#Circe talks

[lorianbladeoflothric]

Modern au shadow of the erdtree is just Miquella the unemployed getting so stressed out by family drama he runs away and stays with the brother that has gone no-contact with everyone else

#he has a shitty lil apartment on the bad side of town. they’ll never look for Miq’s mansion-living ass there #circe talks

[squiddley-feeterson]

Au where Sol’s memories are perfectly clear. Like maybe this is either post the transcending time ending or they died in the wormhole or maybe their augment is just photographic memory and it affects this. How it happens doesn’t matter, just that their memories don’t have that dreamlike “wet paint” quality they mention in-game. And since Sol knows their past lives have never been able to see this clearly, they realize this is their chance to finally save everyone like Ancient Sol is always saying.

On the Stratos they’re a fairly normal child (though the other kids think there’s something slightly off about them) but as they get closer to the wormhole they start gaining their memories back. Though it’s only after waking up on Vertumna that they remember everything. And though they try every possible thing to prevent disaster and prove that they could at least see it coming, only the kids believe them. And honestly it’s really only Dys at first.

The others need some convincing, but as Sol gains the trust of more and more of their friends, the adults become more convinced that they’re sick and, as they get older and more insistent, more rebellious, more in tune with the planet itself, that they might be a danger to the other kids. Especially once the Helios land and Lum learns about their burgeoning “cult”.

So yeah is this anything? I just like the idea of a Sol with basically all of the knowledge of the player and, yknow, someone who’s been in a time loop so long that they’re starting to get really desperate

#the fic would be in every pov but theirs for the most part #bc I think Sol’s pov would be less interesting. there’s no mystery it’s just sol spinning plates and guiltily manipulating their friends #circe talks #i was a teenage exocolonist

[macabre-mangled]

Joe please Ik I’m like 11 or 12 years younger but like just one chance please

#circe talks #joseph quinn #joe quinn

[hermione9891]

Sapevo di non avere alcun diritto di rivendicarlo. Ma in un’esistenza solitaria, sono rari i momenti in cui un’altra anima si fonde con la tua, così come le stelle sfiorano la terra una volta l’anno. Una tale costellazione era stato lui per me.

-Circe

#Circe #life is a book #frasi #libri #frasi libri #frase #romanzo #hermione9891 #frasi dai libri #circe goddess #madeline miller #book quotes #the illiad #circe talks #amore

[hyprfxtdbstrd]

I'm seeing everyone pointing out the possible issues with Epic the Musical's deviation from the original story of Circe and Odysseus, and as someone who's studied Ancient Greece/ancient Greek myths a bit, I wanted to say some stuff about it. This will be a bit of a long one, so apologies for my rambling!

Note that I'm not trying to shit on SA survivor's perspectives and (completely valid) arguments. I'm just trying to offer some context surrounding the original myth and how it fits (or rather, doesn't fit) with a modern audience. If I'm wrong with any of this, feel free to call me out! Criticize the shit out of me! I like learning about Greek culture and myths and would 100% love to hear other perspectives on this.

So, a few points about Ancient Greek myths to kind of explain the context around Circe and Odysseus:

Greek myths generally did not have good views/depictions of women. Women were almost always depicted as conniving, selfish, sexually insatiable creatures. To largely summarize the process within actual Greek society, women had three/four stages in their life: child, dangerous/wild virgin (after first menstruation), married woman (whose wildness was tamed by her husband), and then a "real" woman (a mother). There are a few deviations from the "evil" trope, the most prominent of which being Penelope herself—she's basically the ideal Greek wife, staying loyal to her husband for 20 years and all that.

Adultery only applied to women. Husbands cheating on their wives wasn't merely tolerated, but expected. Marital sex wasn't seen as enjoyable, rather something that had to be done for the sake of reproduction and continuing the bloodline/securing inheritance. Men cheated on their wives with various kinds of prostitutes, concubines, mistresses, etc, but sleeping with unmarried women (that weren't specifically prostitutes) or married women was looked down upon. Women didn't have this same standard. They could only sleep with their husbands, hell, their husbands were pretty much the only men they could even interact with (excluding family, obviously).

The original myth has Hermes very plainly lay out how Odysseus' confrontation with Circe will go: Odysseus will eat the moly, draw his sword at her, she'll proposition him, and Hermes directly tells Odysseus to accept. Basically a "sleep with her if you want your men to live" situation. (See this post for more specifics on this).

So, let's apply this to Epic: The Musical. Here's some reasons I think may explain the Circe myth being changed:

The Greek "women being evil" stereotype is... problematic. While I 100% understand that it's important to acknowledge male victims of SA, I don't think the original myth was focusing on Odysseus being a victim—I saw it more of an emphasis on Circe being a sexually selfish woman, as all Greek women were believed to be. Changing Circe to be less conniving and evil deviates from the concerning Greek stereotype.

The SA in the myth is not actually very clearly SA. Yes, with a modern perspective, it absolutely is sexual coercion, but for Greeks, not so much. It made sense to them that sex could be transactional. It's already been established that Epic, while still generally accurate to the original myth, does change things relating to morality/themes in order to better align with modern Western ideas (i.e. OG Odysseus not being as remorseful and merciful, as that was expected of a Greek hero, but Epic Odysseus having more empathy because that's more modernly heroic). If something from the original myth doesn't translate well into modern culture, then it's understandable to want to change or omit it.

In the case that the original Circe myth wasn't SA (I'm not saying one is more right than the other, I'm just covering all the bases), then it wouldn't even constitute as cheating. Like I described earlier, it was perfectly acceptable and expected for men to sleep with women that weren't their wives. Plus, being a goddess, she's already kinda exempt from being blamed if Odysseus slept with her—only women are ever really blamed for sleeping with (or being SAed by) gods, and even then, their husbands sometimes don't even give a shit. But modernly, we would not see it that way. To us, it's not societally acceptable for a married man to sleep with another woman (without his wife's consent, at least). While Ancient Greeks viewed Odysseus as a good (or at least okay) husband, a modern audience wouldn't. Making Odysseus loyal to Penelope and not sleeping with other women (assuming this wasn't SA, but again that's one interpretation) makes him the good, loyal, empathic, modernly heroic man that Epic is clearly aiming for. Repeating my last point: If something from the original myth doesn't translate well into modern culture, then it's understandable to want to change or omit it.

Applying modern perspectives on Ancient Greek society and mythology isn't worth it. Like, we all joke about Ancient Greece being super gay, but they didn't actually like gay men. Homosexuality was literally only acceptable when it was between a young man and a prepubescent boy (it was called pederasty if you want to know more) or between women (they only considered penetrative sex to be 'real' sex so they didn't really care what women did with other women). Y'know the Hades and Persephone story? Like, the original one with the kidnapping? Yeah, that was normal. The myth of Demeter and Persephone is tragic, yes, but it was so normal that wedding ceremonies often included references/recreations of it! Girls got married off ASAP after their first menstruation to men of at least 30 years old. We don't tolerate that shit today (for the most part, at least)! But it was normal in Ancient Greece. Applying modern rules and standards to ancient culture just does not work.

Anyways, I'll shut up now! I'm gonna go keep listening to The Circe Saga lmao

EDIT: there is good criticism in the reblogs of this post that adds more perspective and corrects some of my generalizations/insights!!

#can you tell im a history major #seriously tho im not trying to shit on the opinions of SA survivors talking about this #the greeks were just kinda fucked up #greek mythology #epic the musical #odysseus #the odyssey #circe #circe saga #the circe saga #hermes #epic the circe saga #ancient greece #history

[gigizetz]

Little comic based on a dialogue from the book Circe

#I love how when people talk about their favorite quotes from this book it's always the most deep ones #and mine is just this #circe #circe goddess #hermes #hermes god #circe book #madeline miller #greek mythology #digital art #doodle #epic: the musical #epic the musical

[unsightlythinker]

“Okay. Fine. Yes. But REGARDLESS-“

Haha Odysseus, never change.

#epic the musical #jorge rivera herrans #the circe saga #circe saga #greek mythology #the odyssey #odyssey #odysseus #circe #CIRCE! WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT CIRCE #Hermes gave it to you didn’he? #I’ve got people to protect #friends I can’t neglect #✨✨✨

[anniflamma]

Finally, I have started the clean-up process! I'm almost done with all of Circe's solo shots. I'm saving the part where she is stroking the sword for later use......

#I am still talking about a regular sword #tw slight nudity #epic the musical #epic the circe saga #circe #animatic work in progress

[dootznbootz]

"But in TSOA, they do this-"

"But in Circe, they do that-"

#emphasis on “empty” #I'm so mean. I'm so sorry but I saw this and HAD to #read the actual “coconut” and get background info on shit before you talk. You can enjoy these as long as you know it's not the real #thing!!! #anti circe #anti tsoa #anti madeline miller #tagamemnon #leave Odysseus. Helen. Thetis. Agamemnon. Hermes. and Helios ALONE!!! #Mad rambles #shot by odysseus

[circumference-pie]

#circ talks

[himboblackdragon]

Okay I did it

Inspiration here

#cang lan jue #love between fairy and devil #lbfad #dongfang qingcang #xiao lanhua #lbfad shitpost #I did this in gimp because I don't have photoshop on this computer T_T #circ talks #circ gifs

[lorianbladeoflothric]

I should maybe write smth about how I think St. trina works before the dlc comes out, just in case she's in it, but for now, here's my theory presented as inelegantly as possible

Miquella 🤝 Marika 🤝 trying to cure your curse by making up a guy to hand it off to

#circe talks #it didn't work for him as well as it did for her. obviously

[squiddley-feeterson]

I’m gonna write something with this eventually but for now I’ve just gotta get this out there bc I’m surprised I haven’t seen it yet.

Transmasc Anemone.

She doesn’t like the nickname “Annie”

She doesn’t want to stop looking like her brothers

Until she joins the army I’m pretty sure all of her clothes are just hand me downs from her brothers anyway

Idk I just thought that she would eventually transition and I was surprised that she stayed a girl the whole game.

#iwatex #anemone #circe talks

[macabre-mangled]

This song gives off Eddie energy like the lyrics???

“you'll say

Don't you worry your pretty, little mind

People throw rocks at things that shine”

And also this one

“And any snide remarks from my father

About your tattoos will be ignored

'Cause my heart is yours”

#writers on tumblr #writing #fanfic #fanfiction #writeblr #writerscommunity #x reader #writerslife #circe talks #stranger things 4 #eddie munson #eddie munson x reader #stranger things #Spotify

[wolfythewitch]

Do you think that Odysseus is a victim of SA?

I personally do, especially at the hands of Calypso.

Poor guy. Just wants to see his wife and son. He's a lil bitch but I love him

Yeah I think he's a victim of rape. Kept unwillingly on Calypso's island and forced to sleep with her? Dude is by no means a perfect guy but the morality of a character doesn't erase the trauma they experience

#wolfy tedtalks #anon #this can go for a number of people tbh #rape tw #for Circe its a bit more dubious #i saw a post once talking about it being more transactional #that was an interesting read

[arataka-reigen]

Isnt it beautiful that being such a wife guy was what saved Odysseus from Circe

#epic the musical #odysseus #circe #the odyssey #gi talks