#anti yellowjackets

[wistfulwatcher]

#spending two entire seasons focusing on natalie's self-destructive behaviors and pain #making her suicidal thoughts a main aspect of her story line #then letting her want to try and address her trauma and heal a DAY before she's killed #is actually fucking disgusting

#yellowjackets #yellowjacketsedit #natalie scatorccio #nataliescatorccioedit #mine #edit #* #anti yellowjackets #yellowjackets critical #suicide cw #addiction cw

[beronicalongcon]

okay sorry but you can't kill your suicidal character and have her younger self appear and tell her she was always supposed to die. ESPECIALLY not when during the season she had an arc about her trying desperately to protect/discover her will to live. I didnt hate this ep but if you dont understand why that's lazy and gross then im going to assume you've never been suicidally depressed

#yellowjackets #anti yellowjackets #nat was not 'doomed by the narrative' she was SUICIDAL and she was FIGHTING IT????? #even if you are going to kill her you better be real fucking careful your moral isnt: #oh our suicidal character just had a great conclusion to her arc. suicide! just what she always wanted now she doesnt have to feel guilty #GET REAL #tw suicide #yellowjackets spoilers

[inthegloomglow]

Me laying flowers on YJ’s grave: I’m sorry sudden season 2 death syndrome took you too.

#Yellowjackets #live-blogging the last two episodes to purge it from my system #I knew there were major red flags sadly #anti yellowjackets #tagging that for those that want only positivity #I don’t think the show can come back from this

[saw-x]

I just found it, and I already love your blog. Your gifs are very quality, and you have great taste.

Even though I'm not a big horror fan myself (thank you for tagging it accordingly), I love Yellowjackets. Natalie was my fave, and even though I'm a grown-ass 40 years old woman, I was so upset by her death that I dreamed the following night that they could save her. I agree with you that season one was better, even though I liked season two as well (Natalie's death was an exception, they did Misty very dirty with it, and that random attack by Lisa was weird and didn't feel inherent).

I knew Lottie wasn't the Antler Queen, but I was in the dark who was supposed to be then, did you know it, or have you guessed it, bc it came to me in surprise. :)

So yeah, my rant is over, and I'm sorry if I bored you but I needed this out of my system.

Keep up the good work, and please tag horror further as it is!

Hi - first of all thank you for sending this ask it's always lovely to have nice messages like this and you definitely didn't bore me 🥰

I am still pretty upset about Nat's death as well and I agree the whole thing was very weird and felt contrived. I understand if Juliet wanted out of the show (which I have suspected since some of the comments she made in season 1, which made me think Natalie dying was a big possibility) but I just wish they had taken actual care and respect to the character when killing her off you know? It all feels mean spirited and disrespectful to me, which is crazy since apparently they had a meaner cut where everyone on the plane laughs at her (wtf?)

I was pretty surprised by Nat being the antler queen and I thought it was an interesting turn of events. In general I still quite enjoyed the first half of season 2, but around episode 5 or 6 I started to find the show a lot less enjoyable and felt like there were a lot of problems with the season and its pacing. For example, I really enjoyed Tai's character in season 1, but I feel her storyline in season 2 was really lacklustre and a lot of her agency was taken away. Everything is explained away as a 'dark, other tai' which feels lazy and kinda feels like backtracking since I feel the implication in the season 1 finale was that she did a ritualistic sacrifice to win the senate race. I would've liked them to explore a bit more of her as a senator since they spent much of season 1 on the senate race and I also find it so weird that Simone is literally never seen again in the season after she was shown in a coma. Character motivations also feel all over the place and I feel like the characters in the adult storyline have big swings in their behaviours which feels weird since that storyline for the season only spans a week.

These are just a couple of examples where I feel the storytelling and pacing just feels really disjointed. I've heard that they originally had 10 main episodes and a lot was cut from the season, and I think the season really suffered from this (I'm not referring to the bonus cabin episode). So yeah... sorry I ranted a bit in return.

#asks #anti yellowjackets

[garruscoochie]

Yellowjackets spoilers and criticism below !

Can't believe I stuck through this show to have my only favorite three characters (kevyn, nat, jackie) ALL die. The finale was a double whammy for me and I won't be coming back for any more seasons, if there even are any.

#anti yellowjackets #yellowjackets spoilers #Im really baffled by the decline s2 has taken #And I'm frankly pissed off so Im not sticking around for anymore of this crap

[biblicalhorror]

Girl help they're calling the guy who blackmailed his wife and her teammates over their trauma to save his furniture store a "himbo who just loves his wife and wants her to be happy"

#im being a hater sorry #im just so annoyed with jeff stans lately #listen. its fine if you like him! but hes a bad selfish person just like every other character on this show #i know its easy to forget that in season 2 when the writers keep playing into the whole 'bumbling lovable idiot husband' schtick for laughs #but remember how all of this started #yellowjackets #anti jeff sadecki

[sancastarcs]

the mistynat vs lottienat fan wars are pointless because at the end of the day the former killed her while the later saved her in all the ways nat could be saved... like comparing the bond between lottie and nat, the prophet and the queen, each other's anchors through out the years, the person nat saw while she was dying with Misty's one sided obsession is just a disservice to nat's own character 😭

#yellowjackets #lottie x nat #lottienat for the win! #lottienat #anti mistynat #like... i am sorry but let's be real for a second 😭

[jokeson-u]

juliette lewis is so ugly it actually makes me sad like why did u do my girl nat like that

#shes also a scientologist #and depp supporter #and anti vaxxer #yellowjackets #natalie scatorccio

[wistfulwatcher]

"at least natalie's death was narratively satisfyin—"

no. it wasn't. they gave us a character who has struggled with addiction her whole life. struggled with self-harm in a variety of forms. who has felt lost and guilty for the last twenty-five years. a character who has been suicidal multiple times in the past, a character who was literally suicidal a week ago.

and you killed her a day after she started to actually, truly try to heal.

yes, this show has always been dark. yes, from the first moment of the entire series we knew these girls committed unspeakable violence on one another, and did so ritually. yes, we knew that the adult versions of these characters spent the last twenty-five years struggling with their guilt and shame and trauma, and were doing it very, very poorly.

all of this just shows that the story has been in their struggle. this has been—or at least it was initially sold as—a show about women and their trauma. a show about women who don’t know how to examine their trauma, don’t know how to process it. who can’t take more than small glances at what happened, but who can also never, ever forget that it’s there. this has been a show about women who are coping, most times poorly, but very, very realistically.

and there was so much hope in that, despite (or because) this is such a dark show. these women can screw up and struggle and be real people—which women never get to be on television—and still maybe, they can heal bit by bit. there was always an inherent hope in this story, because they were all still, as adults, trying to make a life for themselves even if they were muddling through it.

in season two, natalie starts to heal at the retreat. (apparently—i personally found her 180 between "qui" and "burial" highly suspect and very poorly executed, but that's a moot point now.) she spends most of the season struggling against lottie, but finally accepts lottie's therapy (thanks to lisa) and beginning with "burial" she keeps trying to get the girls to talk about what happened. she figures out what she needs to move forward—to finally, truly address what happened in the wilderness by talking about it. that becomes her goal, and her focus with the others.

but natalie doesn't get to talk about anything. the girls want to drink instead of talk in "burial". and in "it chooses," the second nat suggests they talk, lottie shuts her down and suggests they drink poison instead. natalie is sober, and trying to do what she thinks she is supposed to do by confronting her trauma. she has made all of the "right" choices to actually heal from her pain, but she never gets to.

natalie’s entire story line, set up in her very introduction in the pilot, is to find her purpose. she talks about her self-destructive behaviors being due to her lack of one, and makes it clear that she intends to find that purpose once she leaves therapy. thus, for natalie’s story to be narratively satisfying, her story needs to end with her finding that purpose, right? which means that, if we are to treat this as a narratively satisfying ending, then natalie physically sacrificing her life for lisa is supposed to be that purpose. 

but death is not a purpose. and, to portray it as such for a character who has tried to commit suicide is, honestly, disgusting to me. especially for a character who was saved—again, a week ago—from her attempt by the very woman who then encourages her to drink poison that is used to "put animals out of their misery". who is then told in her death vision to “let the wilderness in” (when "the wilderness" has been a pretty clear metaphor for trauma!!!). they spent all season telling a suicidal character to suddenly let go and give in and stop resisting in a narrative that leads to her “””finding purpose””” in her fucking death. not to mention letting that death be recorded as "an overdose" after she has been explicitly sober as part of her growth!!

a far, far more narratively satisfying path for natalie is for her to actually find a purpose that is consistent with the hunter-protector she’s always been described as. in “no compass” tai says that natalie is the reason they all made it out of the wilderness. (again, wilderness as a metaphor for trauma!) so why, on earth would the better story line, the more consistent story line, the more satisfying story line—especially when this show is all about parallels and cycles repeating—not be natalie leading them all out of “the wilderness” by helping them process the trauma? by getting them all to talk about it?

(i didn’t necessarily need or expect yellowjackets to give a truly “good” message or resolution—bittersweet would be plenty for me—but can you imagine the beauty of that story? the character who has felt nothing but pain and guilt, who has been alone for the majority of her life, who has never felt good and stable love, being the one to break through the trauma first? the one who finally learns to heal first, and protects them all once again by leading them through the wilderness? a story of a woman supporting women through trauma that only they can understand?)

instead natalie's story goes from struggling with her pain and guilt, to trying to find some purpose in her life, to losing that purpose and attempting suicide, to being saved and actually starting to address her trauma head-on. and then dying before she can. i'm sure there are some people who believe that this is character growth (the briefest moment of addressing her trauma), but it wasn't; her growth is blunted by her death.

and this makes her death both tragic and unsatisfying. a character who struggles so hard and so long, who finally, finally sees a light, and the moment she reaches for it, is shifted back to where she was a week ago, having never gotten to actually grow.

so no, just because i am personally devastated by nat's death does not mean that i am blind to the narrative; quite the opposite. i am furious both as a fan of the character and a fan of the story. i feel deceived, disappointed, and insulted by every single part of this story. i feel like we were all cheated out of what could have been a beautiful exploration of a complex and fascinating character. and on top of all that i am very, very hurt.

#yellowjackets #yellowjackets spoilers #yellowjackets meta #natalie scatorccio #anti yellowjackets #yellowjackets critical #i'm so sad and mad right now i'm shaking tbh #mine #wordles #~ #suicide cw #addiction cw #I AM FUCKING FURIOUS

[revawake]

Lottie pre-crash eating her breakfast alone save for the maid who works for the Matthews, who is both Lottie's subject in a way (serving her) and her superior in a way (acting as an extension of her father's will, serving her medications she's not allowed to decline).

Lottie as an adult crafting herself a home where she can permanently banish the isolation and powerlessness of her childhood without losing its comforts. She's fixing it. She'll be what her father wasn't. Loving, not cruel. Liberating, not tyrannical.

She's a healer. She's a leader! She acts graciously when one of her servants followers serves her maca root instead of ashwaghanda. She makes it a rule that they can leave whenever they want!

Lottie in the wilderness hallucinating all her friends eating together, and look, even though she's died her disciple best friend Laura Lee is there and she already served got her some takeout! And Jackie isn't there there's one free seat just for Lottie!

Lottie's the good queen. Someone has to be! They can't all be unborn queens, she tells herself, or else she everyone would starve!

#lottie matthews #yellowjackets meta #hopefully this isn't kicking a hornet's nest (pun intended) but for real though. #why do we not feel like acknowledging that lottie likes being served and having subjects? #she's the antler queen not the antler comrade!!!!! for fucks sake!!!!! #this is not an anti lottie post btw i just get annoyed when she's so often characterized as purely compassionate and nurturing #as if she can't genuinely be those things AND manipulative and controlling #like there's so much more of this character to chew on (pun also intended) #stop shopping for purity at the cannibalism show etc etc #i want to do a longer post now comparing lottie being served food to lottie serving food because the latter is a WHOLE other can of worms #lottie killing the bear - lottie blessing the meals / let's collect its blessings (the starlings) #lottie feeding nat and travis her own blood - lottie serving jackie the hot cocoa of death making her a permanent subject of the underworld #^and freeing up the throne in the process. #oh yeah and lottie attempting to hunt / serve travis as food. that's a big one sorry i forgot flex!!!

[inthegloomglow]

Man Yellowjackets had such an incredible season 1! It’s weird they didn’t get renewed and it ended there!

#Yellowjackets #anti yellowjackets #sophomore slump BAD #sudden season 2 death syndrome

[there-are-many-ways-to-smile]

Shauna and Jackie fight in the cabin was crazy

“I’m not jealous of you Jackie. I feel sorry for you.” Like I’m sorry who was sleeping with whose boyfriend? That literally gives off the vibe of being jealous.

Literally had to be stranded in the middle of fucking nowhere to grow a backbone, needed an audience to speak her truth.. 

“You’re tragic and boring.” Like Shauna isn’t a whole cliché. The girl who got with her best friends, boyfriend, and then was impregnated by said boyfriend.

I know this was a heat of the moment fight. But I’m starting to think that instead of Shauna yelling at Jackie, she was really looking at Jackie while actually yelling at herself. Cause the things she’s saying fit her character more than they do Jackie.

#Shauna shipman #Jackie Taylor #yellowjackets #Yellowjackets season 1 #anti Shauna shipman #this is another hate post #Because honestly she doesn’t get enough hate #or is this a an attempt at an analysis post #Yellowjackets Shauna #Yellowjackets Jackie #Yellowjackets season 1 finale

[tuiyla]

girls who don't get it don't appreciate the poetry of jackie taylor

i do, though. i'm girl who Gets it

#'her death is anti-climactic' BITCH #i am IN YOUR WALLS #haunted by the narrative!!! HAUNTS the narrative!! #death could have been avoidable!!! the entire fucking point!!! #i'm gonna be so annoying about jackie taylor even now that she's but a ghost #ESPECIALLY now that she's a ghost #sigh #heavy is the burden of being Correct #yellowjackets #jackie taylor

[lais-a-ramos]

I think the ship discourse in Yellowjackets fandom would probably go calmer if more ppl realized that "you can ship whatever you want to ship" and "sometimes preferences/headcanons reflect prejudiced stereotypes that exist in real life" are two statements that can coexist.

While it's true that ppl can ship whatever they want and ship wars are pointless, we can't also dismiss all forms of critics about headcanons and preferences as simply "hate" or "envy" or "jealousy" and shut out important conversations bc they're not convenient to us.

Like, the issue w/ Taivan and Jackieshauna: the discussion about racial bias and anti-gender nonconforming bias in progressive spaces like sapphic fandoms is important, and some ppl misusing some concepts or losing their temper doesn't invalidate that.

Same w/ Lottienat: even if arguments like "they have more fics" are shallow, it doesn't erase the fact that some tropes, like "Lottie fixes Nat", reduce Lottie, a rare representation for Indigenous/Maori ppl and ppl w/ schizophrenia, to the role of fixing a white woman, reduce Nat to her addiction and reproduce harmful stereotypes about "bad girls", reinforce misconceptions about addiction (like it's something we can switch off just bc someone loves us), reinforce the same traditional gender roles that the show tries to deconstruct etc.

Fandoms are about fun, but also about community, and only by understanding that both "ship whatever you want" and "sometimes preferences/headcanons carry prejudices", we can make sure that everyone feels included and can be part of the fun.

PS.: I'm gonna tag the 'anti' tags so ppl who don't wanna see it can skip the discourse when they scroll (I actually ship Jackieshauna romantically tbh)

#yellowjackets #fandom discourse #poc representation #taissa turner #van palmer #shauna shipman #jackie taylor #lottie matthews #natalie scatorccio #anti lottienat #anti jackieshauna

[zetasann]

☣☣☣☣☣BIOVAINE☣☣☣☣☣

Overview:

Biovaine takes place in an alternate version of the year 2009.

Kazuma Melnoir, the Director of Biological Innovation of the RENT Corporation, is able to harness the dark power of the Vanta Maw, and unknowingly destroys the seal between unreality and reality, and in the process, she became the God of the New World.

Tulpas began to spew out of the RENT Institute, as a horrible pulsating mass named the Atropos infested and grew to the size of a small mountain over the laboratory. It is now the site of where most powerful Tulpa emerge, and is a tumor on the planet that is almost impossible to remove.

Hive Cities begin to arise, as most of the planet has been transformed into a luscious jungle, filled with monsters and artifacts from another world, known as the Vanta Verdant.

To protect humanity, artificial beings named Vaines were mobilized as Super Soldiers, sent to search and destroy various Tulpa threats and uprisings. Vaines produced from before the Vanta Maw's escape have been observed to display human emotions, and are completely sentient, whereas Vaine's from after the Vanta Maw's escape are much more drone-like, and only have their prime directives as their motivations.

The leading power of the world is Peruvia, a large hive city, that vertically stretches into the clouds with large white cathedral-like architecture that bridges from Japan to the newly migrated Southern American continent. Its leaders are corrupt to their cores, only interesting in lining their pockets than provide for those who live at the very bottom of these towering cities.

It is only up to the Lucid Vaines and scattered Mercenary groups to confront Kazuma, find a way to close the Vanta Maw, and overthrow Peruvia's government.

☣☣☣ Part Titles: ☣☣☣

Biovaine: Cry of the Sundowner

Biovaine: Vanta Collage

Biovaine: Perpetual Waltz

#zeta oc stuff #biovaine #hope you guys like it when i actually finish it #from left to right it goes #Lillith #Arasaka #Yellowjacket #Martian #Anti Martian / Deimos #this is part one of biovaine #Biovaine: Cry of the Sundowner #LORE DUMP TIME LETS GO #This is not every biovaine character. Eventually every part 1 character will have their own illustration #oc art #oc #story #original character #original art #character concept

[jollyreginaldrancher]

Thinking about how Misty keeps unintentionally following through and achieving things Nat tried to do

Nat spent all of season two trying to get Lottie to look around and realise that her actions have consequences. Tried to get her to realise that starting and leading this fiercely devoted cult isn't a good thing. But she just came across as jealous even to her closest compatriots and it didn't work. Though to some degree it was maybe selfless, the majority of her motivation evolved around wanting to control Travis however and karma shot her in the foot.

Meanwhile Misty has one conversation with Lottie in the finale and completely opens her eyes to what she created and gets Lottie to take accountability for her actions without even meaning to. All she wanted to do was keep everyone alive, especially Lottie. And all she was trying to do was prevent Lottie from spiralling and guilting the rest of them for doing what they had to do to stay alive a little longer during the winter. She achieves in one conversation what Nat had been trying to do all season without even meaning to.

Honestly love how much they parallel and juxtapose one another.

Like with coach Ben in season 2. Misty's last conversation with him saving his life while Nat's last conversation with him doomed all of theirs. The way both of these girls ruin everything they touch in one way or another and when their paths cross, even if they don't come in contact with each other their effect is felt in perpetuity.

And god, Natalie putting a gun in her mouth and trying to end herself the way her father died because, after all, she never thought she was any better than her father, and Misty mercifully ending Nat with a syringe instead? Days later and completely by mistake but Misty following through for Nat and achieving what she wanted once again in season two.

If they do continue the Travis murder mystery subplot, I firmly believe it's Misty that will get the truth out in Natalie's place. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if she succeeds her as antler queen, to be honest. Like maybe they all take turns somehow. Heavy is the head that wears the crown though and I wouldn't be surprised if Natalie tried to take on that whole responsibility for them all though, so it's possible Nat stays the queen and Misty her right hand. Either way I'm dying to see their interactions in season 3.

Without adult Nat, I really hope the season focuses more on teen Nat's relationship with Misty, and just generally incorporates her more within the group and focuses far less on Travis and her now that she's done something completely unforgivable. Even if he condones it, I hope his penis has a conscience and we don't have to sit through another fucking sex scene between this asshat and Nat.

#thank you for your time #Misty quigley #nat Scatorccio #natalie Scatorccio #thoughts #mine #yellowjackets #anti travis martinez