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#Leviathan symbolism
avatarofcuriousity · 1 year
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Funny how Satan, who sits in between Asmodeus and Leviathan in their usual order; takes Mammon's place.
Right next to Lucifer...
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"Satan and his brothers"
"Satan and HIS FATHER"
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k-i-l-l-e-r-b-e-e-6-9 · 11 months
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astra-ravana · 5 months
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One of my favorite symbols. 🖤
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Art by, Technochroms. (Leviathan Nebula)
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theendofviolet · 1 year
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“dots” vs “lines”
leviathan is full to the brim of the contrasts between stagnation and progress forward. the penultimate battle and vergilius’s internal fight and discussion with carmen are an encapsulation of that. 
there’s a noted repeated concept about “the flow”. to garnet, vergilius explains it as such:
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the “flow” seems to be, to vergilius, this idea of something that pulls you forward in life - like water down a river, unable to be diverted. the water has no choice but to follow it. but of note is that the “flow” is still movement of a kind. the water should not stay in one place. however, to vergilius, his so-called flow has slowed to the point of being “weak” and “stalled”. he had a dream once, a dream to change the world that he shared with roland, which eventually became snuffed out by the immense tragedy of tomerry and the orphanage incident
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meanwhile, jumsoon, mister “dotty” himself, is obsessed with the idea of capturing moments frozen in time. its likely why Schadenfreude was born from his body, as the very idea of the abnormality is a “gaze” trapped in a box. to him, time can be broken up into moments to be witnessed, gazed at, one at a time. “dots”. to him, a child with a vibrant life can be crushed into a single beautiful gem to witness. even the objects being sold at the auction are of things captured as representation of a flash of time - such as the man dancing, everlasting, in a glass box
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this of course is why vergilius eventually succeeds against him, and also succeeds against the manipulations of carmen, because what both are focused on is “momentary satisfaction”. this is not enough for vergilius. to him, the flow is everything, and as long as the flow can be followed, “dots” become “lines”
"For a person who is moving, a point is just a fleeting moment. The dot is just a moment. If the countless moments of despair that came to me pile up and become years, the moments that were just dots will become lines and create a path of possibility."
vergilius ends leviathan with a new course, a new goal. he will move forward even if this takes him “into the hell of my karma” where he “will rest there alone”. he cannot be stagnant or stalled any longer.
after all, the flow cannot be stopped
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so, to recap:
-the navy has, in fact, killed leviathans. that wasnt just something jayson said to fuck with gillion.
-artificial leviathans are made of Goop and metal, speak primordial, and take orders from the navy
-admiral ferin knew the hole in the sea was going to happen, because the "solar mother" warned her
-she is also aware the black sea will spread one day, and claims to be ready for it
-there are "black ops" that serve the navy, which are essentially clones of people, that have replaced multiple people and are living as them
-the navy is in possession of a machine that can alter a persons mind state and "push them to be a more obedient soldier
-kuba kenta is imprisoned here
-kuba kenta looks slightly different, "the reincarnation isnt perfect"
-there are four symbols in the bastion: an anchor, a pair of wings, two golden eyes, and a sun
-and, most strangely: someone was here recently
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spearxwind · 2 years
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leviathan classification charts? 👉👈🥺
So! Since in Challenger Deep leviathans can look immensely different from each other they've developed a way to classify them based on their size and on their aggression, and using both factors they have a symbol based chart
These symbols are meant to be easily readable and recognizable, so you would only need a glance to know what you're up against, as well as being easy to draw in a rush in case you need to leave a warning to someone else!
The size classes are all represented by a base symbol from smallest (cutter) to biggest (freighter), and the danger class is represented by the bars overlaid on it. There are no specific length/weight etc dimensions to classify each size, they are usually pretty straightforward (you can tell what's the size of a car vs the size of a bus and so on).
The bars are also meant to represent harpoons: one harpoon lying down for the docile ones, one harpoon at the ready for the neutral ones, two harpoons at the ready for the aggressive ones, and the harpoons crossed (like a jolly roger) for the hunter killers.
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The size classes are all named after different types of seafaring vessels also (in which each one is bigger than the last) !
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god, I really have to play Dishonored + Knife of Dunwall + Brigmore Witches again
#literally just currently thinking about Daud and The Flooded District and metaphor and the concept of The Narrative and roles#and being Serkonan and not really being Part of this but also you're indelibly part of it and being removed from it all#and how everything in this district does not matter and how everything here matters more than anything#Daud as gleefully engaging in the metaphor on purpose until he is being driven mad that nobody else sees the tandem of the narrative themes#The Flooded District as both the heart (haha) of the symbolism but also so distant from the meat of the narrative and what Corvo cares abou#being so genre aware it becomes like eldritch horror to you. being so far from what matters that suddenly your actions are more meaningful#this gang of butchers in a figurative butcher's market (the former Financial District) laying on top of a former literal butcher's place#this height of metaphor that is also so removed from the narrative that anything you do here doesn't “matter” per se#against a villain who is cracking under feeling he is the only one truly WITNESSING it all and is trying to exit the narrative#and that is the one place where you can choose actual mercy—BECAUSE of these things#the first real mission in the game where your only objective is to get out. where revenge is truly optional. where mercy is real and true.#among these assassins called whalers. in a flooded financial district overrun with plague where they butchered the first leviathans.#“And yet you choose... mercy. Extraordinary.”#anyway anyway anyway
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sepublic · 2 years
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Andrias... The way Leif got him to open up and it all comes together literally when he opens his mech. And Anne, a HEART, goes right through him; As if Andrias is finally letting his heart back in. He’s finally feeling and living again, which means he can die, unlike the Core; So he accepts his fate and lets it happen. Finally lets it in, the reality and the acceptance of everything and how it ends, instead of trying to deny and avoid it. Andrias was looking for an answer and he finally got his closure.
And by accepting the reality, there’s no more need to keep fighting this senseless war; And he can die and rest now. By opening up, he lets go; The rage and the bitterness. And without it, there really is nothing left to keep him going... The suffering finally ends and so too does Andrias. The relief that it’s finally over and he can move on... From not just the emotional but physical pain by ceasing to exist. He followed his heart and knew he had to die to end the suffering for himself and others... He’s free now.
This fucking trope y’all of the villain finally letting go of the hatred in their heart for the peace and rest of death.
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empyreanmirror · 6 months
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scrunkl3bunk1e · 2 years
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brimstone lover
[id: a blinkie with four repeating frames, showing the leviathan/brimstone symbol turning. it is black and has a red-white dot border. text in the centre, in red, says “Brimstone lover”. /end b-id]
Ahwhwhehhe!!!! Thx so much for the love on my Isaac one!! Azazel fans this is for you 🥺👉👈
This was my favourite to do so far hehe… :)
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onlythespiteremains · 17 days
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Acquired some bling.
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abyssalpriest · 1 month
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Me clicking on this album purely because "oh that album art is giving such Lev vibes and energy" bruh
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Bruh!!!!!!!! What the fuck is this!
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shallowseeker · 3 months
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Hey Shal, I have a question about your family diner meta. Mad respect, but in the Leviathan arc Biggerson's is made out to be a bad thing. I was wondering if you have any thoughts on that, since in the Cas tablet meta where Naomi attacks Cas, you talk about Biggerson's being bigger sons -> better than their fathers because of their bigger hearts is a good thing? Anyway, I'm hoping this comes across as a friendly question!
I tend to shy away from writing about some stuff from that season, because a lot of it seems very era-attenuated. Example: how an average librarian is referred to as "Chubby" and her beau as "Chub-chaser" in Repo Man. In general some of the mean despair over "fat people" in this season comes off Hollywood-seedy and thoughtless, but it's soooo of the times.
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For a little while era, the documentary SuperSize Me reigned supreme in every bit of small-talk and in every classroom. Jessica Simpson was a frequent target of weight-shaming, including this hugely publicized fiasco from 2009, when she looked like a walking dream BTW.
In this way, SPN is like a time capsule. (Like how, if you were alive at the time during post-"war on terror," Torture was the big topic in every current events class, verging on a buzz word.)
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Yes, Biggerson's is a BIG motif in season 7, and with negative connotations. It's a nod to SuperSize Me. It's especially damning for the punching-down attitudes in Hollywood.
I want to point out that although the name is cheeky, Biggerson's wasn't even inherently bad in-world.
The Leviathan were a rotten supplier to this family chain industry, dosing their food with additives, which mirrors a lot of the real-world chatter that was going on about trans-fats, partially hydrogenated oil, etc. People were working really hard to get them banned!
When you get down to it, the people inside Biggerson's were being actively preyed upon.
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What I think I want to carefully pivot to is the dark side of humanity and family, that of consumerism and exploitation.
I think overall that the family diner is still a positive motif, but as with every motif, there's a shadow side--the uncharitable side, a side that can be carried to extremes.
The "shadow self" of the family diner motif is excess and greed exploiting the family by ravaging its most basic requirement to survive: shelter and nourishment.
They are making humans into livestock. This was also a rampant idea in the 2000s: about selectively breeding farm animals so that they get dumber and dumber, until they're easy to subjugate for meat, assembly-line style. I think they briefly touch on this again in season 12...with the Moloch monster and family business of meat packaging.
Anyway, SPN was trying to loop this idea in, too.
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So, yes. BIG erson's. Bigger Sons. Etc. Etc.
You want your kids to be better than you, with "bigger hearts" and more kindness. But bigger and stronger can have a heck of a downside, too.
But at its heart, the family diner also represents communion and community. It is, after all, the weak, vulnerable human family that Cas wants to protect in season 8.
It's both things at once.
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And Cas becomes the ideal/idea/motif of the always-working dad/husband that wants to provide for you but doesn't indulge in happiness or nourishment for himself.)
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Flagrant consumerism is a big part of Nephilim concept, too, and that's a very ancient story. Theirs was an extensive appetite that so drained the world they had to be eradicated to save the world. In a very real symbolic sense, We are the Nephilim. (On the nose maybe, but we are empire: too tall, too strong, too wasteful, war-mongering, dominating etc. etc.)
And my point is, I think humans have always been aware of the tension and war that comes with the competition for finite resources. It's not just a modern, "American" concept.
In early days, our conceptualization of gods and demi-gods mimics the food chain. Ergo: If gods are above us, they're like other stronger animals...they want to eat us. Thus, sacrificing to them is a way to appease them.
Humanity and religion are historically oriented towards pooling resources to survive. Many religions, even the big ones imho, are a clever family-extension device, that's why it they’re so littered with parental components. (It's used to bind people “under one roof” and funnel the resources appropriately.
Certainly, that how Cults and Causes start; in meaningful ways they're all baby/early religions. And when enough time goes by, and the leaders die, etc etc...they devolve to myth and respectable religions proper. The ultimate difference is time.
If angels are royal families, ancient knights-and-tribalism, then Leviathan were supreme capitalism.
It worked well in theory, even when the execution was sometimes lacking to too campy to get the satire across. Especially coming from, you know, Hollywood. And Biggerson's is a warped shadow of that appetite symbol.
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rpf-bat · 5 months
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Every year I’m tempted to write a self indulgent Yule themed reader insert and every year I don’t do it because it feels out of character.
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am0ngtheb0nes · 1 year
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In symbolism fawn represent childhood innocence and gentleness. Seems quiet opposed to an orphan who’s dreams drip with blood yet unshed. A broken doll strung with secrets and lies.  How long can a legacy like this really stay buried?
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