#anti hashimada

[mdr-reikas]

Sometimes you can tell very clearly when a shipper only likes the idea of a ship, but doesn't like one of the actual characters involved in the ship. I see this most with sns/hsmd where people like the idea of the ship, but they very obviously don't like Sasuke or Madara, so they'll basically just make an OC and strip them of all the nuance they have as characters.

And this annoys me so much with sns/hsmd specifically because Sasuke and Madara are some of the best written, most interesting characters this show has to offer, but instead of appreciating that, half of the fandom is busy stripping away every interesting detail about Sasuke and Madara, just so they can fuck their best friend.

#madara #madara uchiha #pro madara #pro sasuke #anti sns #anti hashimada #anti hsmd #its just kinda sad to see all the mischaracterization #i wish people would set their oh so high and mighty morals aside for one second and let mdr be mer #let mdr be himself PLEASE

[ricanvvas]

Following up with my previous blog,

This doesn’t just apply to one fandom, it applies to every anime fandom. Majority of the popular anime are about teamwork and friendship that portray strong platonic relationships.

Yes, surprisingly (for you), friends can feel heavily for each other without romance involved,

Yes, surprisingly (for you), males can be more than a romantic partner or homosexually involved, they are allowed to have best friends they deeply care about. The belief that males can only be involved in forms of romance or sexually is very toxic and misogynistic.

And yes, surprisingly (for you), it is completely possible (and common) for male best friends to be hung up on the other if they lose them. It is genuinely disgusting to twist grieving into something romantic.

Platonic relationships can be just as strong, if not, stronger than romantic ones. Because platonic relationships can be pushed further into sibling-hood.

Genuinely shameful. It’s like these people have never experienced a strong friendship. And to turn an anime that solely focuses on friendship and teamwork into something entirely else—seriously?

Leave the characters and the story be. It’s embarrassing.

#anime #anime fandom #anti satosugu #anti sugusato #anti sasunaru #anti narusasu #anti obikaka #anti kakaobi #anti hashimada #anti madahashi #the list goes on #it’s embarrassing #just stop #grow up #platonic relationships can be just as strong #anti kagehina #anti dazai x chuuya #jjk #jujutsu kaisen #naruto #haikyu #bungou stray dogs

[leportraitducadavre]

no I will not expand on this as of yet but madara was a means to an end for hashirama, once he built konoha, madara lost some of his value, which is why hashirama stopped taking him into account and prioritized his brother. madara fighting hashirama is, in a sense, his way to try to reconnect the bond they had prior to konoha's foundation, as it was when they fought when hashirama mostly acknowledged him.

edit to clarify a bit on this topic because it seems important to me to do so, in no way am I making a value judgment on this reasoning as both madara and hashirama grew up within a context of clan warfare where friendships between individuals or families were based on the possibility of mutual aid or the complementation of different tactics or powers in regards of such individuals having similar goals. me pointing out this characterization is not to try to denigrate their relationship nor to diminish hashirama's humanity but to provide a more objective view of their bond.

#anti hashimada #i guess #madara uchiha #madara #anti konoha #hashirama #hashirama senju

[anubisthe1]

I'm tired of hashimada ff. All they do is make hashirama manipulate madara and gaslight him into thinking that he is the crazy one.

#madara uchiha #hashirama #i mean you didnt have to get that close to canon anyway #no cause hasnt madara suffered enough for the ff authors to put him in more pain #anti hashimada #you cant win if you like madara

[naruto-shipping-confessions]

#hashimito #anti hashimada

[narutoshippingpolls]

#naruto #polls #hashirama senju #madara uchiha #hashimada #madahashi #anti hashimada

[slowlysointernet]

Just read a stupid take by some Hashimada fan say that Marada loved/cared more for Hashirama than his brothers because he awoke the sharingan when they broke their friendship. 🤦‍♀️ Too much shipping goggles.

#Naruto #Uchiha Madara #Madara #Senju Hashirama #Hashimada #Madahashi #Anti Hashimada

[donotpercieveme123]

Just personal musings, so don't come for me. It's always annoyed me when ppl dismiss tbzu as being a shallow imitation of hsmd, because they are so different! And because I find tbzu to be so much more compelling (and honestly compatible) than hsmd. They have so much potential, and their dynamic is just infinitly more entertaining and meaningful to me.

Once together, tbzu would last because they are drawn to each other for who they are. They hold similar positions, worldviews, and personalities. They are foils and see themselves in each other. They're similar enough to inevitably find deep understanding and companionship in each other (whether or not they resent it at first). But also different enough to be drawn to and challenge each other. They very much are their own complete person, but they also fit together in all the ways that matter, meeting their need for connection and prority. Which would be a deep source of personal resentment and tension between them as enemies, but which also proves to be a strong foundation to build a lifelong partnership on. One that is both secure but also bat shit insane with how obsessively possessive they would be.

And this is after they have already accepted the things they hate about the other. They've seen the ugliest sides of each other, of themselves mirrored back at them, and came out of it challenged, seen, and accepted. The closest shinobi can get to seeing each other's guts and sharing a drink. They are also a lot less idealistic than hsmd. They would be able to accept that peace is never truly possible, and instead of sacrificing everything trying to grasp it regardless, they would stand side by side and work with what they have.

Hsmd, however, would not last because the greatest thing holding them together is a vague dream and shared grief (which is only mutual as far as wanting peace and losing brothers goes). Something that is hard to imagine is remotely unique to them. U can't tell me no one else in their time lost family and wanted to escape the conflict causing their suffering. The most that sets hsmd apart is that they have the power to take matters into their own hands. ('We'll become so strong they have to listen to us' and all that). The kinship and affection would be of secondary importance, their dream always coming first. Once they're no longer on the same page, or even prove to be a threat to the other, it becomes far too inevitable for them to either leave and/ or to sacrifice the other to protect that dream. Choosing to instead treasure a brief nostalgic memory of who they were as children.

(Btw still very fond of hsmd (mostly as kids, or tragic), and it's what got me into the founders fandom in the first place. It's one of my favourite ships, but the 'their love could have fixed everything' narrative is really starting to get on my nerves, especially if it's unjustifiably bashing tobirama or izuna.)

#tobiizu #platonic tobiizu #anti hashimada #ig?? just putting it there for filtering if ppl don't want to see any negativity

[sharinganbitch]

Hashirama did not deserve Madara, and Naruto doesn't deserve Sasuke

this may be the rawest unpopular opinion yet. i can't really comment on the hashimada part because i haven't reached their arc in my shippuden rewatch and i don't think i really cared much about them as a teen during my first watch-through. i'm a diehard sns shipper and have been since og naruto but i'd be lying if i said that i haven't had the same thought about sns specifically when it comes to naruto being portrayed as, like, tempering sasuke or convincing him to adhere to the shinobi system status quo. i personally see naruto as loving sasuke for who he is, and i wish that that would have extended to include sasuke's anarchism and all that it entails.

#anti hashimada #anti sns #again hope that i'm tagging appropriately

[mdr-reikas]

100% agreed on the whole way naruto shippers clearly do not actually care about or like madara and sasuke. for example fucking sasusaku shippers clearly do not notice or care about how sasuke is miserable fighting for some village that ruined his life and that no one knows the truth about the uchiha massacre they just see him as some strong skinny twink bishie boi who is only nice to their precious self insert sakura they see him as a thing for sakura. don't even get me started on fucking tobirama x madara or the toxic tobirama stans in general, i have seen horrific shit of madara being violently raped by tobirama on ao3 as a punishment of his crime for "being an uchiha who hasn't been humbled". the sad thing is that i have seen crossover romance shipping fanfic that actually respects both madara and sasuke as characters (making sure they ain't OOC or stripped of their nuance/personality) and they have more chemistry with characters from different anime/manga series. both madara and sasuke deserve better from this damn fandom than just being hashirama and naruto's cute little waifus who constantly get kidnapped like Princess Peach and get pregnant with uchiha babies like a fucking Uchiha baby factory.

So real!!! I think one of the reasons why this happens sometimes is because a lot of naruto fans/shippers are very pro konoha, so anything that Madara or Sasuke do is instantly a crime against humanity to them, so in order to make their ship work they have to take their morals and issues away from Madara and Sasuke, so they "aren't evil" anymore.

Also, that last part about t*birama/madara is so true. I mean, aside the fact that Madara would never be able to forgive him for killing Izuna, Tobirama also just had zero respect for him as a person. Tobirama felt no empathy for the Uchiha, and to pretend that he would set that aside for Madara is just insane to me. It's fine as a crack ship or if you write it to be intentionally toxic (which can be fun sometimes), but just taking away all the nuance these two characters have to make them fuck??? why?? Like, with hsmd I atleast understand where people are coming from, childhood friends trope and all, but what is the appeal of tobimada? No one who actually likes Madara would be able to ship tobimada, and no one who actually likes Sasuke would be able to ship sasusaku.

Madara and Sasuke definitely deserved sooo much better, they deserved loving people who actually respected them and their dreams (and no hsrm did not respect mdr's dreams while he was still in the village let's not play pretend).

#madara #uchiha madara #madara uchiha #anti tobirama #anti tobimada #anti sasusaku #anti sasunaru #anti sns #anti hsmd #anti hashimada #anti hashirama #so many anti tags dear lord #but yk id rather spam some tags than have some pro (any of the above) person trying to start an argument with me #pro sasuke #anti konoha #pro madara #asks

[0ynes]

Kishimoto having both Hashirama and Naruto only get married when Madara and Sasuke leave Konoha makes me giggle. We get it, both Hashirama and Naruto were heart broken and settled with women, because they couldn't run from heteronormativity and their one and only left.

The way Mito doesn't show up at all in Hashirama and Madara's backstory. It's not Kishi hate for woman, she just doesn't matter lmaooo. And don't get me started on The Last and the need to make a whole movie to justify naruhina, after Naruto left her on read when she said she loves him.

#hashimada #madahashi #sasunaru #narusasu #sns #sasunarusasu #narusasunaru #naruto #sasuke #hashirama #hashirama senju #senju hashirama #madara uchiha #uchiha madara #uchiha sasuke #sasuke uchiha #uzumaki naruto #naruto uzumaki #anti naruhina #madara

[obitoslover]

but like what if madara did actually got pregnant with hashirama's baby?...how would tobirama react, how would fhe rest of senju and uchiha react? will the child have rinnegan and be the most op character in the entire naruto verse?

Anon, I honestly don't know...

Like, to begin with, we would have to think when and how this even happened. My "easiest" option would be making Madara trans, because there's no way they would have hormone therapy in their era😭 When that happened is tricky, because in canon they never were this close, but for the fanfic's sake let's just say it was after Konoha was founded (and iirc in canon Mito wasn't married to Hashirama yet)

I think Tobirama, like the rest of the Senju and the Uchiha, wouldn't be... accepting, because even if we consider there was no homophobia at the time (which I doubt), there's still the distrust against each other, but maybe they could accept taking it as a "guarantee" of the truce? That's how marriage kinda used to work anyway. But Tobirama wouldn't think like that, he would think of this child like a threat, like it's the child of two powerhouses, one of them being an Uchiha(!!), so he would want to keep an eye on them. If he would like his niece/nephew afterwards, I don't know, I guess it depends of which parent they would look like the most XD

About powers, I think the rinnegan needs the actual chakra, right? So this child wouldn't awake the rinnegan, even in an almost death situation, but they definitely would be op, maybe just not the strongest character of the verse, because both Madara and Hashirama don't have all their powers genetically determined, it also has the training component

Anyway, I hope my answer satisfied you, anon (wish I could know if you're a mutual or not)

#i just woke up #why am i doing this to myself? #funny thing to think but is that really what i am in my blog? #anyway #madahashi #hashimada #tw pregnancy #trans madara #anti tobirama #not an anti post but the way i talk about him could trigger his fand #*fans #so i'm just being cautious

[cocoacat323]

I live my truth, and my truth is that I hate boruto and pretend it doesn't exist unless it's in those cringy gacha reacts thingys where I watch them get forced to see how much better Naruto is than they will ever be.

#naruto #sasuke uchiha #uchiha clan #madara uchiha #sakura #naruto uzumaki #hashimada #narusasu #sasusaku #boruto naruto next generations #anti boruto #gacha club #gacha react

[naruto-shipping-confessions]

#anti hashimada #anti madahashi

[zeherili-ankhein]

People who ship HashiMada and SasuNaru do they realise that Indra and Asura were brothers? Or do they simply not care?

Isn't shipping them kinda weird to you?

#naruto #sasuke #hashirama #madara #indra #asura #narutoverse #they were brothers reincarnated #it's anti sasunaru ig.... #and anti hashimada too.... #i had to change the tags #because people were getting offended #but sorry if any shippers get offended #i am genuinely curious as to what people think

[slowlysointernet]

Why do some Madara x Hashirama shippers downplay or minimize Madara’s love of Izuna? Is it because they want Hashirama to be the center of Madara’s world therefore he's a threat?Kind of like how some Sasuke x Naruto shippers minimize the emotional importance Itachi or the Uchiha clan for Sasuke. Or Sasuke x Itachi shippers do with Naruto or the clan. Or Sasuke x Sakura shippers with Itachi, the clan and Naruto.

#Naruto #Hashimada #Madahashi #Uchiha Izuna #Uchiha Madara #Senju Hashirama #Anti Hashimada #Anti Shipping