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awkward-sultana · 2 years
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(Almost) Every Costume Per Episode + Princess Elizabeth Charlotte’s blue skirts and blue textured bodice with gold lace stomacher in 3x07,9,10
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“Tell me, please, who is this woman who has such a fierce nose?”
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The woman who has such a fierce nose and her son. It's a family heirloom.
I think I have found my favourite story from Liselotte von der Pfalz's letters so far:
Little Liselotte unwittingly insults Mary, the Princess Royal, makes a young William of Orange laugh and has her aunt and grandmother in stitches:
To Caroline, Princess of Wales
St Cloud 26 November 1720
Ma tante, our dear Electress [Sophie von Hannover], didn’t visit the Princess Royal [Mary Stuart], but the Queen of Bohemia [Elizabeth Stuart, Elisabeth Charlotte’s grandmother] did, and took me with her. Ma tante said to me, “Take care, Lisette, don’t get lost as you usually do, so that no one can find you, but stay close to the Queen and don’t keep her waiting for you.” I said, “Oh, ma tante, you’ll see, I’ll be so good.” I had often played with the son [William of Orange], whom I found with his mother, only I didn’t know it was his mother, so after I had gazed at her for a long time I looked round for someone to tell me who this woman was. There was no one except the Prince of Orange, so I went up to him and said, “Dites-moi, je vous prie, qui est cette femme qui a un si furieux nez?” [Tell me, please, who is this woman who has such a fierce nose?”] He laughed and replied, “C’est la Princesse Royale, ma mère.” [“It’s the Princess Royal, my mother.”] I was so shocked that I was struck dumb, and to comfort me Mlle Hyde [Anne Hyde, future wife of James, Duke of York/James II] took me and the Prince into the Princess’ bedchamber, where we played all sorts of games. I had asked to be called when the Queen was ready to leave; we were just rolling about on a Turkish carpet when the summons came. I jumped up and ran into the audience-chamber, but the Queen had already reached the anteroom. I quickly pulled the Princess Royal back by her skirt, and making her a pretty curtsey, walked in front of her, following the Queen to the carriage. Everyone laughed, I didn’t know why. When we arrived home the Queen went to ma tante, and sitting on her bed, laughing so that she almost choked, said, “Lisette a fait un beau voyage” [“Lisette had a nice trip”], and told her what I had done. Our dear Electress laughed even harder than the Queen, called me, and said, “Lisette, you have done well, you have revenged us on the proud princess.”
From: Maria Kroll [Ed.], Letters from Liselotte, New York, McCall 1971, pp. 229-230. Information in brackets added by me.
To date this charming anecdote, a few details from the lives of the protagonists are rather helpful in narrowing down the time frame: Liselotte was sent to live with her aunt, with whom she visited the Netherlands a few times, in 1659, and by late September 1660, William's mother Mary had gone on her fateful last journey to England. With Mary alive and in the Netherlands, and Liselotte in the custody of Sophie von Hannover, a time frame of about a year between 1659 and September 1660 emerges; born 18 months apart, William would have been either 8 or 9, and Liselotte 7 or 8 years old.
Liselotte, as this letter written 18 years after William's death indicates, would ever remember her former playfellow fondly, even when her French marriage meant that they found themselves on opposing sides politically. She thought he was a good king (even when her son was wounded fighting William), not handsome, but all the more intelligent, and repeatedly explained why his rumoured homosexuality, something she deeply detested in her husband, was, if not to be endorsed, at least acceptable in the case of the man she had been "rolling about on a Turkish carpet" with when they had been children in The Hague. Most tellingly, she once referred to him in a letter utilising the old saying that "alte Lieb nicht rost"-- or, in English, "old love never rusts."
One wonders if William, too, recalled this anecdote-- and what his mother Mary, Princess Royal and dowager Princess of Orange, thought of her straightforward young relation.
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Not exactly Stuart nose-less either: Elizabeth, Queen of Bohemia, Sophie von Hannover and Liselotte von der Pfalz.
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whetstonefires · 11 months
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You know what I realize that people underestimate with Pride & Prejudice is the strategic importance of Jane.
Because like, I recently saw Charlotte and Elizabeth contrasted as the former being pragmatic and the latter holding out for a love match, because she's younger and prettier and thinks she can afford it, and that is very much not what's happening.
The Charlotte take is correct, but the Elizabeth is all wrong. Lizzie doesn't insist on a love match. That's serendipitous and rather unexpected. She wants, exactly as Mr. Bennet says, someone she can respect. Contempt won't do. Mr. Bennet puts it in weirdly sexist terms like he's trying to avoid acknowledging what he did to himself by marrying a self-absorbed idiot, but it's still true. That's what Elizabeth is shooting for: a marriage that won't make her unhappy.
She's grown up watching how miserable her parents make one another; she's not willing to sign up for a lifetime of being bitter and lonely in her own home.
I think she is very aware, in refusing Mr. Collins, that it's reasonably unlikely that anyone she actually respects is going to want her, with her few accomplishments and her lack of property. That she is turning down security and the chance keep the house she grew up in, and all she gets in return may be spinsterhood.
But, crucially, she has absolute faith in Jane.
The bit about teaching Jane's daughters to embroider badly? That's a joke, but it's also a serious potential life plan. Jane is the best creature in the world, and a beauty; there's no chance at all she won't get married to someone worthwhile.
(Bingley mucks this up by breaking Jane's heart, but her prospects remain reasonable if their mother would lay off!)
And if Elizabeth can't replicate that feat, then there's also no doubt in her mind that Jane will let her live in her house as a dependent as long as she likes, and never let it be made shameful or awful to be that impoverished spinster aunt. It will be okay never to be married at all, because she has her sister, whom she trusts absolutely to succeed and to protect her.
And if something eventually happens to Jane's family and they can't keep her anymore, she can throw herself upon the mercy of the Gardeners, who have money and like her very much, and are likewise good people. She has a support network--not a perfect or impregnable one, but it exists. It gives her realistic options.
Spinsterhood was a very dangerous choice; there are reasons you would go to considerable lengths not to risk it.
But Elizabeth has Jane, and her pride, and an understanding of what marrying someone who will make you miserable costs.
That's part of the thesis of the book, I would say! Recurring Austen thought. How important it is not to marry someone who will make you, specifically, unhappy.
She would rather be a dependent of people she likes and trusts than of someone she doesn't, even if the latter is formally considered more secure; she would rather live in a happy, reasonable household as an extra than be the mistress of her own home, but that home is full of Mr. Collins and her mother.
This is a calculation she's making consciously! She's not counting on a better marriage coming along. She just feels the most likely bad outcome from refusing Mr. Collins is still much better than the certain outcome of accepting him. Which is being stuck with Mr. Collins forever.
Elizabeth is also being pragmatic. Austen also endorses her choice, for the person she is and the concerns she has. She's just picking different trade-offs than Charlotte.
Elizabeth's flaw is not in her own priorities; she doesn't make a reckless choice and get lucky. But in being unable to accept that Charlotte's are different, and it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with Charlotte.
Because realistically, when your marriage is your whole family and career forever, and you only get to pick the ones that offer themselves to you, when you are legally bound to the status of dependent, you're always going to be making some trade-offs.
😂 Even the unrealistically ideal dream scenario of wealthy handsome clever ethical Mr. Darcy still asks you to undergo personal growth, accommodate someone else's communication style, and eat a little crow.
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psiirockin · 3 months
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Where are you on the spectrum. /J
Tiktok did NOT like this one LOL…
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chunkysoup22 · 6 months
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cassidy, lizzy, charlie
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lepitorus · 7 months
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i scream you scream
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spoiledmilks · 7 months
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Mr and mrs afton on a cute lil date <3
….while henry babysits
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ar1g · 2 months
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Pt 2, pt 3 incoming
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anghraine · 3 months
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It's 11 PM, but one of my favorite little Darcy/Elizabeth moments happens while she still hates him and thinks he's a depraved monster, and I find it really entertaining.
It's during the Kent section, when Darcy calls at the parsonage and finds Elizabeth alone. During a longer, awkward conversation in which they both deeply misunderstand each other, they have this tiny interchange:
[Darcy:] “This seems a very comfortable house. Lady Catherine, I believe, did a great deal to it when Mr Collins first came to Hunsford.” “I believe she did—and I am sure she could not have bestowed her kindness on a more grateful object.” “Mr Collins appears very fortunate in his choice of a wife.” “Yes, indeed; his friends may well rejoice in his having met with one of the very few sensible women who would have accepted him, or have made him happy if they had. My friend has an excellent understanding—though I am not certain that I consider her marrying Mr Collins as the wisest thing she ever did."
So: they are in Mr Collins's house. Darcy tries to re-start the conversation with a polite nothing about the house. Elizabeth agrees about Lady Catherine's micro-managing, but can't resist the chance to make a sly jab at Mr Collins (who is not present) to Darcy (a genuine villain, as far as she believes).
Darcy's reply looks a bit like an attempt to redirect the conversation into safer waters (they can agree that Charlotte is cool!). But although his remark is only somewhat related to what Elizabeth said, I think it's a natural follow-up in his mind because he is also insulting Mr Collins, if more subtly.
He could have praised Mr Collins's judgment in choosing Charlotte or just said something nice about Charlotte; he doesn't. Instead, he suggests that Mr Collins's choice of Charlotte was a matter of good fortune—or chance, as Charlotte herself would say!—on Collins's part. Darcy and Elizabeth both know Collins is a fool and that his choice of a woman like Charlotte says nothing about his judgment, only about his good fortune. (Elizabeth has even better reason than Darcy to know how much Collins ending up with Charlotte was lucky for him, but Darcy can see it anyway.)
Darcy's phrasing gives him some plausible deniability, but I think he's generally quite careful with his wording and the implicit insult to Mr Collins is not accidental.
Elizabeth, I think, takes this exactly as intended. She's not at all confused about where this tangent came from or offended by it or anything. She readily seizes on the new line of conversation as encouragement to keep insulting Mr Collins and his appeal to women with functioning brainpower.
Elizabeth is pretty scrupulously polite in general, so I kind of love that she just starts venting about her absolute contempt for Mr Collins and the Collins/Charlotte marriage to Darcy in the middle of a tense and weird conversation in Mr Collins's house. And I love that Darcy, who is otherwise more or less dog-paddling his way through this conversation, is like "yeah, your friend seems really cool, that dumbass is lucky he accidentally chose someone with a brain."
Elizabeth: "Right? And, let me add-"
(Is it a bit of an asshole move on both their parts in the context of that scene? Yeah, I think a little. I also love it! Please trash-talk obnoxious hosts in their own parlours for the rest of your lives.)
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awkward-sultana · 2 years
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(Almost) Every Costume Per Episode + Princess Elizabeth Charlotte’s teal velvet bodice with gold print and gold skirts in 3x01,5,6,8,10
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A Day in the Life of... A Young 17th Century Prince, Through His Own Eyes
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William of Orange, the future William III of England as a child, pre-1661 by Cornelis Janssens van Ceulen, National Portrait Gallery London, via Wikimedia Commons.
I've stumbled across a very interesting old article in Dutch which quotes from a handwritten document by William of Orange from a time long before he became King of England:
Mémoire et quoy je pourray à employer les heures du jour.
Le jour de Dimanche est destiné par le service de Dieu après que les deux presches seront achevé le reste du jour je poura employer celon le temps à joué ou faire des visites ou promenades.
Lundi. Ce lever à 6 heures jusqu'es à 7 prie Dieu et sa bible, depuis 7 jusques à 8 au fortifications, puis une demieure pour desjeuner apres 2 pour les estudes puis tour des armes et danscher jusques à leure du diné. Deux heures l'aprediné pour les estudes et le reste jusques au souper pour autre exercisse ou schoses ou promenade.
Les autres jours Conforme au lundi ormi le mardi, jeudi et sammedi qu' aulieude tirer des armes et dancer j'iray au conseil.
Lesapres souper je peus aller chezlarayne les quatres autres demeurer aupres de Mama oujouer avec masseur ou au billiard dans ma schambre.
Translation: Memorandum and what I could [do] to make use of the hours of the day.
The day of Sunday is destined for the service of God and after the two sermons have concluded I can use according to the weather to play or make visits or take walks.
Monday. Rise at 6 o’clock and until 7 pray to God and his Bible, from 7 to 8 to the fortifications, then a half-hour for breakfasting, afterwards two [hours] for [my] studies, then being trained at arms and dancing [lessons] until dinnertime. Two hours in the afternoon for studies and the rest until supper for other exercises or stuff or promenading.
The other days conform to Monday, except that on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday instead of shooting and dancing, I go to the council.
After supper I can go to the queen [Elizabeth Stuart, Queen of Bohemia, his great-aunt], the four others [i.e. Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday] I stay with Mama or play with my sister or at billiard in my bedroom.
The publication does not give a date (if the original, which apparently was held in an archive in Dessau, Germany pre-WWII and since seems to have been lost is/was dated at all), but the mention of "Mama", Mary Henrietta Stuart, also known by her English title of Princess Royal who died in 1660, indicates that William was not yet 10 years old when he wrote this little essay on his day-to-day-life.
While the perspective of a young prince can hardly give us any information on the experiences of (Dutch) children at that point in time in general, it is fascinating to catch a glimpse of one so young, and so aware of his unique position.
His French contains some adventurous orthography indicating that the young prince wrote as the words sounded to his ear, leading to him frequently stringing several words together as one or adding letter combinations (e.g. the "sch" in "danscher" [danser] or "schambre" [chambre]) that hint at a distinctly Dutch accent in his pronunciation. Some of these features (particularly the "sch") can still be found in documents written in his hand later in life.
His vague mention of sometimes just doing "stuff" in the afternoon reflect the young age of the writer; in a day so closely supervised and planned out, little room was alotted to playtime for the future head of state.
Most poignantly however is the at the first glance unassuming mention of "masseure" [ma sœur, my sister], whose identity in the absence of any biological siblings (his father died a week before he was born) can only be guessed at but bespeaks the relative social isolation William grew up in, as he clearly wished not only for a playfellow of a like age, but someone to connect to, and share his experiences.
The most likely candidate is the young Elisabeth Charlotte von der Pfalz, known as Liselotte or Lisette to her family, who, together with her aunt Sophie von Hannover visited her grandmother, the ex-Queen of Bohemia, in The Hague and was one of the few friends William made (was allowed to make) during his childhood. Even when marriage politics of later years separated them forever, letters reveal that they kept a fond memory of their childhood days together even as adults.
In any case, this litte essay, a staple of primary school exercises until this very day, provides an intriguing glimpse in the life of a child who lived 350 years ago, and throws a more humanising light on a king often characterised merely by his adult exploits.
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melanodis · 3 months
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pizzaplex au deep lore
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batkingsalem · 6 months
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tell me everything that happened |
tell me everything you saw |
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pillowspace · 3 months
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Not too sure if you take requests but..
Would you(if you could)maybe draw Charlie and Elizabeth hanging out..?Like,drawing or maybe having a tea party like what Charlie mentioned in the conversation sun and Charlie had..?
Obviously you don’t have to at all!Just a small tiny request!No pressure!
Ps:I absolutely adore your art!Keep up the great work!
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That drawing of Sun and Charlie was actually referencing a text post I had made about Charlie and Elizabeth playing "British People," so
Bonus:
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pewrri · 10 months
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HELLO TUMBLR
dumps my silly fnaf design and RUNS!! (doesn't go online for another 1 year /j)
silly edit; these designs are going to be used for me and my friends fnaf comic :)!
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