or other media where LGBTQ+ main characters don’t end up dead or otherwise incapacitated. Only 6.3% of participates stated that that type of media is easy to find.

In contrast, 75% of participates think that it is “extremely difficult” or “fairly difficult” to find media where LGBTQ+ main characters end up with their love interest in a happy relationship.

Out of all of the main types of media, digital art seems to treat LGBTQ+ characters the most similarly to heterosexual, cisgender characters. In fact, 62.5% of survey respondents agreed with that statement.

As evidenced by the statements made by mainly LGBTQ+ youth in this article, LGBTQ+ characters in media often meet drastic ends while heterosexual, cisgender characters get their happily ever after. It’s time for producers, screenwriters, authors, animators, and others in the media business to step up- for current LGBTQ+ community members and also future youth who will turn to the media in an attempt to see themselves in their favorite characters. There is certainly a time and place to alert the public to the repercussions of hate and homophobia, however, LGBTQ+ community members are already directly exposed to that hate on a daily basis. It’s extremely difficult for them to turn to media for comfort and see these horrible occurrences happening to not just them, but to the characters that they admire as well.

As Emily puts it, “I want canon queer characters that don’t die and just generally are happy.”

*Please note that some names have been changed to protect privacy

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