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robin-nightwing-agent37 · 2 years

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There’s been a surge of Jason and Barbara talk in the tags recently and I’m not sure what has brought it on since they don’t seem to be interacting much recently. I’m genuinely annoyed when people ship these two because of Joker trauma when really they both are over it, but as a potential pairing I can see the potential for something great. After all aren’t the themes of rebirth present in both these characters? Barbara transforms herself into the all mighty Oracle while Jason turns into the tragic Red Hood, but isn’t there room for forgiveness and hope in the mix of all this violence? It is cape comics after all and isn't that at the heart of them? Love for people you save and faith in humanity, but also for characters to see better in each other and to forgive each other. Across different media adaptations Jason seemingly has had a respect for Barbara and it has been the only thing that has remained consistent. I don't mind the age changes that are made and it is less awkward then the other unnamed popular ship since Barbara had no romantic interest in Jason when he was Robin. They end up separated for a pretty big chunk of time and have no influence on who they both become later on which allows for no major retcons to take place. Note: they would also understand each other on a different level if post-crisis Barbara had been remained in tact. Her father was an alcoholic who began drinking heavily after the death of his wife and would take his aggression out on Barbara until his death by alcoholism. Jason had a mother who was an addict and father who turned to crime to give Jason a better life. They could understand each other in ways that have nothing to do with a moment in time in their lives. So yeah I can get behind it, but I don't necessarily think comic fandoms are open to change.

I feel the same way! I think it just depends on the content and context. It's why I don't get upset about Bruce Babs either. I mean Dick went a good what, 20 years without even thinking about Babs as romantic and vice versa. Characters rarely stay with the same love interest for multiple media adaptions or content changes. It only truly happens when it becomes iconic like Superman and Lois or Spiderman and Mj, and even they don't have consistency all the time. So until Dick, Babs, Jason, xyz, gets an iconic love interest, I think it's ok to just write a good story regardless of the ships.

sorry if i got off topic haha

#Nightwing #ships #Jason Todd #Dick Grayson #Red Hood #Batgirl #Barbara Gordon #dc comics #antinightwingships #my2cents #JasonBabs #DickBabs #but my true opinion is that the batfam needs to date people outside of gotham and the batfam its getting kinda sus

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kid-crashed · 5 years

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Jon Kent and Damian Wayne in the Young Justice Animated Series

It’s been a good long while since Young Justice: Outsiders came out, so I feel like I can finally write about this without worrying about tagging spoilers and ruining lives or something. This is something I thought about the second this episode aired, and I’ve been waiting to write it. So here it goes!

Young Justice: Outsiders was obviously exciting for many reasons, but some of the most excitement came from introductions of well beloved characters, such as Jason Todd and Damian Wayne (seen in Episode 6) and Jon Kent (seen in Episode 9). Anyone who follows Super Sons already knows that this is a massive deal, because it establishes that Damian and Jon both exist in the same animated timeline for the very first time, as well as it being Jon’s animated debut.

While I’m obviously extremely excited for the possibility of a Super Sons animated moment, it got me thinking. The screen shots above show that Damian and Jon are both infants, likely somewhere around one (1) year old. This is completely different from the three (3) year age difference we’re used to, and while this difference might not seem like that big of a deal to some people, it has the capacity to completely change their character dynamics.

Let’s start by looking at Damian:

We all know Damian’s backstory by now; raised in the League of Assassins by Ra’s and Talia Al Ghul, until he was ten (10) years old, when he moved to Gotham to live with Bruce Wayne. It was at this point that he became Robin. This is a pretty concrete point in Damian’s character, and is very unlikely to change. At some point in the YJ series, he needs to become Robin. But lets take a minute to think about what kind of person he was at that age: arrogant, violent, stubborn, and desperately trying to prove his worth to a father he just met. At this point, he was a killer, and regularly fought with just about every member of the Batfam, Bruce and Dick in particular, as he tried to break the habits he’d been brought up with.

In the context of YJ, we can assume that Dick would at some point bring Damian along to join the Team, but the question is, at what age? Damian joining almost immediately fits pretty well with how quickly he was introduced to the Teen Titans. But, at that age, he was hardly a team player. It wasn’t until he was about thirteen (13) that he really started developing actual friendships. However, the age Damian joins the Team - in my opinion at least - would depend very heavily on when the other “Next Generation” heroes join.

This brings us to Jon:

Jon is known for being the complete antithesis to Damian. Rather than being raised to be a loyal machine, he was raised to be a loyal friend. Jon is a character who puts family first, and thinks of his friends as family. He’s truly a breath of childish fresh air in an industry that loves feeding us doom and gloom. While he is beloved by the majority of the fanbase, other characters were very apprehensive about him when he first got into the hero business at ten (10) years old; not-so-coincidentally, the same age as Damian.

However, Jon is also the character in DC comics with the most amount of pressure on him. You imagine being the son of Superman for a moment, and growing up knowing that every single person you meet expects you to one day take over that title. Do you think you’d be able to handle that? Let alone at ten years old? I certainly can’t. Yet it seems like Jon doesn’t actually realize just how heavy that weight on his shoulders is.

While Supers are known for being power houses, and every team seems to want one, Jon was a kid, and very new to his abilities. He was unpolished; constantly making mistakes, misjudging his own strength, overshooting his speed and flight, and who could possibly forget when he lost control Manchester Black, or when he went full Super Nova and nearly killed the Teen Titans? It became very clear at the end of the first Super Sons run that Damian was actually the only other young hero that trusted Jon, which is why they continued to function as the newest take on a dynamic duo.

How does this all come back to Young Justice: Outsiders? Well it’s actually very simple. All of that mistrust that characters were going to have in Jon was immediately erased the second the series did this:

Right here is the next generation of the Team. We all know it, and unlike previous heroes, this is the first generation that’s growing up together. Unlike every other iteration of the Justice League, Teen Titans, Young Justice, and literally every other team you can think of, these kids are all going to grow up watching each other’s powers come in. They’re going to know each other’s weaknesses and flaws, from weekly play dates, birthday parties, and any other hero-family get-together; some of them might even end up going to the same schools in this universe. Yes, Jon is the youngest out of them, but that just means that every single one of these kiddos is going to watch him grow up, knowing that S on his chest will always be there.

Let’s think about what we know about Jon again. He’s charismatic, funny, loyal and true, and has this uncanny ability to be able to talk to literally anyone, regardless of who the are, where they’re from, or what circumstance he’s in. You know what those traits line up perfectly with? A natural born leader.

Growing up in this environment, where all these super kids play all the time, it’s so easy to imagine Jon growing up and being this larger than life personality that everyone just naturally seems to listen to. Jon would be the kid coming up with new games to play, and teaching them to everyone else. He would be one of the team captains when they play kickball, soccer, or any other sport. He would be genuinely interested in everyone’s hobbies and skills. He would be the one everyone turns to when they need someone to talk to. If someone’s unsure about him, chances are they’ll just do what everyone does; take one look at that S on his chest and just start listening.

The series progresses. There’s another time skip, and Damian and Jon are now both ten years old, taking on their respective superhero mantels for the first time. As all young heroes in this series eventually do, they join the Team. Perhaps around the same time, perhaps Damian joins a few months before hand, or vice versa. But that doesn’t matter, because the effect will be exactly the same.

Damian is harsh. He’s vindictive, and unemphatic; the exact opposite of what everyone expects a Robin to be. He refuses to take orders, and is very clearly trying to fight his was to the top of the food chain. Plus, he comes right in and kicks Tim Drake out of the Robin title, someone who could very likely be the current leader. Chances are, everyone would hate Damian from the get-go. Meanwhile, everyone would be looking forward to the day Jon joins. They all knew he would. It was just a matter of time.

Rather than being introduced to each other with a clear difference in experience like in the comics, Jon and Damian are now on relatively even playing fields because they’re the same age. Damian would have more combat skills, but Jon’s already an integral part of the group, and he’s a fast learner. Obviously they would but heads, likely even more than they did in Supers Sons.

One of the biggest debates we see in every single season of YJ is “Ok, but who’s in charge?” This would undoubtedly come up as Damian flat out refuses that listen to any leadership if he doesn’t deem them worthy. Even at ten (10) years old, he would likely be fighting for that position of head honcho, because at this point in his life, Damian’s driving forces are his ego and his ambition. Unfortunately for him, at ten (10) years old, with that personality, and after having just left the League of Assassins, he’s completely untrustworthy.

Jon on the other hand is a perfect candidate for eventual leader. Everyone would have followed Kon, the Superboy before him, to the ends of the Earth. Superman led the Justice League at one point, plus he’s, you know, Superman. Here we’ve got that legend’s kid, with all the makings to eventually take over the whole operation. He’s young, and pretty green, but chances are every single person on the team would have it in the back of their minds that this kid was born to lead.

The biggest problem? Jon has a tendency to crack under pressure, and second guess himself. There is a chance that Damian rushing to be in charge would force Jon to be pushed forward far too quickly, long before he’s ready. Meanwhile, Damian’s smart as sin. No one on the Team would be able to deny that Damian’s a perfect strategist, who analyses and memorizes every skill set and strength of the people he has to work with. He can come up with a flawless plan at the drop of a hat. Meanwhile, Jon would be the kind of person to lead with his heart, and build morale on a foundation of morals and trust.

That’s going to be the conflict between Damian and Jon in Young Justice because of how they were introduced in the series, and with their lack of age gap. Damian doesn’t have the time to grow and gain everyone’s trust before Jon becomes Superboy, where as Jon wouldn’t have the chance to learn before getting pushed into leadership positions he isn’t ready for. They’re likely going to but heads even more than before, and right now, there’s no way to tell if they will ever be able to achieve the friendship they have in the comics, or if they’ll be stuck as rivals.

Is it too early to make assumptions? Yeah. Probably. Who knows what the writers have planned. But I don’t think there’s any way to doubt the conflict they just created for themselves.

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imaginethatalena · 6 years

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#51: Batfam x Reader

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Thanks @crazyfreckledginger for requesting ❤ I understand that this isn’t usually how Vicki Vale is portrayed in comics, but I changed her a bit for the sake of this imagine.

Request Part 1, Part 2: Oh!! A fic where Bruce is dating this lady and they have been in a relationship for a while and they are really happy so the reader doesn't want to say anything because she wants bruce to be happy because the women keeps being mean to her. Unbeknownst to the boys. And one morning, when they are all eating, the women comes in with one of the reader's jackets and she says that's hers but the women says "oh you can't get away with this honey!" And the boys are just shocked by what she has just and when the reader doesn't answer anything and kind of accepts it because she keeps hearing it. And she is hurt, the boys defend her and when bruce hears about it he dumps her and soo much fluff? Ty!! 😅

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Bruce had been in a happy relationship for awhile now with a woman named Vicki Vale. You only knew her as a popular Gotham Gazette journalist. She was smart, beautiful, and much like Bruce, had a talent for investigation. The public loved Bruce and Vicki being together, but you had a bit of a different opinion.

Being a friend of the Wayne family, you practically lived at Wayne manor, which meant you saw Vicki a lot. While Alfred and the boys were indifferent to her, you had developed a deep dislike for her. She looked down on you and took every opportunity to make sure you knew. She would comment things like, “Don’t you have a home of your own to go to?” or “I’m sure the boys are starting to get tired of you.” The worst comment you had gotten from her so far was when she told you, “I thought the Waynes had better taste in the people they let into their house.”

Vicki was smart not only when it came to investigative journalism, but also in the strategic harassment she subjected you to. She was always careful to say what she said when the Waynes were out of the room or at the very least out of earshot. You had learned to ignore everything and not retaliate. Bruce had welcomed you into his home and made you a part of the family. You didn’t want to overstep your boundaries by telling him you didn’t like his girlfriend.

Staying the night at Wayne manor was a common thing for you and now Vicki, but she had never stayed the same night as you before. There wasn’t any trouble until the next morning, when you and the boys were eating breakfast on the patio.

Vicki came outside to see what was being served for breakfast.

“It looks delicious as always, Alfred,” she said with a smile, wrapping a bagel in a napkin and grabbing an apple. “I have to get to the office early today, so I can’t sit down for breakfast, but I’ll be back for dinner.”

At that moment you looked up and saw she was wearing your jacket.

“Uh, Vicki?” you asked in confusion. “Isn’t that my jacket?”

“Yes, it is,” she said, flipping her red hair over her shoulder. “It’s very stylish. I thought I would wear it today. You don’t mind, do you?”

“Actually I do,” you said, a note confrontation in your voice. “Why can’t you wear your coat?”

“Why must you turn everything into an argument, Y/N?” Vicki asked, starting to get annoyed with you. “You can’t get away with this in the real world, honey, especially if you want to remain a part of this family.”

With that Vicki left the patio, leaving you in shock. Instead of her normal insults, this time she had gone so far as to threaten your place in the family, stunning you into silence. After all this time, she had forced you to just accept everything she said to you. She had done no such thing to Alfred or the boys.

“Who the hell does she think she is?” Jason was the first to react.

“Is she always like this with you?” Dick asked.

It was at that moment Alfred put a gentle hand to your shoulder and you realized you were crying. You finally told them everything Vicki would say to you and how you had put up with everything for Bruce’s sake and out of fear of losing your place with them.

“You should have told us this was going on, Y/N,” Tim said. “She has no right to treat you like that.”

“If she can accept me as a part of the family, she can accept you,” Damian told you. “I’ll remind everyone that you were here first, and she has no right to tell you what it means to be a part of this family.”

“Thank you guys,” you said. You didn’t have the words to express how thankful you were to have them looking out for you, but you knew they understood.

Alfred and the boys told Bruce everything, and he wasn’t happy that Vicki had made you feel unwelcome in a place that was supposed to feel like home. That night at dinner, he made it very clear to Vicki what he thought of her comments towards you.

“Do you plan on staying the night again, Vicki?” he asked her in front of you and the boys. Alfred had just finished laying out the food, and you caught a smile breaking through as he left the dining room.

“You told me I was welcome here whenever I like, Bruce,” she said to him with what was supposed to be an innocent smile. “I would like to stay the night.”

“I understand, but don’t you have a home of your own to go to?”

Vicki’s face fell, and that was when the boys became hyper focused on the plates in front of them, struggling to hide their grins. You had heard Burce’s words and looked at him in surprise, realizing exactly what he was about to do.

“Is something wrong, Bruce?” Vicki asked him.

“Oh no. Nothing’s wrong,” Bruce told her. “It’s just that the boys are starting to get tired of you.”

You didn’t miss the look Vicki shot at you out of the corner of her eye, and neither did Bruce.

“I know how you’ve been treating Y/N, Vicki,” he told her. “What you told her was true. The Waynes have better taste in the people we let into our house. I don’t know how you slipped by.”

Vicki’s jaw dropped at his words, looking as though she couldn’t believe he had just insulted her.

“You can’t get away with treating people like this in the real world, Vicki,” Bruce said as he stood up. “Especially if you want to be a part of my family. I might have considered forgiving this, but you’ve gone too far. Please show yourself out.”

Vicki didn’t need any encouragement to shove herself away from the dinner table and practically stomp out of the room. The entire family was happy to see her leave, even Bruce, and you finished your dinner like the true family you were.

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