#anti leorai

[oryoucouldhavemine]

OMIGODDDDD Okay, i know ive been gone for a WHILE and mostly talk about the owl house on here but im getting FED UP with seeing people defending leorai on here and i NEED to say smth lmao Leo and Karai ARE siblings. That is the end of that. There is no "no they aren't" to it. Because they are. To say they AREN'T means you are completely invalidating any adoptive relationship. You think that adoptive siblings aren't real siblings, you think that adoptive parents do not care about their children in the same way they do for their biological ones, you are completely discrediting the fact that adoptive parents care for their adoptive children the same as their biological children. I've seen this argument used COUNTLESS times to defend ships, that because the siblings are "Adopted" it's fine to ship them. No it's not! It's not okay to ship leo and karai, who ARE adoptive siblings, it's not okay to ship sal fisher and larry because they are ADOPTIVE SIBLINGS, it's not okay to walk up to a real life adoptive sibling duo and tell them you ship them or see them as a couple! Splinter adopted the turtles. Yes, in a very very unorthodox way, but he still adopted them and took care of them as his own children for FIFTEEN YEARS, raising them to be loved like his own children, raising them like siblings. Shredder DID NOT adopt Karai morally, he KIDNAPPED HER and lied to her for 16 years, he never raised her with love, and he never raised her to view the people she was surronded by as her own family. He never told her the truth, he never gave her attention unless it was needed. Did he care for her? Yes, i will not deny he cared for her, but it was less "he cares for her like a father" and more "he cares for her because hes invested 16 years caring for her." When Karai found out the truth and started somewhat living with the turtles, she called Splinter father. Mikey repeatedly called her sister. The turtles for the most part all viewed her as their sister. The five of them all called the exact same man "father." They have the same last name. And once they all figured it out KARAI WAS RAISED TOGETHER WITH THE TURTLES!!! Biologically, Leo and Karai are not siblings. But morally, ethically, technically, legally, they are. Stop discrediting adoptive familial relationships to support your incestuous ship. (and yes! surprise! It's still incest because they are family! incest isn't just based on actual genetics believe it or not :P) And atp, if after reading all that you STILL wanted to defend and ship leorai, just block me. it's not worth reading your dumbass logic in a reblog, don't take the effort to try and "correct" any information, just block me. i don't want to see it anyway have a lovely day and sorry for the tangent lmao

#tmnt 2012 #leonardo hamato #miwa hamato #karai hamato #anti leorai #tmnt #teenage mutant ninja turtles #teenage mutant ninja turtle 2012 #2012 tmnt

[pumpkinpie59]

while everyone likes to crap on leo/rai (for good reason) and on apritello for being cringe ig

i feel like one thing every 2012 ship has a problem with is pacing

yes i mean every ship

it’s clear that the 2012 writers don’t rlly know how to commit to romantic subplots so they either go the “they are super into each other right off the bat so there’s little build up” angle or the “will they won’t they,, but we’ll never show them actually get together” angle

i’m not saying these are atrociously bad or anything but it can be really annoying in the long run

apritello is the entire reason i got into 2012 when i was 11 lmao so it got stale for me when the show focuses less and less on their development since they didn’t want to commit to an actual subplot after the bigfoot fiasco. they both grow, sure, but it’s pushed to the background and we never see them talk about it. instead we get a kiss in a non-canon music video ://

dw apritello i still love you

with ramona, while it’s incredibly sweet how in love they are, the pacing of their first episode was ,,,, bad lol. the first time i watched it i was so underwhelmed i was like,,, this gets better?? right?? and it did but yeah i think that first episode for sure needed tweaking.

and more mona would’ve been great too. she needed some character exploration outside of her relationship with raph,, like having her talk more with the other characters her age (i would kill for april and mona content). i’m not saying she doesn’t have depth. she does. but a lot of it gets pushed to the background for her dynamic with raph.

they just didn’t even try with mikey and renet i’ll be real. they threw renet in there as a love interest and then kept making her and mikey kinda go in circles with their interest in each other. they’ll be cute and close in some scenes and then renet will act like she’s just humoring him while mikey kinda forgets about her when shini shows up.

i think renetangelo is cute to some extent (tho i do dislike 2012 mikey a bit so that doesn’t help) but time travel romances are automatically rlly hard to write well and since 2012’s romance writing is already messy, they weren’t going to do well. and renet herself is automatically more interesting when she’s not interacting with mikey. like her platonic dynamic with leo?? adorable. my favorite renet is 2003 and she’s not a love interest and she’s so charming!! renet is just a fun quirky friend of the turtles.

y’all know i love a lot of tmnt love interests so the fact that i prefer renet as a friend prolly says a lot about how she should be written gjdkdk

i don’t wanna talk about leo/rai much, but other than the glaringly bad i/ncest issue (both siblings and cousins), they just weren’t very good as a romantic dynamic either?

like yeah i’m biased bc lotus is the only leo love interest i will ever accept (and also leo/rai is gross lol)

but like ,,, with karai, leo saw her as an escape from being a leader so he can explore his rebellious streak. which is interesting! but unlike with lotus, leo was willing to betray her behind her back, and karai was willing to manipulate him to do what she wanted him to. but okay that’s getting off topic. back to the pacing,,

season 1 gets a pass for me since i actually love the pacing of season 1 alone (like honestly, after the cousin reveal, there wasn’t any romance up until season 2 from my memory,, and even before that after karai betrayed leo and the other brothers found out, leo wasn’t into her,, it was his brothers who were making fun of him), but afterwards, season 2 onward,the timing of leo/rai moments were always a slap in the face bc they were always. ALWAYS. right after they acknowledged her as family THRJEKSJDJDKSK

but yeah i think pacing is the worst problem of 2012 ships :p

obviously some other problems too, like sexism lol. but pacing is most glaring for me

#im ranting idk #tmnt #tmnt 2012 #pumpkin stuff #tmnt ships #apritello #apriltello #tmnt ramona #raphmona #renetangelo #shiniangelo #shinangelo #anti leorai #i aint actually tagging the ship yjdjdjsk

[fabuloustrash05]

Finding out the host of TMayNT is a 2012 Leor*i shipper:

#they are SIBLINGS people!! #I don’t really wanna be involved in this event anymore #you guys do you #I’ll support my fellow artist but in no way am I supporting a person like that #I feel gross #tmaynt #tmaynt 2024 #tmnt #teenage mutant ninja turtles #tmnt 2012 #anti leorai #tmnt leonardo #tmnt leo #tmnt karai

[tmntforeverinmyheart]

Hi…

So I understand there’s a celebratory challenge for 40 years of tmnt called “tmaynt”

I have been made aware by a friend on insta that the creator of the challenge mikasleaf is Tmnt 2012 leo*ai shipper and they are fully aware that leo and karai are a toxic relationship regardless of the incest or not. Which is disgusting in its own right.

(If you continue to do the challenge that’s fine I understand it’s ment to be a fun challenge for lovers of tmnt, not hating on you for that :)

If you didn’t know and now you do and continue to support them and their art, I do not want you here.

Leo*ai shippers DNI leo*ai defenders DNI

they are siblings who call the same man father!!!

#tmnt 2012 #tmaynt #is disgusting #I hate you leorai shippers!!! #tmnt rant #anti leorai #anti incest

[radicaldadood]

Imagine 2k12 Leorai actually happened and we gladly let big sis rise April beat the shit out of em like she did to her 2k12 self

#even if they aint canon we still let her beat em #tis why they made rise leo gay #anti leorai #rottmnt april #tmnt leo #tmnt karai #save rottmnt #tmnt 2012 #tmnt 2018 #rottmnt #tmnt #teenage mutant ninja turtles #rise of the tmnt #rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles #tmnt april

[bisexualmultifandommess]

I’m sorry but has everyone seen this entry about Leo and Karai on TV Tropes 💀

How can you write brother-sister team and romantic relationship in the same sentence and think that’s okay lmao this ship is so weird

#idk what this show was thinking lmao #like that’s his sister #this ship is actually the worst #I don’t like any romance for the brothers but this is terrible #teenage mutant ninja turtles #ninja turtles #tmnt #tmnt 2012 #tmnt leonardo #karai tmnt #anti leorai

[domesticatedpigeonsoup]

wouldn't 2012! leo and karai be at least somewhat related? like 2012! mutagen worked by combining dna of you and often times the last thing you were in contact with. 2012! were last touched by splinter which made them into human turtle hybrids, meaning they have some of his dna. so leo has splinter's dna in his system which would make him genetically related to karai which would make leorai into actual incest

#2012 tmnt #2012 leo #leonardo hamato #leorai anti #anti leorai #teenage mutant ninja turtles #karai 2012 #hamato karai #also sorry if this makes no sense i am very sick atm

[tmnt2012karaifan]

For those of you who think Leo and Karai are ok because they aren't BIoloGicALlY ReLAteD

Just think

biological sisters (or brothers) that were seperate at both

Would it be ok if they fell in love?

If your answer is no, and your excuse is because they are biologically related... Well... Biologically doesn't matter when they won't be able to have any children, so really what's the big deal?

What's the difference between that and Leo and Karai? When blood no longer plays a factor.

#Anti leorai #Tmnt #Tmnt 2012 #Karai #Leo

[gritsandbrits]

2012 tmnt catching fire for its dumb leorai shilling and obsessive creep Donnie we love to see it.

#also 2012 april got on my nerves she was only there to be sassy&powerful (and a trophy for a stupid love triangle) #anti leorai #anti apritello #tmnt salt #i still love the show but i have to shave off its horrible parts

[possible-eldritch-god]

I'm so normal about Leorai /s hi I know I haven't posted in forever but here's a shipkid :) his name is Hamato Amai! all of us tried really hard on this piece so eat your food

#leorai #tmnt 2012 #teenage mutant ninja turtles #proship art #antis dni #dead dove club #leonardo 2012 #leo x karai #oroku karai #hamato leonardo

[donnitellooo]

A day ago I had a fight with an anti of RaMona, now I wonder, how can they hate such a beautiful ship and love incest? because I clarify that the one I fought with loves the leorai.

#tmnt 2012 #tmnt ramona #raph x mona #teenage mutant ninja turtles

[leorai4life]

Analysing Leorai - differentiating rumours from reality (a 3 part analysis)

Introduction

To this day, Leorai (2012) remains a controversial ship as many view it as incestrious and therefore taboo. I understand why many would view it as much - especially if those in question haven't watched the 2012 show - and that without proper analysis the concept of "adoptive brother and sister in love" sounds pretty bad. However, I for one can say with certainty that Leorai is not a ship that is not as simple as revolving around two adopted siblings in love - as characters, be it platonically or romantically, Leo and Karai's relationship has many layers that cannot be dulled down to being one thing or the other.

Before I start this analysis, I just want to say if you're an anti Leorai shipper or just not a big fan of shipping in general, that's cool! I'm not trying to convince you to like this ship or anything - however I do hope that in reading this you can learn to respect those who do ship it.

Aspect Analysis 1 - Siblings? So, a common argument for why Leorai is "wrong" is that it's promoting incest. Well let's look at Leo and Karai's parental relationships and discuss that:

Although they both technically share a father, Splinter is barely granted the chance to form a paternal bond with Karai due to the fact that he didn't get to raise her, nor spend time with her once the truth had been revealed. Even when she was brought back to the lair and reunited with her blood father, she still chose getting vengeance over getting to know and love her blood father. Leo on the other hand was raised by Splinter since he was a child and views him as his beloved father and sensei. He looks up to his adoptive father for guidance and emotional support; he is Leo's role model, and essentially all Leo wishes to be as the new sensei.

When we compare the bond Leo has with Splinter to Karai's, Leo had more experience being Splinter's son/ward than Karai did. Even Splinter's death had more of an impact on Leo than it did Karai; Leo was filled with anger and despair and continued to "talk" to Splinter when seeking guidance, whilst upon hearing of his death Karai's response was more reserved than distraught. This is an understandable reaction, as within a couple of weeks Karai had had her whole life exposed as a lie, became a mutant, got brainwashed and on top of all that didn't even get to form an emotional and parental connection with her one true father before he too was taken from her. So yeah, it's no wonder she wasn't able to emotionally process his death like the others did (heck, even April and Casey are more bonded with Splinter than Karai is).

So to relate back to my initial point of both Leo and Karai technically sharing a father, they each share him for a different reason: Leo is Splinter's son by a lifelong bond, whilst Karai is Splinter's daughter by blood. This difference in reasoning does not make either one of them any less of Splinter's child, but this difference does make them be less seen as siblings from each other's POV. Leo was raised with his blood-brothers by the same father/sensei, under the same roof and with a shared family dynamic - so he of course views them as siblings. This is why something like Raph x Leo differs drastically from Leorai as Raph and Leo have always treated one another as siblings because it's what they're used to - so turning that dynamic romantic would make both of them extremely uncomfortable. However, Karai enters the Turtles' lives when they're well into their teens - aka, when they're beyond extreme (emphasis on extreme) influence. On top of that, her first introduction to them was 'Shredder's daughter'/'a Foot Clan kunoichi' - so taking her home and attempting to accept her as a sister didn't really work as there was an already established family dynamic between the brothers and Splinter which Karai hadn't been around to be a part of. This is why she's mainly viewed as a close friend/distant family by the bois (although bless Mikey for at least ATTEMPTING to give her the opportunity to be their sister).

Karai even distances herself from forming any sort of familial bond with the Turtles by refusing to join their Dojo and rarely instigating missions with them unless absolutely desperate - instead she opts to rebuild the Foot Clan under her rule and take her life into her own hands. And if anything, she builds herself in the image of The Shredder - a powerful leader with an arsenal of ninjas at her disposal - but with the heart and honour of her father. When Mikey queried why Karai didn't come home with them, Leo states "Well, she's not a little kid anymore - she wants to take control of her own life"; in a way, this indicates that Karai doesn't want the burden of being a part of a family. Perhaps after living a life of lies under a tyrannical "father" she just wanted to be her own person on her own - literally (well, aside from Shini).

So to answer the query of "Aren't they technically siblings?" the answer is logically no, as they do not share a sibling bond psychologically or even biologically; Leo is literally a giant talking turtle mutant...she's a human-mutant hybrid...they literally could not be more NOT related lol.

Anyways, onto the next point:

Aspect Analysis 2 - "The Turtles are blood relatives of Splinter"

I see a lot of antis use this point in an argument, saying that the Turtles share blood with Splinter so they are blood relatives.

Now speaking specifically about the 2012 show, we never get an official confirmation that the brothers and Splinter share blood. I've even searched interviews with Ciro Nieli and the most he's said is that "All the turtles share a piece of Splinter" - though he was talking trait-wise...so...yeah.

My personal view is that since they are linked to the last thing they touched (be it the pet store owner, a bunch of curious kids or Splinter himself), I do believe they share a connection with Splinter - but not in the sense that the same blood runs through their veins. I believe that when the Turtles and Splinter mutated, the Turtles humanoid appearance was created by the shared contact of the pet store owner, curious kids, and of course Splinter. The mutagen used the fundamentals of all these humans' DNA to basically ~evolutionise~ the Turtles into their humanoid selves (think of it as though they're a combination of turtle and a dose of general human DNA).

As far as I can tell, the only thing the human interaction with Hamato Yoshi (Splinter) got them is some of his core traits - a sense of honour and leadership for Leo, a fierce and protective fighting spirit for Raph, creativity and ability to improvise when under pressure for Mikey, and ingenuity for Donnie. Physically, it seems only Donnie gained something from Splinter (his reddish-brown eyes and natural tall stature) whilst the other brothers must have gained their distinctive physical traits from the other human contacts; such as Mikey, Raph and Leo having different eye colours than Splinter, Mikey's freckles, and Donnie's overbite and gap tooth. My personal headcanon is that Mikey got his empathic traits and love for pets from the pet shop owner hehe.

So essentially Splinter's foundational pieces of DNA helped to shape their roles on the team (leader, warrior, inventor and creative-and-spontaneous-ball-of-butt-kicking).

I guess a question would be "but if they all did a blood test, would Splinter be found to be related????" - my answer to that is yes, though very distantly, as their main DNA result would be a turtle (duh...) whilst the rest is a jumble of the other humans' DNA. Think of it as though you did a DNA test and got a match with a bunch of random people - it is possible to share a small amount of DNA with someone and not be related. In other words, it's possible to share genetic material and not share a common ancestor or any identifiable genealogical connection.

Aspect Analysis 3 - "INCEST!"?

This relates back to point 1 where I discussed whether Leo and Karai see each other as siblings and whether shipping them should be considered promotion of incestrious behaviours. This answer is actually really simple: no, Leorai does not encourage incest.

Why not? Because incest, by definition means "sexual relations between people classed as being too closely related to marry each other". And guess what? Not only are Leo and Karai not closely related, but they never did the deed, or even kissed. They didn't even become 'official' official in the show, so calling Leorai incest is not a fact.

In all honesty, Leorai is my favourite ship of the show because unlike the other ships they didn't need to be physical with each other (e.g. kissing, arms around each other, tight hugs, carrying in arms) to show the audience that they cared deeply for one another. They showed their love through emotional connection and the "little things". Leorai is much like Zutara for me in this sense; I'm happy with what we got because it felt more like two characters building a genuine connection that would lead to an eventual romantic relationship (be it in show or not) than having to shove it in our faces that "tHEY'rE iN LOve beCaUSe tHEy KisSed!" (*cough* Kataang).

If you as a writer can make two characters have a romantic connection without having to make them get physical then you know you've written a relationship - heck, you know you've written the characters - right. And my personal headcanon is that Leo and Karai would share an asexual relationship eventually; no smut, just wholesome love :3

To conclude: Leorai is not incest. Not biologically, not psychologically, and not even romantically. I know not everyone will agree with this as many prefer to just stick with the most popular opinion so they don't cause controversy and that's fine - but heck, I'm tired of hiding my love for this ship cuz "I'll upset someone". That someone can be offended all they want, but I'm still not gonna change myself to suit their agenda.

I'm too old to keep getting involved in anti-ship nonsense (in ANY fandom, tbh), so if you're an anti reading this I'm not gonna try fight your opinion. You can have it, and I'll respect it cuz it's your opinion. I just hope that one day we as the internet can evolve to a point where we're smart enough to just not actively search for something we despise and only focus on what makes us happy.

As for my fellow Leorai shippers- thank you for reading my ramble! I love and appreciate all of you that continue to stand by this ship, and I hope to give you more Leorai content soon! Hopefully one that isn't a ramble, haha 💙🖤

Thanks again for reading, and have a good day/evening!

#leorai #tmnt leorai #leorai 2012 #leo x karai #tmnt leo x karai #tmnt 2k12 #tmnt 2012 #tmnt leo #tmnt leonardo #tmnt leo 2012 #tmnt karai #tmnt karai 2012 #ship rant #otp #ship essay #character analysis #tmnt analysis #leorai rant #leorai essay

[pumpkinpie59]

btw if you’re gonna make fun of leo for crushing on karai you should also make fun of karai for flirting with him and encouraging it :/

#tmnt #tmnt 2012 #tmnt leonardo #oroku karai #tmnt karai #anti leorai #pumpkin stuff

[justaturtleindisguise]

Figured it was time to make a little introduction !! :D

Hi everyone!! I'm new on Tumblr and still getting to know how stuff works around here :) My english is kinda wonky, so please be patient with me!

I'm a little brasilian critter called by many names, the main ones being Thales, Thai or Tê, but y'all can call me Tata too! I'm autistic and have a invisible disability!

I'm a gerderfluid creature that goes by he/them/she. I don't use any neopronouns, but that's because I'm too lazy to colect cool ones hehee. I love and respect all my homies with the cool neopronouns !!!

I'm a polyamorous pansexual and ace :)

I take long a time to answer messages sometimes due to anxiety (and i'm also very forgetful-) so please be kind, i'm not ignoring ya i'm just a tidbit slow :)

MY TMNT AU MASTERPOST

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ROTTMNT, BayTMNT and TMNT12, trying to get time and watch all others;

Mob Psycho 100;

Our Flag Means Death;

Good Omens;

QSMP;

DoroHeDoro;

I'm cool interacting with any iteration of TMNT, even tho I not very familiar with all of them, I love turtles and that's what matters. I'm not really a TOH fan, but I know tidbits about it and think is a good show in general, same goes for Amphibia and MGDD

✧ﾟ✧ﾟ✧ﾟ✧ﾟ✧ﾟLittle things about me✧ﾟ✧ﾟ✧ﾟ✧ﾟ✧ﾟ

My favorite color is pink, my girl kisser awakening was Lady Dimitrescu and my favorite thing besides turtles is character designing!

I love drawing extremelly big, tall, and strong characters, pretty women and disabled characters :D I might post my character designs and OCs if u guys are interested too

I have 3 cats, Maria Señorita, Frederico and Teodoro.

I talk in the third person a lot, like: "Tata loves this" or "Thales' not feeling so well today".

I dream of being big, buff and so gender that everyone around me is confused (also working on animation lmao).

I'm okay with friendly flirting in a platonic way, but please don't be pushy with me. Some jokes might make me uncomfortable, and I will make sure to make it clear if it happens.

I LOVE to interact and to read comments, even if it's just the silly tags!! Asks make me very happy, so feel free to send 'em!! :D

❌❌ DNI LIST ❌❌

Proship - Tcest/incest - anti-jews - anti-muslims - transphobes/homophobes - people that don't respect neo-pronouns - people that make fun of tone tags - anti-spectrum - TERFs - Pedophiles/MAPS - Noncon/r-pe play - z00philes - nazis - Zionist/Pro-Israel I also don't want to interact with Rise Apriltello and 12!Leorai. They're siblings. Shipping them is creepy and wrong.

I will not tolerate any interaction with any of you. I hate you and want you very far from me /srs

This also aply for neutral/"anti-anti" people. I don't care what excuses u use, being tolerable and apologist for all this stuff is not okay and just as wrong as them. Stay away.

if any of my moots/followers ever see me following one of the above, please tell me because I would never follow someone like this knowingly!!

On a lighter note, I don't have anything against NSFW artists who do safe, sane stuff with adult characters. Y'all are cool.

[zoraphz]

Intro !!

Hi I'm Mar or Marleen !! I use she/he and xe/xem pronouns and I'm 15 years old.

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I like TMNT, ITSV & ATSV, DC, ATLA/TLOK, Sally Face, and many more !! My posts will mainly be TMNT though, since that is my special interest :)

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DNI!!!!

DSMP Fans (especially Jschlatt, Dream, and Tommyinnit Fans)

Proshippers , Tcesters, and Neutrals

2k12 April Haters

Racists, Homophobes, Xenophobes, basic DNI criteria

xenogender and neopronoun antis

people who believe in 'blackwashing'

Leorai shippers

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I mainly made this to post my art and just figure out what this app is lol

I really like comics and TMNT obviously and yeah !!

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I am will be more active on my tiktok zoraphz where i post art and edits so yeah !!!

#introducing post #intro post #tmnt

[brightlotusmoon]

Now personally tcest makes me very uncomfortable because I truly only see them as brothers. Might be because I am an only child but always wanted brothers and don’t have a father in my life. So I feel like I was drawn to tmnt for the family aseptic of the show. That includes found family with April and Casey. I also am upset with how they handled Leorai in the 2012 series because they had such good chemistry. But honestly how I see it is if you don’t like something block it or ignore it. How my friend explained it to me was people can write triggering and uncomfortable things as long as they tag it correctly. For example, I hate All Might x Deku (pedo ship) but I don’t go looking for it! People send death threats to children who are sometimes coping with abuse. Like instead of exampling why it is bad to ship it or trying to help them find resources (because a child sometimes doesn’t know where to look for those things) You send death threats!? Ugh sorry for the rant. Antis are annoying but people who don’t like tcest I feel is valid as long as they just ignore or block the content.

Agreed, absolutely, valid as hell.

Discomfort and squick are both quite different from hate and publicly admitting you want to murder people for their headcanons that you don't like. The old rule of Don't Like Don't Read. And the other side is Tag Responsibly. An incredible amount of people completely ignore both.