#Shane Newville

[grayskyzephyr]

I wanted to make this its own post and add some stuff.

Miles and Kerry are the reason Rwby went to shit and Rwby stans refuse to acknowledge it because they see these two white men as their gods. They even go out of their way to downplay Monty's part in his own creation by reducing him as "the animator who does cool fights," while giving majority of the credit to these two wackadoos.

They don't want to admit they prefer Miles and Kerry's version of rwby, because they also have to admit it's no longer Monty's work post vol 3 and on top of that, Miles and Kerry's version of "Rwby" sucks ass. Thats why they're hellbent on the "Monty planned everything since the beginning and Miles and Kerry totally knows his vision" while at the same minimize Monty as the creator in the same breath.

This is also why they are terrified of Dillion buying the rights to rwby when they found out Shane works with him and is close friends with him. They spent years slandering Shane as nothing more than a "bitter and disgruntled ex employee" when he released his letter because they don't want to believe their "besties," their "fam," they're "little meow meows" in crwby could possibly be terrible people. I mean, why would anyone ever lie about themselves on the internet guys??? /S

They purposefully "forgot" about the abuse scandals that were exposed once again just two years ago and are thanking Rooster Teeth for the fond memories. They're thanking the people they saw on that live stream because thats all who they care about. The animator who had to endure crunch time with little to no pay, who found out through twitter they no longer have an job? Who cares about them? They're a nobody. Miles and Kerry are not nobodies, they're celebrities on Youtube and in RT. That's who the rwby stans truly care about.

#rwby #rwde #anti crwby #anti mkek #anti miles and kerry #anti miles luna #anti kerry shawcross #dillon goo #shane newville #rooster teeth #fuck rt #fuck rooster teeth #my two cents

[saltwukong]

While there's every possibility it won't play out, Shane and Dillon (and Sheena? Hopefully!) buying out RWBY and rebuilding it from the ground up would honestly be a wonderful ending to a very long and painful story.

RWBY stans, the few thousand of them left, utterly despise that idea because they've spent eight years spitting on Shane and everything he exposed about Rooster Teeth in favor of sucking Miles' and Kerry's dicks, utterly refusing to see the very obvious signs that they started taking RWBY off the rails as early as Volume 3. Now they're having to face the fact that the RWBY they defended and protected and harassed people over is gone, and the possibility is there that it may get picked up by the people they made pariahs of and returned to its former glory.

Hear me when I say that Shane is a fucking good animator, and if you've seen any of his recent projects, you know he's still got that old Monty-style approach to animation. RWBY in his hands could very well be something like its early self once again.

And if that happens? I'll be there. Early RWBY wasn't perfect but it was a fucking showstopper, incredible to look at and with real passion behind it.

#rwde #rwby #shane newville #dillon goo #sheena duquette

[currantlee]

A few comments on a recent post about RWBY I made got me thinking about something. Basically, I think that Rooster Teeth – and possibly by extension its parent companies – have artificially inflated RWBY as a media project and franchise rather than letting it grow organically. Therefore, it became a bubble that was bound to burst at some point. RWBY might never have been a profitable IP, which might be very relevant for its future.

This is not a problem that arose after Monty Oum‘s passing, I feel like this was already coming before that. Shane Newville‘s open letter (which absolutely comes from an emotional, mentally unwell state of mind, but has had many of its contents confirmed over the years, even beyond being one of the first descriptions of the toxic work environment at Rooster Teeth) makes a few points that support this impression. Whether you agree with the letter or not, you cannot deny that the first two volumes of RWBY, while they also had merch accompanying them and stuff, were not produced following industry standards – starting with the 3D software used, Poser Pro (Monty Oum‘s preferred tool for animation). This led to some really creative animation work that, while not always high-quality by industry-standards, was certainly pushing boundaries. It was creative and it worked for what RWBY was: a passion project created by someone who saw animation as his strongest suit – as his preferred medium to tell a story. I‘ve seen a lot of people claim that Monty Oum wasn‘t a writer, and while that‘s true, I feel like the implication of that statement is always that he couldn‘t tell stories on his own. I don‘t think that‘s true. I think Monty Oum was a great storyteller when it came to expressing certain things through animated action scenes. It‘s just that he wanted to tell a story that included more than just that and a few lines of dialogue – which is where Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross come in, two at the time very inexperienced writers (who possibly had a fallout with Monty Oum over creative differences later), as well as some talented folks – people like Shane Newville. They were chosen to work on this because Monty Oum acknowledged their potential and liked to work with them, and I feel like that created an environment where they were really allowed to flourish. Volumes 1 and 2 are certainly not flawless, but I feel like I can tell the people making it had fun.

To Rooster Teeth however? I think RWBY (and by extension, Monty Oum as a creator) might have been little more than assets to them. RWBY was first created around a time when RT first tried to be more like, well, an actual company. At least from 2014 onward, but possibly even earlier than that, this included an effort to conform to industry standards more, mostly in order to be able to hire more people – very visibly so in RWBY in the form of the switch to Maya (my opinion about that is, the way they did it didn’t do RWBY any favors at all). I think they saw RWBY and Monty Oum as an opportunity to appear… More important, bigger, than they ever really were.

So what did they do? Again, I kind of have the feeling that they “upscaled” RWBY to a size where it appears like this big thing, but it became far too much to handle. Essentially, they created a mock giant, or a metaphorical quasi-star: something that can appear big from afar, but is actually very small / unstable (and if we go with the quasi-star metaphor, disturbs all of its surroundings). This is what I mean when I say that RWBY was a bubble bound to burst, because no star lives forever – and quasi-stars can only exist under very specific, very unstable conditions (I linked a Kurzgesagt-video in case you’re interested what exactly a quasi-star / black hole star is / was, cosmology is so fascinating IMO). Once these conditions exist no longer, they both fall apart and collapse into the black hole that is their core at the same time.

My main argument for this is that RWBY was essentially a huge money sink for RT (Source: Barbara Dunkelman’s unprofessionalism). They pumped so much money into this… Perhaps even more than they ever made from it. While this isn’t 100% confirmed, it is very much possible (and IMO not exactly unlikely) that RWBY was never profitable — which it might have been if RT hadn’t been so hellbent on creating the illusion of a multi-million-dollar franchise.

This is purely speculative, but this might also be why Volume 10 was never greenlit. We know that Volume 9 was to a significant part funded by Crunchyroll and in fact would not have been possible without them (probably because RT was already out of money at this point). They might have bought into this mock giant, then realized they had pretty much been scammed once Volume 9 aired. This might have led to Crunchyroll’s unwillingness to fund another season for something they knew now was effectively a money sink. Since RT at this point lacked the funds to produce Volume 10 alone and therefore was dependent on investors like Crunchyroll and Warner Brothers… Volume 10 was never greenlit, no matter how hard they attempted to get their fans’ hopes up and start a hashtag campaign on social media (as far as I remember, that was started by Rooster Teeth, not the fans. I don’t have my Twitter account anymore though, so I can’t check). Again though, this is speculation.

The worst part? This refusal of RT to just… Downscale RWBY again, this determination that it had to be this huge franchise… Was all put on the backs of the creatives working on it. We know at this point, from multiple sources, that RWBY and other RT productions have had an incredible amount of crunchtime, working overtime, employee abuse, … going on behind the scenes, which seems to only have gotten worse after Monty Oum’s passing. At the end of the day, all RT does and has ever done is blame others for their incompetence. Like, no shit, I’ve seen fans claim that it’s the FNDM’s job to “keep the show alive” (particularly in the light of #GreenlightVolume10), which… No, that’s not the fans’ job. It’s the job of the company who has been entrusted with this beloved IP, and said company has proven to be utterly incompetent on multiple occasions, which is unfortunate, but a sad reality for all those who love RWBY. And while Rooster Teeth has never directly said such a thing, they have certainly implied it and taken advantage of the existing sentiment within their fanbase, as well as their parasocial relationship with it (again, see #GreenlightVolume10 for reference).

To clarify, I’m not saying none of this would have happened if RT didn’t insist on making RWBY this big franchise (and biting off far more than they could chew in the process) – again, RT was far too notoriously incompetent at everything a company should manage – but I do think it might have played a role. It also isn’t an excuse for all the employee abuse. Again, what they should have done is downsizing the project, not inflating it further and further.

If I’m not somehow completely in the wrong (because IMO this just makes way too much sense to not be at least partially true – but let’s face it, a lot of this is just me connecting dots, and there is always a chance I’m connecting them wrong, even though I don‘t think so), then it kinda blows my mind that there are still people who believe in this scam. Though I will say, emotional attachment can do that to anyone. If anything, I’m honestly sorry that those folks lose something that means so much to them, and that false promises were made to them.

At the end of the day, the story of RWBY (the “franchise”) is twofold. It’s a story about an incredibly talented creator who passed away far too early, who was given the incredible opportunity to make his dream come true. It’s a story of people he trusted taking up his torch, and maybe getting lost in the dark along the way. It’s an inspiring story regardless, and I hope to see it continued at a downsized scale so it can grow organically, preferably in the hands of an indie animation studio like Dillon Goo (🤞)

But it is also a cautionary tale to both creatives and companies who employ them, a tale about false promises, abuse of both employees and fans, as well as how to not run a project. Don’t blow your thing out of proportion too early, don’t create a mock giant / metaphorical quasi-star. Let your ideas and projects grow and flourish organically and sincerely.

#RWBY #Rooster Teeth #RT Shutdown #Rooster Teeth Shutdown #Corporate Meddling #Theorizing #Speculation #Behind the Scenes #Rooster Teeth‘s corporate incompetence #Rooster Teeth toxicity #Monty Oum #Shane Newville #Shane‘s Letter #Open Letter to All who Treasured Monty Oum #RWBY Volume 10 #RWBY Volume 9 #RWBY V9 #RWBY V10 #Greenlight Volume 10 Meta #RWBY Discourse #RT Discourse #RT Critical #Does this count as RWDE? #Anyway #RWDE #Currantlee here

[penny-the-pissed-poltergeist]

kinda fucked up how when anyone brings up Shane's letter they talk about the drama and fandom bullshit stemming from it and not the RT shunning Monty's widow thing

#rwby #rwde #shane newville #shane's letter

[iamafanofcartoons]

My Take on the Rooster Teeth controversy

Rooster Teeth is a corporation. But a corporation is not a person.

CRWBY is the writing team, composed of Miles Luna, Eddy Rivas, Kiersi Burkhart, Eddy Rivas. They are not rooster teeth.

Barbara Dunkelman, Kara Eberle, Arryn Zech and Kdin Jenzen worked with CRWBY and have positive relationships with them. Kdin has repeatedly stated her respect for CRWBY and points to them being separate from Rooster Teeth.

Vic Micnogna Apologists, Shane Newville Letter truthers, Blacksun shippers, Monty’s Vision cultists, Adam Apologists, etc are taking advantage of Rooster Teeth’s behavior to wish harm onto CRWBY and to desire RWBY’s cancellation.

Attacking CRWBY and RWBY does nothing to help RT Employees past and present and only serves to encourage more toxicity than what already exists on the internet.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1ss5f7p

Focus on Rooster Teeth, yes. But don’t go “scorched earth”

That’s like saying to cancel Owl House because Disney runs it.

#kdin jenzen #rooster teeth #crwby #barbara dunkelman #miles luna #shane newville #monty oum #kerry shawcross #rwby #arryn zech #kara eberle #lindsay jones #warner brothers

[marcmarcmomarc]

#rwby #greenlight volume 10 #russel thrush #bryce papenbrook #shane newville #team crdl #the remnant alliance #rwby voice actors

[gradient-of-aster]

I don't know genshin impact at ALL but this is phenomenal.

#Genshin impact #Shane Newville #Mirabeau Studios #these guys either worked on or were majorly inspired by RWBY #RWBY #if you like a good fight scene this is a good time #favorite

[super-hero-confessions]

#confession #shane newville

[rubyrose-isms]

I know Warner Bros won't do this, but if they could sell the rights to RWBY to Mrs. Sheena Duquette Oum, that would be fantastic

#according to shane newville monty regretted doing the show thru rooster teeth and fantasized about getting the ip back somehow #had this been the case she wouldve inhereted the show upon his death #rooster teeth #rwby #monty oum #rwbyisms

[aspiringwarriorlibrarian]

Not happy that there's people trying to have Dillon Goo buy up the rights for the series, not only because he works with Shane Newville (The Monty's Vision guy), but that he just did it in such a callous way. Like all this talk about carrying the torch and working with Monty, yet not even a peep about the CRWBY, who's been carrying his legacy for years, or even about the people who've just lost their JOBS?

It feels skeevy as shit.

I don't know who that is, but anyone who buys the IP better try to employ as many of CRWBY as they possibly can. Like how can you say you're saving anything when hundreds of people are still out of a job at the end of the day? As much as I love RWBY, the real tragedy is those people losing their jobs. That's what needs to be remedied.

#rooster teeth #rwby

[dinodogs]

hey before we get all excited about this Dillon Goo guy, he employs fucking shane newville and openly bashed modern rwby to promote his own show. So like. No thanks sorry.

#personal #rwby

[etincelleart]

i have no idea who that other person is referring to when they say Dillon is friends with "one of the biggest RWDEs ever"

i think are talking about Shane Newville?, especially with that "came up with Monty's vision" thing (who even if don't like him, calling him a "RWDE" isn't accurate like, at all) i will admit he is... kinda responsible for Monty's vision stuff, but think there is a clear difference between "guy who knew Monty personally getting mad that they cut/altered scenes both him and Monty had actually worked on" and "random rewrite that will never be finished guy number 72 saying that they are saving Monty's vision by making RWBY a sisterhood and giving Yang Z cups!" (the "Monty calling team RWBY a sisterhood" thing has no known source BTW)

also all that stuff about them "making RWBY forgive Ironwood" and them hating the Bees kinda just sounds like them projecting a bunch of other people who have been critical of RWBY onto them, i can't find anything about either Dillon or Shane holding those opinions, if Dillon or Shane have said anything to that effect please correct me and give tangible evidence of them saying so. also if I'm wrong here because "Dillon's RWDE friend" is someone else also correct me and provide evidence.

They're talking about Shane Newville yep.

Honestly I don't think I know enough to talk more about this story, but I agree on the fact there's a difference between "X is the leader of this hate movement" and "a part of the fandom distorted everything X said and decided to use it for their hate speech". This doesn't mean Shane has nothing to do with this "Monty's vision" thing but people used that words to spread hate and that's probably not what he intended to do (at least I hope). And on socials I also agree there's a lot that's being said as old and ancient histories but it's hard to verify the infos. And I think we should all not believe everything other read because just like dramas/ship dramas and all, it's just so easy to believe one info someone told you and just never question it (and I can't believe I'm writing that, but questioning informations IS fundamental no matter if it's online or IRL ? Like really I beg people to stop just believing whatever people tell them online

Also I don't know if you're talking to me about "give tangible evidence", if yes that's not my role and I don't owe my time and researches to anyone, if not and it's a general "you" then yes I agree, provide concrete elements because you're still talking about a human being and if you spread infos without anything to verify them it's hard to believe them.

#rwby #rooster teeth #hate speech #fandom

[saltwukong]

I'm winning so fucking hard today

#rwde #rwby #dillon goo #shane newville

[kitkatopinions]

Might talk more about this later but I would really like to hear what people mean when they talk about 'crwby' and say things like 'I support crwby, not RT' and 'don't pirate rwby because crwby says not to,' and 'rwby is separate/different than RT.'

Like first of all, please tell me how you are absolutely certain that your money is exclusively going towards supporting rwby and nothing else and please explain to me how you know for sure that supporting rwby doesn't prop up RT.

Second of all, what the hell do you guys mean by 'crwby?' Are you counting Miles Luna who was the head writer for animation at RT for years and has a history of misogyny? Are you counting the several Rooster Teeth founders who have worked on rwby? Are you counting Barbara Dunkelman who was specifically named by someone talking about the bad conditions at Rooster Teeth who was like, head of PR or something? Do they count as 'part of Rooster Teeth' if they've also worked on things like Achievement Hunter, Gen:Lock, the Internet Box, or other RT shows? Do people count Shane Newville as part of crwby? Are you counting Kdin who liked some of my posts talking about pirating rwby, or are you only talking about that one ex-employee who said to watch rwby on crunchyroll? Are you talking about the numerous employees who came out about mistreatment or are you only talking about the employees who were like 'idk I like it at RT?' Are you counting people like Gray Haddock or Ryan Haywood or are you only counting the former cast that make rwby look good? Do you guys think none of the people who work on rwby actually work at RT and it's just like a completely separate thing entirely? Do you think people are either RT workers or rwby workers instead of both RT workers and rwby workers? Do you just black out when the RT logo flashes before every episode of rwby starts? Do you guys think that Miles Luna did his work as the head of animation whilst secretly plotting RT's downfall and orchestrating how rwby could come out on top like he's Morgana plotting the death of Uther from inside the walls of Camelot? Do you guys think buying bumbleby merchandise from the official Rooster Teeth website is somehow not helping RT? Do you guys think the rwby writers were like, angry and unwilling when RT used the bees to make merch sales, and Barbara and Arryn were forced to do smiling photoshoots of them in sixty dollar sweaters on the company website?

I mean maybe I just don't understand, but to me it's very much so giving 'I don't support JKR, I just support Harry Potter.'

#rwde #anti-rwby

[penny-the-pissed-poltergeist]

edit: the reason i put reboot under Dillon are

it not being rebooted kinda just makes it a "everyone wins" button and that would make the poll boring

2. i also think it'd be pretty likely that they'd reboot it TBH

#rwby #rwde #anti rwde #so everyone sees this #rooster teeth #studio shaft #crwby #dillon goo #shane newville #arc system works #rwby volume 10

[iamafanofcartoons]

Okay so, given that CRWBY never really did anything to push Fairgame as an endgame couple while Rooster Teeth kept putting more and more emphasis on Fairgame in the marketing throughout Volume 7, I think it's safe to say that while there was DEFINITELY some queer baiting, none of it was CRWBY's fault and it was incredibly scummy for Rooster Teeth to set them up to take the fall like that.

CRWBY is always blamed because people want to attack the writers, aka Monty's friends.

Did you also notice that many of the RWBY Critics are now denying that Miles and Kerry were even working with Monty?

Apparently Miles and Kerry are "ruining Monty's vision"

And yet Shane Newville and Sheena, who had almost nothing to do with the show's writing or animation, are suddenly being put on a pedestal and put as victims?

Its as if the RWBY Critics have no idea what Monty or CRWBY ever wanted...oh wait, they didn't...they just wanted a scapegoat.

#monty oum #rwby #rooster teeth #crwby #miles luna #kerry shawcross #shane newville