#and really misogynistic

[artificial-ascension]

Being transmasc means you will hear people say shit to you with their whole chest that, if they said to a cis woman, would get them on a block list of raging misogynists instantly also you are also on that block list for bringing this up.

#transmasc #trans rights #trangender #transandrophobia #and I specify cis women because I rarely see people defend trans women so aggressively #unless they can attack another trans person in the process in which case they suddenly become trans women's greatest supporters #but otherwise they seem to just get similar treatment #of really weird misogynistic comments then being insulted if they don't just accept it

[bixels]

Why the hell, shit, you damned bastard son of a bitch

#personal #delete later #before you ask “why're you posting on reddit bix of course you're gonna get comments like this” #it's cuz it's really low stakes and easy to just throw your art on subs for visibility #and i legitimately love getting batshit insane comments like this because they always read like a copypasta #this isn't hatemail to me this is a reason to live laugh love #like we ALL know independent_lime4943 is misogynistic and racist we don't need to discuss it we can just laugh at him #thank you independent_lime4943 your comments were immediately deleted by moderators but i was lucky enough to #catch them as an email notification. damned bastard son of a bitch

[revvethasmythh]

You know, I think there's something so, so insidious to the idea that Orym's perspective of the Vanguard is "flawed/human" or that him repeatedly reminding his friends what the Vanguard does (kill innocents to achieve their means) "blocks nuance" in the conversation, etc, because it implies that, in this mythical "objective" perspective that apparently exists, the Vanguard aren't so bad. If only Orym could put aside his petty grievances, such as the murder of his father and husband, and let people be nuanced about this situation, he'd see there's two sides to this story. And why discount the Vanguard's perspective just because *checks notes* they're a massive, manipulative cult that preys on vulnerable people to join their ranks and turns them to violence, or that they work with a centuries-old fascist eugenicist literally mind-controlling psychic government with the goal of freeing a creature that could very well destroy the world as we know it and even if it doesn't, will leave an enormous power vacuum for that fascist government to potentially occupy when they invade Exandria?

I think there's some misconception people have that they think war shouldn't ever be personal and if it does become personal for someone then their logic is too clouded by their feelings to see the situation clearly, just automatically. And perhaps sometimes, in some contexts, this can be true! But not here. It's actually quite cut and dried that Orym's "flawed, human" perspective is the one reminding everyone of the human cost to Ludinus' grand plans, all in the name of so called "progress"

#not to mention so many of the people i see saying stuff like this are the first to call you misogynist for hot takes such as #''liliana seems untrustworthy and in WAY too deep in this cult in a ways that is actually genuinely scary'' #i'm so serious about this you guys. this is an autoblock topic for me. if i see people talking shit they are GONE #i'm done with the orym discourse i am sick of it #thankfully i haven't seen much of it on tumblr but GOD on twitter. jesus god in motherfucking heaven #cr spoilers #not really but just in case

[menlove]

another thing i've Witnessed in all spheres of modern feminism is who gets afforded the grace of "internalized misogyny" vs who just gets called a "misogynist"

like if you are a feminine cis girl (& usually white too) all your sexist bullshit is excused as internalized misogyny that was pushed on them by a sexist society that they have to unlearn but in the meantime we cannot hold them accountable or be too mean to them bc they're traumatized and trying :((((( so if you call out their sexism, YOU are in fact being a woman-hating bitch/dyke/etc who hates girls and girlhood

but...... if you are a trans woman or you're butch or a stud or a woman of color and you say anything even perceived as sexist, oh no no you do NOT get the grace of "internalized misogyny". you don't get time to learn or grow. you are a sexist and you should be shot and you might as well be a man.

and usually the latter group's "misogyny" is just pointing out the other group's double standards and sexism which gets us called not girls girls and "pick-mes" (used wrong) and sexist etc. like sometimes obviously we ARE misogynistic, everyone is, but usually it's over the dumbest shit and even in the cases where someone in the latter group is being genuinely sexist, they are NOT given the same grace as the former group

#sorry ive been on a feminism kick lately it's an autism mode rn but like. i have so many thoughts constantly just rattling around in there #discourse cw #but i REALLY noticed this one w my infamous post abt girl dinner lmfaooooo #the amount of ppl in those notes being like how dare you theyre traumatized by girlhood you fucking misogynist #like. do you not see the double standard there or.... no? okay

[lollytea]

Ngl I think I hate performative girlbossification of female characters more than I hate people not including said female characters in their fan content. Actually I don't care at all if they're indifferent to her. Who gives a fuck. Like I'd respect it more if they're like "ngl I just don't give a shit about her" with their whole chest, rather than being like "OMG I LOVE HER SO MUCH!!!! She's perfect, she's best girl, she kicks ass [never talks about her ever and only includes her as a prop to examine the male characters they DO like]" just because they're scared of getting called misogynistic. Like if you know in your heart that this character means nothing to you and you know you're not gonna do her justice, might as well just leave her out. But attempts to shoehorn her in, using your 2015-feminist style characterization is so weak, man.

#i dont care much for men crazed misogynists in general #i hate them quite a bit actually #but fake people with performative opinions are really really aggravating to me

[the-woman-upstairs]

For anyone who likes romance and spies and yearning and a short king being completely head over heels for a woman that can (and does) kick his ass, Argylle is the movie for you. Feel like the marketing team is leaving money on the table by not appealing to the romance crowd that is crying out for more genuine love stories on film and the one in this movie is actually really sweet and features an attractive couple with actual personalities.

#argylle #argylle spoilers #i am notoriously harsh on m/f couples in film especially modern ones #but i really liked this one and loved how it felt like a real partnership #this movie is not gonna win any awards but it’s very cute and the action was fun #and bryce dallas howard getting to play a whole woman instead of a terrible string of misogynistic cliches in Jurassic World was refreshing #plus sam rockwell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chris pratt any day #i guess he’s only a ‘short king’ in comparison to other guys but you know what he’s basically an inch taller than bryce dallas howard #so i’m letting him keep the epithet especially since the other guys are much taller and more built

[mayasaura]

There's a fascinating double standard in a lot of the analysis of John's influence on the Nine Houses' society. Like, the role of cavaliers, the widespread commodification of the remains of the dead, these are all faults the Nine Houses have inherited directly from him. Fair enough. But the lack of gendered roles, the complete lack of male primogeniture, homophobia, or patriarchal family structures, these of course have nothing to do with John, who is definitely a misogynist.

edit: what I mean is that the stuff that makes it easy to hate John and frame him as a mustache twirling villain tends to be entirely credited to him, while complications to that narrative tend to fall by the wayside. this post has nothing to do with misandry and everything to do with craving nuance

#i have a lot of Thoughts on John's relationship to gender #and how deeply conflicted he is about it #none of which can be summarized by 'he's a misogynist' #anyway it really seems like things are only directly connected to John when they're used as proof of what a terrible villain he is #the lack of nuance.... #not maintagging this one lads

[druggeddraccus]

my mom and i watched these new firestarter and it was really good! it brought some new elements to the story

i think i want to try and read the book but idk stephen king is usually hit or miss with me

#he can’t get really boring #and really misogynistic #2022 dayss #june 5 2022

[devine-fem]

Oooooo 👀 you got me interested with cass, steph, dami and jon as a quad! The potential!!! 🤌

what type of shenanigans would they all get into?

How about a sleepover? scary stories?Gettin into trouble? The only quad to ever.

Someone asked about a sleepover so here: Damian thought it’d be a good idea to show Cass another form of visual presentation and expression through art like he likes to do but make it a game.

Bonus:

They got really tired after playing rooftop tag.

Art by @daughterzell - best fren.

#If Super Sons continued I feel like this would had been a fun crossover. There’s a lot to think about when it comes to each of them #interacting interchangeably but for the most part I really think they all could get along way better than the #batbrothers of the family excluding Dick the writers are just both racist and misogynistic #and refuse to acknowledge the woman in Bruce’s life that helped him grow ugh. #super sons #damian wayne #jon kent #supersons #jonathan kent #stephanie brown #cassandra cain #dc comics #dc fanart #not my art #asks #stephcass #jondami #damijon #<- both ships implied #batfam #batfamily

[chrollohearttags]

this whole Drake situation is the equivalent to when the popular kid got exposed for sum and everybody starts to turn on him like ‘I always knew he was weird’ after enabling their shitty behavior for years lmao. Grown ass niggas acting like high school.

#cherry chats 🍒 #I ain’t really care too much abt none of em tbh #just thought it was funny #like how long has he been sucking the culture dry and being a diet kite syrupy misogynist #and nobody said shit? Including kenny boy #where was that ‘you stole my culture’ bullshit for him? #or was that reserved for cardi bc his lil fellow bestie couldn’t make a hit anymore #this is why I only listen to independent artists outside of the women #they all make my coochie itch lmao #so y’all knew he was propositioning new female artsis for sex and stealing from them #y’all knew he was texting 15 year olds and attending high school bball games #but nobody said shit until *check notes* he dared call himself the top dog and y’all felt threatened? #unserious ass genre and unserious ass race of ppl I can’t dhkshdj #woke up in a haterrific mood today #as you can tell #anyways Meg I love you #you started this and had a better diss than all of them

[strrwbrrryjam]

one thing homophobic gamer bros like to say to those who headcanon arthur was gay/bi or ship charthur is that "arthur was likely homophobic bc a lot of people were back then" and like. no??? he wasn't???

arthur meets margaret, the mistress of danger and his reaction is not anger, nor any sort of discomfort around his presence, he's honestly mostly confused and exasperated at his personality, as arthurs old and tired and margaret very well isn't. he isn't cruel to margaret at all and bares no judgement, he only really gets annoyed when margaret says he shouldn't give him the emerald because his dad wouldn't want him to.

he meets mr black and mr white, two men who have recently escaped from prison and watches their relationship change from hatred to love in a handful of meetings, he helps them go on to live a better life and when he figures out that mr black and mr white are in a relationship with one another, he advises them to go and find somewhere safe and secluded because "a lot of people don't like people like him," actively warn them against the type of people the gamer bros accuse him to be.

charles châtenay, comes to arthur while disguised as a woman and all he really is, is confused. charles asks him to help and protect him and arthur does. charles kisses arthur and the only thing he tells him is that "do not do that again," he doesn't yell, he doesn't shoot charles, and he doesn't even stop helping him, all he asks him is to not do that again. he's not even that annoyed, even though he would have been justified to be annoyed in this instance since he wasn't consenting to the kiss.

throughout all of this, there's no anger or discomfort to this, he's just- mostly confused, and once he gets past his confusion, he helps them anyway, even giving them advice and well wishes for them to be safe during this hateful time.

its like- no brad, arthur wasn't homophobic, you are though, and you don't get to hide your homophobia and general discomfort with queer people with a character who rockstar tells you, with a handful of examples, that he has no judgement and hatred towards people who are queer.

#he would. however. shoot YOU brad. he has no tolerance for assholes. and you. are an asshole. #he's honestly as accepting as they come during the 1800s. and I'm tired of misogynistic and homophobic gamer bros assassinating #his character like that. its infuriating and really just reassures me that they do not get the character and the theme of the game at all. #rdr2 #red dead redemption 2 #rdr2 arthur morgan #arthur morgan #rdr2 mr margaret #mr marget #is it mr or mrs for margaret. idk #rdr2 mr black and mr white #mr black and mr white #rdr2 charles chatenay #charles chatenay #strawberry speaks

[gendiebrainrotreceipts]

Lmaoo they make it sound like I’m out here doxxing, harassing or threatening people when the extent of what I do is literally just ‘look at this bad take that is the product of gender ideology’

#‘personal information’ you make it sound as if I have their home address… #do you mean their blog name because that’s the extent of any personal info i have on people #why are they so dramatic all of the time…. #also idk what call out posts they’re talking about tbh…do they mean the receipt posts? idk #gendie brainrot receipts #gender critical #radfem safe #and op I really don’t have to look that hard for homophobic and misogynistic takes in gendie circles #nor is it aimed at any specific individual

[xebecdav]

wheatley comes to a pretty intense realization…

#xeb post #xeb art #portal 2 #wheatley #i think its really funny to make misogynist wheatley jokes sorry

[frost-faerie]

I swear there are some people out there who just cannot handle female mcyt's being good at PvP. It happened with hannahxxrose back in 2021 and now it's happening all over again with geminitay

#lots of fandom spaces are really internally misogynistic. in this essay i will #mcyt #mcytblr #hannahxxrose #geminitay #secret life

[stardust-falling]

Having more thoughts about Shen Jiu because of course I am.

I don’t think he has the capacity for empathy or genuine selflessness.

He spent the entirety of his formative years deep in survival mode, and because of that, he evaluates people solely based off of how they might threaten or ensure his safety and/or comfort. As far as individual people themselves with their own perspectives… honestly I don’t think he even thinks of that.

Maybe a controversial opinion, but I don’t think even YQY is exempt.

Shen Jiu doesn’t have a moral code. When every day is spent on surviving, a moral code is a luxury.

And really, he just never got out of that mode. See, the thing is, once you’ve had enough adverse experiences it only takes a little bit to trigger you back into that mindset. Shen Jiu was used to being scolded and then beaten or abused, so for him, even a simple chiding is a precursor to abuse— even if he DOES recognize that nothing more will happen, his body and mental patterns will still go into that preparation time.

So of course he never left survival mode, because even if nothing is actively happening, your mind will keep reinforcing those patterns.

For someone with a normal upbringing, as far as I can tell, empathy is something you learn and develop from those around you. Many seem to think it’s something innate and natural and if you don’t have it then there’s something wrong with you from birth. I think Shen Jiu falls into exactly this category of thought— and so he doesn’t even consider that he could try to learn and develop it as a skill he can perform, even if it doesn’t come naturally.

Of course, would he even try? He hasn’t been given any incentive. Any time he has tried to do something good, he ends up getting hurt (saving Yue Qi leading to being taken by QJL) or misinterpreted and admonished (the well ghost incident, keep in mind my earlier point about scoldings perpetuating the same patterns).

So he stays in that same vicious cycle, perpetually in survival mode and unable to escape, even in a relatively secure position (see: his paranoia).

Now, this is all relevant to the discussions of SJ’s feminism, misogyny, and/or lack thereof. I feel like a lot of discussions aren’t really getting the full picture.

SJ sees people, no matter who they are, as solely how they can affect him. Just because this isn’t exclusive to women, or because if comes from a reasonable place, does that really mean it doesn’t play into misogyny?

Let’s take another angle.

I think his abuse of LBH and other talented disciples also is rooted, deep down, in this same issue. He’s not just hurting LBH only to hurt him, his aim is specifically to stunt his cultivation. There’s jealousy at play there of course, but there’s a bit more layers to it too— SJ doesn’t think he’s capable of goodness. So reasonably, he’ll be a bad teacher. He already knows what happens when someone becomes more powerful than their oppressor. LBH may be a child now, but a part of SJ whether he acknowledges it or not sees him as a future threat that needs to be treated as such.

It’s rooted in fear— because everything is with SJ.

So does that mean it’s not actually abuse?

No. The behaviors he shows are still abusive, the reasoning just gives a lens for understanding.

Now, with his views on women— I mentioned in the tags of my original post that I don’t think he views women as people. This is based in that earlier idea of how he interprets others based off their risk and benefit to him. For women specifically, though, there’s another layer.

Shen Jiu grew up in a society where women are inherently lesser— and he grew up in an extreme version of this. He saw women being treated as property firsthand(both as slaves, as well as QJL’s views on his sister). Your worldview is shaped by the world that you view during those early years. Whether he agreed or not, SJ would still take on the patterns of his environment. This, though, is just the same as general societal misogyny and ingrained bias. I don’t think he’s any different than anyone else in this way.

But where SJ’s particular flavor comes in is that to him, women are a source of comfort. For various reasons— positive past experiences, less threatening (or at least don’t carry the dangers men do). He craves comfort— needs it really, because he doesn’t get it and his cortisol levels are always so high they’re poisoning his body. Women are the best source of that comfort for him.

It’s not that he likes them— at least, not any more than someone would like drinking water, or a coat in the winter. They’re fulfilling a survival need for him.

That is what the objectification is where SJ is concerned.

So… is it misogyny?

I’d say yes, in a way it still is. It’s not violent, and it doesn’t come from some inherent sense of “superiority as a man” but at the core of it all, he’s still not viewing women as people, and he has no interest in changing the status quo, because it benefits him to be able to go purchase comfort at a pleasure house, even if it’s not what people usually do there. The picture is bigger than just misogyny, but the traits taken as themselves are misogynistic nonetheless.

I could go into his specific relationships with women and how that informs his character, but this post is already long enough. We know that he mentally divides people by sex, and that distinction has a lot of weight in his judgment of them. Even if it comes from a place of trauma, even if it comes from a general worldview that applies to everyone, he still views women as a commodity— so on some level, and from an outside perspective, he is misogynistic.

In the end, though, it still all comes from him being stuck in survival mode. His lack of empathy, his viewing others as risks and benefits— these things themselves aren’t moral failings— it’s just a consequence of his environment. He’s a bad person because he won’t confront this, develop a moral code, and act on it, not because he doesn’t experience empathy.

But in his circumstance, there’s not really a chance for him to choose to be good. Because he’s still trying to survive, and goodness is a luxury he doesn’t realize he can afford now.

He’s scum, but pitiful, you know?

#svsss #svsss meta #zhuixing meta #shen jiu #listen I’ve been through a lot of shit and I project on this dude a lot #so ymmv on how you interpret the character but this is just how I see him #and honestly that’s ok! characters aren’t people so everyone can interpret them differently and they CAN be different from person to person #but also… I think the ‘is sj misogynistic’ answer really comes down to what you consider misogyny #is it the motives or the actions 等等 #I think the way it affects those around him is most important and therefore yes he is #but others may say the source is too different and the motives are different #and tbh other views are valid #it’s a grey line area #anyway #none of the replies to my post really encapsulated the root to it as I see it #also before you come at me I literally AM the ‘no empathy and views people as risk vs benefit’ in the post #I just try really hard to have a moral code #and consciously think about not harming/helping others #sj is just someone who DOESNT do that

[nekropsii]

RUFIOH PROPAGANDA: Literally everything he has ever done to and about Damara - cheating on her and lying to her for years, seemingly never standing up for her when Meenah was terrorizing her, still chasing her image as a sex object to this day (particularly Aradiabot, who he says acts “just like the real thing”), and calling her his “psycho ex” behind her back constantly while acting nice to her face.

KANKRI PROPAGANDA: Straight up doesn’t think Misogyny is real and denies its existence outright, calling it a meaningless pseudoscience not worth any concern, discussion, or consideration. Slutshames Porrim directly to her face.

#homestuck #homestuck polls #alpha trolls #rufioh nitram #kankri vantas #damara megido #porrim maryam #nekro.txt #my vote is personally on Rufioh since he is more of a danger than Kankri is #both physically and in how his misogyny is expressed #Kankri doesn’t seem like he could survive a physical altercation and his misogyny. while more direct. is also just stupid as fuck #and doesn’t really do much other than annoy Porrim and cause crazy fandom discourse bc the fandom is also full of misogynists #who take him completely at his word for no reason #despite his whole deal being that you shouldn’t listen to him #Rufioh meanwhile is ABSOLUTELY capable of beating my ass in a fight AND he’s exercising his misogyny in very tangible ways #that can will and HAVE caused actual legitimate harm to people in universe #he played a very active role in damaras mental downfall and not only does he still mock and blame her for it #but he has the audacity to be nice to her face shit talk her behind her back and sexually objectify her image #aradiabot is a child and he still targeted her for ‘acting just like the real thing’ #way more dangerous than some dumb fucking idiot saying obviously stupid shit imo #like while Kankri’s misogyny is more overt bc he’s practically saying the words ‘I’m a misogynist’ with his whole chest #Rufioh’s misogyny is more *tangible* #you know