#Ladybug Salt

[theerurishipper]

Gotta appreciate how the Paris special is being consistent with Ladybug not giving any emotional support back to Cat Noir in their partnership.

He is instantly supporting her the moment she starts freaking out again while he was now forced to Cataclysm the SECOND person in one day and that being his own evil alternate self. Both Monarch and Claw Noir forced Cat Noir to cataclysm them because their both suicidal wrecks.

One would think at one point Marinette would even just ATTEMPT at trying to give Cat some kind of emotional support in what he's constantly going through. But no I guess?

Ladybug never ever gives any support back in return besides the barest minimum she absolutely HAS to while constantly being showered in his support.

Man, she's just a bad partner at this point. And leader. And guardian. And friend too. Why is she being characterized like that, how am I supposed to NOT call this out for the awfully one-sided dynamic this is? Of course Adrien by the s5 finale ended up fearing his one powers and emotions so badly that he gave himself up because of the nightmares and his circumstances. He can't ask Ladybug for help in anything and Marinette is out here not reacting accordingly as a partner should to the most obvious fucking problems Cat Noir could have in front of her eyes!

Why does she apparently need an invitation and 30 pages essay of explicitly explained proof that Cat after having been forced to cataclysm Monarch and Claw Noir MIGHT for once actually need the emotional support from his friend, partner, leader and guardian!

Who could have fucking guessed! Oh wait everyone with a braincell could and SHOULD be able to figure that, then why is Marinette Galaxy brain Dupain-Cheng STILL doing nothing in this dynamic besides receiving??

At this point, I've honestly just given up on expecting that the writers will ever allow Marinette to return the support Chat Noir gives her. He literally just got back from being forced to Cataclysm someone and had it happen again, and we didn't even a get a little enquiry from her asking if he was alright. She saw that he was horrified, she herself was horrified, but not even a second was spared to ask him if he was okay after that. And yet, he gives her a pep talk when she breaks down again (this is the second time tonight) and supports her through it again. And true enough, he couldn't overcome this issue, and guess who spent the finale locked in a white room because he got no support from anyone for anything?

Shadybug and Claw Noir post-redemption are probably gonna have a healthier relationship than main universe Ladynoir atp. I almost wish we could just watch their relationship develop instead.

Thank you for your ask!

#ML Salt #ML Writing Salt #ML Writers Salt #Marinette Salt #Ladybug Salt #Meta #My meta #Asks #Ladynoir conflict

[broadwaycutie16]

Calling all Adrien stans! Calling all Marinette salters! Calling all salt fic haters!

For those of you who don’t know, I wrote a sequel to the infamous Karma of Lies fanfic, with the help of a friend, and have decided to start a series where I write sequels to fix certain salt fics, especially those who are harshest to Adrien. But I would like some co-authors. Anyone who is interested, please comment on this post.

SUGGESTIONS

No one sees me but know I’m right here by kellikat23

Rejection AU by various

The Wolves in the Woods by FoxWitchWrites and Rafe_Minsi

Two Letters by CartoonAddict564

The Karma of Lies by CartoonAddict564 (because that one is just so horrible and needs more sequels)

Karma Overbalance by Shadymissionary

New Life and New Friends by Cornholio4

What Goes Around Comes Around by Cornholio4

Leave comments if there are any other stories you want to see.

#miraculous ladybug #ml salt #marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir #miraculous salt #marinette salt #adrien sugar #miraculous #mlb salt #ladybug salt #salt on salters #salt on saltinette #saltinette salt #marinette bashing #anti adrien salt #ml the karma of lies #the karma of lies

[froldgapp]

We Need a Hero. Ladybug Ain't It

In a July 2023 interview for the Guardian, creator of the Bechdel test, Alison Bechdel, bemoaned the toothless response from big media properties to demands for more complex female leads:

Is it dismaying that so many films continue to fail the test?

What’s really dismaying now is the way so many movies cynically try to take shortcuts and feature strong female characters – but they just have a veneer of strength and they’re still not fully developed characters.

I won't argue that Marinette/Ladybug isn't developed, but rather, that in Astruc's pursuit of a Strong Female Lead, we have a character whose strength, agency, wit, grief and elation, is most often at the expense of the cast around her.

We see this most clearly in her relationship with Adrien/Chat Noir. Here is a boy who is controlled, neglected, (arguably) abused, lied to, used, and weaponised by his sole guardian; his father. This has resulted in a sheltered and naive character who canonically has a desperately conditional understanding of love and loyalty. Most if not all of the displays of love Gabriel shows Adrien rest not on Adrien the person, but on Adrien the asset. His life is not his own, and as is revealed in very literal terms in Season 5, nor is his body.

The Gabriel and Adrien dynamic echoes through the Marinette and Adrien relationship. We are shown, explicitly in canon, that Marinette doesn't really know Adrien. He's a heartthrob and she understandably has a crush on him. But while in later seasons she casts aspersions at his army of adoring fans who go to any length to be close to him, she herself is clearly no better. Evidence says she's much worse actually. She takes astounding liberties with his day to day life, she lies to get closer to him, she polices his relationships with specifically other female characters, she delights in his sadness as seen in Glaciator 2:

Marinette: Oh, Adrien! Fancy seeing you here! And you look so sad, that's good!

Marinette as hero even abuses her position as Ladybug to break into his room, rifle around his things and even sniff his pillow. The show seems to make some attempt to explain away her behaviour in Derision by telling us that, in fact, Marinette does all this because she is the wounded party. Even if we accept for the moment that Derision wasn't a lazy retro-justification in service of Marinette's poor behaviour, her trauma does not trump Adrien's right to privacy.

Except, in-show, anything Marinette wants or needs trumps anything anyone else wants or needs, including Adrien–her ostensible partner. Adrien feels left out? Actually, this is more stress for Ladybug. Adrien dates Kagami? Actually this is competition for Marinette. Adrien is locked in a near-sensory deprivation chamber by his super villain father and feels forced to relinquish his miraculous? Actually this is bad news for Marinette.

If she's a hero, then she's one that comes with a price–one far beyond what I'm willing to accept as audience. I want a flawed hero. I don't want perfection. But equally, I don't want to be force fed the notion that this girl's dominant flaw is being a clutz. We get a few brief glimpses into the cost of her controlling behaviours but generally we suffer almost the entire cast telling us she is the Most Wonderful and Supreme Being That Has Ever Existed, all this while she consistently excels within the narrative through the diminishment of others. Need we remember her acing the gamer competition having never displayed a previous interest? How she surpasses even Joan of Arc in all matters miraculous?

Marinette the knight and Adrien the supposed Princess in the Tower: on paper the concept is a little tired but interesting, worth exploring. The role reversal that Astruc aimed for fell short though, and what we have instead is a role amplification. As I write, I struggle to think of a piece of media where the romantic interest has been quite so violated, lied to, limited and enfeebled.

Why did Bechdel's quote ring so true with how Marinette/Ladybug is drawn? That I feel cheated. That the potential for greatness was there, but instead we have a character who from a slightly different angle looks like a hero from wow-heroes-are-jerks juggernaut, The Boys.

I hope Season 6 interrogates Marinette's issues of control and denying agency more. I hope we see consequences beyond what is now a tedious series of panic attacks from Marinette when she's caught short. I hope real contrition and growth are modelled and that real, impactful, damaging character flaws aren't swept away by a cloud of narrative magical ladybugs.

#mlb salt #ladybug salt #chat noir #ml salt #mlb meta #adrien agreste #ladybug #marinette

[lostuntothisworld]

The thing about Miraculous Ladybug salt is that I do see their sides, but I also think if the show does course correct (I.E. Adrien learning the Truth and it being given the proper narrative weight it deserves, etc.) I don't think anything the writers will do will be good enough for the salters.

Even with how things have gone with the last few seasons, AND the season 5 finale, I actually do think there's a compelling story to be told.

But I don't think it's going to have anything to do with what 99% of the fandom wants story wise, so even if it's decent in my opinion, it'll still be salted on.

#miraculous ladybug #adrien agreste #cat noir #chat noir #ladybug salt #miraculous ladybug salt #ml salt #ml fandom salt

[stickypiratevoid]

About S4 and S5

Fandom: Zoe have been planned from the start! It's just Chloe stans being delusional!

S3 Eps 18 Timetagger

Future Bunnyx: Chat Noir is sooooo reckless! He lost a miraculous in the future!

S4 Finale

Ladybug: *freaking lost ALL the miraculouses*

You can't freaking make up this shit. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHASJ

There's no freaking way Bunnyx would say that shit unless she have a BIIIIGGG FAT CRUSH on Ladybug and have bias larger than universe itself

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous salt #miraculous ladybug salt #ml salt #miraculous slander #ml slander #marinette salt #ladybug salt #just in case #bunnyx salt #alix salt #writing salt #what writing #istg

[c512h]

I'm conducting a social experiment

#i don't hate them #just curious #marinette salt #ladybug salt #anti marinette #anti lb #anti ladybug #love square salt #miraculous ladybug #adrienette salt #mlb salt #anti sakura haruno #anti sakura uchiha #anti sakura fandom #anti sasusaku #anti sakura #anti ss

[artzychic27]

Hello, I want to ask what are the science kids & the Austins worst experiences with Marinette or Ladybug were? Like it could be mixed of both, I’m just wondering.

Okay! *cracks knuckles* Let’s fucking do this!

Simon:

Asked by her many many many times to help her get some video footage of Adrien. He would’ve said yes, but Marinette asked for him to do it in secret

Uh… Illegal? And when they said no, she snapped and sent him dozens of photos she took of Adrien in secret before storming off… He’s an accomplice now.

Reshma:

Alienated simply because she was rich and Marinette saw a photo of her in a magazine with Chloé for some charity gala, and immediately assumed the worst

Marinette spread a rumor back when they were twelve that she and Chloé are friends, making it hard for Reshma to make any friends for herself

Denise:

Reprimanded by Ladybug in front of dozens of people for “vigilantism” when really, they just punched an Akuma before it could attack Simon

When they commissioned a dress, Marinette explained that she didn’t quite have enough fabric for Denise’s build, even when Denise made serval offers to pay double. She didn’t wanna “waste” fabric. (I’ll give some of ya’ll a moment to think about what that means)

Jean:

Pressured into giving up the lead role in a play to Adrien so Marinette could kiss him

He got Akumatized because of that, and received a harsh lecture for Ladybug over forgiveness or some shit, and Marinette never apologized to him

Ismael:

Marinette: “No offense, and not to be rude, but your current look is kinda butch. I get your wanna- I mean, your are a guy, but you could stand to look a little more presentable. And remember, there’s no shame in having a feminine touch to your clothes.”

She’s one of those aggressively accepting people who goes on about how “Ismael, you should be a model! You look so good! I can make you tons of binders, and I’ll donate the money to transgender charities!”

Marc:

He wore ONE magenta skirt to school and now Marinette keeps trying to get him to wear more traditionally feminine clothing and be her model for an “inclusive line”. And when he was Rooster Bold, Ladybug kept trying to get him to transform into an outfit more like Pigella’s

Marinette keeps giving him terrible advice for dating Nathaniel, even going so far as to suggest he should stalk him

Cosette:

Promised dozens of times to help them study for a big test, but NEVER kept them. Cosette managed to get a good grade on their own, but there Marinette is taking the credit for “helping them study” and soaking up the praise

And Cosette is just like: Uh, bitch? You didn’t do jackshit.

Lacey:

While doing parkour around Paris, she was interrupted by a sudden Akuma attack. As she was sprinting back home, Ladybug swooped in out of nowhere and knocked them off the side of a building. Lacey was horribly injured and Ladybug didn’t do shit to help her back up, Chat Noir did

And when the Cure took effect, instead of asking if she was alright, Ladybug had the gall to reprimand her and Chat in front dozens od people for their “recklessness”, and Lacey was forced to take some shitty seminar of safety and shit even though she’s gone through all the regulations of what she can and can’t do

Zoé:

Unwillingly dragged into the cringe Adrinette plans despite her constantly saying no, only to be met with some clear gaslighting from Marinette

When she told Marinette about how she was bullied at school, this girl made it all about herself and talked about how she was constantly bullied by Chloé until Zoé faked being sick and left… Then Marinette texted her the rest of her story when she got home

Aurore:

Aurore has a habit of correcting people, not to be rude, just so they don’t make the mistake again. When Ladybug was having a hard time figuring out what to do with her Lucky Charm, and her method would have put lives in danger, Aurore rushed in and used the Lucky Charm in a way that wouldn’t have risked the lives of probably dozens

And although Aurore received praise from the citizens for her quick thinking, Ladybug was pissed, scolded Aurore for behaving so recklessly without a Miraculous, and told everyone to never follow her example. This public scene got Aurore suspended from being the weather girl for a while until some protesters backed her up

Mireille:

When Marinette heard she was going to a party with Adrien thanks to her dad’s connections, she kept trying to “coerce” Mireille into making her her plus-one. But Mireille said no dozens of time and in a fit of jealousy, Marinette moved the “wet floor” sign and Mireille tripped and fell on the floor, allowing Marinette to steal her ticket

While on bed rest, Mireille turned the tv on and saw Marinette in a pink evening dress holding Adrien’s hand and going on about how Mireille was so nice to give up her ticket to her since she couldn’t go

Austin A:

As revenge for a bad review on her website, Marinette stole his makeup bag and swapped out his face cream for something Austin’s allergic to. So, when Austin used it, his skin broke out in hives and he had to go to the hospital

When he returned to school, he heard Marinette going on to her friends about how he deserved what happened. The worst part of this is that the bad review was warranted. The scarf he commissioned unraveled easily

Austin B:

He decided to try out for the Mecha Strike tournament because Max was out sick and wouldn’t be able to compete. He won, and gets to play alongside Adrien. But, then! Marinette swoops in and steals his position

Then she rubs it in his face in private, telling him the school doesn’t need “another Chloé” representing them

Austin Q:

Saw him walking his brother home while he was in his headspace, made a show that she was concerned about him of all people being the one to care for Félice, causing Félice to have a panic attack that she accused Austin of causing

Saw him buying a shark plushie at a toy store and took a picture, which she sent to everyone, and Austin was too mortified to leave his own home

Austin T

During a school bake sale, more customers were going to his booth instead of hers, she got jealous and made backhanded compliments about how “his pastries are so good that Austins clearly enjoys them himself” (Give y’all a moment to think about what she meant)

When Ladybug came fo the school as a guest speaker to speak about abuse, she used Austin and Jean as an example when talking about dating violence, implying that Austin is an emotional abuser and questioning why Jean wears so many long-sleeve shirts

*Later*

Aurore: So, we’re in agreement. Marinette needs to be stopped, expelled, and then arrested.

Austin T: And Ladybug needs to turn in her Miraculous to someone who’s not a total b-word.

Denise: For sure. That girl just expects me to sit by and let my friends get hurt so she can do her stupid Cure in the very end? Nope! I’m getting real sick of that bitch!

Austin A: So… What’s the plan?

Everyone: …

Simon: Honestly, I don’t have one. Okay, both of them have too much influence, they know celebrities, and a bunch of fans to back them up… Huh. Saying it out loud, Marinette and Ladybug are kinda similar.

Jean: … Oh, hell no.

Cosette: Nope. No, you stop thinking that, Jean.

Jean: Too late.

Austin B: Well, if you look at the facts, it makes sense. Plus, it’s not a coincidence we’ve been screwed over by those two in the worst possible ways.

Aurore: True. But, Marinette will just pull the “poor me” card and say her actions were from the stress of being Ladybug.

Marc: … Fuck it. Fuck any photo consent laws. We follow Marinette during an Akuma attack, take a video of her transforming and post it on an untraceable anonymous account. She’s forced to give up her Miraculous to someone WAY more competent, and that takes care of one problem. While she’s getting the martyr treatment, we expose Marinette for the person she truly is in and out of the mask. She loses everything, and we win.

Everyone: …

Ismael: Marc… I am so proud of you! You devious little Angel! Let’s do this! Are you people ready?!

Reshma: So ready.

Austin Q: I was born to do this!

Cosette: LET’S BURN THAT BITCH TO THE GROUND!

Oops. I dropped these. Enjoy!

Proof Marinette is a Sociopath- Brought to you by Reddit

Marinette is Problematic

Marinette being a Stalker- Part 1

Marinette is a creepy stalker

#come at me stans #I fucking dare you #expect salt fics for your precious princess #Lila salt is getting played out anyway #miraculous ladybug #mlb ocs #the austins #aurore boréale #mireille caquet #jean duparc #marc anciel #Marinette bashing #Marinette salt #Marinette Dupain Cheng bashing #salt #mlb salt #Ladybug salt #ask me stuff #answered ask

[western-magical-girl-confessions]

“I feel like Marinette should've been stripped of the Ladybug miraculous tbh (Or at least have someone reel her in and give her a dose of reality).”

#marinette salt #marinette critical #ml salt #mlb salt #marinette dupain cheng #ladybug salt #ml #mlb #miraculous #miraculous ladybug #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #miraculous ladybug confessions #western magical girl confessions #confession 2186

[bluenettee]

i don’t understand people hating alya SO MUCH like yeah she fucked up a few times (I still dont forgive her about that Lila shit) but god DAMN its never that serious

#alya cesaire #miraculous ladybug #mlb fandom #mlb #ladybug salt

[miraculousalt]

...

They're so gonna make Alya Maribugs main partner from S6 onwards & turn Adrichat into nothing but Marinettes littl boyfriend who's gonna take ova the Bakery.

The show's gonna chuck Adrien into the Dupain-Chengs kitchen now that the teams back so he can b her little house spouse hubby who will forever make her a sandwich and never ever ask for more.

There are 15 more full-time heros now on LBs team. Adrien is only gonna leave the kitchen again when Ladybug asks him to when they need his cataclysm.

That shit just makes too much sense oh my goooooooooooood

I remember the time Wen I loved the idea of Adrien takin over the Bakery but at this point of the morality of Marinettes Story? ..lets not kid ourselves. Marinette Dupain-Cheng ended up standing for nothing but revenge porn feminism coated under a narrative that teaches bullied girls questionable leadership on other people's expenses the villains have to make up for by just... conveniently not doing the logical thing, & to hate everyone round them who doesn "treat them right".

If Adrien takes over the Bakery its just so he can be Marinettes stay-at-home hubby who takes care of the children, their home, her parents and will make her a sandwich for all eternity... It aint gonna happen for him, it's happening so she can be a #girlboss with her whipped malewife at her service an thats it...

Gosh abused children are watching this...

#marinette salt #ladynoir critical #ladybug salt #i'm tagging it salt fuck off #Ml salt #Miraculous critical #U just know Adrien is not gonna take over the Bakery for himself #They're gonna have him do it so Marinettes parents don't ask her for help anyway #And so Chat has a civilian life purpose they can pretend like is the respectful pay-off for replacing him with Rena #But most importantly #You just KNOW they are gonna put him in the kitchen so he can serve Marinette by making her a sandwich #Oh my Gog I just lost all hope

[theerurishipper]

This is in response to some arguments in defense of the finale I've seen recently, and if you do believe these, then more power to you! But I disagree, and I'm gonna talk about why.

Rant under the cut. Fair warning, this gets pretty salty.

So I've seen a lot of arguments about how it just wouldn't be possible to have Adrien in the final battle, whether it be because it would be too traumatic for him and we can't explore that in the middle of a fight, or because it would take away focus from Marinette and she would be irrelevant ultimately. And I actually agree!

But what could possibly be done to resolve this? Oh, I know! Fucking write better.

If you were going to put Adrien in the position of being central to the story and write him out with the excuse that he can't live up to that role for various reasons, then why did you write him in that role? It's obvious to anyone that if Gabriel is Adrien's father, then the emotional weight of the conflict would be centered on him and not Marinette. Then why did you still write that into the show? If you wanted to focus on Marinette over Adrien anyway, then why did you make Gabriel be Hawkmoth? Let some other rando be Hawkmoth! And now there's no value to Gabriel being the villain beyond giving Marinette some material for her grand speech (which didn't do shit cause she still lost).

And if you were going to say that Adrien was too traumatized to be in the battle or that he wouldn't be able to deal with it well or that we couldn't see that... write around it? Have him deal with it before, or something, I don't know! Maybe give him that sweet sweet character development? Maybe let the friends who are supposed to support him actually do that? Idk man, this is all coming across as a bunch of excuses to me.

The thing is, this is a kids show. It's not real. The writers control everything that happens. It's not about "realism," it's about narrative payoff. It's about the most satisfying outcome. It's about character arcs. If Adrien was never supposed to face his father in a fight, then why make him a superhero? Could have just let him be Adrien the teen model love interest while Marinette is the superhero. Why give him powers which thematically represent him breaking free from his oppressive life and an enmity with his own father if it never mattered? If "it's us against the world, my lady," and "we'll get all the Miraculous back together," never mattered, then why include it? If two partners chosen to fight evil together and the yin-yang symbolism never mattered, why set it up?

If you set something up, you have a responsibility to deliver on it, and Miraculous failed. And yeah. I get that it's hard. I'm not saying writing is easy. But anything is better than this! Writing is your job, and I don't expect literal perfection, but I expect it to fulfill the basic expectations of writing. I expect it to at least be good. This is not good. They literally ignored their own story and themes and character arcs and narrative payoff because they wanted Marinette to get a swanky new outfit and a cool fight scene. It wasn't even for her character. It's just so that they can put give her a cool power-up and sell Bug Noire dolls. It's disrespectful to Adrien's character, and it's disrespectful to Marinette's character too.

The writers failed to make Marinette interesting in terms of the conflict with Gabriel. They gave all the set-up to Adrien and didn't want to write the payoff. There are no emotional stakes in the final battle. They literally only talk about Adrien, and he's not there for that. It's bad writing. And if they didn't let Adrien be a part of the arc with his father as the villain, what hope does he have in the arcs with Lila as the antagonist, since she is a Marinette-centric villain? TA has already said that Marinette is Barbie and Adrien is just Ken. The writers have said that Gabriel is considered a hero by the end of Season 5. The show bible says that Adrien will never find out that his father is Hawkmoth.

Let's face it, they aren't coming back to this. Gabriel's era is over. Miraculous is well known for setting up conflicts and dropping them like a hot potato. If we ever deal with this, it's gonna be half an episode of Adrien forgiving Marinette because "she did it out of love." None of this will matter come Season 6. The supposed conflict being set up now will matter to Season 6 as much as the Ladynoir set up in Strikeback with the "we'll take back all the Miraculous together, you and me," mattered to Season 5, which is to say not at all.

#Meta #My meta #S5 Finale #ML Salt #ML Writers Salt #ML Writing Salt #Marinette Salt #Not really but just to be safe #Ladybug Salt #If salt really ticks you off then please don't read this #I'm not here to change anyone's mind #I'm just ranting

[aguinhaac]

Marinette foolish lead Hawkmoth to Fu by not Isn't that the reason Queen Wasp 2.0 Happened

uh what mari you see episode miraculous oid

new s5 ep 14 is joke ??? Sus Thomas

Yep she did

She KNEW that mayura was following her, but apparently she was just "too focus" that her friend was with her crush and just forgot ONE OF THE MAIN RULE, DO NOT TALK TO MASTER FU AS LADYBUG, AND AFTER "Feast" SHE SHOULD BE DOUBLE CAREFUL. HAWKMOTH KNOW HOW HE LOOKS LIKE. BUT BECAUSE SHE IS MORE FOCUSED ON ADRIEN ROMANCE LIFE THEN THE AKUMA KILLING PEOPLE THAT CAUSED HER TO JUST LEAD HAWKMOTH TO FU.

Ugh, do I need to show the print again?

Perfect my ass. Ladybug Is selfish, that's what she is. She abuses her power, she is rude even to people she "likes" she Treat her partners as Wheapons or just as something she owns. Just like chat she don't care that there's people dying in the street or not,

So yes, ladybug did it, she exposed her master to hawkmoth. Ladybug is an idiot

Also about "derision" I am gonna review the other episodes first, The next is passion, but I will review it soon, and thanks for pointing this out again.

#miraculous ladybug #mlb #miraculous #miraculous salt #mlb salt #ml #mlb sucks #miraculous ladybug salt #ml salt #ladybug salt #lb salt #marinette salt #I tried my best to understand what the heck he said #hope I understood it right lol

[nono-bunny]

Marinette becoming the guardian was the worst thing to happen to ML imo

Like I kinda feel like the entire purpose behind making Marinette the guardian was to invalidate the “Adrien should have been the main character” beyond the whole thing with Thomas calling people misogynistic, except it backfired because she’s a terrible fucking guardian? Like legit even when she was merely a guardian apprentice she did an awful job, and while I personally believe that she’s also a bad Ladybug in general... That’s much more subjective than her being a bad guardian who is solely responsible for her predecessor's downfall and for losing all the miraculouses to HM

Like even beyond my own personal growing dislike of her, Mari/LB salt has just been on a pretty steep rise ever since she was given more narrative importance in season 3, because she is legitimately unqualified for her role and keeps messing up in really annoying and stupid ways she doesn’t even learn from. I know a lot of people are aware of the ways Adrien/Chat became a worse character just to lift Mar/LB up, but like. Even she herself became insufferable once she stopped being merely a lucky teenage hero doing her best and went straight into being the undisputed leader of all Parisian heroes- she legit just doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt anymore. Her incompetence used to be a relatable and endearing character trait, but now it just truly feels out of place with how the show expects us to believe in and root for her when she’s just given power ups or narrative prizes every time she majorly fucks up. Failures aren’t the end of the road, and that’s a good message for a TV show to portray, but at the same time they shouldn’t be ignored beyond serving as one off emotional hooks the show uses as an excuse to launch into a completely different character state almost entirely off screen. There is literally nothing about season 5 that explains why the “reverse love square” is happening in it specifically out of nowhere, nothing to explain why ONLY Mari got a random visual upgrade in season 4, and there’s nothing that makes sense about how the solution to most of the part-time heroes being exposed is to just employ more of them.

I have always been a pretty vocal fan of Chloe, and obviously I hate what happened to her in Miracle Queen and season 4, but she absolutely wasn’t the only victim there- pretty much all of the plot stuff I truly actively dislike about ML now are a result of that episode, and more specifically, of Marinette now being the guardian. Master Fu was a shitty mentor and guardian, for sure, but... I infinitely prefer him in the role than Mari, because the moment she assumed the role in full was the moment I truly started disliking her, and, honestly, even the show itself to a degree. With great power comes great responsibility, and Mari isn’t responsible enough to be able to carry it alongside the heavy burden of being the likeable main character without failing at both, unfortunately.

#miraculous ladybug #ML #marinette dupain cheng #ml season 3 #ml season 4 #ml season 5 #ml rant #ml salt #marinette salt #ladybug salt

[lostuntothisworld]

I read somewhere about fan theories that Ladybug doesn’t consider Cat Noir “real”. Does anyone care to explain that or send me a link to a post? It’s very intriguing

(Sentimonster Adrien aside, I don’t think Marinette considered Adrien to be a real person since the very beginning)

#Ml salt #ladybug salt #love square salt #Miraculous ladybug salt #marinette salt

[lostinbooks14]

It is a truth universally acknowledged that Marinette and Ladybug both suck- but in different ways.

And Why? (Comment?)

#would love to hear your thoughts #but please dont give the “marinette's young” excuse #im her age and would never do half the stupid/mean/creepy things she does #but im open to listening to all other opinions! #(Its kinda sad how badly these writers effed up their MAIN CHARACTER tho...) #miraculous ladybug #miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir #miraculous lb #ml ladybug #miraculous marinette #marinette dupain cheng #mlb ladybug #mlb marinette #marinette salt #ladybug salt #miraculous polls #ml writers salt

[indigomarina]

Y’know that fanfic idea thing I posted, well I just made the first fanfic with the concept. Hope you like it.

#miss fortune au #chat noir #miraculous ladybug #miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir #ladybug salt #marinette salt #butterflies and kittens #aurore beaureal #sunny weather #manon chamack #fanfic