#And there never was an apple in Adam's opinion that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it.

[brokewokebespoke]

So what food do they have in Heaven? Manna?

Funny how one of Crowley’s complaints that led him to fall saunter vaguely downwards was about food…

The same Crowley, who tempted Eve with food…

The same Crowley who tempted Aziraphale with food…

The same Crowley that rarely eats…

The same Heaven that eschews food as gross matter…

Very interessssssssting.

#good omens #good omens season two #crowley #good ineffable omens #aziraphale #ineffable husbands #Crowley and food #ox ribs #dining at the ritz #And there never was an apple in Adam's opinion that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it. #archangel fucking gabriel #adam and eve #snake Crowley #unhinging my jaw or maybe I’m just unhinged

[everysongineverykey]

so-called doomerists when "If you want to imagine the future, imagine a boy and his dog and his friends. And a summer that never ends. And if you want to imagine the future, imagine a boot... no, imagine a sneaker, laces trailing, kicking a pebble; imagine a stick, to poke at interesting things, and throw for a dog that may or may not decide to retrieve it; imagine a tuneless whistle, pounding some luckless popular song into insensibility; imagine a figure, half angel, half devil, all human... Slouching hopefully towards Tadfield. ...for ever."

#good omens #CRYING!!!! finished my second reread since s1 came out #this book genuinely never gets old huh. i can read it over and over. can't say that about many books. #i did love the ending shots of s1 BUT i will never forgive them for not putting this narration in. #the way the last line references 'what rough beast its hour come round at last slouches toward bethlehem to be born' #the last line from the poem the second coming #talking about the antichrist there too! #but this antichrist is just a boy. just a boy. half angel. half devil. all. human. #the last scene of the book where he eats an apple and gets in trouble for it #but 'there never was an apple- in adam's opinion- that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it.' #it was all worth it!! crowley tempting eve and teaching humans that they could be evil was worth it!!! #god. this book looks at a fucked up world with so so many problems #and encourages you to focus on the good in it when all hope seems lost. #and if you want to imagine the future? imagine a happy one #and make it happen. what else can you do...?

[xserpx]

He couldn't see why people made such a fuss about people eating their silly old fruit anyway, but life would be a lot less fun if they didn't. And there never was an apple, in Adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it.

Good Omens by Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman

#good omens #GNU Terry Pratchett #neil gaiman #this is my favourite line in the entire book tbh

[catmi1606]

"and there never was an apple, in adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it."

originally drawn may 2022

#good omens #good omens fanart #good omens adam #good omens adam young #adam young #good omens dog #catmi art #i love adam a lot btw #he is probably my favorite character #besides the ineffables #so prepare to see a lot of him from me

[stupidphototricks]

Just reread the Good Omens book for the first time in ~10 years, and I wanted to take a moment to appreciate this little bit of Pratchett/Gaiman full-circle perfection:

“And there never was an apple, in Adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it.”

It's in the show's narration as well, but stands out more in the book. Adam the ex-Antichrist is anticipating some minor punishment (in the far future, like this evening) for sneaking out from being grounded and stealing apples from R. P. Tyler's tree. But it's also a callback to 6000 years and a few hundred pages ago, when a different apple kicked off some more serious trouble for a different Adam, trouble which eventually led to all of the events of the book.

Would end-of-the book Adam figure that the beginning-of-the-book apple had been worth it? I think that's what the quote is saying, that he absolutely would. That everybody should.

#good omens #good omens book #neil gaiman #terry pratchett #terry pratchett gnu #i just like this

[cascodedtech]

I feel like we don't talk about how beautiful the symmetry of the Garden of Eden opening in GO 1x1 and "there was never an apple, in Adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it" in 1x6 is.

#good omens #neil gaiman

[im-the-j-in-anthony-j-crowley]

Well, I'm going to do some analysis on gardens and apples.

The story begins in the garden of Eden, and the expulsion from that garden follows the eating of an apple, an apple that allows us to know the difference between good and evil.

We need to keep in mind for what I want to explain right now. Basically what I'm trying to do here is to answer the question: What happened at the end of the first season when Adam changed reality?

For this I'm going to destroy a bit the order in which the dialogues and scenes happen in the last 15 minutes of the last chapter of the first season in order to explain this in a way that I think, is a little bit better

The first thing that I think is important is God saying that something came to an end:

Something told him that something was coming to an end. Not the world exactly, just the summer. There would be other summers, but there would never be one like this. Not ever again

I think that dialogue tells us exactly what happened. And that is: From that moment on, a new stage began

The first stage began with Adam and Eve leaving the garden of Eden after eating an apple. That was a nice morning, like all the previous ones. But once they left the garden: the first storm.

Now they are telling us that summer is over, that there will be more summers, but none like that one.

Just as there are sunny days, but none like those in the garden of Eden.

After an ending it is appropriate that there should be a beginning, and we have one, much like the previous one. Adam trapped in a garden:

And after that dialogue we see him escape through a hedge from which the leaves fall off, which I think is a very clear parallel to the hole in the wall through which Adam and Eve leave the Garden of Eden

Something ended up here, and I actually looked up this analysis and it's been done by several people, so I'd say it's pretty much accepted so far. Here we finish learning to differentiate between good and evil.

And there is one detail that I think is excellent to mention: Aziraphale and Crowley have the same path as the rest of humanity. They learn the same, and they also leave the garden:

Now, let's go back a bit so that we can concentrate fully on this dialogue:

And there never was an apple, in Adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it

While that dialogue is going on, we see Adam stealing an apple. And this is precisely why I'm going to say that what's happening now is a "second stage of learning."

A new apple of knowledge was eaten, again the garden was abandoned. Now comes the question: What is this new apple?

He couldn't see why people made such a fuss about people eating their apples

So... that's it guys, in season 3 we're going to learn why people make such a fuss about eating their apples

And remember

Life would be a lot less fun if they didn't

#What does this mean? We'll come back when Jay thinks of something again #good omens #good omens analysis #good omens meta #good omens season 3 speculation #adam young #Jay and the really long posts

[tabi-wa-michizure]

I’m enjoying all the meta (and basically using tumblr as therapy in the wake of ep6, tbh), but I have to say…although I understand it, I still felt somewhat betrayed by those final 15 minutes. I was thinking about the book and the show, trying to put the end into context.

In the book, there is no body swap, no bus ride holding hands, no being cast out by their respective sides. In that context, it makes perfect sense for the unwritten second book/season 3 to open with Aziraphale’s promotion, and the shadow of the Second Coming. Aziraphale and Crowley still haven’t worked through much, but they are slightly more on the same page.

In the show, there has been a lot more interpersonal (inter-ethereal and occult being?) drama, and more misunderstandings. Crowley thought he’d been making himself and his feelings clear to Aziraphale without needing to say much aloud, and was horrified when he realized the full extent of the gap between them, how far apart they still are. I respect that, in the show, this is still where they are, but I can’t help but feel that leaving us there, with a minimum 3 year wait for season 3/continuation in another medium, runs contrary to the spirit of the book.

Good Omens the book has been in my life for 20 years, and became a part of me as soon as I read it. Even from elementary school, I had anxiety (undiagnosed at that point), and was on my way to becoming an atheist despite being raised Christian. My parents weren’t extremist or even religiously conservative, and yet still somehow religion plus my own propensity towards anxiety left me lying awake into the night, so many nights, wondering if I would go to hell, if I was just somehow an intrinsically compromised as a human being, and wondering what exactly what goodness means in the context of our humanity.

And then in high school, I found this book by two authors I loved, and it was a clever, hilarious comedy, but behind that, it was sharp and incisive about what it meant to be human.

“I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then gettin' upset 'cos they act like people,” said Adam severely. ‘Anyway, if you stopped tellin’ people it’s all sorted out after they’re dead, they might try sorting it all out while they’re alive. “

“There was never an apple, in Adam’s opinion, that wasn’t worth the trouble you got into for eating it.”

“Hell wasn't a major reservoir of evil, any more than Heaven, in Crowley's opinion, was a fountain of goodness; they were just sides in the great cosmic chess game. Where you found the real McCoy, the real grace and the real heart-stopping evil, was right inside the human mind.”

“And just when you'd think they were more malignant than ever Hell could be, they could occasionally show more grace than Heaven ever dreamed of. Often the same individual was involved. It was this free-will thing, of course. It was a bugger.”

“Everyone found their eyes turning toward Adam. He seemed to be thinking very carefully. Then he said: “I don’t see why it matters what is written. Not when it’s about people. It can always be crossed out.”

It was so fond, and so uplifting in a very particular way. Not that bad things didn’t happen in the GO universe; obviously, they did. But the overarching feeling is one of fondness and love for humanity, and the angel and demon who stood by and among humanity, taking it in, and letting it change them.

The book ended in a place of hope, while the end of season 2 left us in a very dark place. Perhaps in the future, paired with season 3, the ending will feel right as we watch the whole story unfold. And yet…right now, the end of Good Omens as we know it so far left me feeling utterly gutted, and it’s hard to move past.

As I watch Crowley watch Aziraphale leave, I can’t help but think of this line: “Underneath it all, Crowley was an optimist. If there was one rock-hard certainty that had sustained him through the bad times—he thought briefly of the fourteenth century—then it was utter surety that he would come out on top; that the universe would look after him.” TV Crowley doesn’t show that core optimism as much, but I wish we could have seen it at the end.

#good omens #good omens season 2 #good omens season 2 spoilers #go2 spoilers #good omens meta #this is a comfort book #and a comfort ship #and 3 years is a long time to wait when things leave off like that

[bluebangsthepirate]

Good Omens Quotes ...for the first time ever, a nightingale sang in Berkeley Square. No one heard it over the noise of traffic, but it was there, right enough.

He couldn't see why people made such a fuss about people eating their silly old fruit anyway, but life would be a lot less fun if they didn't. And there never was an apple, in Adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it.

#good omens #neil gaiman #terry pratchett #david tennant #michael sheen

[ballumville]

'And there never was an apple, in Adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it.' 🍎- Neil Gaiman

#ballum #ben mitchell #callum highway #quotes #neil gaiman

[a-moth-to-the-light]

My Delightful Little Agnostic Life: Good Omens on Christianity and Life's Meaning and Stuff

I finished Good Omens (the show!) yesterday, and here's a little bit from my journal entry on it that I thought would be fun to post because I like how it turned out! Spoilers for the whole thing. I need to get my hands on the book as soon as possible because I fell in love with the show right from the opening monologue, and I can only imagine that the book's narration includes even more tongue-in-cheek humor from God! I'm really excited :)

"[Adam] couldn't see why people made such a fuss about people eating their apples. But life would be a lot less fun if they didn't. And there never was an apple, in Adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it" (episode six). The ideas in this quote, strewn throughout all six episodes, are what I love most about Good Omens. It looks Christianity in the eye, creates a world where traditionalist Christianity is right about all* the things the religious and secular sectors have been fighting over for years (is God real? was the Earth created by the divine? do demons actually exist?), but then it just looks at all of it and says, "Meh". Like yeah, in Good Omens God has rules and there's hell and all that, but life isn't so bad, even if you just do whatever you want--the comparison between sin in general and Adam stealing apples from his neighbor's garden sets a lighthearted, sunlit tone to what Christianity considers wrongdoing, a far cry from "for the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23. Hell, I'm glad to know the verses church burned into my mind have some use!). One of our protagonists, Aziraphale, decides he likes sushi more than heaven, and our last sight of him is talking animatedly with Crowley while eating at the Ritz--he snubs God and still finds happiness, maybe not divine but certainly worthwhile (food is good! I would have chosen it, too!).

In the same vein, it's established by Gabriel in episode 6 that "the entire reason for the creation of the Earth" was to stage an all-out war between heaven and hell. It drives me absolutely wild that, canonically, Adam says no to 6,000 years of divine planning and THE ENTIRE MEANING OF LIFE because he kinda wants to go home and play with his friends. I relate to that so much: as a lesbian who grew up Christian, I've heard all that stuff about how I'm going to "miss out on God's plan for me" by wanting to be with women, and those comments really did send me into spirals of confusion at first. But now, I feel a lot more like Adam and Aziraphale--God's plan doesn't sound that fun anyway, and I like what I have going on here already much better.

As you've probably guessed, I'm an ex-Christian, and Good Omens' "whatever" in the face of God is a statement of faith (well, the lack thereof, I suppose) that I couldn't agree with more. I left my faith not because I was convinced that God isn't real, but because I enjoy a godless life far more than I enjoyed my former life as a closeted, constantly conflicted lesbian in the church. Sure, maybe God is real and maybe she hates queer people like me, but I just kind of stopped caring about that kind of thing. Creator or no, I'm happy without her. I like sushi (especially California rolls!), and that fills me with joy and sense of personhood that divine ordinances never did. At the end of the season, Aziraphale and Crowley are just hoping they can keep their supernatural brethren away from them for a while, have a bit of peace before the next disaster. And that's how I feel. I doubt I can kill God, can decidedly prove to myself that there is no divine, but I don't really mind. I don't plan to waste time trying, that's for sure. If I can just contrive to keep God away for a while, to say "no" and put Christianity out of my mind, to find a pocket of peace and live my delightful little agnostic life, I think I'll be just fine.

*Well, almost all. I love love love the inclusion of queer and queer-coded divine characters in both heaven and hell, and I'm glad they left queerphobia out of this one! I think it's important to talk about the damage traditional Christian values do to queer people, especially to queer children, but it can be quite nice to get a break and just giggle with some fun queer characters for a bit! I feeI similarly about Adventures of God, a Webtoon I haven't caught up with in a while but that I absolutely adore :)

#welcome to cottagecore agnosticism? idk what else to call it so :) #comic sans #good omens spoilers #good omens tv #good omens

[pommedepersephone]

There never was an apple, in Adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got for eating it.

#good omens #inktober #dream #dreaming of gardens specifically one in South Downs #i hope they grow apples

[stuck-in-jelly]

Good Omens book lines that make me feel things

"The Ducks at St. James park are so use being fed bread by secret agents meeting clandestinely that they have developed their own Pavlovian reaction. Put a st. James Park duck in a laboratory cage and show it a picture of two men-one usually wearing a coat with a fur collar and the other something somber with a scarf-and it will look up expectly"

"It trotted down the slope to meet its destiny. Strange, though. It had always wanted to jump up at people but now it realized that against all expectations it wanted to wag its tail at the same time."

"Then with his leaky pen he wrote a brief note to Maud, his wife. It read simply, I love you. [......] The late delivery man was falling through a gray mist, and all he could see were two spots of blue, that might have been eyes and might have been distant stars"

"He ought to tell Crowley. No, he didn't. He wanted to tell Crowley. He ought to tell Heaven."

"She looks directly up at him now and says "That goes for yowe as welle yowe Daft old foole." Only she is going to die. She is going to burn to death. And, Shadwell realizes in his dream, it is a horrible way to die."

"And that is where it all fell apart. Because underneath it all, Crowley was an optimist. If there is a rock-hard certainty that had sustained him through the bad times-he thought briefly of the 14th century-than it was utter surety that he could ever come out on top; that the universe would look after him."

"Adam opened his mouth and screamed. It was a sound that a merely mortal throat should not have been able to utter; it wound out of the quarry, mingled with the storm, caused the clouds to curdle into new and unpleasant shapes. It went on and on. It resounded around the universe which was a good deal smaller than Physicians would believe. It rattled the celestial spheres. It spoke of loss and it did not stop for a very long time. And then it did."

"Anyway, if you stop tellin' people it's all sorted out after they're dead, they might try sorting it out while they're alive."

"It had been a long day. He was tired. Saving the world took it out of an 11 year old body"

"He smiled at Crowley "I'd just like to say he said if we don't get out of this, that.....I'll have known, deep down inside, there was a spark of goodness in you." "That's right," said Crowley bitterly. "Make my day. Aziraphale held out his hand. nice knowing you he said. Crowley took it. "Hears the next time" he said. "And... Aziraphale?" "Yes?" "Just remember I'll have known that, deep down inside, you were just enough of a bastard to be worth liking."

"Shadwell realize with dawning horror that he was comfortable. Horribly, terrifyingly comfortable. "Aye," he said warily. He had never been so comfortable."

"He couldn't see why people made such a fuss about people eating their silly old fruit anyway, but life would be a lot less fun if they didn't. And there was never an apple, in Adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it."

#jelly tarts #good omens

[uneditedbookreview]

"And there never was an apple, in Adam"s opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it."

#good omens #neil gaiman #terry pratchett #fantasy #satire #book blog #book quotes #book to screen

[jennyzloch]

In our place for the first day it’s not raining. So I give to my little friends a proper photo session. They are going to know our little country village really well))

“And there never was an apple, in Adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it.”

#good omens #crowley #aziraphale

[artemisiabarnes]

“And there never was an apple, in Adam's opinion, that wasn't worth the trouble you got into for eating it.”

#good omens