#age mapping

[raine-kai]

Mapping out the ages of the Emperor's children in Love Like the Galaxy

For an AU fic I'm writing, I felt the need to map out the ages of the emperor's ten sons and five daughters from Love Like the Galaxy, and thought that maybe perhaps this would be of interest to others, too. I'll start by laying out all the info I have amassed from canon, the particular constraints for elements that I have decided matter to me personally, and then I'll lay out 2 possible age schemes I have mapped out--1 if there are twins involved, and 1 if there are single births only.

You would think, if any of the princes or princesses addressed each other, the forms of address would give you a clue to their relative ages, and all that would remain is to just figure out specifically how many years lie between each, but alas...the only ones I have been able to find are between pairs whose age relationship is not in question in any of my age maps.

But if you have info that I've missed, please do tell me, I would love to have more info.

First, the info we have from the book canon goes as follows:

Xuan Shen'an has five sons and three daughters.

Yue Heng has four sons and two daughters, though she also has one son who died prematurely (he is not counted in the numbers); the birth after his was a princess.

Xu Meiren, the maid who became a concubine, has just one child, the Fifth Prince.

Second Princess and Third Princess are Yue Heng's, all the other princesses are Xuan Shen'an's.

First Prince (or Crown Prince, or Zikun) and Second Prince are Xuan Shen'an's.

Third Prince (Ziduan) and Fourth Prince are Yue Heng's.

Fifth Princess is the only child born after the war ended 13-14 years prior to canon. (This is info from the drama, and I do not remember if it corresponded to the novel, but I'm going with it.)

Luo Jitong mentions that pre-time skip, all the princes younger than the Fifth Prince were too young to consider as prospective husbands. So they all must have been in their teens, probably skewing younger.

Zisheng entered the palace 13 years prior to canon, and is called Shiyi Lang (十一郎, Eleventh Young Master), meaning that by the time he entered the palace, the tenth prince had to already have been born.

The only way I can find to assess the age of the Second Princess relative to her brothers is via her friend Qu Lingjun, who is her friend. It's mentioned that Yue Heng would have loved to have Qu Lingjun as her own daughter-in-law (via Ziduan), but the age was inappropriate--which suggests to me that the Second Princess is older than Ziduan.

Zikun and Qu Lingjun have been married to their respective spouses for six years in the novel, ten years in the drama. This means they have to have been of marriageable age by some definition 6-10 years ago depending on the canon.

Additional constraints from me, for my fic:

Due to the way the Emperor and Yue Heng deferred to Xuan Shen'an, it makes sense to imagine that they would not have started trying for a child until after Shen'an has safely given birth to at least one son. This means that Yue Heng's eldest is likely 1-2 years younger than Zikun (a point which is relevant, because if I chose to map 1st princess as elder than Zikun, then I wouldn't see Yue Heng being able to have her first child for 3-4 years after Shen'an started having children).

Ziduan must be Zisheng's age or older. In fact, it makes the most sense if he's a few years older.

That said, Ziduan and Zikun can't be THAT much older than Zisheng, or it makes no sense why he is such a trusted friend and advisor.

Fifth Prince is probably 20 or 21, and given the kurfuffle his conception caused in the palace, it makes sense to imagine that there are no births in the harem for some time after his.

SO. This is a birth order, with only single births. Ages listed are at the time of the drama canon, when Shaoshang is 15 and Zisheng is 21:

First Prince (Zikun, 28, born to Shen'an)

First Princess (26, born to Shen'an)

Second Princess (25, born to Yue Heng)

Second Prince ( 24, born to Shen'an)

Third Prince (Ziduan, 23, born to Yue Heng)

Fourth Prince (21, born to Yue Heng)

Fifth Prince (20, born to Xu Meiren)

Sixth Prince (18, born to Shen'an)

[unnumbered prince born to Yue Heng who did not survive]

Seventh Prince (17, born to Shen'an)

Third Princess (16, born to Yue Heng)

Fourth Princess (16, born to Shen'an)

Eighth Prince (15, born to Yue Heng)

Ninth Prince (15, born to Shen'an)

Tenth Prince (14, born to Yue Heng)

Fifth Princess (12-13, born to Shen'an)

And this is the birth order of you allow for occasional twins. Again, ages mapped to drama canon:

First Prince (Zikun, 26, born to Shen'an)

First Princess and Second Prince (24, born to Shen'an)

Second Princess (24, born to Yue Heng)

Third Prince (Ziduan) and Fourth Prince (22, born to Yue Heng)

Fifth Prince (20, born to Xu Meiren)

Sixth Prince (18, born to Shen'an)

[unnumbered prince born to Yue Heng who did not survive]

Third Princess (16, born to Yue Heng)

Seventh Prince and Fourth Princess (16, born to Shen'an)

Eighth Prince and Ninth Prince (14, born to Yue Heng)

Tenth Prince (14, born to Shen'an)

Fifth Princess (12-13, born to Shen'an)

Aaaaaaaaand bonus round!! My fic needs aside, what do I think would ACTUALLY make the most sense for their canon ages, given what we know? Here's a mapping with only single births:

First Prince (Zikun, 26, born to Shen'an)

First Princess (24, born to Shen'an)

Second Princess (24, born to Yue Heng)

Second Prince (23, born to Shen'an)

Third Prince (Ziduan, 21, born to Yue Heng)

Fourth Prince (20, born to Yue Heng)

Fifth Prince (19, born to Xu Meiren)

Sixth Prince (17, born to Shen'an)

[unnumbered prince born to Yue Heng who did not survive]

Seventh Prince (16, born to Shen'an)

Third Princess (16, born to Yue Heng)

Fourth Princess (15, born to Shen'an)

Eighth Prince (15, born to Yue Heng)

Ninth Prince (14, born to Shen'an)

Tenth Prince (14, born to Yue Heng)

Fifth Princess (13, born to Shen'an)

Look at that breakneck birthing schedule toward the end... 😱I'm not going to add a mapping for multiple births, because at this point I feel like (in the absence of additional information that I've missed, which is definitely a possibility) if you have fic needs, you can adapt them to suit.

Anyway, hope this helped somebody other than myself... 😂

#love like the galaxy #wen ziduan #wen zikun #third prince #emperor wen #yue heng #xuan shen'an #lltg #lltg meta #? #what do you even call these bouts of obsessing over details #fanfic #age mapping #just watch #I missed something major from the novel and it's all wrong actually #and I'll have to start over

[newyorkthegoldenage]

C.V. Farrow drew this beautiful map of what he called "The Wondrous Isle of Manhattan" in 1926. You MUST enlarge it. It wasn't intended to be used for navigation, but rather as a pictorial representation of the island's highlights. Below are a few details that show you what the full-size map is really like. You should enlarge them, too!

Source: Gothamist

#vintage New York #1920s #C.V. Farrow #map #vintage Manhattan #Jazz Age #Roaring 20s #1920s NYC #illustration #pictorial map #colored map #vintage NYC

[leafy-leaf-on-a-tree]

I just want to be held tight and told "you're my baby". I want to play with stuffies and not be judged. I want to sing and dance and have people call me cute instead of giving me looks. I just want to live and not think about all the terrible things happening in the world. I just wanna be a kid.

#maps dni #anti agere dni #sfw agere #agere #age regression #age dreaming #dni if kink #sfw age regression #age regressor

[prokopetz]

Pirate captain punctuates their speech about the crew's next grand adventure by dramatically stabbing the map spread out on the wooden table before them with a slender steel pin with a little flag on the end (because the ship's cartographer gave them a very stern talking-to for using a dagger last time), only the pin strikes a knot in the wood and fails to find purchase, flexing under the force of the captain's flourish as its tip skitters across the table, dragging an inch-long trench in the map – then the captain's grip falters, and the pin, straightening, shoots up past their face and out of sight, announcing its departure with an audible "ping".

#vignette #pirates #age of sail #maps #cartography

[archonfurina]

Crestwood

#dragon age #da:i #daiedit #gamingscenery #crestwood #mine #looking for beauty in my most hated maps :>

[mapsontheweb]

Coastline of Europe during the last glacial maximum ~21 kya

#maps #europe #ice age #earth history

[shivroy]

what if the tomshiv baby wasn't aborted and turned out to be just like a weird cunt. this is my unadulterated vision

#hes so fucked up and as a dude who enjoys drawing shiv and toms faces so much hibs is my delight to render #fucking look AT him i need to throw him at a million miles an hour #goes without saying that his parents had him nannied out the wazoo and in his developmental years he was either with childcare staff #with the occasional parental outing + roy family holidays plus toms parents hanging around which did him immeasurable damage #tries to stalk kendalls mansion on google maps on his ipad at age 8 #gets everything on his christmas list unless it requires tom or shiv making a personal effort #tom and his relationship is so fucking bad and they never talk about it <3 #hibernian #thank you for being so nice about my stupid creation ily. i love you hibs also i hate you #succession #succession oc #tom wambsgans #shiv roy #tomshiv baby #shakes him until something happens #(i made every effort to make him look So much like his parents like hes got toms nose with shivs nostrils.. tom forehead.. shiv lips) #art #the nation

[sanctus-ingenium]

you’re out of time

#this is a gradient map of an original which i ended up not liking so much even tho i did the whole aging print texture thing on it #púca #ya he opens his mouth all the way to his rib cage he's a special boy #setting: inver

[badhermit]

Some kind of quiet Leliana moment

#leliana #dragon age #dragon age inquisition #trying to figure out gradient maps with this one #and not sure how i feel about them #but it was interesting sticking to such compressed values #the art tag is at my mercy #artists on tumblr #digital painting

[letsgetonwithit]

quick drawing of my lavellan because i've had da:i on the brain a lot lately and i miss her

ft. her new vallaslin design (which i’m sure isn’t lore friendly, but oh well) + her enchanted birch tree arm (post-trespasser) that grows autumn leaves, moss and mushrooms from time to time 🥺 🍄

#dragon age #dragon age: inquisition #lavellan #inquisitor lavellan #my art #oc: sia #(considering a name update but we'll see) #her vallaslin is meant to represent leaves + tree roots #i'd love to map them out fully someday but i love the idea of them kind of surrounding her heart #representing her connection to nature #her enchanted arm is a long work in progress #a year or so post-trespasser it's semi-functional #she's actively studying + working on it with a little help from some friends 👀 #i've missed her so much #time for my annual da:i replay #!!!

[illustratus]

Map of Crusader Jerusalem

#map #crusader #jerusalem #medieval #kingdom #christianity #art #history #middle ages #crusade #crusades #crusaders #christian #religion #maps #europe #european #kingdom of jerusalem

[blueskittlesart]

Do you have any theories/thoughts on why the last dragon tear is on the Rist Peninsula? Like..lore reason wise? Or did they just pick that spot cause it has a fancy spiral? This thought hasn't left my brain for weeks.

this question got me thinking, because there are quite a few spots on the totk map that are significant lore-wise in that they mention locations in other games and/or were significant in botw, but rist penninsula isn't one of them. of the locations that the geoglyphs and tears fall on, a few of their names appear to reference characters and locations in other games, which is a common theme among minor location names on the botw/totk map. aside from the naming conventions, though, none of these places share distinguishing features with any map locations in other games. there ARE certain locations on the botw/totk map that are very clearly meant to correspond to the maps of other games/cycles, but those locations will almost always have both a specific name referencing the other map's location AND distinguishing features which mirror the features of the other map very closely if not identically. the geoglyph locations pretty clearly aren't that, so the names are likely just easter eggs. these locations also don't have any significance on the BOTW map from what I can tell, aside from the occasional shrine location, which is less important to the point i'm trying to make here but this is already full of useless information bc i did the research so i might as well give you all of it. the important point here is that none of the dragon tear locations are present in any other map of hyrule aside from the botw/totk iteration.

why is this significant? because it means that botw/totk era-hyrule is the ONLY hyrule in which these locations exist. this fact, combined with the fact that certain locations seem almost designed with their respective geoglyphs in mind (the most prominent example is cape cresia's shape being perfectly fitted to the scimitar glyph, but to a lesser extent the tabantha snowfield ganondorf glyph and the NW eldin mountains master sword glyph both finding large, flat spaces suited to their respective shapes, and, of course, the final tear dropping perfectly in the center of rist penninsula's spiral, suggests that these geoglyphs and these memories were tied specifically to the version of hyrule that we see in botw/totk. Whether this has greater implications as to how the timeline of totk plays out or if it's just an indication that zelda was holding on to her memories of the version of hyrule she grew up in is up to you.

that's all i've got in terms of concrete lore, but on a more artistic level i think there is definitely a reason the last tear falls in the center of that spiral. totk continuously uses an ouroboros motif--a snakelike dragon eating itself in a continuous circle. the four dragons circle the map in continuous loops, repeating the same route endlessly, likely for thousands upon thousands of years. the spiral of rist is somewhat reminiscent of that repetition to me, but with one key difference--it ends. there is a concrete end point at the center of the spiral. once you go around it a certain number of times, the circular motion stops. you're free of the cycle. the final tear, in which zelda begs link to come to her, to find her, to SAVE her, falls at the center of that spiral, at the end of a repeating pattern of circular motions. zelda, like the other dragons, has been trapped in an ouroboros cycle for thousands of years. unable to speak, unable to remember, unable to do anything but follow her same circular path through the sky. but zelda's fate is not actually so bleak and unchangable--she's not in an ouroboros, she's in a SPIRAL. all she has to do is make it to the "center"--to wait it out until link can find her and save her, and she will be human again, and that circular motion will finally stop, and she'll be free to live her life again, to truly move forward. the act of journeying to the center of the spiral to get the last tear is forcing the player to adopt that same circular motion that zelda has been experiencing all these years, and to find the relief at the end--a microdose of the bigger battle zelda has been fighting, and which they will soon have to fight, to get her back once and for all.

#asks #i did so much actual research into the names and map features of other games to make sure this was correct. anyways did you guys know that #talus plateau in botw is NOT named after the enemy in that game called the stone talus but is in fact named after a location from oracle of #fucking ages. because somehow in translation the word 'toroiwa' for the oracle location and the word 'iwarokku' for the monster #BOTH ENDED UP BEING TALUS. incredible translation guys no notes #anyway. hope this helps #zelda analysis

[ammocharis]

Interactive map of Thedas

Earlier this year, fandom wiki site has introduced the "interactive maps" feature. Now, the Dragon Age wiki has its first fully interactive map!

#dragon age #thedas #map #dragon age map #interactive map

[bringina]

bioware really said "i made this whole ass cool as fuck last second reveal in absolution that gives dreadwolf so much potential, so help me if y'all say dragon age 2 is a bad game that can just be skipped in the triology ONE MORE TIME I WILL SEND MEREDITH TO BEAT YOUR ASS-" and honestly that is so correct of them

#dragon age #dragon age 2 #dragon age absolution spoilers #dragon age absolution #da2 #daa #when i say i fuckin screamed #leaped out of my chair even #justice for da2 its a great game actually all it needed was more time to make maps more varied and not backtrack so damn much #time the devs did not have. and honestly id take shitty map design over fumbled story any day of the week #im still screaming this series was so good #the ONLY complain is i wish it was a 12 episode series so it could pace itself well enough to keep the non game fans from being lost #i imagine the show is way lesser if you cant remember codex stuff and dialogue bits at drop of the head #how do people who dont know things like who venatori are feel about later episodes??? #anyway funky dragon show good had a great time #bringie talks

[socialprawn]

i like drawing agape happy she deserves it 😭🌹

#agape amell #dragon age #dragon age origins #its still a wip but hooolllyy hewhll i am not finishing this today bbis #i did a presentation about c-d mapping i think i deserve silly jowan time instead #WOMEN IN STEM X -dies- #art tag! #agape found isolated place to gush about alistair giving her a rose but im sure morrigan is a squirrel back there XDing hard

[vernrot]

Sniper enjoying a morning cup of coffee

#procreate art #original art #digital art #tf2 fanart #tf2 #tf2 sniper #tf2 sniper fanart #tf2 art #If you guess what map this is then well done #Feel free to add your guess in the tags if you rb #This took me ages #because of the chickenwire fence!! I drew it by hand #Anyway have a nice evening