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#我讨厌他: I HATE HIM
rongzhi · 10 months
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that "thanks I hate it" post had me thinking about how basically every time you put "it" into Google translate it'll give you 它 but I was never taught to use that character. when would it be natural/appropriate to use 它?
它 is 'it', the pronoun for animals and inanimate objects (牠 more specifically refers to animals but it has been mostly replaced by 它). A lot of people also will just use 他 (or 她, if known specifically) for animals.
他 - tā - he/him/gender neutral/unknown
她 - tā - she/her
它 - tā - it (animal/object)
牠 - tā - it (animal)
However, Chinese is both subject- and object-optional in many cases so you will not find 它 written out for "it". That's why you can tell that a sentence has been google translated, because it will often create a very clunky translation that goes word for word (or close to it). Natural speakers can generally find a way around having to write out 它 for it.
In the thank you post, while 谢谢,我厌恶它!(Thank you, I loathe it) is not technically wrong, it is very clunky and is not funny the way that "Thanks, I hate it" is.
A more natural way to translate this sentence might be: 谢谢, 我好讨厌.
Edit: so to reiterate, the answer to your question is that it is appropriate to use 它 as a pronoun or if it is deemed necessary for clarification (but usually it is clear).
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deus-ex-mona · 2 years
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found this ✨absolutely terrible✨ aiyuu crack drabble in my drafts… only it’s completely in simplified chinese (with writing standards befitting of a 9 year old, no less). just what was past me thinking?
english tl included at the bottom bc even i’m befuddled by the strange happenings of this… thing
-og chinese version (read and weep)-
一个风和日丽的早晨,愛蔵开开心心地走向办公室。他的脸上带着一个蛮美的笑容。
“今天,我一定会跟勇次郎说我喜欢他!”他对自己说,点了点自己的头。
可是,他一走进办公室,就突然碰到一个人的背后。
“啊!对不起……诶?勇次郎?”
“……愛蔵。原来是你。” 勇次郎转了身。他的美丽的脸上带着一个很累的表情。”为什么我要在今天看到你的丑脸呢?”
“你说了些什么?!”愛蔵喷了气。他伸出双手,紧紧地握住了勇次郎的上衣。
“你干嘛呢?”勇次郎愁眉苦脸地看着他。“这是为什么我讨厌你。”
愛蔵的心痛了一点。“你讨厌我?!可是我喜欢你啊!”
“……什么?”勇次郎眨了他的眼。
“你必要开你的耳朵大大!”愛蔵生气的喊道。“勇次郎!我爱你!”
“……愛蔵。你发狂了吗?”勇次郎摇了头。“你好好去医院吧。你今天不要上班了。涼海会明白。”
“为什么你讲她的名字呢?”愛蔵慢慢地放开勇次郎的上衣。“你……是不是喜欢那个土豆女?!”
“……什么?”勇次郎叹了一口气。“你怎样来到那个结束呢?”
“因……因为……”愛蔵闷闷不乐地低着头。“因为你……上个拜五说你喜欢一个人……可是你刚才说你讨厌我……所以……只剩下了那个土豆女……”
“愛蔵。”
“……什么?”
“你是一个大笨蛋。”
“喂!”愛蔵抬起头。“你在说什么?!”
“愛蔵,”勇次郎又叹了一口气。“你忘记了,是吗?”
“我忘记了些什么?!”
“我们从上个月做男朋友了。”
“……真的啊?!”愛蔵展开他的眼。
“为什么我会说谎呢?”勇次郎的脸发红。“我……也喜欢你……可是一点点而已。”
“那……”愛蔵伸出他的俩手,把勇次郎抱抱了很紧。“那就好啊!勇次郎!我真的很爱你!”
“你有没有听我说?!我只喜欢你一点点!”
“那也是好!我可以会让你非常爱我!”
“我才不要!愛蔵!你真的是一个很大的大笨蛋!”
-english tl (lol)-
It was a bright and sunny morning. Aizo happily strolled towards the office, a radiant smile stretched across his lips.
“I’ll definitely tell Yujiro that I like him today!” he declared to himself with a nod of his head.
However, he found himself colliding into someone’s back the moment he set foot into the office.
“Ah! I’m sorry… Eh? Yujiro?”
“…Aizo. It’s you,” Yujiro turned around, an evidently exhausted expression plastered across his beautiful features. “Why do I have to see your hideous face today?”
“The hell did you just say?!” Aizo huffed, reaching his hands forward to grip Yujiro’s shirt tightly.
“The heck’s your problem?” Yujiro frowned. “This is why I hate you.”
Aizo’s heart ached a little. “You hate me?! But I like you!”
“…What?” Yujiro blinked.
“Listen up, okay?!” Aizo hollered angrily. “I love you, Yujiro!”
“…Have you gone mad, Aizo?” Yujiro shook his head. “You should go to the hospital. There’s no need for you to work today. Suzumi will understand.”
“Why did you mention her name?” Aizo slowly released Yujiro’s shirt. “Do you… like that potato girl or something?!”
“…What?” Yujiro sighed. “How did you end up at that conclusion?”
“Be… because…” Aizo lowered his head morosely. “You mentioned that… you liked someone last Friday… But you just said that you hate me… So… that just leaves the potato girl…”
“Aizo.”
“…What?”
“You’re a huge idiot.”
“Hey!” Aizo’s head snapped upwards. “What was that for?!”
“Aizo,” Yujiro heaved another sigh. “You’ve forgotten, haven’t you?”
“Just what did I forget?!”
“We’ve been boyfriends since last month.”
“…For real?!” Aizo’s eyes widened.
“Why would I lie about that?” Yujiro’s face reddened. “I… like you too… But only a little.”
“That’s…” Aizo extended his arms out to engulf Yujiro in a tight hug. “That’s fine with me! I really love you, Yujiro!”
“Didn’t you hear what I just said?! I only like you a little bit!”
“I’m fine with that too! I’ll definitely make you love me lots!”
“No way! Aizo! You really are a huge idiot!”
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ao3feed-stony · 1 year
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[中文翻译]You Deserve Love, And You'll Get It
by zhaoque_xiao
Summary: After the Civil War, Tony is trapped in his abusive relationship with Steve and is desperate to find escape. His team hates him, and is blind to Steve's abuse. So when he finds refuge in Gotham with an old friend, he learns that he is very much worth loving, and the Waynes will fight to prove it. 内战结束后,托尼被与史蒂夫间的虐待关系困住了,他绝望地想要逃离。他的团队讨厌他,还对史蒂夫的虐待行为视而不见;因此他到哥谭的一位老朋友那里寻求庇护。避难期间,他得知自己非常值得被爱,韦恩一家将努力证明这一点。
译者的话: Have requested authorization for translation in the comment section of the original text, but the original author has not replied to me. Loved it so much that I get started before reply. If there are any problems, please contact me to delete the article! 已在原文评论区请求授权翻译,但原作者还没有回复我。因为实在是太喜欢这一篇了,所以等不及就先开始了。 如果有任何问题,请及时联系我删文!
Words: 28582, Chapters: 6/9, Language: 中文-普通话 國語
Fandoms: Marvel, DCU, Marvel Cinematic Universe, The Avengers (Marvel) - All Media Types, Justice League - All Media Types, Batman - All Media Types, Wonder Woman (Movies - Jenkins)
Rating: Explicit
Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Rape/Non-Con
Categories: M/M
Characters: Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, Steve Rogers, T'Challa (Marvel), James "Bucky" Barnes, James "Rhodey" Rhodes, Vision (Marvel), Wanda Maximoff, Sam Wilson (Marvel), Clint Barton, Pepper Potts, Natasha Romanov (Marvel), Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, Barbara Gordon, Alfred Pennyworth, Minor Characters, Diana (Wonder Woman)
Relationships: Steve Rogers/Tony Stark, Tony Stark/Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark & T'Challa, Minor or Background Relationship(s)
Additional Tags: Angst, Crossover, DC and Marvel, Angst and Hurt/Comfort, Post-Captain America: Civil War (Movie), not team Cap friendly, Not Steve Rogers Friendly, Not Stony Friendly, Implied/Referenced Rape/Non-con, BAMF Bruce, Batfamily (DCU), batfamily adopts Tony, IronBat - Freeform, Tony-centric, Tony Stark Still Has Arc Reactor, Hurt Tony Stark, T'Challa (Marvel) Is a Good Bro, Angst with a Happy Ending, I'm Bad At Tagging, What Was I Thinking?, What Have I Done, I'm Sorry
source https://archiveofourown.org/works/44528281
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ao3feed-brucewayne · 1 year
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[中文翻译]You Deserve Love, And You'll Get It
read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/NSKwHnA
by zhaoque_xiao
Summary: After the Civil War, Tony is trapped in his abusive relationship with Steve and is desperate to find escape. His team hates him, and is blind to Steve's abuse. So when he finds refuge in Gotham with an old friend, he learns that he is very much worth loving, and the Waynes will fight to prove it. 内战结束后,托尼被与史蒂夫间的虐待关系困住了,他绝望地想要逃离。他的团队讨厌他,还对史蒂夫的虐待行为视而不见;因此他到哥谭的一位老朋友那里寻求庇护。避难期间,他得知自己非常值得被爱,韦恩一家将努力证明这一点。
译者的话: Have requested authorization for translation in the comment section of the original text, but the original author has not replied to me. Loved it so much that I get started before reply. If there are any problems, please contact me to delete the article! 已在原文评论区请求授权翻译,但原作者还没有回复我。因为实在是太喜欢这一篇了,所以等不及就先开始了。 如果有任何问题,请及时联系我删文!
Words: 28582, Chapters: 6/9, Language: 中文-普通话 國語
Fandoms: Marvel, DCU, Marvel Cinematic Universe, The Avengers (Marvel) - All Media Types, Justice League - All Media Types, Batman - All Media Types, Wonder Woman (Movies - Jenkins)
Rating: Explicit
Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Rape/Non-Con
Categories: M/M
Characters: Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, Steve Rogers, T'Challa (Marvel), James "Bucky" Barnes, James "Rhodey" Rhodes, Vision (Marvel), Wanda Maximoff, Sam Wilson (Marvel), Clint Barton, Pepper Potts, Natasha Romanov (Marvel), Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, Barbara Gordon, Alfred Pennyworth, Minor Characters, Diana (Wonder Woman)
Relationships: Steve Rogers/Tony Stark, Tony Stark/Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark & T'Challa, Minor or Background Relationship(s)
Additional Tags: Angst, Crossover, DC and Marvel, Angst and Hurt/Comfort, Post-Captain America: Civil War (Movie), not team Cap friendly, Not Steve Rogers Friendly, Not Stony Friendly, Implied/Referenced Rape/Non-con, BAMF Bruce, Batfamily (DCU), batfamily adopts Tony, IronBat - Freeform, Tony-centric, Tony Stark Still Has Arc Reactor, Hurt Tony Stark, T'Challa (Marvel) Is a Good Bro, Angst with a Happy Ending, I'm Bad At Tagging, What Was I Thinking?, What Have I Done, I'm Sorry
read it on the AO3 at https://ift.tt/NSKwHnA
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stony-ao3-feed · 1 year
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[中文翻译]You Deserve Love, And You'll Get It
Read it on AO3
by zhaoque_xiao
Summary: After the Civil War, Tony is trapped in his abusive relationship with Steve and is desperate to find escape. His team hates him, and is blind to Steve's abuse. So when he finds refuge in Gotham with an old friend, he learns that he is very much worth loving, and the Waynes will fight to prove it. 内战结束后,托尼被与史蒂夫间的虐待关系困住了,他绝望地想要逃离。他的团队讨厌他,还对史蒂夫的虐待行为视而不见;因此他到哥谭的一位老朋友那里寻求庇护。避难期间,他得知自己非常值得被爱,韦恩一家将努力证明这一点。
译者的话: Have requested authorization for translation in the comment section of the original text, but the original author has not replied to me. Loved it so much that I get started before reply. If there are any problems, please contact me to delete the article! 已在原文评论区请求授权翻译,但原作者还没有回复我。因为实在是太喜欢这一篇了,所以等不及就先开始了。 如果有任何问题,请及时联系我删文!
Words: 28582, Chapters: 6/9, Language: 中文-普通话 國語
Fandoms: Marvel, DCU, Marvel Cinematic Universe, The Avengers (Marvel) - All Media Types, Justice League - All Media Types, Batman - All Media Types, Wonder Woman (Movies - Jenkins)
Rating: Explicit
Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Rape/Non-Con
Categories: M/M
Characters: Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, Steve Rogers, T'Challa (Marvel), James "Bucky" Barnes, James "Rhodey" Rhodes, Vision (Marvel), Wanda Maximoff, Sam Wilson (Marvel), Clint Barton, Pepper Potts, Natasha Romanov (Marvel), Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, Barbara Gordon, Alfred Pennyworth, Minor Characters, Diana (Wonder Woman)
Relationships: Steve Rogers/Tony Stark, Tony Stark/Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark & T'Challa, Minor or Background Relationship(s)
Additional Tags: Angst, Crossover, DC and Marvel, Angst and Hurt/Comfort, Post-Captain America: Civil War (Movie), not team Cap friendly, Not Steve Rogers Friendly, Not Stony Friendly, Implied/Referenced Rape/Non-con, BAMF Bruce, Batfamily (DCU), batfamily adopts Tony, IronBat - Freeform, Tony-centric, Tony Stark Still Has Arc Reactor, Hurt Tony Stark, T'Challa (Marvel) Is a Good Bro, Angst with a Happy Ending, I'm Bad At Tagging, What Was I Thinking?, What Have I Done, I'm Sorry
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hskwon · 2 years
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我讨厌他: I HATE HIM
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pairing: bestfriend!seungcheol x fem!reader
genre: fluff, crack.
崔承哲: your bestfriend choi seungcheol brings you home after hoshi invites you out for a drink after you told him that you were rejected.
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seungcheol is drying his hair on his bed when his phone rings, he glances at the caller's name and huffs when he sees jeonghan's name on the screen. he assumed it was just jeonghan invading his private time, but he still responded.
"what is it now?" he asked, sighing, ready to listen to whatever rubbish jeonghan had prepared to waste his time.
"our crazy best friend is drunk," jeonghan laughed. seungcheol replied, his brows wrinkled, "who? hoshi or dokyeom?"
"don't forget about y/n," jeonghan said, "just come here, she won't come with me, she said i'm not her type," he chuckled again after seeing y/n awkwardly look away from him and drink another shot of soju.
seungcheol, who was tired, hurriedly changed his clothes, dashed out of his condo, and drove to soonyoung's. the one who started all the commotion and revelry
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"isn't that your third time singing that song, y/n?" mingyu inquired.
"ya! don't stop her from doing what makes her happy. she just had a bread—breakup," soonyoung says as he approaches mingyu, who is holding his hands up.
mingyu stands up from his seat and told jeonghan he's leaving. everything is just mess, he laughed.
"it's not a breakup if they weren't even together in the first place," minghao sighed as he scrolled through his phone.
"are you invalidating my bestfriend's feelings?! how dare—" he got cutoff talking as seungkwan places a pizza in his mouth. "you're not only her friend,"
after taking the pizza out of his mouth he sleep on the floor too tired to even go to the bedroom. and after sensing that seungcheol is probably coming to this place, he should escape him by sleeping.
jeonghan, who is truly worried about everyone, could only laugh it off. every tragedy should be turned into a farce. the disco lights have been turned off, and choi seungcheol has also turned off the karaoke machine.
"who started this party?" he asked as he gently yanked the microphone from your grasp. they were all pointing to the sleeping tiger on the floor. "you should all clean up. you've emptied five cases of soju," seungcheol says with a sigh.
he gives you a soft, worried look, as if you're having a problem. "how many times does she sing the same song?" he wondered.
minghao raised three fingers in the air. "she's about to sing it again, glad you shut it off," he grinned.
she obviously has a problem. "I'll take her home," he says, thanking jeonghan for calling and chastising him for letting you get so drunk, but he just says he can't stop you from drinking, so he just lets you be.
you sat on the floor, taking off your converse sneakers. it's in your arms, and you're struggling to hold it tight.
"put that back, y/n," he said, but you ignored him and kept walking. he massaged his temples while holding your hand to prevent you from tripping.
he drags you towards his car, opening the shotgun seat for you and putting his hand over your head to keep you from colliding. he then climbed into the driver's seat.
"i've got rejected," you muttered, drawing his attention to you, as he buckled your seatbelt before questioning.
"by who?" he asked before starting the engine.
"by choi seungcheol *hic* that jerk. he knows I like him. why does he have to tell *hic* me he's about to ask someone on a date?" you sob, causing him to furrow his brows, which he then grinned at after realizing.
he came to a halt as the light turned red, saying, "well, what else? let it all out." he simply examined your face in the mirror, detailing that your eyes were closed but you were still babbling.
"i hate him. i hate how perfect he is, how beautiful his smile is, and those dimples. i hate how he always flaunts his car, taking me for a ride and making me feel special."
he try to stop his smile and asked, "are you sure you hate him?"
"i hate how I can't even hate him a little bit," you said, your cheeks flushed from the booze.
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you groaned and slowly opened your eyes, trying to remember what happened the day before. your eyes widened as you searched for your phone, which was on the desk, and as you ran towards it, you noticed cheol's message.
"i'm going there tomorrow morning and we'll discuss about what you just said today." yesterday 11:23 pm
you stutter as you read his message. how many times have I used the term "hate"? did i just labeled him a jerk? he's going to kill me.
you dashed to the bathroom to take a bath in an attempt to forget what had happened the day before. all of your erroneous remarks will be forgotten. you're thinking about how to get away from your best friend while soaking in the tub.
you finally get up and leave the bathtub after nearly falling asleep in it. you'll leave before he even enters the room.
you've already put on a white turtleneck and are looking for your converse sneakers at the front door. currently cursing yourself at how you just forgot where you put your favorite converse.
your condo door opened, revealing cheol, who was leaning into it while holding your shoes. "you forgot it in my car," he remarked as he placed it in front of you, ruffling your hair. "where are you going? have you had breakfast?" he asked.
"please don't ask, i don't remember anything from yesterday, and i'm so embarrassed for drinking without considering the consequences, so please don't murder me," you say, bowing 90 degrees to him.
when he realized how quickly you spoke, his eyes widened. he laughed out loud before closing the door and walking into your condo. "you should also apologize for calling me a jerk."
"i don't remember about that." you lied.
"you don't? of course, you don't. come here," he urged, and you turned to face him, finally finding him seated on your swivel chair. "why are you acting so awkward? this isn't the first time you've been drunk," he laughed at you.
"i'm not nervous that's just you," you say, your lips pursed. you haven't even blinked your eyes yet, and you're already on his lap.
"you can't remember anything about this, as well?" he asked, his hands on your waist and nape as he moved his face close in front of yours, noses brushing, but he didn't move an inch more.
you unbuckle your seatbelt as your eyes adjust to the light, and you see him do the same. you take a seat on his lap after grabbing his shoulder. "don't leave— i've got a question!" you mutter, accidentally clutching his nape and nuzzling your face into his neck after nearly falling.
"would you hate your best friend for hiding their feelings for you?"
"will you still like them if I say no?" he asked, you staring at him only a few centimeters away, "but you're not cheol," you stated as you were about to open the car door when he pulled you back and kissed you accidentally.
until you heard him giggle in your ear, your eyes opened and your face turned like a tomato. he drew his face away from you and murmured, "you're cute, you've never acted like this before."
"why are you so shy now? you just admitted you have feelings for me," he continued, his smile never wavering.
"just tell me if you're rejecting me or not," you stumbled, melting in his stare. as soon as your eyes started getting teary, he panicked and asked, "do you really think i consider of rejecting you when you're on my lap?"
"i'm not crying, don't look," she said, contradicting herself, he merely nods and kisses her cheeks while stroking circles on her back.
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BONUS!
"where's y/n?" hoshi asked looking around the house. "she go home with cheol-hyung." dino said patting the guy's back.
"cheol-hyung?! choi seungcheol?!" he yelled running towards his bedroom and turning on his phone, seeing more than fifteen messages from cheol, he grab his bag and run away from his home.
"handle cheol hyung for me!" hoshi laughed as he revved up his car's engine and phoned y/n for any updates.
"who's shouting so early in the morning?" seungkwan groans as he checks his phone reading the texts from the oldest.
they shouldn't really let y/n drink those soju without cheol's permission. minghao and jeonghan, who had also received a message from him, run out the door, thanking dino in advance.
dino, who was bewildered by what was going on, caught up with choi seungcheol. "hey, hyung!"
"don't hey hyung me, who told y/n to drink too much without telling me?" the youngest brows furrowed, he just got her earlier this morning and don't have any idea of what's happening.
"i didn't tell her anything! i wasn't even here yesterday!" he exclaims, feeling dejected now that he's alone in this house with no one to blame.
but it was hoshi's fault.
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zhuzhudushu · 2 years
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Yoyo中文 – 音乐
来自:Yoyo Chinese Intermediate Conversational Level 6 Unit 56-57
单词:
类型 / lèi xíng / category, genre, type
流行 / liú xíng / popular, fashionable
旋律 / xuán lü(4) / melody
优美 / yōu měi / beautiful, elegant (for sounds, surroundings, etc.)
歌词 / gē cí / lyrics
首 / shǒu / measure word for songs
所有的 / suǒ yǒu de / all of something (with no exceptions)
基本 / jī běn / basic, basically
放 / fàng / to play (music, movies, etc.)
古典 / gǔ diǎn / classical (music)
摇滚 / yáo gǔn / rock & roll (literal translation)
其他(它) / qí tā / other
真实 / zhēn shí / real, realistic, true
爵士(乐) / jué shì (yuè) / jazz (music)
乡村音乐 / xiāng cūn yīn yuè / country music (lit: countryside)
过瘾 / guò yǐn / satisfying, fulfilling
声音 / shēng yīn / voice
超 / chāo / super- (prefix)
同意 / tóng yì / to agree
爱情 / aì qíng / love (noun)
方面 / fāng miàn / side
另 / lìng / other, another
说唱 / shuō chàng / rap
闹 / nào / noisy (negative connotation)
心烦 / xīn fán / to feel annoying
Extra: 梁静茹 / liáng jìng rú / "Fish" Pop Singer 王菲 / wáng fēi / Faye Wong
语法:谈不上 / tán bu shàng / I can't say...
我刚认识他,所以谈不上了解。I just met him, so I can't say that I know him.
我不太喜欢他,可是夜谈不上讨厌他。I don't really like him, but I can't say that I hate him (either).
你喜欢什么类型的音乐?你喜欢谁的歌?为什么?What type of music do you like? Whose songs do you like? Why?
流行音乐,梁静茹的。因为觉得他的歌(儿)不但旋律优美,而且歌词写得特别好。他所有的歌我都喜欢。Pop music, Fish's (music). Because I think her songs not only have beautiful melodies, but also are well-written. I like all of her songs.
流行音乐。没有为什么,现在到处放的基本都是流行音乐。Pop music. No real reason why, right now (the music) playing everywhere is all basically pop music.
古典音乐很���听,谈不上喜欢吧。(I) rarely listen to classical music, I can't say that I like it.
摇滚。我觉得和其它乐比起来,摇滚乐更真实,更自由。Rock. I think compared to other music, rock music is more real, more free.
我喜欢流行音乐。我喜欢王菲,你不觉得她的声音超好听吗?I like pop music. I like Faye Wong, don't you think her voice is super pretty?
你喜欢爵士���或者乡村音乐吗?Do you like jazz or country music?
不喜欢,那些音乐听起来一点不过瘾。I don't like (them), those (types of) music don't sound satisfying at all.
流行音乐一方面唱的人比较多,另一方面也比较好学。(For) pop music, for one thing there are relatively a lot of people who sing it, for another thing it's also relatively easy to learn.
不喜欢说唱音乐,太闹了,听着心烦。I don't like rap music, too noisy, listening to it makes me annoyed.
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noteofnaught · 3 years
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内容全部都是个人意见与理解。这是之前为了活动写的,我个人认为谈不上对维吉尔分析,大概类似于某种梳理。
翻译还是可爱的deepl(翻译器)做的。
如果有什么错误或者问题请告诉我。
欢迎各种讨论。
The content is all personal opinion and understanding.This was written for activities before. Personally, I don't think Vergil can be analyzed. It is probably similar to some sort of combing.
The translation was done by the lovely deepl (translator).
Please let me know if there are any mistakes or problems.
All discussions are welcome.
维吉尔的童年曾经发生了什么
其实关于维吉尔在那天经历,官方有过非常明确的提及。
What happened to me in Vergil's childhood
In fact there is a very clear official reference to Vergil's experience on that day.
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父亲下落不明,那场火灾中母亲和胞弟因为未能及时赶回而死于仇人之手,在多年的行踪不明下,有在后续无尽的追杀中幸存下来。
尚且年幼维吉尔在童年经历这一一系列的变故后,认为弱小——也就是我们通常对当时发生的所有一切都无能为力的现象,他认为是一种罪。
弱小对于他而言是一种负面的表现。
他出现问题就会把问题归类于这是自己出现了问题而不是外部原因所造成的,看到这里,反过来我们也许会思考,为什么弱小会被他归类于是自己的问题?
没能保护母亲,没有能保护一同出生也没有任何想要共同承担起家庭责任的弟弟,又或者说他已经承担代替父亲保护母亲保护这个家的愿望彻底的破灭。
这所有的一切都是他的责任,所以他不应该怨恨其他人,没能保护好自己是过于弱小没有拥有力量的问题,而没有去思考别人伤害他这个行为根本就是错误的。
没有能力反抗伤害也是因为自身的弱小所造成的。
他将所有的问题都归纳在自己,是自己年幼无知的幼稚想法才让他失去了一切。
他“想要”很多东西,但“想要”这种需求对他而言是一种错误的贪婪行为。但凡他想要什么的时候,这种行为就会被归类于错误的一端,错误的欲望应当被压制,这让他兄长身份赋予超过这个年龄所有拥有的重压。
对于兄长的这个身份,不仅仅是他是他对自己的要求,其中还包含的有母亲对他的家庭角色定位,以及嘱托和期望。
从剧情中考虑伊娃只是一个普通的人类,一个年轻的单身母亲,亦不是圣母。就算是普通的家庭里,对于长子应该承担多一点做法也是完全合情合理的要求。
唯独在这样的家庭里,这种要求变成了对自己的苛责,在这样的家庭里,昔日的英雄下落不明,年轻的母亲因为需要带着孩子躲避灾祸而忧心忡忡,唯一能减轻母亲的负担的只有自己,在这样的情况下他还需要塑造达成兄长这样一个角色。
在这里,他角色定位被反复强调,他是什么样的角色远比他是谁更为重要。
His father's whereabouts are unknown, his mother and brother died at the hands of enemies when they failed to return in time from the fire, and after years of uncertainty about his whereabouts, he survived the endless chase that followed.
Still young, Vergil, having experienced this series of changes in his childhood, considered weakness - that is, the phenomenon that we are usually powerless against all that is happening at the time - to be a sin.
Weakness is a negative for him.
When he has a problem, he attributes it to the fact that it is his own problem and not to an external cause.
He had failed to protect his mother, his brother who was born with him and had no desire to share the responsibility of the family, or his desire to protect his mother and the family in place of his father had been completely dashed.
All of this was his responsibility, so he shouldn't have resented the others, failing to protect himself was a matter of being too weak to have power, and not thinking about the fact that the act of others hurting him was simply wrong.
The inability to resist harm is also the result of one's own weakness.
He blamed himself for all the problems, and it was his own childish thoughts of youthful ignorance that cost him everything.
He "wanted" many things, but the need to "want" was for him an act of misguided greed. But whenever he wants something, this behaviour is classified at the wrong end of the scale, and the wrong desire should be suppressed, which puts the weight of his elder brotherhood on him beyond all that he possesses at this age.
The role of older brother was not only a requirement for him, but also included his mother's role as a family man, and her wishes and expectations of him.
Considering the plot, Eva is just an ordinary human being, a young single mother, and not a saintly mother. Even in an ordinary family, it is a perfectly reasonable request that the eldest son should be given more responsibility.
Only in such a family, where the whereabouts of the former hero are unknown, where the young mother is worried because she needs to take the child away from the calamity, where the only one who can relieve her burden is himself, and where he needs to shape up to reach the role of older brother.
Here, the positioning of his character is repeatedly emphasised, the kind of character he is being far more important than who he is.
在三代里,阿卡姆曾经这样形容过爱丽丝。
In the DMC3, Arkham once described Alice in this way.
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被人讨厌的孩子,也不受到父母的喜爱,这个孩子自己都讨厌自己。
所以迫切希望长大,能够让自己坚强起来,不想再当一个幼稚的孩子。
维吉尔情形与她是类似的,当天因为生气的缘故跑了出去,然后发生那样的悲剧,而出去的理由对一个小孩子而言再正常不过。
三代漫画人物简介中,你会看到维吉尔认为母亲更偏爱但丁,在漫画VOV的剧情也得以见到这种想法的根源。
剧情很明显的向我们表达出:但丁让维吉尔陪自己玩,而维吉尔想要独处,最后在明显不是由自己挑起事端的状况下,母亲仍然责怪他,认为他应该迁就弟弟的要求。
这样的情况在家庭有复数孩子经常会出现——让年纪大一点的迁就年幼的孩子。当他们之间发生争执,那无论什么原因,错的都是年纪大一点的孩子,因为年幼应该被保护应该被善待仿佛是一种理所当然的存在。
这事一种显而易见的偏袒,当然在这里我们并不是要争论这个行为的对错,而是同样尚且年幼的维吉尔也同样知道这样的偏袒行为是一种不公正对待,就算他比弟弟早出生那么几秒钟,那他也希望周围的对象能和他一样以理服人,而不需要母亲以大道理来偏袒弟弟,用这种方式来苛责自己。
The child who is hated is also not loved by his parents; the child himself hates himself.
So desperate to grow up and be able to toughen myself up and not want to be a childish child again.
Vergil was in a similar situation to her, having run away that day in anger and then having a tragedy like that, for reasons that were perfectly normal for a small child.
In the character profiles of the three generations of comics, you will see that Vergil believes that his mother prefers Dante, and you will be able to see the roots of this idea in the storyline of the comic VOV.
The plot is clearly expressed to us: Dante asks Vergil to play with him, while Vergil wants to be left alone, and in the end, in a situation where it is clear that he did not start the trouble, his mother still blames him, believing that he should have accommodated his brother's demands.
This is often the case in families with more than one child - the older child is allowed to give way to the younger one. When there is an argument between them, it is the older child who is at fault for whatever reason, because it is as if the younger child should be protected and treated well as if it were a matter of course.
This is a clear case of favouritism, and of course we are not arguing about the rightness or wrongness of this action, but Vergil, who is also young, knows that such favouritism is an injustice, even if he was born a few seconds before his brother, and he wants to be surrounded by people who are as reasonable as he is, and does not need his mother to favour his brother with her reasoning and to criticise himself in this way.
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因为弱会导致死亡,无论他者还是自身。
可以看出DMC3维吉尔名台词:「没有力量你无法保护任何东西,即使是你自己」的由来。
兄长的身份让他认为自己应当承担责任,承担父亲的遗产等等,但悲剧变故是引发他扭曲责任感的源头。
三代漫画人物简介中你也可以看到,维吉尔认为但丁分走了属于自己一半的力量。
正义基本要素就是公平。
你有母亲的爱与保护,那父亲的力量归属就给我了吧,这是公平的。
你有母亲的保护,那我要父亲的保护,这是公平的。
为什么这个是你的,这个也是你的呢?这不公平。
在DMC5我们可以看到经典那一幕,V在说完斯巴达之刃(父亲)保护了但丁之后情绪严重失控。
说出了:“如果你不存在…………”
这句话可以引申出很多含义:如果你不在的话,自己就能拥有全部力量去保护母亲,母亲就不会死。如果你不在话,父亲也会保护我之类。
经过以上举例,我们会发现这些引申都是一些人很常见的想法,打开网络页面去搜索或者询问身边有兄弟姐妹的朋友,会发现这些情况是存在的,他们或多或少存在过以上这些问题,毕竟兄弟姐妹的存在,确实一定程度上分走本可能全部属于自己的资源。
孩子自私希望全部都属于自己,是人之常情。
当然,公平性是很重要的,但公平性也会有非常残忍的一面。
就如同你有一盒子巧克力,决定奖励给学生,通过考试测验,你奖励给了学习成绩更好那一个,因为你认为他很努力所以学习成绩好。
而这一刻公平性残忍出现在地方是:有其他孩子,因为下课之后还需要帮助父母工作,导致他学习时间与精力不能与其他人相比,于是他成绩不如其他人。
知识测试题目,人人都一样,所以这是公平,但每个人拥有学习时间、资源却并不一致;于是这就出现非公平。
弱者与强者同台比拼,靠体能决定胜负,但为什么这是不公平?因为弱者与强者之间体能本身就已经天差地别。
理同恶魔与人类,人类就是比恶魔在体能上弱小,所以恶魔与人类之间如果存在斗争,那就是不公平,是强者在欺负弱者。
于是,我们就可以称呼该行为属于非正义行为。
这也是为什么当我们看到,体育运动这类带有竞争性比赛上,在各方面不占先天优势的人赢了占先天优势的人,会如此热血沸腾的缘故之一。
维吉尔对公平性要求是刻入骨子的程度,从DMC5中他复活后与但丁对话到DMC1中黑天使从不偷袭而要求堂堂正正战斗,都能体现这一点。
无论对手是谁,堂堂正正是要务,大概只能阿卡姆能够破列吧,虽然阿卡姆其实不算对手。
维吉尔(V)在漫画里面不断责问自己,他的责问并不是,【自己为什么没有赢】而是【自己为什么会输】。
为什么没有赢与为什么会输,看起来是相同的东西,但提问方向是不一样的。
【为什么没有赢】是处于认为自己各方面条件都很好,没有破绽的是应该会赢才对;而【为什么会输】责问是自身到底那里做的不够好,才导致失败。
这其实也是符合维吉尔内在归因的问题。
他认为他与但丁之间应当是平等,而不是一高一低。
在VoV漫画里面有一段监督关于:在V噩梦中为什么出现的是叛逆而不是力之刃的解析。 是因为维吉尔觉得,叛逆与阎魔都是各自属于他们,而斯巴达之刃是属于他们共同所有的。
而但丁与维吉尔在经历那一天之后,他们所在社会、拥有的资源已经完全不一致。
维吉尔所在的社会看起来是人类的社会,但实际是恶魔的丛林社会。
蒙杜斯的追杀让他一直生活一个恶魔丛林里面,这个丛林唯一的法则就是:弱肉强食。
谁也不能够完全付托信任,天知道那是不是蒙杜斯派来恶魔伪装的。
“同伴”“信仰”那是与恶魔毫无关系的东西,甚至是导致其丧命的。
另一边的但丁用他自己所说的最为合适「グルーに言われた通りだぜ。オレは大甘の甘ちゃんで、 奴やあんた に甘えっぱなしだったんだな」
【一切确如格鲁所说,我以前太天真单纯/天真到傻,尽跟他还有你撒娇/尽是依赖你们】
但丁遇到了愿意保护他愿意引导他的格鲁、待他如同自己孩子的尼尔(妮可的婆婆)。
可以说但丁在一个充满爱的环境下长大,有能够依赖的人,能够像孩子一样长大。
我们看新闻或者小说也会经常提到,那种单亲家庭或者孤儿的孩子,会比一般孩子更早熟一点,并不是他们心理状态真的已经是完全的成年人了,而是环境迫使他们必须承担更多东西。
在生活中得像成年人一样处事或者工作,老成的可怕。
但丁自己的话,自证他并没有变成那种老成可怕的人。
这里不是说,谁比谁更惨一点,没有比惨的意思。
而是在说,他们两个人从那一天开始,遇到的人/事,生活的环境是不一样的,经历也不一样,拥有的资源更不一样。
这些都是让他们为何看起来如此不同关键之一。
当然维吉尔介意从来不是,但丁待遇更好资源更好,而是父母。
V的台词:“我也曾想要爱与保护,但我孤身一人,除了生存别无选择。”
这里爱与保护,不论是英文还是日语表达都是过去时,是曾经渴望过的东西,而他现在已经放弃不再“贪心”,再结合前面V在斯巴达之刃那里失控,还有但丁对U所说的“母亲并没抛弃你。”
我们其实可以得出V(维吉尔)真正介意的并不是但丁比他幸运比他过的好,但丁拥有一切包括名声等等其实都可以都不在乎的,内心唯一纠结妒忌过的是父母的保护与爱。
可是想要,甚至妒忌弟弟能有父母的爱与保护。
这一点上连维吉尔自己都在鄙视自己。
在遭受痛苦的时候,孩子渴望父母保护是非常天然的一件事情,对于孩子来说,父母是如同神一样的存在。
那么在遭受恶魔袭击的维吉尔而言,会产生希望母亲来救自己的想法,是非常自然的一件事。
而孩子在遭受痛苦时候父母没有出现,会产生遭受遗弃感觉也是非常理所当然的结论。
我们可以在很多儿童心理学上找到无数的案列,甚至在日常生活中见到,有这样的一些人,他们会逗弄孩子,告诉他:你妈妈没来找你就是不要你了。这些行为都会将孩子弄哭,甚至产生对孩子的心理造成严重的影响。
这让很多人批判这种逗孩子的行为,也有很多人在网络上发表自己遭受过这种行为后留下很多心理阴影,多年都无法释怀。
当然,人在遭受自己无法抵抗苦难的时候,渴望得救想法也是非常自然的事情。
这种想法与维吉尔���要保护自己的母亲的想法完全是不矛盾的。
可为什么要鄙视这种自然而的想法呢?
因为作为这种想法是作为一个兄长、保护家庭的角色定位里面不应该有的。
或者换成那种最令人厌恶的表达方式,就像有亲戚告诉你:你妈妈怎么来救你啊?飞过去来救你吗?你怎么可以这样想?你妈妈为了救你都死了啦!你怎么那么没用,真给你爹妈丢人!腿断了有啥大不了的,你有手啊?你一个男人怎么那么矫情,不就说几句嘛?要大气一点!懂吗?你学学你弟弟,你学学你爸爸啊。别那么丢人现眼好吗?要大气一点!懂吗?别那么小鸡肚肠子。你爹妈都死还惦记这个?现在小孩子真不行,我那会儿不也这样过来的吗?
如果刚好是一个神经比较大条,大概可能笑笑就算了,但如果撞上一个非常敏感的人,那么这些话几乎就是核弹级别了。
人的情绪是复杂,有时候并非完全单一的情绪,在一些电视节目采访里面,那些做出英雄举动的普通人,也会告诉你,其实当时自己也不是不害怕的。
我们可以随着时间或者成长释怀某些东西,但维吉尔人生(DMC5之前)还没能得到这些。
最终,维吉尔对这一切又重新落回去,对自己的恨意之上。
在这个简介中还会提到,维吉尔对自己作为半魔是非常自卑的,同时也是一个理性的、个人主义者。
作为人类,并不纯正,作为恶魔又是个半调子,那边都不是又同时被两边嫌弃。
而身为半魔注定了,作为人类伴随而来的人类情感,这些情感自然包括负面感情。
DMC3里面维吉尔作为一个冷酷无情的恶魔,却又被阿卡姆耍了一番,虽然他们的合作本质是建立在互相利用之上。
但对人性透彻与坚定不移牺牲一切获得力量的阿卡姆而言,维吉尔也不过是一个毫无防备便于利用的孩子罢了。
在DMC3过场中,我们可以看到维吉尔与阿卡姆之间互动,维吉尔非常嫌弃并厌恶阿卡姆,而他也并非像他战斗时候表现的那样,冷酷无情,精准切割;相反是一个拥有浓烈感情,甚至一定程度是脆弱而敏感的。
他会被阿卡姆的嘲讽他不过是不完整半人半魔杂种而极其愤怒,过场动画还给了愤怒的维吉尔一个特写镜头。
其后游戏过场中还有日后经常被各路玩家提梗:Why it doesn't work!!
维吉尔因机器不工作而大为愤怒,仿佛一个小孩子遇到困难时候,毫无办法只能在那边生闷气;还有M13过场动画中他发现被阿卡姆欺骗,气的咬牙切齿的表情。
他会被但丁话语简单激怒,又会因为蕾蒂说他利用阿卡姆,而语带嘲讽。
这些都是作为人的情绪,起源于非理性。
好的,我们再次要提及他们成长环境带来的影响。
在官方出版刊物中,在解析但丁与维吉尔关系之前,有这么一段话作为前序。
「在梦中有时会有这样的人物出现,他们做着自己绝不可能做的事情,有着和自己完全不一样的行为。会经常让梦中的自己非常烦躁不安。他们即便张着一张自己非常熟悉的朋友的脸,但却怎么也回忆不起那张脸是谁。
根据荣格所分类的6种梦境原型来看,这种现象叫做阴影理论。人出生之后,受成长环境,本人秉性的影响形成了人格。但是不管是多么温厚,替人着想的人格,冷彻,残酷,利己这部分是不会消失的。这部分人格在人们潜意识里静静存活。这就是阴影理论,应该说是被隐藏起来的人格。
能否将鬼泣3的但丁与维吉尔当作互为影子的存在?」
For weakness leads to death, whether of the other or of oneself.
One can see the origin of DMC3 Vergil's famous line: 'Without strength you cannot protect anything, even yourself'.
Being the older brother makes him think he should take responsibility, take on his father's legacy, etc., but the tragic turn of events is what triggers his twisted sense of responsibility.
As you can see in the character profiles of the three generations of comics, Vergil believes that Dante has taken half of the power that belongs to him.
The basic element of justice is fairness.
You have the love and protection of your mother, so it's fair that the father's power belongs to me.
You have the protection of the mother, then I want the protection of the father; that is fair.
Why should this be yours and this be yours? It's not fair.
In DMC5 we can see that classic scene where V loses a serious emotional outburst after saying that the Blade of Sparta (the father) has protected Dante.
Speaking out, "If you didn't exist ............"
There are many meanings that can be derived from this statement: if you had not existed, he would have had all the power to protect his mother and she would not have died. If you were not there, my father would have protected me and so on.
If you search the internet or ask your friends who have siblings, you will find that these situations do exist, and that they have had these problems to some extent.
It is only human for children to be selfish and want it all for themselves.
Of course, fairness is important, but fairness can also have a very cruel side.
It is as if you had a box of chocolates and decided to reward a student, and through a test you rewarded the one who did better in school because you thought he had worked hard and therefore did well in school.
And where this moment of fairness cruelty appears is that there are other children who, because they have to help their parents with their work after class, are not able to compare with the others in terms of time and energy spent studying, and so he does not do as well as the others.
The knowledge test questions are the same for everyone, so this is fair, but everyone has the time and resources to study but not the same; so this appears non-fair.
The weak and the strong compete on the same stage and rely on physical ability to decide the winner, but why is this unfair? Because the physical ability of the weak and the strong is already very different from each other.
So if there is a struggle between demons and humans, it is unfair, the stronger bullying the weaker.
We can then call the act an act of injustice.
This is one of the reasons why we get so worked up when we see, in a competitive competition such as sport, someone who is not innately superior in every way win against someone who is.
Vergil's demand for fairness is engrained in his bones to a degree that is evident from his conversation with Dante after his resurrection in DMC5 to the Black Angels never sneaking up on him but demanding a square fight in DMC1.
No matter who the opponent is, tangibility is a priority, and probably only Arkham can break the list, although Arkham is not really an opponent.
Vergil (V) constantly berates himself in the manga, not so much for [why he didn't win] but for [why he lost].
Why he didn't win and why he lost seem to be the same thing, but the direction of questioning is different.
The question "Why didn't you win" is based on the belief that you were in a good position to win, and that there were no flaws in your game.
This, in fact, is also in line with Vergil's internal attribution problem.
He believes that there should be equality between him and Dante, not one above the other.
There is a passage in the VoV comic that oversees the resolution of why it is Rebellion and not the Blade of Power that appears in the V Nightmare.
It is because Vergil feels that both Rebellion and Yama belong to them individually, while the Blade of Sparta belongs to them jointly.
And Dante and Vergil, after that day, are in societies and have resources that are completely at odds with each other.
Vergil was in a society that appeared to be human, but in reality was a demonic jungle society.
Mundus' hunt has kept him in a demonic jungle where the only law is that the weak are the strong.
No one can be fully trusted, and God knows if it was Mundus who sent the demon in disguise.
"Companionship" and "faith" are things that have nothing to do with demons, even if they lead to their death.
Dante on the other side uses his own words most appropriately, "グルーに言われた通りだぜ. Ore wa da gan no gan chan de, nuiya aanta ni gan e jin shi dana
[It's true what Guru said, I was too naive and simple/naive enough to pamper myself with him and you/relied on you all the time]
Dante meets Gru, who is willing to protect him and guide him, and Neal (Nicole's mother-in-law), who treats him like her own child.
You could say that Dante grew up in a loving environment, with people he could rely on and grow up like a child.
It is often mentioned in the news or in novels that children from single-parent families or orphans are a little more mature than the average child, not because they are really fully grown mentally, but because the environment forces them to take on more.
Having to conduct themselves or work like adults in life, the old age is frightening.
Dante's own words testify to himself that he did not turn out to be one of those old and scary people.
Here it is not saying that who is a little more miserable than who, there is no comparison of misery.
Rather, it is saying that the two of them have encountered different people/events, lived in different circumstances, had different experiences, and had even more different resources since that day.
These are all part of the keys that make them seem so different.
Of course Vergil minded that it was never, Dante who was treated better and had better resources, but his parents.
V's line, "I too have wanted love and protection, but I was alone and had no choice but to survive."
Here love and protection, whether expressed in English or Japanese, are in the past tense, something that was once desired and which he has now given up and is no longer "greedy" for, combined with V's loss of control at the Spartan Blade earlier, and Dante's words to U, "Mother did not abandon you. "
The only thing V (Vergil) really cares about is not that Dante is luckier than he is, but that Dante has everything he needs, including fame, and could care less, and that the only thing he is jealous of is his parents' protection and love.
But he wanted, and was even jealous of, his brother's love and protection.
Even Vergil himself despises himself for this.
In times of suffering, it is natural for a child to long for parental protection; to a child, parents are like gods.
It is natural, then, for Vergil, who has been attacked by a demon, to want his mother to come to his rescue.
And it is only natural that the child would feel abandoned if his parents were not present when he was suffering.
We can find countless cases in child psychology, and even in everyday life, of people who tease the child by telling him that if your mother doesn't come to you, she doesn't want you. All these actions can make the child cry and even produce serious psychological effects on the child.
This has led many people to criticise this kind of teasing, and many have posted on the internet that they have been subjected to this behaviour and it has left many psychological shadows that they have not been able to let go of for many years.
Of course, it is only natural for people to long for salvation when they are suffering from something they cannot resist.
Such thoughts are not at all incompatible with Vergil's desire to protect his mother.
But why should one despise such a natural thought?
Because such thoughts are not to be found in the role of an older brother, a protector of the family.
Or to put it in the most disgusting way, like when a relative tells you: How is your mother going to come to your rescue? Fly over to save you? How can you think like that? Your mother died trying to save you! Why are you so useless? You're a disgrace to your parents! What's the big deal if your leg is broken? You have a hand? You're a man, why are you so pretentious? Behave yourself! You know what I mean? You learn from your brother, you learn from your father. Don't be so embarrassed, okay? Behave yourself! You know what? Don't be such a chicken. Your parents are dead and you're still thinking about it? It's not good for kids these days. I was like that when I was a kid.
If you happen to be a person with a lot of nerves, you might laugh it off, but if you run into someone who is very sensitive, then these words are almost nuclear.
People have complex emotions and sometimes they are not completely monolithic. In some TV interviews, ordinary people who do heroic acts will also tell you that they were not unafraid at the time.
We can let go of certain things over time or as we grow up, but Vergil hasn't been able to get that in his life (before DMC5).
Eventually, Vergil falls back on top of it all, on top of his hatred for himself.
It will also be mentioned in this synopsis that Vergil is very inferior to himself as a half-demon, as well as being a rational, individualist.
Not pure as a human, and half-toned as a demon, neither side and disliked by both at the same time.
And being half-demon predestines, as humans come with human emotions, and these naturally include negative feelings.
In DMC3 Vergil, a cold and ruthless demon, is again played by Arkham, although the nature of their partnership is based on mutual exploitation.
But to Arkham, a man with a thorough understanding of human nature and a determination to sacrifice everything to gain power, Vergil is nothing more than a defenceless child who can be used.
In the DMC3 overworld, we see Vergil interacting with Arkham, who Vergil dislikes and loathes greatly, and who is not as cold and precise and cutting as he appears to be in battle; instead, he is a man of strong emotions, and even a degree of vulnerability and sensitivity.
He is extremely angry at Arkham's taunt that he is nothing more than an incomplete half-human, half-demon bastard, and the overworld animation gives a close-up of an angry Vergil.
Later on in the game, there is also a frequent reference to Why it doesn't work!
Vergil is furious that the machine doesn't work, as if he is a child in trouble and has no choice but to sulk, and the M13 overworld animation shows him gritting his teeth in anger when he realises he has been tricked by Arkham.
He will be simply angered by Dante's words, and then mocked by Letty's comment about him using Arkham.
These are emotions that originate as human beings and are irrational.
Well, once again we have to mention the influence of the environment in which they were brought up.
In the official publication, before parsing Dante's relationship with Vergil, there is this passage as a preface.
"In dreams such characters sometimes appear who do things they could never do and behave in a way completely different from themselves. They can often be very disturbing to the dreamer. Even though they have the face of a friend whom they know very well, they cannot recall who that face is.
According to the six dream archetypes classified by Jung, this phenomenon is called the shadow theory. After birth, a person's personality is formed by the environment in which he or she grows up and by his or her own nature. But no matter how gentle and considerate the personality is, the cold, cruel and egoistic part of the personality does not disappear. This part of the personality lives on in the subconscious. This is the shadow theory, the hidden personality, I should say.
Can you think of Dante and Vergil in Ghostbusters 3 as being in the shadow of each other?
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维吉尔作为这个名字拥有者,神曲中理性的代表。
我们先将这部分作为他本性存在,在dmc3也提及过,名字是一个恶魔的如同原型一样的东西。
通常情况下,我们正常生活中,理性会让我们控制住自己的兽性。
而维吉尔一般情况展示给大众是这样的一个形象:冷酷无情、自我中心、冷漠,像恶魔一样自私自利,为了一己之私而不惜牺牲其他任何事物。
在人类社会中,即使人性确实存在这样的负面部分,但被认为这是劣等的人,社会提倡我们要为他人着想;我们成长在一个有铁序安全的和平的社会之中,周围的人也是温柔善良的人,那么我们自然也会受到影响,把属于人性之中不好的兽性部分,压制下去。
即使我们受到社会道德影响与本性等等反面的影响,那些阴影的部分也绝对不会消失。
我们依旧存在着人性里面包含着负面那一部分,会为了自身安逸、利益等原因破坏环境,发动战争。
在地球上存在着这一边生活的是在安稳中烦恼着金钱、家庭、朋友、理想等的人们,而另一边却是在战火的废墟里卑微祈祷着能够活下来的人。
我们得到东西、思考的方式与我们生活的社会有着密切的联系。
而维吉尔生存的社会是一个怎么样的社会呢?他展示出来的是自己生存的社会,是一个恶魔社会。
他整个人内外翻转了。
人的兽性在内部,人性在外部。
但维吉尔他的兽性在外部,人性反而在里面。
在刊物描述中,对维吉尔与但丁之间关系总结是:「处于对极的但丁与维吉尔,他们之间的战斗其实也是与另一个自己的战斗。但丁、维吉尔互为影子,同时互为光芒。但丁与维吉尔的关系就是,通过彼此的存在而成就自己。」
而在dmc3故事结局,也符合这个描述的。
维吉尔故事最后,让但丁离开,无论从对话中还是行为中都没有体现出,他打算独占力量,而是他认可但丁想要作为人类活下去的想法。
他行为与态度确实是存在着爱,并不是利己的而是利他的,给予但丁爱与希望。
也正如荣格的阴影理论所言:阴影是我们生命力之源,我们需要整合到我们自身当中去。
也亦如荣格那句:当爱支配一切时,权力就不存在了;当权力主宰一切时,爱就消失了。两者互为对方的影子。
维吉尔也许希望过爱,但他所在社会决定了,是权力主宰一切。
人性现在都成为维吉尔的阴影部分,没有被恶魔完全同化掉,甚至可以称为奇迹。
Vergil as the bearer of this name, the representative of reason in the Divine Comedy.
We will start with this part as the presence of his nature, also mentioned in dmc3, the name of which is a demon as if it were an archetype.
Usually, in our normal lives, reason keeps us in control of our bestiality.
Vergil, on the other hand, generally presents the public with an image of being cold, self-centred, indifferent, self-serving like a demon, and willing to sacrifice anything else for his own selfish ends.
In human society, even though such negative parts of human nature do exist, they are considered to be inferior and society promotes us to think of others; we grow up in a peaceful society with iron order security and surrounded by gentle and kind people, then we are naturally influenced to suppress the bad bestial parts that belong to human nature.
Even if we are influenced by social and moral influences and the opposite of our nature and so on, those shadow parts will never disappear.
We still have the negative part of human nature that destroys the environment and starts wars for our own comfort, profit and other reasons.
On one side of the planet exist people who live in peace and worry about money, family, friends, ideals, etc., while on the other side are people who are humbly praying to survive in the ruins of war.
The way we get things and think about them is closely linked to the society in which we live.
And what kind of a society does Vergil survive in? What he shows is the society in which he survives, a society of demons.
His whole being flipped inside and out.
Man's bestiality is on the inside, his humanity on the outside.
But Vergil his bestiality is on the outside, his humanity on the inside instead.
The relationship between Vergil and Dante is summed up in the publication's description as follows: "Dante and Vergil, at opposite ends of the spectrum, are in fact fighting with their other selves. Dante and Vergil are each other's shadows and at the same time, they are each other's light. The relationship between Dante and Vergil is that of being made whole by the presence of each other.
And in the dmc3 story ending, which also fits this description.
Virgil's story ends by letting Dante go, and it does not come across, either in the dialogue or in his behaviour, that he intends to monopolise the power, but rather that he recognises Dante's desire to live as a human being.
There is indeed love in his behaviour and attitude, not self-interested but altruistic, giving Dante love and hope.
It is also as Jung's theory of shadows states: shadows are the source of our life force, which we need to integrate into ourselves.
It is also as Jung said: When love rules everything, power ceases to exist; when power rules everything, love disappears. The two are each other's shadow.
Virgil may have wished for love, but the society he lived in dictated that it was power that ruled.
Humanity is now all a shadow part of Vergil, and it may even be called a miracle that the demon has not been completely assimilated away.
关于父亲
About father
维吉尔简介中也提及,他渴望超越自己的父亲。
恶魔=父亲。
这反馈到DMC主题中之一。
超越父亲。
这个命题到底还是建立自我、成长。
在古典的故事里面,角色都是通过击败上一辈或者象征父亲的角色,来证明自我的确立,摆脱父亲,对自我的肯定。
他渴望超越父亲带来不止是荣耀还有包含其中的自由与自我。
但恶魔给予他带来是无穷无尽的伤害与压制,先不提后面dmc1中蒙杜斯的事情,我们从他小时候第一次遇见恶魔开始。
他当时作为一个恶魔的受害者,第一次面对恶魔力量带来的感受,并不是自由与安全,而是应当是恐惧。我们在可以在漫画VoV中看到,当他遭遇恶魔攻击时候,他是没有还手的能力,直接被贯穿胸口倒在地上,并非常自然伸手呼喊求救,感觉到巨大的疼痛。
Vergil's profile also mentions that he aspired to surpass his father.
Devil = Father.
This feeds into one of the DMC themes.
Beyond the Father.
The proposition is ultimately about building the self and growing.
Within the classical stories, the characters are proving self-establishment, freedom from the father, and affirmation of the self by defeating the previous generation or the character who symbolises the father.
His desire to rise above his father brought not only glory but also the freedom and ego contained therein.
But the demon gives him is endlessly hurtful and oppressive, leaving aside for a moment what happens to Mundus later in dmc1, where we start with his first encounter with the demon as a child.
The feelings he felt at that time as a victim of a demon, the first time he faced demonic power, were not freedom and safety, but should have been fear. As we can see in the comic VoV, when he is attacked by the demon, he is incapable of fighting back and falls to the ground straight through the chest and very naturally reaches out and cries for help, feeling great pain.
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��根本没有抵抗这股力量的能力,是恶魔在用力量在伤害他,而不是他用力量战胜了恶魔。
他是讨厌受伤的,在DMC3过场动画里面,维吉尔需要用鲜血才能激活祭坛,那一幕里面我们可以清晰看到,当他割开自己手心时候,极度厌恶的表情。
然后,他在DMC1再次受到恶魔力量严重摧残,在这里恶魔力量给予他的感受其实依旧是恐惧。
是的,没有力量,他活不下,自身难保,这次连自我都再次被夺走,成为蒙杜斯复仇的玩偶。
He had no power at all to resist this power; it was the demon that was hurting him with its power, not he that had overcome it with it.
He hates being wounded, and in the DMC3 overworld animation, Vergil needs blood to activate the altar, and in that scene we can clearly see the look of utter disgust on his face when he cuts open his palm.
Then, he was again badly ravaged by demonic forces in DMC1, where the feelings they gave him actually remained fearful.
Yes, without power he could not live, he could not defend himself, and this time even his ego was once again taken from him, becoming a doll for Mundus' revenge.
在DMC5的小说中,可以看到蒙杜斯征服黑天使描述是这样的
In the DMC5 novel, Mundus' conquest of the nelo Angels can be seen described as follows
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蒙杜斯认为���链是维吉尔渴望的力量的象征。
改造后一直不愿意服从他的黑天使,在给予项链之后,终于服从于他。
但是我们在VoV漫画中知道,阎魔刀才是维吉尔追求力量的代表,阎魔刀才是力量的象征。
他是通过阎魔存活的,如同DMC4一样阎魔激活尼禄的力量,让尼禄重生。
阎魔就像他的化身一样,是维吉尔践行的力量之道。
Mundus saw the necklace as a symbol of the power that Vergil craved.
The nelo Angel, who had been reluctant to obey him after the transformation, finally obeyed him after being given the necklace.
But we know in the VoV manga that it is the Yama sword that represents Vergil's quest for power; the Yama sword is the symbol of power.
He survives through Yama, and as in DMC4 Yama activates Nero's power and brings him back to life.
Yama is like his avatar, the way of power that Vergil practises.
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那项链在这里代表是什么?
So what does the necklace represent here?
那项链在这里代表是什么?
首先,这个项链并非他的父亲给他,反而是属于母亲的遗物。
代表是母亲对他的爱,而不是父亲对他的爱。项链更加是属于他的东西,独一无二的东西。母亲对他的爱也是,是理应无法被抢走的东西。那这里项链代表应当是父母的爱,母亲对他的爱。而不是力量。蒙杜斯通过爱让黑天使完全接受控制,从而使自己的恶魔力量能够腐蚀维吉尔。作为黑天使的时候,拥有可不仅仅自尊的严重伤害,也并非毫无益处。作为黑天使的时候,他确实是安全的,受到庇护的。
剥夺思考带来同时也是不需要承受压力与重坦的状态,但确实是扯线的玩偶。他自尊是完全不能够接受这样的耻辱。维吉尔自然是憎恨厌恶自己人性(感情)懦弱的,这之后击败他刚好又是宿命的对手,但丁。
但丁不仅仅是他弟弟,也是作为“斯巴达之子”有力竞争对手,他们两个是双胞胎,都继承了父亲一部分的东西。
而DMC1游戏过场中,我们都可以从台词中知道,恶魔眼中的但丁就像斯巴达一样。
DMC3中贝奥武夫也直接喊着但丁是那个垃圾斯巴达。
那么,作为黑天使的维吉尔,其实就像被斯巴达打败一样。
他不但没有达成超越父亲的渴望,而是又一次遭受到恶魔力量摧残,最后一次甚至是来自于自己敬畏的父亲代言人也是自己宿命对手但丁,那相当于父亲否定了他。
我们都知道维吉尔崇尚力量甚至可以说崇拜力量,完全可以从DMC3里面他不择手段想要获得斯巴达力量跟M20中与但丁最后一战那一句:“我需要更多力量。”看出来。
同时,我们从但丁口中得知维吉尔是很敬畏自己的父亲的,在前面官方刊物内容中也有提及到这个。
一般来说造成人对某个事物的崇拜,理由有很多种,但我们这里先不说其他的,而是说最原始的一种,在一些电视历史节目或者传统神话故事里面,我们可以看到古代的人崇拜的神灵并不是那种满足人类愿望的神灵,比如说龙神,在一些地方是这样的传说,要每年定期安排祭品进行祭祀,而不进行的话龙神就会发怒,淹掉整条村子。
那些崇拜龙神的人并不是在感恩龙神保佑他们,而是在害怕龙神的惩罚,是对被毁灭的恐惧,
人们为龙神进行祭祀仪式以确保自己是安全。当然也有另外一种形式,就是通过“晒龙王”这种行为,从而证明自己获得比龙神更强的力量,在心理上确保自己是安全。
但无论是那一个方法,村民们其实都已经遭受过严重灾难,那些恐惧深深刻他们脑海之中。
维吉尔已经被恶魔力量摧残过很多次,他内心对恶魔力量恐惧理应在DMC1之后达到最高峰,同时崇拜也达到了巅峰。
但同样不可否认恶魔力量确实一定程度为他带来安全感,但这是一种一直在漏水的安全感。
即使他后来拿起这个伤害他的东西作为武器,也没有完全摆脱恶魔力量给他带来巨大创伤。
他生活环境也没有提供给他一个安稳的环境,导致他也失去重新认识自我与审视的机会。
那么让我们谈谈别的,他对母亲的感受。
维吉尔人性有很多负面想法,甚至有维吉尔认为可耻的想法,这些我们都知道了。
他对于回忆母亲会感觉哀伤而不是被爱着的安慰,这一点在DMC5里面V在游戏里面与格蕾芬交谈中可以得知。
而在DMC3个人简介描述中,对于身为人类的母亲则是抱有类似乡愁,但又会使他重新感受到自己身为人类,并且唤起对自身厌恶的存在。乡愁是一种再也无法回去又无法拥有的,又深深挂念着的充满哀伤的感情,而更加会想起那天惨剧,自己当时作为人类的无能导致母亲死亡甚至渴望得救的可耻想法,从而更加无法克制产生恨意。
维吉尔每当回忆起自己母亲或者如同VoV里面V去但丁事务所时候,看见母亲照片那种时候的厌恶的表情,他的表现就是无法控制自己的厌恶。
如果他只是单纯恨自己母亲,恨他抛弃了自己,那理应不会对母亲抱有乡愁的感情,毕竟正常情况下我们是不会去挂念我们恨着的东西甚至不会去一直惦记那些自己讨厌的东西,而V过场与格蕾芬台词:“说不想是在说谎。但过去……对我来说很是痛苦”,他的确是思念自己的母亲,硬要说因为得不到反而恨起来还能像那么一回事,所以这个恨意与厌恶是对着他自己的。
母亲是他陷入力量泥潭原因之一吗?是的,但并非全部。同样,母亲那天是企图拯救他这个事件,能解决他沉迷力量这个问题吗?
在DMC5里面但丁曾用母亲到死之前都在寻找他,是想去救他来劝说Urizen,而但丁回忆过场中,母亲的确也是外出寻找维吉尔叫喊他的名字然后遭遇不测,从这个角度上来说,我们是否可以说,如果不是为了救维吉尔,母亲有可能活下来?那么,但丁说这句话不相当于在责备维吉尔害死母亲吗?
维吉尔因没能保护母亲长久痛苦,自我责备自我厌恶自我憎恨,知道母亲居然为了救他而死,是自己害死母亲,那这句话只会让他更加难受更加自责,更加憎恨自己的无能为力。
所以,很可惜并不能。
但维吉尔是爱着自己母亲的,通过DMC5SE对话我们可以得知,维吉尔还害怕自己母亲生气。
那既然是这样,维吉尔因为知道母亲临死之前心愿就是他能够活下去,能够得救虽然并不能让维吉尔放弃力量,但至少能有一点安慰,当然是建立完整的维吉尔而不是Urizen之上。
那么,维吉尔是否是一个不自爱的人?
作为如同半身一样存在的但丁,也对痴迷力量的维吉尔充满了厌恶。
而但丁与维吉尔作为恶魔是必须合起来才算完整,在DMC3游戏阿卡姆台词可以得知。
他们身为半人半魔也意味着,他们的人的部分也是对半开的,他们终其一生必然互相追逐着对方才能使自己人性得以完整,而不是处于残缺的状态。
First of all, the necklace was not given to him by his father, but instead belonged to his mother as a relic.
It represents his mother's love for him, not his father's love for him. The necklace is more something that belongs to him, something unique. His mother's love for him is also, something that should not be taken away from him. Here, then, the necklace should represent the love of his parents, the love of his mother for him. And not the power. Through love Mundus had allowed the nelo Angel to accept full control, thus enabling his own demonic power to corrupt Vergil. It is not without benefit that having can be a serious injury to more than just self-esteem as a nelo Angel. As a Black Angel he is indeed safe and sheltered.
The deprivation of thought brings with it a state of being free from stress and heavy tampering, but it is true that it is a doll that pulls the strings. His pride was totally incapable of accepting such a disgrace. Vergil naturally hates and loathes his own human (emotional) cowardice, which is followed by the defeat of his fated rival, Dante.
Dante is not only his brother, but also a formidable rival for the role of "Son of Sparta"; they are twins, both having inherited a part of their father.
In the DMC1 overworld, we all know from the lines that the Devil sees Dante as a Spartan.
Beowulf in DMC3 also outright shouts that Dante is that trash Spartan.
Vergil, then, as the Black Angel, is in fact as defeated by Sparta.
Instead of reaching his desire to surpass his father, he is once again ravaged by demonic forces, the last time even from his revered father's spokesman who is also his fated rival, Dante, and that amounts to his father denying him.
We all know that Vergil admires power, even worships it, as evidenced by his desperate attempts to gain Spartan power in DMC3 and his final battle with Dante in M20: "I need more power." It's obvious.
At the same time, we know from Dante that Vergil is in awe of his father, and this is mentioned earlier in the official publication.
There are generally various reasons that cause people to worship something, but let us not talk about the others here, but rather about the most primitive one. In some television history programmes or within traditional mythology, we can see that the gods worshipped by the ancient people were not the kind of gods that fulfilled human wishes, such as the dragon god, which in some places is the legend that sacrifices had to be arranged regularly every year to be performed, and that if they were not performed then the dragon god would become angry and drown the whole village.
Those who worshipped the dragon god were not thankful that the dragon god had blessed them, but were afraid of his punishment, the fear of being destroyed, and
The people performed rituals for the dragon god to ensure that they were safe. There is, of course, another form of ritual, the act of 'sunning the dragon king', which proves that one has gained more power than the dragon god and psychologically ensures one's safety.
But in either case, the villagers had already suffered a serious disaster, and the fears were deeply rooted in their minds.
Vergil has been ravaged by demonic power so many times that his inner fear of it rightly peaked after DMC1, along with his worship.
But it is also undeniable that demonic power does bring him security to some degree, but it is a security that keeps leaking.
Even when he later took up this thing that hurt him as a weapon, it did not fully rid him of the immense trauma the demonic power had caused him.
The environment in which he lived also did not provide him with a sense of peace, resulting in him also losing the opportunity to reconnect with himself and examine.
So let's talk about something else, his feelings about his mother.
Vergil had many negative thoughts about human nature, even thoughts that Vergil found shameful, as we know.
That he would feel grief over the memory of his mother rather than the comfort of being loved is known from V's conversation with Gryphon inside the game in DMC5.
In his DMC3 profile, he has a similar nostalgia for his human mother, but one that makes him feel human again and evokes a disgust for his own existence. The nostalgia is a feeling of sadness that can never be returned to and cannot be possessed, but is also a feeling of deep sadness, and even more so when he remembers the tragedy of that day, when his own incompetence as a human being led to his mother's death and even to the shameful thought of his desire to be saved, which leads to an uncontrollable hatred.
Whenever Vergil remembers his own mother or, as in VoV, the look of disgust on his mother's face when he sees her picture when V goes to Dante's office, he shows that he cannot control his disgust.
If he simply hated his mother and hated him for abandoning him, he would not have had nostalgic feelings for her, after all, normally we don't hang on to things we hate or even think about things we hate all the time, and V is lying when he crosses the line with Gryphon: "It would be a lie to say I don't want to. But the past ...... has been painful for me", he does miss his mother, and to say that he hates it instead because he can't have it is still something like that, so this hatred and disgust is directed at himself.
Was his mother one of the reasons he was in the mire of power? Yes, but not all. Again, can the event that his mother was attempting to save him that day solve the problem of his addiction to power?
In DMC5 Dante had persuaded Urizen by saying that his mother was looking for him until her death and was trying to save him, and Dante recalls scenes where his mother did go out looking for Vergil calling out his name and then met an untimely end, so in that sense, can we say that it is possible that his mother could have survived if she had not been trying to save Vergil? Wouldn't Dante's statement then be tantamount to blaming Vergil for his mother's death?
Vergil's long suffering, self-blame, self-loathing and self-hatred for not being able to protect his mother, and knowing that she actually died to save him, that it was his own fault that she died, would only make him feel even worse and blame himself even more, and hate himself even more for his inability to do anything about it.
So, sadly it doesn't.
But Vergil loves his mother, and as we learn through the DMC5SE dialogue, Vergil is still afraid of his mother's anger.
So if that's the case, Vergil's wish was that he would live because he knew his mother was dying, and being saved doesn't make Vergil give up his powers, but it's at least a little comforting, based on the full Vergil and not Urizen, of course.
Is Vergil, then, a man who does not love himself?
Dante, who exists as if he were a half-body, is also disgusted by the power-obsessed Vergil.
And Dante and Vergil as demons are the ones who must be combined to be complete, as can be learned in the DMC3 game Arkham Lines.
The fact that they are half-human and half-demon also means that the human part of them is also split in half, and they must chase each other throughout their lives in order to make their humanity whole, rather than being in a state of disfigurement.
我们先来说一下作为维吉尔的恶。
Let's start with the evil of being a Vergil.
名字是一个恶魔的本质,这一点在DMC3漫画被提及。
The name is the essence of a demon, which is mentioned in the DMC3 comic.
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不得不说再次提的是维吉尔这个名字,在神曲中是理性代表。
理性的恶魔到底是一种怎么样的恶魔?
或者说极度理性的人是怎样的人。为什么维吉尔表现的是兽性。
极度理性的人。本身就是极度自私的人。理性主义本身就会诞生功利主义,结果是一切行为目的。这种催生之下,人命就是一个数字,或多或少。
那将会缺乏对他者的同理心与同情心。大脑就像机械一切精准衡量一切的利弊,好谋求利益的最大化。但这种需要吗?也是需要的。但对于人而言,看见便是兽性。
没有道理没有感情可以谈,杀一百人能救人,那就杀,杀一万人能救人,一样杀;就像我们生死居然靠抽签来决定,不管你是贫穷还是富有,是公平了但也是残忍的,是一种如同天灾一样可怕的野兽。
维吉尔他不以拯救人类生命为行动驱动力,而是如同天灾一样,是今天台风就要过来,这场暴雨今天就要下,他是不关心你家里头衣服没收呢,要等收完再下。
这也是维吉尔作为Urizen时候表现出现的属性。一个天灾一样的野兽。
他觉得力量不够就去找力量,就像野兽饿了就去找吃一样自然,而不存在这是人不能吃这个问题,毕竟恶魔本身就存在有吃人的恶魔的这个分支,人类也不会指责一个本身吃人的东西骂他怎么可以吃人呢。
通常情况下人��对自身有益的行为定义为善,对自身有害的行为定义为恶。
但人类的定义善恶只能适用在人类的价值观上与人类自身,而非全部适用在其他生命上,野兽袭击人类与他是否恶毫无关系,你不能判决一个树正常生长对人类存在善恶问题,你也不能指责你家猫咬你不跟你玩跟恶有关系,也没办法说一只老虎袭击人,就是因为他邪恶。
但尤立增他对虐杀人类与玩弄人类,征服世界毫无兴趣,他并不享受这种东西,他行为对于人的世界是自私的,所以人可以称他为恶,但他的行为并非针对折磨人类进行享受。
因为通过杀戮获得快乐,这需要建立有一定知性的生物上,动物的杀戮是基于本能狩猎行为。
而通过杀戮获得快乐则是通过残害生命来愉悦自我。所以享受虐杀与玩弄这种行为,是危险的。这不是一头野兽为了生存或者本能对你的袭击,而是一种针对人类与拥有知性动物的扭曲行为。这是非常原始的疯狂的欲望。
动物狩猎是生存需求,恶魔社会作为丛林社会,遵守野兽本能又仿佛就是天然的正确。
但通过虐杀去享受快感是完全两种产物。现代有很多满足这种需求的游戏,但他们依旧不会做到真的跟现实一模一样。
It has to be mentioned once again that the nameVergil, in the Divine Comedy, is the representative of reason. What kind of demon is a demon of reason? Or what is it like to be extremely rational. WhyVergil is shown to be bestial.
The extremely rational man. Inherently extremely selfish people. Rationalism in itself gives birth to utilitarianism, with the result that all acts aim. Under this kind of doctrine, human life is a number, where numbers are nothing more than addition and subtraction.
By treating human life in this way, there will eventually be a lack of empathy and compassion for the Other. The brain is like a machine that precisely weighs the pros and cons of everything in order to maximise the benefits. But is this necessary? It is needed too. But for man, seeing is the nature of the beast.
There is no reasoning or emotion to talk about; if killing a hundred people saves lives, then kill them, if killing ten thousand saves lives, kill them all the same; just as it is fair that we live and die by lot, whether you are poor or rich, but it is also cruel, a beast as terrible as a natural disaster.
This is the same attribute thatVergil showed when he was Urizen, like a beast of preternatural calamity.
It is as natural for him to seek power when he feels it is not enough as it is for a beast to seek food when it is hungry, and there is no question of this being something that a human cannot eat; after all, demons themselves exist in this branch of demons that eat humans, and humans do not accuse something that is itself a cannibal of scolding how he can eat humans.
Normally humans define good as good and evil as harmful to themselves.
But the human definition of good and evil can only be applied to human values and to human beings themselves, not to all other beings. A beast attacking a human being has nothing to do with whether it is evil or not, nor can you accuse your cat of being evil for biting you and not playing with you, nor can you say that a tiger attacks a human being because he is evil incarnate.
But Urizen he has no interest in torturing humans and playing with them and conquering the world, he does not care for or enjoy the pleasures that come from such things, he acts selfishly towards the world of man, so one can call him evil, but his actions are not directed towards torturing humans for enjoyment.
For to gain pleasure by killing requires the establishment of creatures with a certain amount of sentience; the killing of animals is based on the instinctive act of hunting.
Pleasure through killing, on the other hand, is the pleasure of the self through the mutilation of life. So enjoying the act of sadism and playfulness is dangerous. It is not a beast attacking you for survival or instinct, but a twisted act against human beings and animals with sentience. It is a very primitive and insane desire.
It is a twisted desire to satisfy your own enjoyment of being powerful by crushing, abusing, playing with, and playing with creatures weaker than yourself.
Rationally the same as the abuse of dogs and cats, etc.
Animals hunt as a need for survival, and demon society, as a jungle society, abides by beastly instincts again as if it were the natural right behaviour.
But the enjoyment of pleasure through sadism is a product of two entirely different things. There are many modern games that satisfy this need, but they still don't really do it exactly like reality.
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可以看到DMC3漫画里面维吉尔遭遇恶魔,在谈论快感这个东西。
图上所有词汇,都指向了这个恶魔,享受是杀戮、痛苦、虐待这些东西,这是非常可怕而且危险的恶魔,这个恶魔拥有知性并享受这种扭曲东西,并不是一个目标单纯的野兽。
维吉尔能够享受战斗,但他无法享受杀戮、折磨这些东西带来的快感,他对战斗享受是对于目标靠近与强大对手战斗的喜悦。而关于杀戮给予他通常都是痛苦的回忆,因为杀戮会流血,而他极端厌恶受伤带来的回忆。
蒙杜斯为什么又是最大的邪恶?因为蒙杜斯享受并渴望控制人类,将人类视为玩偶。
并折磨与虐待中获得满足感与成就感。
他的行为完全针对人类来进行的,因为人类会惨叫会痛苦会难受会哀嚎,但你虐待树木、虐待动物也带不了这种。
我想我们在玩DMC这个游戏时候,享受是爽快的战斗、自己就像人物一样无敌、强大;而不是享受击倒敌人之后它们所发出来的痛苦惨叫声,并感受到身心愉悦。
维吉尔自切也并非针对折磨人类。
针对自身的人性部分跟想要与弟弟一决胜负与渴望毁灭、折磨人类是两回事。
是自切掉人性之后,他的恶魔面不受人性控制的原始行为给人类世界带来了毁灭性。
一个是跟随本能去追求力量的野兽,一个是让你求生不得求死不能的并热衷折磨你的真正恶魔。
我们可以VoV与DMC5过场动画可以看出来,维吉尔最初的目的就是,将恶魔部分切出去然后去与但丁一决胜负。但Urizen偏偏没有马上去找但丁,甚至在那边与恶魔争果子,几乎对力量以外东西完全不感兴趣,Urizen就坐在那里等待果子成熟,让我们有一种错觉Urizen如果不是因为但丁找上门,它可以在那里坐到天荒地老,甚至说出斯巴达之刃已经没有用的台词,所有行为都不是等待已久的对手总于来,我要击败你;而是对手排在力量后面。
但维吉尔回来的目的就是为了但丁,这变成本末倒置。
当时维吉尔当时情绪并不是稳定的(DMC5结局之前),他情感非常丰富,而这样感情丰富的他,在遭遇DMC3又到DMC1各种打击与折磨,又偏偏拿回来了掌握人类与魔界之间钥匙的阎魔刀,并再次为之孤注一掷。如果这刀仅仅只能将人与魔分开那姑且尚好,他也仅仅只想与自己弟弟再战一次,但这把刀是人类与魔界之间的钥匙,那么本来只是一个简单的愿望就变成巨大的麻烦与灾难。
就同如果你给孩子一个核弹按钮,他按下那一刻真的可能仅仅是因为好玩。
同样你永远无法知道一个情绪失控的人能够做出多么疯狂的事情。
当然,我不是在洗白什么,门就是Urizen打开的,Urizen是维吉尔做出的选择才会出现的。
维吉尔最大恶就是他的自私,他为了自己目的而行动,但他的行为其实没有顾忌跟考虑周围无辜的人类,他像恶魔一样自私自利行动,而不顾及他人。
用日常刑事案件常见的疑问来表达就是:怎么可以为了钱杀人呢?怎么可以为了利益杀人呢?怎么可以为了感情就杀人呢?怎么可以为了点东西就发动战争呢?怎么可以为了利益就破坏环境呢?怎么可以为了利益就提价呢?
但如果自私是一种罪,那恐怕全人类难逃一死吧。
同样拥有如此丰富感情的人,已经不能成为一个单纯的恶魔了,而维吉尔行为又更像恶魔。
这仿佛让他变得的异常矛盾:最像人的恶魔和最像恶魔的人。
当然如果参考对象是人类的历史,这好像也并不矛盾,在战争中,人是恶魔亦是人。
在战争中参与厮杀的人其实也在残杀同类,可以称为恶魔一样的行为,只为自己立场上的利益就对同类痛下杀手;那些战场上的人不论敌我,他们都是有父母的活生生人活生生的生命。
甚至在二战时期,兄弟姐妹在战争上互相残杀也不过家常便饭。
但这里并不是说杀戮这种行为是正确的,而是想要说这不正确,但人类的历史往往就是如此一再重复。
关心别人拯救世界是人类,为了利益对自己同类痛下杀手,甚至为了享乐对某种动物进行过种族灭绝行为也是人类。人是复杂的,是神与魔的混合体,成神成魔都在人的一念之间。
You can see the DMC3 comic where Vergil encounters the demon and talks about the pleasure thing.
All the words on the picture, point to this demon, enjoyment is killing, pain, abuse and these things, this is very scary and dangerous demon, this demon has sentience and enjoys such twisted things, not a beast with a simple goal.
Vergil can enjoy fighting, but he cannot enjoy the pleasure of killing or torturing, his enjoyment of fighting is the joy of being close to his goal and fighting a powerful opponent. And about killing gives him usually painful memories, because killing bleeds, and he has an extreme aversion to the memories that come with being wounded.
Why is Mundus again the greatest of evils? Because Mundus enjoys and desires to control human beings, to see them as dolls.
He enjoys and desires to control humans, to see them as dolls, and to gain satisfaction and fulfilment from torturing and abusing them.
His actions are directed entirely at humans because humans scream and suffer and wail, but you can't bring that from abusing trees or animals.
I think what we enjoy when we play DMC is the pleasure of fighting and being as invincible and powerful as the characters; not the physical and mental pleasure of the painful screams they make after knocking down an enemy.
Nor is Vergil's self-cutting aimed at torturing humans.
The desire to fight his brother and the desire to destroy and torture humans are two different things.
It is the primal behaviour of his demonic side, uncontrolled by his humanity, that has devastated the human world since he cut himself off.
One is a beast that follows its instincts in the pursuit of power, the other is a true demon that leaves you begging for life and death and is keen to torment you.
As we can see from the VoV and DMC5 overworld animations, Vergil's initial aim is to cut out the demon part and then go for a fight with Dante. But instead of going to Dante right away and even fighting the demon over there for the fruit, almost completely uninterested in anything other than power, Urizen just sits there waiting for the fruit to ripen, giving us the illusion that Urizen could sit there until the end of time if it wasn't for Dante coming to the door, even uttering the line that the Spartan blade is no longer useful, all actions that are not waiting The long-awaited adversary always comes, and I will defeat you; rather, the adversary ranks behind the power.
But Vergil's return for the purpose of Dante becomes putting the cart before the horse.
Vergil was not emotionally stable at the time (before the end of DMC5), he was very emotional, and this emotional man, after all the blows and torments of DMC3 and then DMC1, came back with the Yama sword, which holds the key between the human and the demon worlds, and again threw himself at it. If the sword could only separate humans from demons, that would be fine, and he would only want to fight his brother once more, but this sword is the key between humans and demons, so what was a simple wish becomes a huge problem and disaster.
Just as if you give a child a nuclear bomb button, he may really push it just for the fun of it.
In the same way you can never know how crazy an emotionally disturbed person can be.
Of course, I'm not washing my hands of anything, the door was opened by Urizen, and Urizen came into existence because of the choices Vergil made.
Vergil's greatest evil is his selfishness, he acts for his own ends, but his actions are not really scrupulous or considerate of the innocent humans around him, he acts like a demon selfishly and without regard for others.
He acted like a demon, selfishly and without regard for others. The common question in everyday criminal cases is: How can one kill for money? How can one kill for profit? How can one kill for the sake of feelings? How can you start a war over something? How can you destroy the environment for the sake of profit? How can you raise prices for the sake of profit?
But if selfishness is a sin, then I am afraid that all mankind will not escape death.
The same man who has such a wealth of emotion can no longer be a mere demon, and Vergil acts more like one.
It is as if this makes him an extraordinary contradiction: the most human-like of demons and the most demon-like of men.
Of course, if the reference is to the history of mankind, this does not seem to be a contradiction, for in war, man is both a demon and a man.
Those who fight in war actually kill their own kind, in what might be called demonic acts, killing them for the sake of their own position; those who fight on the battlefield, whether they are enemies or not, are living, breathing human beings with parents.
Even in the Second World War, it was not uncommon for brothers and sisters to kill each other in war.
But this is not to say that the act of killing is right, it is to say that it is not right, but this is how human history tends to repeat itself over and over again.
It is human to care for others to save the world, it is human to kill one's own kind for profit, and it is human to commit genocide against an animal for pleasure. Man is complex, a mixture of god and devil, and it is up to him to become a god or a devil.
关于Urizen的象征。
About the symbol of Urizen.
A Poison Tree
I was angry with my friend:
I told my wrath, my wrath did end.
I was angry with my foe:
I told it not, my wrath did grow.
And I watered it in fears,
Night and morning with my tears;
And I sunned it with smiles,
And with soft deceitful wiles.
And it grew both day and night,
Till it bore an apple bright.
And my foe beheld it shine.
And he knew that it was mine,
And into my garden stole
When the night had veiled the pole;
In the morning glad I see
My foe outstretched beneath the tree.
与友人心存气恼
我一吐为快, 怒火随之熄灭
对敌人怀揣愤懑
我一言不发, 恼怒却生根发芽
从此, 不分昼夜
忧��中我用泪水浇灌它
我的笑容和狡黠
是它明媚的阳光
它日夜不停茁壮成长
直到结出一颗鲜艳的苹果
我的敌人眼见它亮丽四射
明知它的主人就是我
但他却在夜幕笼罩下
偷偷地潜入我的花园
清晨, 看到敌人挺直地倒在树下
我心中暗喜
这是一首描述了谋杀的诗歌,也是DMC5开场时候展示诗歌。
他表达的是人对感情不忠诚,一种虚伪的善良。对朋友愤怒表达了,愤怒就结束了。但他对敌人仇恨却不表示,愤怒便在内心种下种子,这棵树本身就是感觉具象化。
首先对于布莱���神话体系中,作为理性代表的Urizen控制人们,绑架人们,一个以自我为中心父亲的角色作为庭院主人,这首诗歌参考的是圣经中人类偷食禁果的那一章。
Urizen在DMC5这个故事中,在维吉尔的故事里面,是一个怎样的角色呢?
我们可以在Urizen的一个设计稿中,得到一个非常直白的设计思路。
This is a poem that describes murder and is also the poem displayed at the opening of DMC5.
He expresses the unfaithfulness of man to his feelings, a kind of hypocritical kindness. Anger towards a friend is expressed, and the anger ends. But his hatred for his enemies is not expressed, and anger is then planted within, the tree itself being the feeling embodied.
Firstly for the Blakean mythological system of Urizen as a representative of reason controlling people and kidnapping them, a self-centred father figure as master of the courtyard, the poem references the biblical chapter in which man steals the forbidden fruit.
What is Urizen's role in the story of DMC5, within the story of Vergil?
We can get a very straightforward design idea in one of Urizen's design drafts.
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黑天使在一代就是作为父亲的象征。
这个设计稿是直接写上斯巴达与黑天使。是的,对于维吉尔而言。恶魔是父亲,父亲又是恶魔力量的代表。Urizen也称呼自己为没有名字,只是力量。
同样斯巴达作为神明被崇拜。恶魔视斯巴达为叛徒,人类不可能接纳恶魔,却又视斯巴达为救世主,认为拯救他们是理所当然的事。斯巴达不止是恶魔,更是一种身份的称呼。
回到这首诗歌上,这个庭院是属于上帝的,这个果树也是上帝种下的。这里上帝是Urizen。
那么故事里面的上帝是吗?
Urizen在游戏里面有一个称号【魔界的反逆王】英文给翻译是uprising,中文可以翻译为暴动、起义,在客观层面上来说,Urizen的确引发变革,取代了蒙杜斯的魔界地位,并拿走本来属于蒙杜斯的果子吧,某个意义上来说是新铁序的来临。
The nleo Angel was in the generation as a symbol of the father.
This design is written directly on the Spartan with the Black Angel. Yes, for Vergil. The demon is the father, who in turn is the representative of demonic power. urizen also calls himself no name, just power.
Likewise Sparta is worshipped as a god. The demons see Sparta as a traitor, and it is impossible for humans to accept demons, yet they see Sparta as a saviour and take it for granted that they will be saved. Sparta is more than a demon, it is a designation of identity.
Returning to this verse, this courtyard belongs to God, and this fruit tree was planted by God. Here God is Urizen.
So is God inside the story?
Urizen has a title in the game [Rebel King of the Demon Realm], which in English translates as uprising, which in Chinese can be translated as rioting, uprising. On an objective level, Urizen does trigger a change, replacing Mundus in the Demon Realm and taking away the fruit that belonged to Mundus, in a sense the coming of a new iron order.
We can check the documentation that the tree exists in its own right and is present in the magical realm, bearing fruit once every two thousand years.
我们可以查询到文档里面,这棵树是本身就存在的,而且存在在魔界的,两千年结果一次。
We can check inside the document that the tree exists in itself and exists in the magical realm, with results once every two thousand years.
但这棵树是由人血来灌溉而来。
那么整个诗歌让故事的人与魔微妙了起来,这个庭院应该是属于恶魔,但灌溉这个树的是人。
我们回到故事中,分裂的状态的维吉尔,V对Urizen的态度。
V对Urizen态度非常明显,他对Urizen的行为极度厌恶,但他喜欢Urizen,他喜欢只是Urizen强大力量的欣赏。维吉尔在故事里面没有明确或者非常直接的情绪表达他对恶魔是否抱有极度的憎恨或者厌恶情绪。即使在DMC3漫画里面,阿卡姆与他第一次相遇所说那段对话也与此无关,也存在因为恶魔力量而被吸引所陶醉的人。
V的敌人是Urizen,他的敌人的确吃下那颗果子并最终战败倒于树下,而他为之欣喜。
这个有毒的果子,代表的是V自己的怨恨,与自己因为恶魔而流血所受到伤害所产生厌恶,最终滋养结成的果实。而Urizen极具象征意义的代表性,也表达维吉尔对于父亲另一种态度。产生这样的心情是他一直压抑已久,对自己受到伤害闭口不谈的缘故,愤怒日积月累的存在。
那么我们也是不是可以说,维吉尔对于父亲的爱,是一种对幻影和空想的爱呢?
在很多衍生产品甚至DMC3里面但丁都用父亲来规劝维吉尔,像:斯巴达也如何如何吧,所以……
但维吉尔最终行动完全不按照所谓的斯巴达如何来的。
而但丁依旧要认为维吉尔沉迷父亲,不过这在这里并不重要。
所以,我想也可以那么说的。
V从不喜欢恶魔,他说他喜欢,他的喜欢是对力量的垂爱,是对力量的功利性。
But the tree is irrigated by human blood.
The whole poem then makes the story subtle between man and demon; this courtyard is supposed to belong to the demon, but it is man who irrigates this tree.
We return to the story, the divided state of Vergil, to V's attitude towards Urizen.
V's attitude towards Urizen is very clear, he is extremely disgusted by Urizen's behaviour, but he likes Urizen, he likes just the appreciation of Urizen's great power. Vergil has no clear or very direct emotion within the story to express whether he holds extreme hatred or disgust for the demon. Even within the DMC3 comic, the conversation that Arkham speaks of in his first encounter has nothing to do with this, and there exists people who are intoxicated by the attraction because of the demon's power.
V's enemy is Urizen, and his enemy does eat the fruit and eventually falls under the tree in defeat, and he rejoices in it.
This poisonous fruit is the fruit of V's own resentment and disgust at the harm he has suffered as a result of the demon's bloodshed, which eventually nourishes the fruit. The symbolic representation of Urizen is another expression of Vergil's attitude towards his father. It is the result of a long repression of his feelings, of his silence about the harm he has suffered, of the anger that has been building up over time.
So can we also say that Virgil's love for his father is a love for phantoms and empty dreams?
In many spin-offs and even in DMC3 Dante uses his father to admonish Vergil, like: how about Spartan too, so ......
But Virgil ends up acting not at all according to the so-called Spartan how-to.
And Dante still has to think that Vergil is obsessed with his father, but that doesn't matter here.
So, I guess it could be said that way.
V never liked demons, he said he did, and his liking was a droopy love of power, a utilitarian love of power.
现在让我们看Urizen对V的态度。
V角度看待Urizen大体上已经知道了。
那么Urizen怎么看待V的呢?对他而言是再明显不过的讨厌。
这是一个导致他虚弱而不是让能够完善自己的存在,是他蔑视属于自己的软弱部分。
Urizen不会受到感情的困惑,因为这些东西他根本不需要,自然也就没有。在DMC5中Urizen台词:“我对这个地方没有记忆。这只是果实制造出来的幻象。”
而在DMC3,但丁曾对维吉尔说过这样的台词:“我没有父亲。”同样也意味着,我不需要父亲,他明明是有父亲的,但是他在这里表现出否认的态度。
我们多多少少应该都有过忘记的经历,像忘了带笔忘了带书出门等等,当我们发现自己忘记的时候恰好就是我们发现我们需要这个东西,而自己却没有的那一刻,心情必然是懊恼中存在着懊悔的感情。
所如果我们记得那就是我们所需要的东西,如果我们不记得那就是意味着他不需要存在,不记得的东西自然不感兴趣。
所以Urizen说的不记得,不但表达他没有这方面的记忆,也包含了不需要的意思。就像V还残留魔力一样,Urizen也是存在记忆的,但这些是属于身体记忆,与作为人性(V)意义是完全不同的。
可以说,Urizen某个程度是理想中有几率战胜自己弟弟的自己,拥有强大身躯不再被人性(记忆、感情、道德)所束缚着,纯正的毫无感情的野兽一样的恶魔。
Let us now look at Urizen's attitude towards V.
The V perspective on Urizen is largely known.
So what does Urizen think of V? It could not be more obvious to him that he hates it.
It is a being that causes him to be weak rather than allowing for the ability to perfect himself, a weak part that he scorns as belonging to himself.
Urizen is not confused by feelings because they are things he simply does not need and naturally does not have. Urizen's lines in DMC5: "I have no memory of this place. It's just an illusion created by the fruit."
And in DMC3, Dante had said the line to Virgil, "I have no father." The same implies that I don't need a father, which he clearly has, but he's showing denial here.
We have all forgotten at one time or another, forgotten pens, forgotten books, etc., and the moment we find ourselves forgetting is the moment we realise that we need the thing and we don't have it, and the feeling of remorse is inevitably present in the form of anguish.
So if we remember it is what we need, if we don't remember it means that it doesn't need to exist, and what we don't remember is naturally of no interest.
So when Urizen says he does not remember, he not only expresses that he has no memory of it, but also contains the idea that it is not needed. Just as V still has residual magical powers, Urizen also has memories, but these are physical memories, which are quite different from the meaning of being human (V).
It could be said that Urizen is, to some extent, the ideal self that has the chance of defeating his brother, a demon with a powerful body no longer bound by humanity (memories, feelings, morals), a pure, emotionless beast.
那么我们现在可以提出一个问题,维吉尔是否是一个不自爱的人?
So we can now ask the question, is Vergil an unself-loving person?
V与Urizen互相厌恶,证明作为本体的维吉尔是完全不自爱,是自我憎恨的自我厌恶的。
Urizen作为恶魔力量与父亲的象征,厌恶着作为人类与孩子代表的V,同样V也厌恶象征父亲与恶魔力量Urizen的行为,两者是如此极端又如此撕裂。
而官方漫画中会直接告诉你,V代表的其实是维吉尔的心,Urizen则是力量。
结合到故事里面情况,V并不会像正常人类那样死亡,而是变成灰一样的情况,他是维吉尔人性/心,而人类的人性是人的情感、记忆、思想的混合体。而人性是需要肉体作为载体的,这个载体,换而言之就是Urizen是维吉尔的肉体,肉体与心灵处于分裂状态,虽然精神已经离开,而肉体还在苟活着。
维吉尔(V)从来没有表达过对恶魔的憎恨,但维吉尔表达过对自己弟弟的愤怒。
在表面上,维吉尔要战胜的对象是但丁,但维吉尔还有一个内心最深处从没表达过敌人,则是Urizen。Urizen与V之间战斗是与自我厌恶做斗争,最终融合也是对自我的和解。
但同样Urizen跟V无法完全单独代表作为整体的维吉尔。
Urizen的行为有些是维吉尔绝对不会做的,V有些想法也是维吉尔绝对不会透露的。
维吉尔虽然喜欢力量,但不是所有力量都可以接受,他也会挑嘴来,我们可否还记得DMC4维吉尔过场中的一句台词:“他们将恶魔视为神明?……嗯,我不能说他们误入歧途,但他们很快就会见识到这份恶魔力量,这份强大到他们无法想象,这份斯巴达之子的力量。”
而V有着维吉尔自己都在否定的情绪与懦弱的想法,这是他不想被人知道。
如果只在乎Urizen是维吉尔,则不在乎V作为维吉尔内心感想、情绪、痛苦、悔恨等等,如果只在意V的话,那么就忽视了Urizen的行为对人类而言的错误性。
Urizen作为维吉尔一个组成部分,体现的也正是维吉尔性格中傲慢与叛逆那一部分,或者说Urizen最像维吉尔的地方让人感觉到他就是维吉尔不完全的本身,除了力量沉迷之外,就是M17兄弟之战时候,他才表现好像残留那么一点点的人性像是维吉尔的样子,让人觉得他好像有记忆他都记的。但我们也必须清晰的认识到,维吉尔的行为对于人类而言是不对的,是不可取的。
无论漫画、小说、还是游戏内,没有任何一点对于维吉尔行为给人带来的伤害是处于肯定的,肯定过是维吉尔的不屈的精神而不是行为。
人一旦无法自爱,前往极端那就是自我伤害,而一个无法自爱的人是无法去爱其他人的,更不会是顾忌其他人。
The fact that V and Urizen loathe each other proves that Vergil as an essence is totally unloving and self-hating self-loathing.
Urizen, as the symbol of demonic power and fatherhood, loathes V as the representative of humanity and children, and likewise V loathes the actions of Urizen, the symbol of fatherhood and demonic power, both so extreme and so torn.
The official manga will tell you straight away that V actually represents Vergil's heart and Urizen is the power.
Combined with the situation inside the story, V doesn't die like a normal human, but turns into an ash-like situation; he is Vergil's humanity/heart, and human humanity is a mixture of human emotions, memories, and thoughts. And human nature requires a physical body as a vehicle, and this vehicle, in other words Urizen, is Vergil's physical body, which is in a split state from the mind, although the spirit has left while the physical body is still lingering.
Vergil (V) never expresses his hatred of demons, but Vergil expresses his anger at his brother.
On the surface, Vergil's defeat is against Dante, but Vergil also has an enemy he has never expressed in his innermost being, Urizen, whose battle with V is a struggle against self-loathing, and whose ultimate fusion is a reconciliation of the self.
But again, Urizen and V cannot fully represent Vergil as a whole on their own.
Urizen acts in ways that Vergil would never do, and V thinks in ways that Vergil would never reveal.
Vergil likes power but not all power is acceptable and he picks his words, can we remember a line from the DMC4 Vergil over scene: "They see demons as gods? ...... Well, I can't say they're misguided, but they'll soon see this demonic power, this power so strong they can't imagine it, this power of the sons of Sparta."
And V has emotions and cowardly thoughts that Vergil himself is in denial about, which he doesn't want to be known for.
If one cares only that Urizen is Vergil, one does not care about V's inner feelings, emotions, pain, remorse, etc., as Vergil, and if one cares only about V's words, then one ignores the wrongness of Urizen's actions as far as humanity is concerned.
Urizen, as an integral part of Vergil, embodies that part of Vergil's character that is arrogant and rebellious, or rather the part of Urizen that is most like Vergil feels like he is Vergil in his incomplete self, except for his power obsession, and it is only during the battle of the M17 brothers that he acts as if a little bit of his humanity remains like Vergil, making it seem as if he has memories that he remembers. But we must also clearly understand that Vergil's behaviour is wrong and undesirable for humanity.
At no point in the comic, the novel, or within the game is there any affirmation of the harm Vergil's actions have caused to people; it is Vergil's unyielding spirit that is affirmed rather than his actions.
Once a person is incapable of self-love, going to the extreme is self-harm, and a person who is incapable of self-love is incapable of loving others, much less caring for them.
而关于维吉尔为什么还在做当年的事情?
And about why Vergil is still doing what he did back then?
在DMC3的设定图有一行关于维吉尔结局的解说:维吉尔的故事的开始。
是的,这个人的故事才开始。
那之后他的遭遇到dmc5开场之前其实就是:被打败、被洗脑、被折磨、带着残破身体不知道怎么活下来。那么在这种状态的人,是不可能突然觉醒出现:啊!我应该保护人类!
就像你现在得病非常痛苦,你一般也不会突然想都怪没我做善事,而是更多会想,这个医药费怎么那么贵。当然如果你有宗教信仰,那属于非一般情况了。
要是有个人在旁边叽叽哇哇又不帮忙,平时说你都不听吃吃吃,你看你现在可好了。那大几率你出现不会是,痛哭流涕我错了,而是知道我错了但你好烦。有些情况你会越想越生气。
当然我个人认为维吉尔还是占反派的优势,因为反派可以表现比主角的行为不正确,但情感更加丰富而多样,可以堕落、可以颓废、可以不正确更多呈现人性的复杂。
主角毕竟还是承担故事里面超人这个义务的。
In the DMC3 setting art there is a line of commentary about Vergil's ending: the beginning of Vergil's story.
Yes, the man's story has only just begun.
What happens to him after that up until the opening of DMC5 is actually: defeated, brainwashed, tortured, and left with a broken body with no idea how he survived. It is impossible then for someone in that state to suddenly awaken and appear, "Ah! I should protect humanity!" Such a consciousness would not have been possible.
Dante's lines with Vergil before DMC5 do not mention anything about protecting humans in order to become strong or protecting important things in order to become strong, and the lines in DMC3 say that he believes in inheriting the spirit of Sparta, but there is no complete statement of what this spirit is, so this spirit has been speculated to be about protecting humans, protecting the weak and protecting important things.
Of course I personally think that Vergil still has the advantage of the villain, because the villain can behave incorrectly than the protagonist, but with more rich and varied emotions, can be depraved, can be decadent and can incorrectly present more of the complexity of human nature.
The protagonist, after all, still takes on the obligation of being Superman within the story.
人追求像上帝一样完美,亦寻求像恶魔一样的堕落,这也是人心理需求的一种状态。
当上帝教条绑住人,使得人受着精神上的痛苦时,人反而会走向堕落而非继续升华自己。
Urizen是天堂也是地狱,V在天堂也在地狱,这是一个人体内两个情况,也是人复杂的表现。
爱恨,享乐与物欲,在真、善、美与假、恶、丑的比照中。
我们可以感受到,尘世生活中一切并非尽善尽美,与其对立面也不是具有天然的鸿沟。
人毕竟是再平凡不过的,具有七情六欲的生活者,是既���大又渺小得可怜,任何微弱的自然界的风浪,抑或人们自我的争斗,都会使他们自己有限的知识、体力难以承受这些考验,更不用说道德、情感、以及理想的沦落了。当然,物欲亦是人类自身最经不起时间和意志考验的脆弱之点了。
从人类自身而言,缺陷是无时无刻存在的。
但就另一方面来说,如果没有以上种种矛盾的对比现实生活也许就不是千姿百态,而变成索然寡味的一潭死水。那便是人人喊打的虚假乌托邦,人从根本失去了自由,成为一个个索然无味的复制品,同一个思想同一套模式,这样得多无聊啊。
这样毫无进步的社会迟早被遗弃。
同时,人自身及其缺陷也是在压力和苦难中得到某种磨砺和修补。当然这个前提,人必须审视自身,去认识自我。
故事中维吉尔通过剖开自我,从心(V)里面认识到自身的行为(Urizen)是怎么一番模样,在DMC5开场中一直认为自己是力量不足才导致悲剧的发生,从Urizen身上意识到这不是力量不够的问题。他在不断厌恶Urizen的行为中意识到自己的错误,随着剧情发展,死亡的逼近,在崩溃之下透露的真心话对他人的坦诚与对过去的释怀,也都走完一段自我完善的道路。
最终合体那一刻,他最终获得与自我和解的结局,他终于可以也学会爱自己,那个以丑陋面目追求力量抛弃一切的自己,也是自己的一部分。他从来不是一个好人,也不是一个什么在其他方面显得高尚的人,他真切渴望想要力量想要变强,他没有继承过这种东西也没去想继承什么斯巴达精神。那一天想去回家拯救自己父母与兄弟行为与想法,对于年幼孩子而言,这毫无疑问是拥有着高尚的人性光辉。但这也是他的人生,也渴望能够彻底战胜一次自己的兄弟,而不是去否定这一切,企图当成从没发生过也没有存在过,而是肯定这一切确实是存在,即使现实并不是那么美好。
即使这满地的鲜血中,也有想要去肯定是存在的事实,不会去否认这一切并非自己所为,也不会去逃避这一切与他无关的事物,无论人生是否拥有成就,他也确实存在着,在经历这一切之后依旧心怀对美好怀有希望。
V理解了U,U也渴望着V。他已经认识了自我,并从中审视了自我,从死亡中得到跃升,从诅咒中拯救了自己,并爱着自己。无论母亲的还是父亲的诅咒都无法再对他生效,他最终从童年的阴影中挣脱出来,重获新生。
毕竟他是要与弟弟再决斗一次才能从地狱回来,即使要砍树要关门,按顺序要排在与但丁决战之后的,他确实希望解决与但丁之间的那些问题,但我们也可以从DMC5过场中看到维吉尔复活之后的转变,比如他恢复本体之后对尼禄的道谢,在M20尼禄出现时他的态度变化。
那是一种比较尴尬情况,如果要打但丁我们则会发现,尼禄与他战斗,但丁会出面阻止尼禄战斗;如果但丁继续要与他战斗,那就进入尼禄会去与但丁战斗的可能。如果是以前的维吉尔,那应该会非常死脑筋坚持继续与但丁战斗,但m20维吉尔台词表现态度却是:既然都是要打败但丁,那尼禄代打也未尝不可。
当然在尼禄来之前,兄弟胜负是死亡还是存活,谁他不知道,但他接受死亡是一种结束,无论人生有没有意义、输或赢在死后一切将变得不再重要。
他思想从激烈自我斗争中归于和平,从迷途重新返回,肉体方面的堕落给予他精神上的进化。这也是互相分裂又统一的理论,与我们之前提到的阴影理论是一致的。
阴影、黑暗、另一个黑暗双胞胎、另一个我。这是生命力的源头,是创造力的源头,也是自我厌恶但又无法缺失那一部分。没有对立就没有进步,吸引与排斥,理性与力量,爱与恨是人类生存所必不可少的。
维吉尔他的旅途从来都是苦难,没有一丝值得观看的风景。但他清醒过来了,他救了自己并建造了天堂。你甚至可以看到DMC5结尾中出现的地狱与任何一作出现过地狱都完全不同的。
而在神曲里面,但丁也是在白色蔷薇花或者说白色植物之中,看见了上帝。
在DMC5中安排这个城市,也是他出生地方,在这里他放下了曾经挣扎过、强求过、渴望过、怨恨过、爱过的一切,回去他来的地方,迎接他这趟叛逆的惩罚,永无止境战斗着。
It is a state of psychological need for man to seek God-like perfection and devil-like depravity.
When God's dogma binds man and makes him suffer spiritually, he will instead fall rather than continue to elevate himself.
Urizen is both heaven and hell, V in heaven and hell, two situations within one person, and a manifestation of the complexity of man.
Love and hate, hedonism and materialism, in the contrast between the true, the good and the beautiful and the false, the evil and the ugly.
We can feel that everything in earthly life is not perfect, nor is there a natural divide between its opposites.
After all, human beings are no more than ordinary human beings, and those who live with their seven passions and desires are both great and pitifully small. Any feeble storm of nature, or the struggle of people themselves, will make it difficult for their own limited knowledge and physical strength to withstand these tests, not to mention the fall of morals, emotions and ideals. Of course, materialism is also the weakest point of human beings themselves, which cannot stand the test of time and will.
In human terms, flaws are always present.
But on the other hand, without the contradictions mentioned above, life would not be so varied, but would be a pool of stagnant water. It would be a false utopia that everyone would be crying out for, where people would lose their freedom and become tasteless replicas of the same idea and the same model.
A society without progress would sooner or later be abandoned.
At the same time, man himself and his defects are sharpened and repaired by stress and suffering. Of course, this presupposes that one must look at oneself and get to know oneself.
In the story, Vergil is able to cut himself open and realise from his heart (V) what his own behaviour (Urizen) is like, and in the opening scene of DMC5 he thinks that his lack of strength is the cause of the tragedy. He realises the error of his ways as he continues to loathe Urizen's actions, and as the plot progresses and death approaches, the honesty he reveals under his breakdown to others and the release of his past, both complete a path of self-improvement.
The final moment of merging, the moment he finally gets to the end of his reconciliation with himself, the moment he can finally learn to love himself too, the self that threw away everything in the pursuit of power with an ugly face, is also a part of himself. He was never a good man, nor was he a noble man in any other way, he really wanted to be powerful and strong, he didn't inherit such a thing and he didn't try to inherit the Spartan spirit. The idea of going home that day to save his parents and brothers was, no doubt, a noble human act for a young child. But it was also his life, and the desire to overcome his brother once and for all, not to deny it all, to try to pretend it never happened or existed, but to affirm that it did exist, even if the reality was not so beautiful.
Even in the midst of all this blood, there is a desire to affirm the fact that it exists, not to deny that it is not his own doing, not to run away from what is not his business, that he does exist, whether he has achieved anything in life or not, and that after all this he still has hope for the good.
V understands U and U desires V. He has come to know himself, has looked at himself, has taken the leap from death, has saved himself from the curse, and loves himself. Neither his mother's nor his father's curse can take effect on him any longer, and he finally breaks free from the shadows of his childhood and regains his life.
After all, he was to fight another duel with his brother to return from hell, even if he had to cut down a tree and close a door, which in order would have to come after the duel with Dante, and he did want to resolve those issues with Dante, but we can also see the transformation of Vergil after his resurrection in the DMC5 overture, such as his thanks to Nero after he regains his true form and his change of attitude when Nero appears in M20.
That is a rather awkward situation, if we were to fight Dante we would then find that Nero fights him and Dante would step in to stop Nero from fighting; if Dante continues to want to fight him, then enter the possibility that Nero would go and fight Dante. If it had been the old Vergil, that would have been very deadly insistent on continuing to fight Dante, but the m20 Vergil lines show the attitude that since it's all about defeating Dante, it's not a bad idea for Nero to fight instead.
Of course before Nero comes, the brother wins or loses whether he dies or survives, who he does not know, but he accepts that death is a kind of end, whether life has no meaning, loses or wins after death everything will become unimportant.
His mind returns to peace from the fierce struggle of the ego, from the lost way, the physical aspect of his fall giving him a spiritual evolution. This is also the theory of mutual division and unity, which is in line with the theory of shadows we mentioned earlier.
The shadow, the darkness, the other dark twin, the other I. This is the source of the life force, the source of creativity, and the part of the self that is loathed but cannot be missing. There can be no progress without opposition, attraction and repulsion, reason and power, love and hate are essential to human existence.
Vergil's journey was never one of suffering, without a glimpse of the landscape worth watching. But he came to his senses, he saved himself and built heaven. You can even see that the Hell that appears in the end of DMC5 is completely different from any other where Hell has appeared.
And in the Divine Comedy, Dante also sees God among the white rosebuds or white plants.
In DMC5 arranges this city, the place where he was born, where he lets go of everything he once struggled with, forced, longed for, resented and loved, and goes back to where he came from to meet the punishment of his rebellion on this trip, fighting forever.
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Chapter 2, part 3
三 兄如严父 Sān xiōng rú yán fù Three Older brother that’s like a strict father
[???] 阿符-- Ā fú-- Ah Fu--
[???] 抱歉, 请问你们有没有见过阿符...一位帽檐倾斜角度约15°的年轻警官? Bàoqiàn, qǐngwèn nǐmen yǒu méiyǒu jiànguò ā fú... Yī wèi màoyán qīngxié jiǎodù yuē 15°de niánqīng jǐngguān? Apologies, have any of you seen Ah Fu... A young police officer with a brim hat tilted at a 15° angle?
[Player] 徳州! 是你-- Dé zhōu! Shì nǐ-- De Zhou! It’s you--
[Narration] 德州 pá 鸡露出讶异的神色‥‥‥ Dézhōu pá jī lùchū yà yì de shénsè‥‥‥ De Zhou Pa Ji shows a surprised expression...
[德州扒鸡] 小姐您认得我吗? 我们曾经见过? Xiǎojiě nín rèndé wǒ ma? Wǒmen céngjīng jiànguò? Young lady, do you recognize me? Have we met before?
德州扒鸡 [文武双绝 模范警官] 奔走于津浦线的铁路警官 飞鸟徽章乃天下第一的象征 荷叶颈饰是涎生时的纪念 浑身闪耀理科生的严谨光辉 Dézhōu pá jī wénwǔ shuāng jué mófàn jǐngguān bēnzǒu yú jīnpǔ xiàn de tiělù jǐngguān fēiniǎo huīzhāng nǎi tiānxià dì yī de xiàngzhēng hé yè jǐng shì shì xián shēng shí de jìniàn húnshēn shǎnyào lǐkē shēng de yánjǐn guānghuī De Zhou Braised Chicken [Absolute in civil and military, an exemplary police officer] A railway police officer that rushes about the Jin Pu line The soaring bird crest is the emblem that’s number one under the heavens The lotus leaf necklace is a commemoration of the salivating time of birth Radiates from head to toe the magnificent strictness of a science type student ((?????))
[Player] 我们曾经有过交集, 或许你已经不太记得了……不过, 没关系。 Wǒmen céngjīng yǒuguò jiāojí, huòxǔ nǐ yǐjīng bù tài jìdéliǎo……bùguò, méiguānxì. We crossed paths before, maybe you don’t remember it that well....no matter, it’s not important.
[Player] 我叫[Player], 从空桑而来。 不知你对 “空桑”这个名字有没有印象? Wǒ jiào [Player], cóng kōng sāng ér lái. Bùzhī nǐ duì “kōng sāng” zhège míngzì yǒu méiyǒu yìnxiàng? I’m [Player], and I came from Kong Sang. I’m not sure if you have any impression towards the name "Kong Sang"?
[德州扒鸡] 空桑....莫非是那三界交汇之处的美食圣地? 我原以为那只是个���说.... Kōng sāng.... M��fēi shì nà sānjiè jiāohuì zhī chǔ dì měishí shèngdì? Wǒ yuán yǐwéi nà zhǐshì gè chuánshuō.... Kong Sang... Could it be that sacred land of culinary delicacies at the intersection of the three realms? I thought it was just a legend...
[Player] 你知道空桑? 太好了! 我是空桑少主, 正在旅途中寻找愿意加入空桑的食魂。 Nǐ zhīdào kōng sāng? Tài hǎole! Wǒ shì kōng sāng shǎo zhǔ, zhèngzài lǚtú zhōng xúnzhǎo yuànyì jiārù kōng sāng de shí hún. You know Kong Sang? That’s wonderful! I am Kong Sang’s Young Miss, currently on a journey to look for Food Souls who’d be willing to join Kong Sang.
[Player] 不知你愿不愿意随我一同到空桑来? Bùzhī nǐ yuàn bù yuànyì suí wǒ yītóng dào kōng sāng lái? I wonder if you would be willing to come with me to Kong Sang?
[德州扒鸡] 传闻中美食遍地的仙乡, 身为食魂, 当然想要前往一览风光。 Chuánwén zhōng měishí biàndì de xiān xiāng, shēn wèi shí hún, dāngrán xiǎng yào qiánwǎng yīlǎn fēngguāng. The rumoured fairyland filled with Food Souls, as a Food Soul, of course I would like to go to such a scenery.
[德州扒鸡] 何况食魂的本职便是以美食悦人, 若能在空桑给更多人带来愉悦, 自是没有理由推脱。 Hékuàng shí hún de běnzhí biàn shì yǐ měishí yuè rén, ruò néng zài kōng sāng gěi gèng duō rén dài lái yúyuè, zì shì méiyǒu lǐyóu tuītuō. What's more, a Food Soul’s purpose is to delight people with delicious delicacies, if more joy could be brought to the people by being in Kong Sang, there’s no reason for me to avoid it.
[德州扒鸡] 只是... Zhǐshì... It’s just...
[Player] 只是? Zhǐshì ? It’s just?
[德州扒鸡] 只是不知弟弟阿符, 是否愿意一同前往…… 不如侍我找到阿符, 同他商量一番之后再作决定, 如何? Zhǐshì bùzhī dìdì ā fú, shìfǒu yuànyì yītóng qiánwǎng…… bùrú shì wǒ zhǎodào ā fú, tóng tā shāngliáng yī fān zhīhòu zài zuò juédìng, rúhé? It’s just I’m not sure about my little brother Ah Fu, whether he’d be willing to leave together... It would be better to let me find Ah Fu, discuss with him and make a decision afterwards, how about it?
[Player] 那是自然。 不过他刚才追击劫匪去了…… Nà shì zìrán. Bùguò tā gāngcái zhuījí jié fěi qùle…… Naturally. But he just left to chase after the robber...
[德州扒鸡] 他居然孤身去追劫匪了? 他行事鲁莽, 我担心-- Tā jūrán gūshēn qù zhuī jié fěile? Tā xíngshì lǔmǎng, wǒ dānxīn-- He chased after the robber by himself? He’s being reckless, I’m worried--
[符离集烧鸡] 我说你这人....怎么一会儿不见, 就跟别人说我的坏话! Wǒ shuō nǐ zhè rén.... Zěnme yīhuǐ'er bu jiàn, jiù gēn biérén shuō wǒ de huàihuà! I tell you this person...Why after not seeing each other for just a little bit, begin talking bad about me to other people!
[Narration] 只见符离集烧鸡像揪鸡崽般揪着晕过去的劫匪, 一腐一拐地向我们走来…… Zhǐ jiàn fú lí jí shāo jī xiàng jiū jī zǎi bān jiūzhe yūn guòqù de jié fěi, yī fǔ yī guǎi dì xiàng wǒmen zǒu lái…… We see Fu Li Ji Shao Ji seizing the fainted robber like seizing a young chicken, limping over towards us...
[符离集烧鸡] 这家伙真够狡猬的, 左拐右拐不知道要往哪里跑, 还好我追得紧, 没让他逃掉! Zhè jiāhuo zhēn gòu jiǎo wèi de. Zuǒ guǎi yòu guǎi bù zhīdào yào wǎng nǎlǐ pǎo, hái hǎo wǒ zhuī dé jǐn, méi ràng tā táo diào! This guy is really a sly hedgehog, turning left and right without knowing where he’s going run to next, good thing I followed closely behind and didn't let him escape!
[德州扒鸡] 阿符, 你行事太鲁莽了! 孤身一人追击劫匪, 万一他有接头人你又如何对付? 做事要先动脑子。 Ā fú, nǐ xíngshì tài lǔmǎngle! Gūshēn yīrén zhuījí jié fěi, wàn yī tā yǒu jiētóu rén nǐ yòu rúhé duìfù? Zuòshì yào xiān dòng nǎozi. Ah Fu, you’re too reckless! Chasing after the robber alone, what would you do if he had an accomplice? You need to think first.
[符离集烧鸡] 我....嘁! 说到底, 你就是觉得我能力不如你咯! 贼我是抓到了, 没缺胳膊也没少腿的! Wǒ.... Qī! Shuō dàodǐ, nǐ jiùshì juédé wǒ nénglì bùrú nǐ gē! Zéi wǒ shì zhuā dàole, méi quē gēbó yě méi shǎo tuǐ de! I....Tch! When all’s said and done, you just think my abilities don’t match up to yours! I caught the thief, without an arm or a leg missing!
[德州扒鸡] 那你走路怎么一瘸一拐的, 哪里受伤了! Nà nǐ zǒulù zěnme yī qué yī guǎi de, nǎlǐ shòushāngle! Then why are you walking with a limp, where have you been hurt!
[符离集烧鸡] 就是抓他的时候, 不小心划伤了皮肤而已, 至于这么大惊小怪…… Jiùshì zhuā tā de shíhòu, bù xiǎoxīn huà shāngle pífū éryǐ, zhìyú zhème dàjīngxiǎoguài…… When I caught the thief, I merely got an accidental cut on the skin, you’re fussing over nothing...
[德州扒鸡] ……算了。 你先坐下, 等我把劫匪带回警察厅, 再拿药箱来给你包扎。 ……Suànle. Nǐ xiān zuò xià, děng wǒ bǎ jié fěi dài huí jǐngchá tīng, zài ná yào xiāng lái gěi nǐ bāozā. ...Forget about it. You sit down first, wait for me to bring the robber back to the police station, and I’ll bring back the medicine box to bandage you.
[符离集烧鸡] 可是我-- Kěshì wǒ-- But I--
[德州扒鸡] 你就待在这里, 别到处乱跑了! Nǐ jiù dài zài zhèlǐ, bié dàochù luàn pǎole! You just stay here, do not run about!
[Narration] 对待旁人亲切谦恭的德州扒鸡, 对待符离集烧鸡却格外严格。 Duìdài pángrén qīnqiè qiāngōng de dézhōu pá jī, duìdài fú lí jí shāo jī què géwài yángé. De Zhou Pa Ji, who usually treats others amiably, is particularly strict towards Fu Ji Li Shao Ji.
[Narration] 阿符似乎憋了一肚子气, 蜷在长凳上, 头也撇到一边, 故意不看德州…… Ā fú sìhū biēle yī dùzi qì, quán zài cháng dèng shàng, tóu yě piē dào yībiān, gùyì bù kàn dézhōu…… Ah Fu seems to be suffocating with a bellyful of anger, curls up on the bench, tilts his head to the side, purposely not looking at De Zhou...
[Narration] 这两兄弟居于空桑时, 常常说不到三句话便会吵起来, 没想到他们在过去也是如此.... Zhè liǎng xiōngdì jūyú kōng sāng shí, chángcháng shuō bu dào sān jù huà biàn huì chǎo qǐlái, méi xiǎngdào tāmen zài guòqù yěshì rúcǐ.... When these two brothers lived in Kong Sang, they would often start quarrelling in less than three sentences. I didn’t expect that they’re the same in the past too...
[符离集烧鸡]  ......
[Player] ........
[符离集烧鸡] ……你盯着我看做什么。 ……Nǐ dīngzhe wǒ kàn zuò shénme. .....What are you staring at me for.
[Player] 你....讨厌哥哥吗? Nǐ.... Tǎoyàn gēgē ma? Do you...hate your older brother?
[符离集烧鸡] ...我只是不喜欢他天天啰啰嗦嗦管这管那, 烦死了…… ... Wǒ zhǐshì bù xǐhuān tā tiāntiān luō luōsuo suo guǎn zhè guǎn nà, fán sǐle…… ...I just don't like him nagging and nagging every day about this and that, so annoying...
[Player] 你们之间..…有认真谈过吗? Nǐmen zhī jiān..…Yǒu rènzhēn tánguò ma? Have the both of you... talked about it seriously?
[符离集烧鸡] 谈什么? 我跟他没什么好谈的! 谈不到两句, 他又该指责我哪里做得不好, 我为什么要自讨没趣…… Tán shénme? Wǒ gēn tā méishénme hǎo tán de! Tán bù dào liǎng jù, tā yòu gāi zhǐzé wǒ nǎlǐ zuò dé bù hǎo, wǒ wèishéme yào zì tǎo méiqù…… Talk what? I have nothing good to talk about with him! Speak less than two words, and he’ll already be criticizing me about the things I didn’t do well enough, why would I shoot myself in the foot like that...
[Player] 其实德州只是关心你 , 但他的确管得太严了....或许他该给你一些自由的空间…… Qíshí dézhōu zhǐshì guānxīn nǐ, dàn tā díquè guǎn dé tài yánle.... Huòxǔ tā gāi gěi nǐ yīxiē zìyóu de kōngjiān…… In truth, De Zhou just cares about you, but he is severe in how he handles it... Maybe he should give you some freedom...
[符离集烧鸡] ......
[符离集烧鸡] ……哎等等, 我为什么要跟你说这些? 我们又不是很熟! ……Āi děng děng, wǒ wèishéme yào gēn nǐ shuō zhèxiē? Wǒmen yòu bùshì hěn shú! .....Hey wait wait, why would I want to tell you about these things? We’re not even that familiar with each other!
[Player] 抱歉, 不自觉地就, 多管闲事了起来……你别生气! 我没有恶意…… Bàoqiàn, bù zìjué de jiù, duō guǎn xiánshìle qǐlái……nǐ bié shēngqì! Wǒ méiyǒu èyì…… Sorry, unconsciously, I’ve meddled into your business... Don’t be angry! I didn’t have any ill intentions...
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oakleyolivia-blog · 6 years
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Human! Freddy Fazbear x Bonnie the Bunny(2)
他也有看到了姬卡和霍斯的情况:
He also saw the situation of Chica and Foxy:
姬卡的双手被齐刷刷地砍断,手腕里面的电线全都被扯出来。她似乎用嘴巴挡住了那个男人的斧头,她的嘴巴向两边撕裂、整个下颚要比人类的脱臼更严重地脱落下来。她连眼神都有些恍惚,眼睛有点聚焦不能,甚至在邦尼向她搭话询问情况的时候因为自己的紫色而瞬间用只剩下电线的手掐住他的脖子。她眼睛发出的凶光让邦尼都害怕的一瞬间说不出话来——当然也是因为发声系统被钳住而说不出话,好不容易等她稍微清醒一点才挣脱出来,但她也只是闷闷地说了句“抱歉”然后就离开了。看来她精神状态真的不太稳定,毕竟亲眼看着跟自己最亲近的孩子被杀自己却无能为力……这段时间还是别靠近她比较好。
Chica's hands were cut off in a neat way, and all the wires inside her wrist were pulled out. She seemed to have blocked the man's axe with her mouth. Her mouth was torn to both sides, and her jaw was more severely dislocated than a human. She looked a little dizzy, her eyes were too focused, and even when Bonnie was talking to her about it, she suddenly used her hands which were left with only the wires pinched his neck, because of his purple. The ferocious light from her eyes made Bonnie speechless for a moment, fearful of being held up by his vocal system, and he had to wait for her to wake up, but she just said "sorry" and left. It seems that her mental state is really not very stable, after all, to see the closest child to be killed but powerless... It's better not to approach her during this period.
霍斯的话……他除了脑壳上崩了一块还有身上到处露出身体骨架的破洞以及脱落的双脚皮套以外其他看上去也基本上没什么问题,毕竟他本来也没好到哪去,大概……好吧,其实他这次也真的没好到哪去,身上的伤明显不是以前就留下的,这还是看得出来的,可能是被那个斧头拆过一次了,但是好像也没那么夸张,还是不猜了……他的精神状态还好,起码比姬卡好多了,但是明显还是有些情绪低落,毕竟自己曾经自傲的速度在这次却完全赶不上去拯救任何人,以前也是、现在也是。自己最有利的优点此刻却完全派不上用场去救其他人,对任何人而言都是个巨大的打击……
Foxy... He's basically okay, except for a piece of his skull and a hole in his endoskeleton and a shedding pair of leather covers. After all, he wasn't really okay, maybe... Well, he's really not so good this time either. The injuries on his body obviously aren't stayed long ago. It can be seen that he's probably been pulled down by the axe once, but it doesn't seem to be that exaggerated. I still can't guess... He's in a better state of mind, at least better than Chica, but apparently he's still a little depressed. After all, he's been too proud to save anyone this time, he used to be, and now is also. It's a huge blow to anyone that one's most advantageous strengths can't be used to save others right now...
而Bonnie自己?估计是所有人之中、最糟糕的一个了……
And Bonnie himself? It is estimated that he is the worst of all...
他低下头去看着自己被齐刷刷砍下的左臂,还有脱落的左脚皮套,这些其实都不算什么,最重要的是……
He looked down at his left arm, which had been brushed off, and the suit of his left foot, those were nothing, but the most importantly...
他抬起唯一完好的右手去摸了摸自己的脸——什么也没有,应该是脸的部位、什么也没有。他的脸被整个砍下,甚至已经算是半个头到下颚以上的部分、整个被砍下,唯一留下的只有下颚的部分,连完整的嘴都没有剩下,只能依靠喉咙的发声系统发出模糊��哑带着杂音的声音。由于没有人造眼球而导致视线都显得十分模糊、就像是没有戴眼镜的高度近视的人的视力。嗯……可能这个比喻还是有点夸张,但是无法看清周围是真的,勉强只能靠模糊的色块和动作运动来判断眼前的事物。
He raised his only right hand and touched his face——nothing, there is nothing, it should be the part of the face, is nothing. His face was chopped off entirely, even half head to jaw above the part, the whole was chopped off, leaving only the jaw part, not even the mouth, can only rely on the throat of the voice system to produce a fuzzy hoarse murmur. The absence of artificial eyeballs causes vision to be blurred, like the vision of a highly myopic person without glasses. Well... Maybe the metaphor is a bit exaggerated, but you can't see anything around you is truth. You can only judge what's right in front of you by the blurred color blocks and the movement.
他本来还有机会把自己的脸重新捡起来,但是被一个穿着蓝色裙子的小女孩给突然抢走了。明明那个时间点不应该出现的女孩,事后也没听到有孩子报警,更没有听到有人提到过关于一个穿蓝色裙子的小女孩的踪迹,就像是幽灵一样……突然出现又突然消失。
He had a chance to pick up his face again at first, but was suddenly robbed by a little girl in a blue skirt. The girl who shouldn't have appeared at that time, and didn't hear the alarm afterwards, nor did anyone mention the trace of a little girl in a blue dress, just like a ghost... Suddenly appeared and suddenly disappeared.
但邦尼十分清楚,那不是个幽灵,那只是个普通的小女孩,因为……他自己周围就有幽灵,他们周围都有幽灵,孩子的幽灵、被杀孩子的幽灵,而且……不止一两个,是、很多个,包括这次被杀的孩子……都在。只是他们现在还在沉睡,仅此而已。
But Bonnie is very clear. It's not a ghost. It's just an common little girl, because... There were ghosts around him, and there were ghosts around them, the ghosts of the children, the ghosts of the murdered children, and... More than one or two, yes, many, including the children killed this time... It's all right. But they are still asleep now, that's all.
他刚刚在外面稍微走了一圈,现在已经是晚上了,今天似乎暂时还没有夜间保安来上班——起码现在没有。没有人注意到他们已经能够自主活动起来,也跟后辈商量好白天的时候还是维持现状,晚上再另外行动,毕竟不能伤到孩子们,而且从六点开始就要乖乖回到原来的位置、免得给人起疑心。
He had just walked a little bit outside. It was now evening, and it seemed as if there were no night guards to come to work today——At least not now. No one noticed that they had been able to move on their own, and that they had consulted their juniors about maintaining the status quo during the day and acting differently at night, after all, without hurting the children, and that they would return to their original position from six o'clock to avoid suspicion.
等邦尼回到零件服务房的时候,他看到了站在不远处已经醒来的那个、他最爱的男人,他……无法拯救的那个人。
When Bonnie returned to the Part & Service Room, he saw the man he loved standing not far away who had woken up. He was... The one that he can't saved.
“……弗雷迪?”
"...Freddy?"
他下意识喊出了那个名字,但是在他说出口的一瞬间他才想起自己现在的模样、凄惨且可怕,小孩子看到绝对会被吓哭的长相……他突然不敢去面对他,害怕他被自己吓到,害怕他会讨厌自己、抛弃自己,这种从以前开始就刻进自己机械骨架里的不自信……
He called out the name subconsciously, but in the instant, he called his name and then remembered what he was like, miserable and terrible, the face when children saw will be absolutely frightened to cry... He suddenly dared not face him, afraid that he was scared by him, afraid that he would hate him, abandon him, this from the beginning carved into his endoskeleton of self-confidence...
但是还没等他反应到要躲起来的时候,弗雷迪就已经把头转过来了。他没看到他脸上此刻是什么样的表情,但他注意到了他的动作停在了转过头来的那一瞬间。
But before he could react to hiding, Freddy turned his head to him. He did not see the expression on his face at the moment, but he noticed that his movements stopped at the moment when he turned around.
他愣住了。
He was stunned.
…………………………………………………………
弗雷迪没想到他有一天会看到邦尼这个模样出现在自己眼前,这种……凄惨的模样。他一直觉得自己可以把自己的朋友、自己的恋人保护得很好很好,绝对不会让他受到任何伤害。但是从此情此景看来……自己并没有做到。
Freddy did not think that one day he would see the appearance of Bonnie in front of his eyes. This... Miserable appearance. He always felt that he could protect his friends, his lovers very well and never let him get hurt. But from this perspective, it seems that... He didn't do it.
“邦尼……”“别过来。”
"Bonnie..." "Don' come."
Freddy刚向前走了一步,Bonnie就下意识喊出了这么一句,并且条件反射地往后退了一步。Freddy再次愣在原地,明显不知道对方为什么不让自己靠近他,Bonnie也因为自己这么一声喊而僵住,然后不再说话只是一直站在原地跟对方僵持着。
Just as Freddy took a step forward, Bonnie subconsciously shouted out such a sentence, and reflexively backed away. Freddy was stuck in the same spot again, apparently wondering why he wasn't allowed to get close to him, and Bonnie was frozen by his own shout, then stopped talking and just stood there and froze.
“为什么……?”“不要过来,弗雷迪,我……太难看了。”
"Why...?" "Don't come, Freddy, I am...Too ugly."
Bonnie沙哑着声音这么说着,他剩下的那只手挡住了自己只剩下外露的机械零件的脸,把头低了下来不敢看他。
Bonnie said in a husky voice, his remaining hand blocking his face from the only exposed mechanical parts, and lowering his head to dare not look at him.
“我现在、太丑了,像一个怪物一样,我这个样子……会吓到你的。”“不会的。”
"I am... Too ugly now. Like a moster, I look like this... It will scare you." "Will not."
弗雷迪条件反射地立即回答,他很快又向前几步走去,在邦尼反应过来之前就抱住他,紧紧地抱着、不让他有任何挣脱机会。
Freddy responded instantly with a reflex, and he quickly stepped forward a few more steps, holding Bonnie in his arms before he could respond, holding him tightly, not letting him get away.
“弗、弗雷迪……!?”邦尼明显没反应过来要挣脱对方的拥抱,事实上他也不想去挣脱这个熟悉而又温暖的拥抱,因为这能让他安心下来、在这个让人绝望的地方给他带来一点安慰。
"F, Freddy...!?"Bonnie apparently didn't react to breaking away from the other person's hug, and in fact he didn't want to break away from the familiar and warm hug, because it reassured him and brought him some comfort in this desperate place.
“弗雷迪……”“我不觉得你难看或者可怕什么的,我说过了、在我眼里……你永远是最美的。”
"Freddy..." "I don't think you're ugly or awful. I said, in my eyes... You are always the most beautiful. "
弗雷迪轻轻梳理着对方有些凌乱的紫蓝色长发,亲吻了一下他突出的机械头骨,显然不在意邦尼此刻的模样到底有多狰狞多恐怖,只是用对待自己深爱的恋人的方法去对待对方而已。
Freddy gently combed his messy purple-blue hair and kissed his prominent mechanical skull, apparently oblivious to how ferocious and horrible Bonnie was at the moment, just treating his loved one the way he was.
“但是……你知道的,我现在、已经没用了,无法战斗无法服务无法出现在孩子们眼前,没有任何价值……”邦尼下意识低下头去看着自己空荡荡的左臂,他的灯状眼睛闪了闪,感觉自己的视野似乎突然模糊了一下,但是很快他就被弗雷迪强迫着抬起头来,眼前的一切又重新聚焦。
"But... You know, I'm, I'm useless, I can't fight, I can't serve, I can't be in front of kids, I don't have any value..." Bonnie subconsciously looked down at his empty left arm. His lamp eyes flashed and his vision seemed suddenly blurred, but soon he was forced by Freddy to raise his head and refocus.
“……不对,你不是这样的。你是我最好的搭档、最好的朋友、最好最重要的……恋人。”
"... No, you are not. You are my best partner, best friend, best and most important... Lover. "
他抬起对方仅剩的那只右手,然后在他指尖上落下一吻,像是恋人在婚礼上落下的誓约之吻一样,虔诚地带着自己的满腔爱意在对方手上留下的吻。
He lifted the Bonnie's right hand and droped a kiss on his fingertip, like an oath kiss from a lover at a wedding, with a devotional kiss in his loved one's hand.
突然,他好像发现了什么似的,手摸上了邦尼的脖子,然后开始仔细摩挲着他皮肤上的痕迹,脸上的表情也开始变得可怕起来。邦尼也意识到了什么,立刻慌乱地抓住他的手把它放了下来,但弗雷迪还是问出了那么一句:
Suddenly, as if he had noticed something, he touched Bonnie's neck and began carefully rubbing the marks on his skin, and the expression on his face began to get terrible. Bonnie realized what was happening and immediately grabbed his hand and let it go, but Freddy still asked:
“……谁干的?”弗雷迪一脸严肃地盯着邦尼,但是对方并没有回答。
"... Who did it? " Freddy stared at Bonnie with a serious face, but the other side did not answer.
“是谁……勒住你脖子了?”弗雷迪耐心地再问了一遍,但是、邦尼依旧没有去回答对方。
"Who... Hold your neck? " Freddy patiently asked again, but Bonnie still did not answer him.
“那个男人只用斧头,一定是别人做的这事,告诉我是谁做的……乖。”弗雷迪几乎要用哄孩子一样的口吻去询问对方了,但是邦尼却还是没有回答。
"That man only uses an axe. It must be someone's work. Tell me who did it. Well - behaved. " Freddy almost asked him in a child like tone, but Bonnie still did not answer.
邦尼不敢说,他不敢告诉他这是姬卡干的。他虽然不清楚如果弗雷迪知道了以后会做些什么,但是他能确定,这对他们之间的友谊和感情都不好,而且就姬卡现在的精神状态而言、他不想再雪上加霜。
Bonnie dares not say that he dare not tell him that this is Chica's work. He didn't know what Freddy would do if he knew it, but he was sure it wasn't good for their friendship and affection, and he didn't want to make it worse for Chica's current state of mind.
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yidiliu-ella · 6 years
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Voice Material 3 (Status and Sex Story)
Status:
我害怕我感受不到。
即使和你说话,我也感受不到什么强烈的情感。
我不知道自己是否想体会到什么,那些男女之间的感觉,世间的解释像是存于世上,你注定会被另一个人类吸引,你们想要结合的感觉如此强烈,让你心甘情愿赤裸身体的呈现自己。我听人们说起过这种感觉,仿佛它真的存在似的,粉色的,闪亮的,温柔的,持续的,缠绵的,晕眩的,人们失去自我,人们乐在其中。我从没遇到过比自己更重要的东西。这样说来,我又是什么?
我是什么。
我是….我讨厌依赖,像水蛭一样的寄宿感,他们吸食啃咬,他们掠夺,他们让你变得不再是你。
我讨厌被依赖,像鲸鱼身上的藤壶一样的生活,他们随波逐流,流入草原,流入荒野,流入平庸,流入黑暗。
我需要支配,我只需要一副强大的外壳,能带我攀入上面。
地位,我需要进入更高,我所有的恐惧都来源自下面,它们是一片无法脱离的泥沼,而只要走的更高,我就能抓住自己,我会呼吸着上层的空气,我会触碰远方的光明,这就是我,我会被完美的镶嵌在那个高处的位置里,那里有着我的位置,那里有着一个属于我自己的形状。
对,我在那里,那里就是我,那里能找到我,那里能保护我。
到了那里,我什么都不会怕了。
 I am afraid that I can't feel it.
Even if I talk to you, I don't feel any strong emotions.
I don't know if I want to experience anything. The feelings between men and women, the interpretation of the world is like being in the world,you are destined to be attracted to another human being. The feeling you want to combine is so strong that you are willing to be naked andpresent yourself. I heard people talk about this feeling, as if it really exists, pink, shiny, gentle, continuous, lingering, dizzy, people lose themselves, people are happy. I have never encountered anything more important than myself. By the way, what am I?
What am I.
I am.... I hate dependence, a sense of boarding like a otter, they suck and bites, they plunder, they make you no longer yourself.
I hate being dependent, like the barnacles on the whales. They drifted into the grasslands, into the wilderness, into mediocrity, into the darkness.
I need to control, I only need a strong shell that can take me to the top.
Status, I need to go higher, all my fears come from below, they are a mud that can't be separated, and as long as I walk higher, I can catch myself. I will breathe the upper air, I will touch the light of the distance, this is me, I will be perfectly set in the high position, there is my position, there is a shape of my own.
Yes, I am there, there is me, it can find me, it can protect me.
When I got there, I was not afraid of anything.
Sex:
所有的故事都有个结局,就算不是传统意义上的结局,也都该有个终点。不过现在想想那年夏天发生的故事,结局的意义是什么呢?
六岁以前的夏天,我是小区里唯一的女生,你大我七岁,我叫你哥哥,我跟你们一起踢球,抓鸟,捉马蜂,做标本,骑车,挖陷阱,吃你们买给我的冰棍。七岁中间的那个夏天,很热,我们的父母在你��的客厅聊天,你把我带进了你的房间,我们���在床上,你探头过来凑近我,摁住我,力道不重。可你的动作深入时我不知道这���什么,接吻?我甚至没听说过。所以我只能躺着盯着你墙上的海报,担心自己的僵硬是不是打扰了你的快乐。 In the summer before the age of six, I am the only girl in the community. You are seven years older than me. I call you brother. I play football with you, catch birds, catch wasps, make specimens, ride bicycles, dig traps, eating the popsicle you buy to me. In the middle of the seven-year-old, it was very hot of summer. Our parents chatted in your living room. You brought me into your room. We were lying in bed. You probed and came close to me, holding me, not too heavy. But when your movements go deep, I don't know what it is, kissing? I have not even heard of it. So I can only lie down and stare at the poster on your wall, worrying if my stiffness is disturbing your happiness.
那个夏天,我们的父母交流频繁。在经历了几次相同的卧室经历后,你在一个放学的傍晚拦住了我,那天的颜色我还能清楚记得,黄色混着红色的晚霞。你带我到小区后面的别墅区,我一直认为那是你给我们找的新探险场地。红顶,蓝顶,绿顶,三栋别墅,你带我来到我最喜欢的绿顶的后面,别墅的主人不常回来,因为花园里的蝴蝶兰很久没人处理过了。真奇怪,我记得所有的景色,却不记得事情是怎么开始的,我只记得你的话,你说你们在上生物课,而你想邀请我加入你的人体研究。荒唐的话,荒唐的地点,但这一切配上黄昏温柔的颜色,又都正常了很多。我也许不情愿,我也许没懂,而你最终让我懂了。我蹲在花丛前,光裸着下面的皮肤,你触碰的动作很轻,蜜蜂飞的速度都变慢了。
That summer, our parents communicated frequently. After several identical bedroom experiences, you stopped me at dusk when I go back home after school, and I can still remember the color of the day, the yellow mixed red sunset. You took me to the villa area behind the community. I always thought it was the new adventure site you were looking for. Red top, blue top, green top, three villas, you take me to the back of my favorite green top, the owner of the villa does not come back often, because the orchids in the garden have not been processed for a long time. It’s weird, I remember all the scenery, but I don’t remember how things started. I only remember your words. You said that you are in biology class, and you want to invite me to join your body research. Absurd words, ridiculous locations, but all things with the gentle colors of dusk, it become normal. I may be reluctant, I may not understand, and you finally let me know. I am kneeling in front of the flowers, bare skin of my leg, the movements you touch are very light, and the speed of the bees flying is slower.
我不得不说这真是个好理由,我在心理祈祷着我会是个好的研究对象,我在心理揣测着自己的愚钝动作是否会干扰你的研究,我在内心羞耻着自己的裸露和不舒服的触碰却想为你完成那些你想进行的动作,在花丛前,你每次伸出的手都带着犹豫,我开始担心自己是不是做的不对。而我们的这种研究搭档关系,持续了三次。第四次时,我听见了我父亲的叫喊声,你叫我快回去,不要说。我在想对,我不应该说。 I have to say that this is really a good reason. I prayed that I would be a good research object. I was psychologically wondering if my dull motion would interfere with your research. I was ashamed of my nakedness and discomfort touch in my heart, but still trying to complete the actions you want to do for you. Before the flowers, Every time you stretch out your hands with hesitation, I start to worry about whether I am doing something wrong. And our research partnership has lasted three times. The fourth time, I heard the shout of my father, you told me to go back soon, don't say. I am thinking about it, I should not say it.
我父亲在我长这么大打过我两次,而你是造成最严重的那个,我记得我趴在地上,哭着发一些再也不敢的誓言,所有能想起来的感觉只有害怕,我在当时甚至没明白过来他让我再也不敢做什么?见你?不再跟你说话?拒绝你?在你让我脱下什么的时候摇头?而他随后扔下手里用来打我的鞋子,转身离开屋子。奇怪的是我竟记不得他的表情了,我只记得我挣扎着看向窗外时,他的身影正冲着你家的方向走去。啊,那一刻,我大概没那么害怕了。我知道我也许没有错,错的是你。我的害羞没什么不对的,不对的是你。我的害怕没什么不对的,不对的是你。我还是那个正常女孩,不对的是你,错的是你,该羞耻的是你,是你,是你,是你,是你,是你,是你,是你,是你。 My father has beaten me twice as long as I grew up, and you are the most serious one. I remember that I was lying on the ground, crying and making some vows that I never dare. All the feelings that I can think of are only fear, I didn't even understand him at the time, never dare to do what? meet you? Stop talking to you? Refused you? Shaking my head when you let me take off? And then he dropped the shoes and turned away from the house. The strange thing is that I can't remember his expression. I only remember that when I struggled to look out the window, his was heading in the direction of your home. Ah, at that moment, I was probably not so scared. I know that I may not be wrong. The fault is you. There is nothing wrong with my shyness, it is you. There is nothing wrong with my fear, it is you who are not right. I am still the normal girl, the wrong thing is you, the wrong is you, the shame is you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you.
我无数次想象我父亲是怎么向你的母亲描述这件事的。 而我现在想的是,我难道不只是一滩肉块吗? 所以七岁那年的我,尝起来是怎样味道的肉块呢。
I have imagined many times how my father described this to your mother.
And what I think now is, isn't I just a piece of meat?
So when I was seven years old, how it tasted?
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suburbiakrp-blog · 7 years
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WELCOME TO JUKJEON, LIN HUAYU !
your place at dasol apartments 4B is all ready for you, we hope you enjoy your stay. citizens, let’s welcome our new neighborhood student and wedding planner intern !
HOW HAS JUKJEON BEEN TREATING YOU THE PAST 3 YEARS ?
jukjeon, as it is, isn’t what huayu’s expected.
that should go unsaid, especially mostly because the only reason he’s here is because of a stupid incident that’s inflicted permanent harm on him. otherwise, he would have remained amongst the bustling metropolis of china—but instead, he’s, well. here.
rendered useless.
it’s a bit bleak, he supposes. but despite the fact that some days it gets so bad to the point that he doesn’t want to get out of bed (doesn’t see the point in living) the days go on.
(time waits for no man.)
and that fact alone makes him push on, just that this time, not physically. fate always has a plan though, whether it takes a year or ten, and he believes it’ll get better. it needs to. but while he’s stuck here in an apartment that’s too big for his body, and left to his own devices to pursue his dreams in another manner, he figures—
why not make the most out of it while it lasts?
TELL US MORE ABOUT YOURSELF !
tw: homophobia, violence, bodily harm
“mr. lin.”
the shuffle of paper, and a piece is turned around for him to see.
“may i just ask—do you know why huayu… chose to depict his family in this way when he was asked to?”
it’s in red crayon, the typical jagged grass and stick figures in front of a house that every kid draws: there’s himself, his dog, his father…
and his other… father?
“i—“
they’re not smiling. stick-boy huayu’s face is scrunched into a frown, a big red cross drawn across their whole family.
伤心伤心伤心. (unhappy unhappy unhappy.)
为什么他们都这么讨厌我们? (why do they all hate us so much?)
“i-i don’t know.”
i don’t know either, huayu.
ON YOUR MARKS,
“hey.”
he keeps his head ducked down.
“hey, fucker, we’re talking to you.”
brisk, brisk, brisk, arms clamped stiffly by his sides in an attempt to get away.
he fights the urge to sprint away.
“hasn’t your father taught you any respect?”
(away away away away away)
“oh, oops. probably not. especially since he’s fucking that other man—your diedie, is he? every other night.”
freeze.
and he sees red.
/
“i expected better of you, huayu.” his voice is disappointed, heavy. it weighs down on his tiny  shoulders, an act done that’s beyond than his understanding (for now). all that’s keeping him from collapsing is his father’s gaze that pins his feet to the ground. “i can’t believe you did that.”
(which is worse: the fact that he doesn’t feel remorse or that he should?)
“but- baba, they said…”
“i don’t care what they said. huayu, you can’t just. go around hitting people because they said something you didn’t like! do you know how angry that boy’s parents and your teacher were? they told me that—“ silence. his father breaks off abruptly and swallows, words snagging on his teeth. “well. they told me- they told me some things.”
(this is no way to bring your child up, mr. lin. i’m sure your… lifestyle, is impacting your son negatively, whether you realise it or not.)
the fight drains out of him, and only exhaustion stays as a residue. “the point is, huayu, just. don’t engage in violence, okay? no matter what people tell you. they don’t understand… us.”
(but baba, that’s not true. we’re as normal as anybody else.)
that night, huayu laces up his shoes, and runs.
/
running is all he seems to do these days, apparently.
figuratively and physically.
it doesn’t matter though, because it lands him a place somewhere, even if it’s just a place on his middle school’s track team. it’s a step up from his usual reputation as a hidden shadow, at least.
it allows him to be seen.
/
left, right, left, inhale.
here comes the blinding gold of medals and trophies that huayu’s showered with, recognition after recognition after recognition.
it’s already a steady pattern that he’s used to, a constant thrum of energy that settles in his bones and serves to push him further. (the only rhythm he’ll allow himself to settle into.) his limbs burn and his lungs are desperate, but he thinks that it’s worth it. it’ll always be.
(“you ever thought about going pro, kid?”
“…no?”
“well, you should. you’re still young, but with the way you run—it’ll take you places.”)
for the first time, huayu lets himself fall in love.
GET SET,
high school comes round in a flurry of glory.
the track is practically his second home, the red gravel a sort of solace in itself. it’s where he runs, runs, and runs, and doesn’t look back.
and take him places, it does. he’s offered a full scholarship for his times, makes the nationals. said that he’s good enough to represent the country, even, if given the time. for a small boy, huayu has big dreams (and for once he lets himself dream).
maybe it’s not a big deal. he’s just running (from his problems, from the track, from life), but it makes him, him. or—he’s afraid to discover who he’d be without this, something he’s actually good at, something he cares about.
he hides it behind a mask of pride, though, withering smile directed at his teammates who only ever offer their graciousness. but huayu is not gracious, or kind, to the world that has never once been that to him. why begin now? and so he wears his medals around his neck, head lifted high, and tries to convinces himself that he is the best.
(he’s not.)
but.
this is the happiest he’s been in a long while, and he hold it close to his heart.
/
“is there something you don’t believe in?”
(Him. for if He existed, huayu’s parents would have had an easier fucking life and they wouldn’t be condemned. He’d have provided the refuge that they sought instead of the constant harsh disapproval they were faced with. huayu would be happy. He would have saved them.
but He didn’t.)
maybe huayu isn’t the nicest—or even remotely decent—human, but who’s to say that of him? (karma) why can’t he get away from being unkind when everyone else can? (because.) is he going to regret being truthful? (yes)
so huayu says, simply:
“god.”
/
“god, you never learn your lesson, do you?”
this time, he has no savior. instead, envy claws at him with extended talons and tries to rip him into shreds. it comes in the form of a group of boys, almost a reflection of the same incident years ago.
this time, envy is armed with sticks that will actually break his bones.
“what makes you fucking think you can just come in here thinking that you’re all that? you think you’re that good, huh? when we’re done, no college will even fucking spare a glance at you.”
six to one, and it’s obvious at a glance that huayu’s as good as finished. give up? notan option. more like,
#1: violence (and disappoint all the people that’s ever mattered to him once again)
#2: back down—pride pride pride
#3: (…run?)
(he’s been running away his whole life.
but maybe, this time he can’t.)
there are no shoes to lace this time, no arguments to sprint away from. all huayu can do is lie there, body curled into himself, as he bleeds,
metal against bone, skin against flesh.
(he feels it on his arms his backs his legs— and oh god his legs—)
crack!
/
his world
crashes
down.
/
he was right. no decent sports university spares a glance at the boy with the crippled leg, previous agility now reduced to a pathetic limp.
a shattered tibial plateau, huayu’s told.
do you want to press charges?
and he should,
he should.
but maybe—he had it coming.
/
“yes, dad, i’m doing fine. no, i’m not dying— i can take care of myself! no i’m an adult—hello, ba—i’ll be alright, jeez. and yes, i’ll visit soon, don’t worry, okay? yeah, see you, love you both. take care.”
he hangs up, and the sudden quiet of his apartment instantly swallows him whole with the absence of his parents’ constant chatter in his ear.
he’s lonely and fuck, he misses them. but guangzhou doesn’t have a place for him anymore, and he’s moved from seoul to jukjeon in search of a quieter place to settle down. maybe planning weddings (even as an intern) is a rather odd job he’s found himself in, especially for someone who doesn’t believe in any sort of happy ending.
(he hates to admit it, but he lies in wait for someone to prove him wrong.)
it still pays him, though, and at least aids him in the cost for his tuition at dankook.
it’s far from what he’d imagined himself at in this point of time—star athlete, rough edges, an infinite youth on hand, but instead here he is—struggling, recovering, and not enough time. never enough time.
he’s coping, though.
there’s still a lot for him to learn, and some days it tires him out. if anything, does he really deserve his situation now? he likes to think he does, as a sort of consolation (not much). and all he wants to do is—
(left, right, left, exhale—?)
and yet, maybe he learns that he can’t always keep running anymore. maybe, maybe all he needs is to be kind to the world before it’s kind to him.
GO!
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ao3feed-brucewayne · 1 year
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[中文翻译]You Deserve Love, And You'll Get It
by zhaoque_xiao
Summary: After the Civil War, Tony is trapped in his abusive relationship with Steve and is desperate to find escape. His team hates him, and is blind to Steve's abuse. So when he finds refuge in Gotham with an old friend, he learns that he is very much worth loving, and the Waynes will fight to prove it. 内战结束后,托尼被与史蒂夫间的虐待关系困住了,他绝望地想要逃离。他的团队讨厌他,还对史蒂夫的虐待行为视而不见;因此他到哥谭的一位老朋友那里寻求庇护。避难期间,他得知自己非常值得被爱,韦恩一家将努力证明这一点。
译者的话: Have requested authorization for translation in the comment section of the original text, but the original author has not replied to me. Loved it so much that I get started before reply. If there are any problems, please contact me to delete the article! 已在原文评论区请求授权翻译,但原作者还没有回复我。因为实在是太喜欢这一篇了,所以等不及就先开始了。 如果有任何问题,请及时联系我删文!
Words: 28582, Chapters: 6/9, Language: 中文-普通话 國語
Fandoms: Marvel, DCU, Marvel Cinematic Universe, The Avengers (Marvel) - All Media Types, Justice League - All Media Types, Batman - All Media Types, Wonder Woman (Movies - Jenkins)
Rating: Explicit
Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence, Rape/Non-Con
Categories: M/M
Characters: Tony Stark, Bruce Wayne, Steve Rogers, T'Challa (Marvel), James "Bucky" Barnes, James "Rhodey" Rhodes, Vision (Marvel), Wanda Maximoff, Sam Wilson (Marvel), Clint Barton, Pepper Potts, Natasha Romanov (Marvel), Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damian Wayne, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, Barbara Gordon, Alfred Pennyworth, Minor Characters, Diana (Wonder Woman)
Relationships: Steve Rogers/Tony Stark, Tony Stark/Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark & T'Challa, Minor or Background Relationship(s)
Additional Tags: Angst, Crossover, DC and Marvel, Angst and Hurt/Comfort, Post-Captain America: Civil War (Movie), not team Cap friendly, Not Steve Rogers Friendly, Not Stony Friendly, Implied/Referenced Rape/Non-con, BAMF Bruce, Batfamily (DCU), batfamily adopts Tony, IronBat - Freeform, Tony-centric, Tony Stark Still Has Arc Reactor, Hurt Tony Stark, T'Challa (Marvel) Is a Good Bro, Angst with a Happy Ending, I'm Bad At Tagging, What Was I Thinking?, What Have I Done, I'm Sorry
source https://archiveofourown.org/works/44528281
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SEVENTEEN MASTERLIST.
COMING SOON!
none yet.
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hip-hop team.
choi seungcheol.
我讨厌他: i hate him
崔承哲: your best friend choi seungcheol brings you home after hoshi invites you out for a drink after you told him that you were rejected.
jeon wonwoo
none.
kim mingyu
签售会!: book signing!
金明玉: he wanted to publicize your relationship, but tried doing it lowkey.
chwe hansol
none.
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vocal team.
yoon jeonghan
挫折: frustrations
尹正漢: you finally let out all your frustration to your senior colleague who have been making you repeat your designs, and finds out his motive by it.
hong jisoo
none.
lee jihoon
none.
lee seokmin
none.
boo seungkwan
与你: with you (edited)
布胜宽: you always rant to your schoolmate, seungkwan, about almost everything. this time, you rant about your 'health' problems to him which causes everything to change.
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performance team.
wen junhui
我很健忘: i'm oblivious
月俊輝: you've always been obvious, while he's always been oblivious. you suddenly believe he doesn't like you, so you stop hitting on him, resulting in him being punched by his friends.
kwon soonyoung
二月的雪: la neige en février (privated! rewriting)
权顺英: you've been best friends since first year, and this is your final year as a dancer and a broadcaster, as a student. the final day should be one to remember.
xu minghao
坠入你的怀抱: falling in your arms
徐明浩: it's a tiring day for both of you after dispatch revealed your relationship after the day you meet each other.
lee chan
更甜: sweeter
warning(s): just some making out. this is just short.
李燦: he can't stop himself from tasting your lips over and over again after having your full attention.
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A very touching message from #happylife #向往的生活 .. @henrylau89 #헨리 #henrylau. Henry is a special person.. love him so much.. 😚😚😚😚😚 http://pic.twitter.com/dtD2aYw3vR
— Strings Mazzi (@StringsHK_Henry)
March 3, 2017
huge thanks to @plincess-cho​ for a rough translation! (emphasis on rough as instructed lol)
深夜,一些简单的话。
Late at night, some simple words.
希望大家仔细看节目里的每一分钟《身高不是问题中》
I hope everyone can take a careful look at the problem <Height is Not a Problem>
大华说:所有的玩笑都是为了她们放松;临走的女排姑娘和他依依惜别:小X说:快哭了。
Dahua said: All the jokes are made to relax [the ladies]; before leaving the women’s volleyball ladies, [name] said: Quickly cry [t/n: direct translation: Quick cry.]
他过份单纯,努力开自己的玩笑,让你开心;他向每一个人表示自己的好感,无论是巴图,赫赫,子建这些男孩子还是女排姑娘,都灵,依霖这些女孩子;
He [simply?] tried to open his own joke, to make you happy; he expressed his goodwill to everyone, whether it is batu [t/n: not sure what this means], hehe, [it doesn’t matter?] if it’s men’s or women’s, [t/n: really not sure what the rest of this is saying…]
他和我们说,有时候会觉得很孤独,因为总是一个人,和家人不在一起,在外工作的时候也很少朋友,所以还次有新朋友,他总希望尽快向对方表达自己的好感;
He spoke with us [t/n: tells us?]: Sometimes, he feels very lonely because he’s only one person and not with his family,  and working outside doesn’t bring many friends, so this time as there were new friends, he always wanted to express his liking as soon as possible.
他的表达方式有时候很ABC,有点别扭,比如“你要的我都给你啊”,但这真的是他的心里话,他get到你要的,真的会去努力,比如搬砖,比如棒棒糖。
His expression is sometimes ABC [t/n: no idea what this means], a bit awkward, for example “you want me to give [it to] you,” but it’s really from his heart. You have to understand him: he really works hard, moving bricks and lollipops [t/n: not sure about the lollipops part lol].
他很依赖黄老师和何老师,说想以辈子和他们在一起合作;
He is very dependent on Teacher Huang and Teacher He, said he wanted [or to think of] life together with them;
他也是一个敬业的艺人,又希望制造节目效果,希望节目更好玩一些,尽管有时候确实很幼稚。。。不知道你们听没听过他用心创做的歌;看没看到他干的重话;有没有感受过她的真心。
He is also a dedicated artist, wanting to create program results [t/n: maybe get program views], hoping to make the program more fun, although he’s sometimes very naïve…  I don’t know if you have heard the song of his heart [t/n: some typos in this section]; or seen his dry words [t/n: dry humor? Not sure]; or have felt his sincere heart. 
他华确实还不成熟,但他依然是善良的,勤奋的,独一无二的大华。 
He is rather immature, but he is still kind, unique, and hardworking Dahua.
我们可以喜欢一个人或讨厌一个人,但这并不是我们吹捧或攻击的里由。学会换位思考,就像我相信你会看到最后一样。
We can like a person or hate a person, but this is not what we have touted or attacked [t/n: not 100% sure what this means]. Learn empathy, just as I believe you will see at last.
谢谢你看完,愿与你共勉。
Thank you for reading, willing to work with you [to encourage each other?].
i think the gist is: he didn't mean any harm, he's just awkward and lonely and tries his best to make friends, even if it comes off strangely. he's a really talented artist with his good heart. please show some empathy 
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ubiquitous-l · 7 years
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1/117 - Meeting the Stunner (1/4)
Next Chapter ->
Index Raws: http://www.my285.com/XY/wdxj/index.htm
Chapter 1 Raws: http://www.my285.com/XY/wdxj/01.htm
[[World of Summie’s Translations]]
Visit World of Summie’s translation if mine doesn’t make sense. She has translated Ch.1-7 but hasn’t updated it since 2015 and we use different raws. I’m translating from the very beginning to know the Chinese characters for the names and get a better understanding of Chinese grammar. I do rely heavily on machine translators so who knows if this is correct. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong though.
[Unedited]
第一章 / 遇见尤物
Chapter 1 (of the book) / Meeting the Stunner
(Think of the first paragraph as a preview for what happens later on. I’m not sure why the raws had this as the first paragraph. Also, be prepared to read a ton of footnotes & commentary.)
       帅哥哭笑不得地拿着我的假发,做雕塑状,只是冷冷目视我,而他走之前,我还是语重心长地拍着他的肩膀说:"小伙子,以后没事不要长那么美,出门不安全。"
This handsome guy dumbfoundedly [1] held my wig like a sculpture and simply gave me a cold look. Before he left, I sincerely patted his shoulder, explaining, “Young man, next time, do not look so attractive. It is dangerous to wander around [2].”
[1] 哭笑不得 - an idiom where the person is unsure whether to laugh/cry
[2] This phrase was taken from Novel Updates. 
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  我现在心如死灰,只想找一堵墙结束我凄惨的人生,而对面穿得花枝招展的莉莉莎仍然沉浸在打击我的乐趣中,鲜艳的红唇滔滔不绝,几乎是享受地看着我失魂落魄。
Right now, my heart is in ashes [3]. I just want to look for a wall to end my miserable life, but sitting opposite of me is the gorgeously dressed Lilisha (莉莉莎) who was still attacking my happiness with her vivid, red lips talking endlessly, as if she enjoys watching my distraught self.
[3] Idiom meaning extreme despair.
  她一定以为我失恋了,其实姑娘你不知道,我是快失业了。
She must have been under the impression that I was heartbroken. Actually, young lady, I'm about to be unemployed.
  “玛丽,你好傻,你怎么会看上垅少?你不知道他每天晚上陪他那个的是各种各样的小男孩吗?”。
"Mary (玛丽), you're such an idiot, why did you fall for Long Jr.(垅少)? Didn’t you know he has lot of young boys accompanying him in that manner every night?"
  “真,真的?”。
"Re-really?"
  “这还有假?妈妈桑亲口跟我说的。听说‘暗’的背后老板就是邓垅。呵,这样也好,方便自己也方便别人,据说暗的主题‘天下同志是一家’就是邓垅提出来的。”
"How can I be wrong? Mama-san personally told me that info. I also heard that An's (暗) hidden boss is him, Deng Long (邓垅). Oh, this is so good. It's convenient for me and the others too. An's rule is 'Comrades are a part of the family', proposed by Deng Long (邓垅) himself."
  暗是A市最具规模的同性恋酒吧,低调却不缺奢华,我听人说过,那圈子里卧虎藏龙,也不乏能翻江倒海的人物。
An (暗) is a large-scale homosexual nightclub in City A that keeps a low profile, but is not lacking in grandeur. I heard people say that their circle hides talented individuals [4]. That place is also a den for powerful people.
[4] Original expression was “hidden dragon, crouching tiger”
  没想到我还真遇上一条黑龙,吃男不吃女的。
I just did not expect to meet a black dragon [5] that eats men, but not women.
[5] A successful & powerful person
  我低头瞥了眼自己脖子下面那两个肉馒头,近乎绝望地认识到,现在报名变性手术已太晚,短时间内,我不可能由小女孩变成小男孩。
I lowered my head to glance at the two steamed buns below my neck. I was more distraught after realizing that my current self needed to undergo a sex change, but it was too late. I did not have enough time to change from a young girl into a young boy.
  下半生再努力,我顶多能成为卖男孩的小女孩而已。
If I tried hard from now on, the most I could be is a young girl who sells young boys, nothing more.
  我面对的是几乎不可能完成的任务。
It seems as if I was given an almost impossible assignment.
  莉莉莎凑到我耳边,神秘兮兮的说,“邓垅讨厌女人是出了名的,据他自己形容,要是上了女人,就好像吃了好几千只苍蝇,想死的心也有呢。”
Lilisha (莉莉莎) saw this as an opportunity to move closer to my ear and mysteriously whispered, "Deng Long (邓垅) really hates women. Based on his description, eating a woman is the same as eating a thousand houseflies. His heart will also die and he'll cease to exist."
  我被打击到极点,翘着二郎腿忍不住冷哼,“这么说,他的仇家只要派个女人强上他就能让他隔天自杀了?”。
I was met with a heavy blow. I crossed my legs, unable to stop myself from coldly snorting, "So what you really mean is that he hates the women that were sent by his enemies and if they were to spend the night together, he will commit suicide the next day?"
  莉莉莎楞了楞,然后不怀好意地朝我笑了笑,姿态妖娆地点起了香烟,“条件允许的话,也可以考虑考虑轮奸嘛。”
Lilisha (莉莉莎) looked blankly at me, then wickedly smiled with an alluring posture while smoking, "Yes, if the conditions permitted. Then again, you can always consider gang r*ping him."
  我郑重点了点头,适时奸笑一下表示赞许,暗示她我是跟她同一国的,得不到就要毁掉嘛,不能便宜了其他男人。
I seriously thought about that option, nodding every so often and showing a sinister smile to express my praise for her suggestion. She and I were the alike. If one cannot obtain something, one should destroy it rather than let a man take advantage of this golden opportunity.
  当然我还在忧郁。
Of course, I was still dejected.
  声色犬马的世界里,女人总是有撩人的唇,恶毒的牙,还有漂亮的斗篷遮挡一切,我丝毫不奇怪,我唯一奇怪的是,为什么“魅色”夜总会的老板,所有性感小姐的上司,邓垅,该死的会是个不喜欢女人的同性恋呢?
Clearly, the sensual pleasures of the world had an unwritten rule for women's existence to rely on her attractive lips and sinister teeth, but each must also possess a beautiful cloak to shelter those features. I don't find this rule the slightest bit strange. The only thing I do find strange is the reason why Mei Se's (魅色) nightclub owner aka. the sexy ladies' superior is that wretched boss, Deng Long. Damn it! How is it possible that this kind of owner is not fond of women, but instead fancy men?
  我出离愤怒了。
I was really angry.
  这么重要的情报,局里居然没有搞到或者百度到,而我堂堂一个方警官沦落为“玛丽小姐”近乎一个礼拜,毫无建树,根本找不到任何接近他的机会。
Such vital information, yet the office unexpectedly did not get a hold of it, nor did the search engine Baidu, and as a result, I, the dignified Police Officer Fang (方), was reduced to acting as Miss Mary (玛丽) for almost a week with barely any contribution because I couldn't find a way to get closer to him.  
  只因为我不是那该死的“玛丽先生。”
Just because I'm not a damned Mr. Mary (玛丽).
  我四十五度角仰望夜空,突然明白了,我方亮亮不是来当卧底的,我是来搞笑的。    I looked at the night sky at a forty-five degree angle, and unexpectedly realized that I, Fang Liang Liang (方亮亮), am not here to hide as an undercover agent, but am here to be funny.
  我的情绪低落到极点,但是还来不及撞墙结束荒唐的人生,妈妈桑就嗖得踢开门,短暂扫视后,锐利的视线落在我和莉莉莎身上,血红的唇张开了,一张一闭,像是一台无情的ATM吞钱机,“怎么?老娘请你们来聊天嗑瓜子的啊,还不给老娘出去干活!”
My mood took a nose dive, but it was too late to knock my head against a wall and end this absurd life. Mama-san (妈妈桑) had just kicked the door open, briefly sweeping her eyes over the room with her keen line of sight before locating Lilisha and I chatting. Her blood red lips opened and closed like a heartless ATM machine swallowing money, "Did this old woman ask you to come here to gossip and crack melon seeds? Ah, go back to work!"
  河东狮吼一出,老油条莉莉莎慵懒站起来,水蛇腰一扭一扭,扭到了妈妈桑的旁边,娇滴滴笑,“妈妈桑,我可没偷懒,我那个熟客王总啦,超喜欢我嘴里那瓜子味呢,上次还问我磕的什么牌子呢,我说傻瓜瓜子啊,你猜他怎么说的”
Like a shrewish wife, old fox Lilisha languidly stood up. She twisted and swung her hips until she arrived at Mama-san's side and cutely smiled, "Mama-san, I was not goofing off, my one frequent visitor, Wang Zong (王总), is quite fond of the taste of my cracked melon seeds. Can you guess what that fool said about my melon seeds?"
莉莉莎勾嘴角笑得不正经,“他让我每次陪他之前先磕磕瓜子润润口气,滋补着呢。”
Lilisha struck out a corner of her mouth to form a frivolous smile, "Whenever he visits, he'll always let me crack melon seeds first to moisten my mouth. He says it's quite nourishing."
  在场人的嘴角都抽搐了,妈妈桑踢着她的屁股,怒吼,“下回给老娘把牙刷干净了再出去。简直坏我魅色的招牌。”
Whoever was present in the room, had the corner of their mouths twitch. Mama-san kicked her butt and bellowed, "Next time, let this old woman handle a toothbrush to clean your mouth. Again, go out. Practically spoiling, my, Mei Se's, reputation for business."
  莉莉莎笑得更得意。
Lilisha laughed, still proud of herself.
  人在屋檐下不得不低头,我赔笑经过妈妈桑时,她严厉的视线依然狠狠撅住我,狮吼一触即发,我用脚趾头猜也知道,菜鸟永远是统治阶级菜盆中的鹌鹑,美味并且疏于抵抗。
People under this roof had no choice, but to bow their heads to Mama-san. I smiled apologetically as I passed by Mama-san. Her strict line of sight stayed firmly on me. The lioness could shriek at any moment. I prepared my toes for her attack. I knew too well that the rookie is always the quail, the target dish, in the ruling class because it's a delicacy that is lacking in resistance.
  菜鸟确实没有抵抗的力量,但不意味着她没有猥琐的力量。
It is true that a rookie does not have resistance to power, but that doesn't mean that I was an insignificant force.
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