#Tomb effigy

[belle-primrose]

The Tomb of Mary of Burgundy in the Church of Our Lady, Bruges, 1501

#mary of burgundy #new post #historical #bruges #burgundy #medieval #historical fashion #history #medieval fashion #effigy #duchy of burgundy #coats of arms #bronze #gilt #Tomb effigy #house of habsburg #House of Valois-Burgundy #House of Valois #Maximilian I #Holy Roman Emperor #Philip the Handsome #1500s #1480s #gothic art #International Gothic #renaissance #Northern Renaissance #renaissance fashion

[aristocraticelegance]

Philadelphia Museum of Art / Tomb Effigy of a Recumbent Knight 1230-40

#medieval #sculpture #tomb effigy #going through old photos #crucifix #philadelphia museum of art

[awidevastdominion]

#tomb effigy #Henry II #Catherine de Medici #tombs

[jeannepompadour]

Tomb of Isabel de Portugal, Queen of Castille in Cartuja de Miraflores, Burgos;  Made by Gil de Siloé, 1490s

#Gil de Siloe #1490s #15th century #15th c. sculpture #tomb #effigy #spain #castille #15th c. spain #mdpsculpture #sculpture

[brother-emperors]

@magnvsmaximvs' tags: #wait OP I need to know everything about the dmbj AU NOWWWWWWW

TECHNICALLY. there are two DMBJ AUs. there's a modern AU of the AU because I think Sulla should be allowed to wear sunglasses, but the Ancient Rome one can be summed up as: Crassus, Pompey, and Caesar fuck around and find out that there's Another Rome underneath the Current Rome. there are coffins! coffins that should definitely be left untouched. unfortunately, Cato is here also. he's going to open the hell out of those coffins and it's going to be a Reunion the Sound of Providence South Sea King's Tomb situation with the Things Inside The Coffins

there's a scene where Crassus is prying open a door and Pompey is like. hey man. did you notice that the shadows here are acting kind of weird. maybe don't do that. and Crassus replies with, 'you're a big strong man with a sword, you'll be fine,' and he's being sarcastic, but I, the writer, had to pause for a minute over that line.

#the further inside this city-tomb they go into the more 'scenes' of rome's history the visit. like awful effigies frozen in time #BUT NOT FROZEN FOR LONG BECAUSE CAESAR IS ALSO HERE BABYYYY #and crassus. crassus gets his moment where he has a moment with a mass grave

[vox-anglosphere]

Richard I, England's warrior King, spent most of his reign in Europe.

#King Richard I #Richard the Lionheart #Crusades #monarchy #Anjou #Plantagenet #effigy #tomb #statue #1157 - 1199

[wonder-worker]

so did edward iv and elizabeth wydeville want to be buried together or not?

Hi!

Edward IV wished to be buried in his St. George chapel as early as 1475 and requested for a single tomb, which was the norm at the time and was iirc used by both Henry V and Henry VI. As queen and mother of the heir, Elizabeth may have been expected to be buried at St. George as well; however, she seems to have initially wished to be eventually buried in her own St. Erasmus chapel in Westminster Abbey which she had recently built, and which she seems to have regarded as a royal burial site in its own right. We have a draft of a charter that Edward granted to Westminster Abbey, which states that placebos and diriges were to be sung on the anniversaries of his and Elizabeth's deaths "around the tomb of our consort if she is buried there". So it seems that Elizabeth considered being buried on her own at Westminster at this time.

However, while instructions for Elizabeth's potential solo reburial at Westminster appear in the draft, they don’t appear in the final charter, issued on 13 January 1479. It seems that Elizabeth may have changed her mind by then.

Moreover, Elizabeth’s own will in 1492 explicitly states that:

"I bequeith my body to be buried with the bodie of my Lord at Windessore, according to the will of my saide Lorde and myne."

So it seems as though both Edward and Elizabeth wished and decided to be buried together, which is what eventually happened after she died. Considering the difference between the draft and final version in 1479, I speculate they may have discussed and decided it together during that time, or perhaps during the few years after.

Hope this helps!

#ask #edward iv #elizabeth woodville #it's worth remembering that Edward IV's tomb was unfinished at the time of his death #neither the upper effigy nor the cadaver was completed and the tomb remained unmarked #so if there were any (now lost) instructions for it to be expanded they are unlikely to have been implemented #they may have been part of the 'codicils' he added to his 1483 will (most people just assume those were related to his son's minority #but the truth is that there's no evidence of this and at any rate he added codicils - aka plural - not just a single one) #or they may have discussed it informally with each other #at least this is what I understand

[mysterious-secret-garden]

Jean I Juste - Effigies of Louis XII and Anne of Brittany, from their tomb, 1516 (marble).

#Jean I Juste #Effigies of Louis XII and Anne of Brittany #tomb #death #dead

[x-xhiro]

Really what I should do is just make a post with the progress that's separate from the finish drawing

But I'm so happy I'm actually making a back ground, even tho some of it is just a messy filler to be worked on later

#one of my co workers saw it as was like wow you have some talent #and it made me happy #and now im in love with tomb effigy im going to make more #my art #art progress #auguste of vere

[aeide-thea]

aragorn flat on his back floating down the river hallucinating: submissive and breedable??

#i probably won't liveblog all of this but it really is just. so much #elrond's whole dramatic negative visualization abt aragorn aging and dying and leaving arwen to a forlorn widowhood... #aragorn as effigy on his own imagined tomb... DRAMA #also like. if elves are eternally young or whatever should they not have filled in hugo weaving's receding hairline #or is it more of a tithonus situation #in conclusion elijah wood's big blue eyes and anguished face are asked to bear a LOT of weight in these films #and like. probably it's bad of me but one's patience for that only stretches so far tbh... #el and i fast-forwarded thru these scenes back in the day and tbh i still kind of endorse that #tvblogging #the matter of arda

[doodlboy]

Designing your own character's tombstone sure feels

#like #i am enjoying said process bc its a detailed 1 and also full of little details that will make ppl who know my lil guy sad #ie his tomb effigy looks like he's sleeping instead of posed like a traditional corpse in a coffin #& the side of it has stone replicas of his boots next 2 it bc he'd never wear boots to bed #its gonna look like he's literally just sleeping on a stone box. but yk- he's also made of stone #should i make it sized so that if some1 really wanted 2 they could lay next to him? #would that b too fucked up? #hrm #belphie would probably do it tho so.. #im putting a lot of effort in2 something I'm designing purely 4 it to be destroyed #elliot rambles

[heartofstanding]

I saw a post going around about Henry V's looks, so I wonder if you happen to know the hair colour of his siblings? I know the hair colours of some Plantaganets, but frankly I've never looked for those of Henry's siblings before.

Hello! So, there's really only information about what colour hair three of Henry V's five siblings had and only one case where I feel we can be 99.9% certain of the hair colouring.

I'll go into a lot more detail (with photos! and my trademark rambling!) below the cut but basically:

Thomas, Duke of Clarence: unknown

John, Duke of Bedford: dark brown

Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester: probably dark brown

Blanche of England: possibly blonde or red

Philippa of England: unknown

John, Duke of Bedford's hair is depicted as brown in two extant manuscripts that belonged to him. Depictions in manuscripts are problematic as far as "true likenesses" go. The artist might not know what their subject look like so they cannot make a true-to-life likeness even if they wanted to. Or they might be making an idealised or generic portrait where what's important is more what the figure represents (i.e. status as king, queen, duke etc.) rather than what the figure really looked like.

But these two manuscripts depict John in what appears to be an effort to depict a reasonable likeness of him (you can tell by the nose). The Bedford Hours has the most detailed and fine portrait, where he has dark brown hair, an aquiline nose and it seems grey eyes (the weird five o'clock shadow around the side of his face and under his jaw is probably the result of pigment wearing off, though).

The portraits in the Salisbury Breviary are overall less detailed but are still personalised enough (see: the nose) that we can say that they were probably made to resemble him:

And if that's not enough, his remains were discovered in 1860 and his hair colour was noted as "dark" or "black". The remains themselves were noted as being blackened so I'd guess the processes of embalming/decay probably darkened his dark brown hair to black.

The flip side of the manuscript problem is Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester, where we have four different depictions from four different contemporary/near-contemporary manuscripts, where his hair ranges from light brown (or dark blond, if you'd rather) to dark brown to black, including one where he looks bald but if you zoom in close enough, he has a very short crop of dark hair underneath his crown.

The first is from the Talbot-Shrewsbury Book (made in Rouen, 1444/5), the second from the presentation copy of John Capgrave's Commentary on Exodus (made in England, c. 1440); the third from the Psalter of Humfrey of Gloucester (made in England in the second quarter of the 15th century, before 1447) and the fourth from the St. Albans Benefactor Book (made in St Albans monastery, begun 1380 and finished c. 1540). All of these can be connected with people who knew Humphrey and thus knew what he looked like (though it's not clear when the fourth was made, it may have been long after his lifetime), though as with all manuscripts, he may have been represented as a generic royal duke/patron/donor instead of an attempt being made at a reasonable likeness.

What is striking about them is how different they are not only from the uniform likenesses of John but from each other. If second and third have the same type of hair colour, the faces are noticeably different. None of them resemble the copy of Humphrey's portrait that closely either (though, of course, a portrait has a lot more room for detail and personalisation).

However, the second and third are the most interesting in terms of hair colour because they both depict Humphrey with dark brown hair and were both made in Humphrey's lifetime by English illuminators - the third was almost certainly commissioned by Humphrey himself - so they have the best chance of being reasonably true to how he looked.

But in case that sounds too easy an answer, Humphrey's corpse was also rediscovered in the 1700s and his hair is said to have been yellow. Elizabeth, countess of Moira and a "proto-archaelogist", took some of the hair, noted the colour and that it was strong enough to be woven "Bath rings". She also suggested that the colour of the hair was not as it had been in life but it was "the nature of hair to gain that yellowish hue in the grave" - in other words, Humphrey may have been grey- or white-haired at death and the materials used in embalming bleached or discoloured his hair.

Although being the most obscure sibling, Blanche of England is the perhaps the only other sibling where there's any information about her hair colour. We have this image which I believe is a copy of a near-contemporary image of her (in the centre):

I can't remember or find where I got the information about it being a copy of a near-contemporary original, though, so I might be wrong. As we can see, she appears to have hair that is somewhere on the blond to red spectrum (I read it as ginger but though this is the highest resolution I can find, it's clearly poor quality (cf. the lines on the faces) so the colours might be distorted). The painting might represent Blanche as an idealised queenly figure rather than an attempt to represent her truthfully - though the fact it depicts her with a crown similar to the Palatine Crown she brought as her dowry is suggestive that they were trying to depict her in a way that made her easily identifiable.

Her name, "Blanche", might also be suggestive, as she was named after her grandmother, Blanche of Lancaster, Duchess of Lancaster (daughter of Henry of Grosmont, the first wife of John of Gaunt) whose hair was described by Chaucer as golden:

For every heer upon hir hede, Soth to seyn, hit was not rede, Ne nouther yelow, ne broun hit nas; Me thoghte, most lyk gold hit was. (The Book of the Duchess, ll. 855-858)

Of course, it's possible that Blanche was merely named in honour for her grandmother and there was no resemblance. But given Blanche means "white", it's possible that she was named in honour of her grandmother and because her hair was a similar colour.

I'm not aware of any contemporary surviving contemporary images of Philippa of England, though we have an image from 1590 that shows her with blonde (reddish-blonde?) hair and an stained glass window from the 19th century that shows her with dark hair:

We do have a near-contemporary image of Thomas, Duke of Clarence but... it's his alabaster tomb effigy and he's shown wearing a helm and is without moustache and beard so we have no idea of the colour of his hair.

But the Lancaster siblings probably every hair colour in their gene pool. Henry IV was said to have had "russet" hair when his tomb was opened (though we can't dismiss the possibility that his hair only appeared russet due to the way that red pigment can decay slower than others). Mary de Bohun is depicted as blonde in donor portraits in her psalter and Book of Hours (though it might be an idealised portrait than realistic). Their paternal grandmother, Blanche of Lancaster, was blond, their great-grandparents Philippa of Hainault and Edward III appear to have been black-haired and blonde respectively and red-hair is strongly associated with the Plantagenet line. So while Henry V, John and Humphrey all seeming to have dark brown hair is perhaps indicative of a family trait, I don't think that means Thomas, Blanche and Philippa must have had it too - and Blanche may well have been blonde or ginger.

#thomas duke of clarence #john duke of bedford #humphrey duke of gloucester #blanche of england #philippa of england #text posts #yoghurtbattle #asks #(as for the spouses margaret holland has blond hair in some manuscripts #catherine de valois's effigy had strands of brown hair #and there's a lock of blond hair said to be taken from jacqueline of hainault's tomb though they also said they couldn't find her tomb) #(no information about eleanor cobham or anne of burgundy or jacquetta of luxembourg i believe) #lancasterlings

[awidevastdominion]

#Black Prince #Edward of Woodstock #tombs #Edward Plantagenet #tomb effigy

[jeannepompadour]

Tombs of Joanna I, Queen of Castile and Philip the Handsome by Bartolome Ordonez, 1519-1520

#bartolome ordonez #spain #Castile #sovereign #tomb #effigy #16th century #mdpsculpture #16th c. sculpture #1510s #1519 #16th c. spain #1520 #castille

[fergus-cousland]

anyway on the subject of martyrs. one of hawke's responses to elthina mentioning kirkwall chantry's dusty fingerbones is "you keep dead people here?" babygirl you are the dumbest person alive <3

#[shrek voice] they've never even seen a tomb effigy

[absynthe--minded]

[pastes the entirety of “Never Go Back” by Evanescence into the text box]

[clicks “Post”]

#the images you show me are as grand and as hollow as the tombs in the Rath Dínen #beautiful to behold and utterly empty beneath the façade #how dare you give me effigy and call it substance #a thousand years of sun-soaked sea and you call THIS the island