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vhstown · 9 months

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42!MILES BOXING AU

a wiki-style post — by @vhstown <3

HELLO this is just some extra background info i came up with for the earth-42 boxing au i wrote about in my two-shot fic time out

all of the ideas in this post i came up with by myself! nothing to do with x reader this is just totally nerdy au rambling (how id envision this au in a comic book / fighting shonen etc)

i don't write fighting stories and im not a boxer so soz if any info is unrealistic i just be making this up fr. it's fiction have fun w it!

spoilers for the fic? i guess? i basically just mansplain EVERY little detail cuz i don't have the balls to write a series

a little contents page for your sanity:

KEY FIGURES: Miles G Morales "The Prowler" // Norman Osborn // Harry Osborn "The Green Goblin" // Wilson Fisk "Kingpin" // Adrian Toomes "The Vulture"

THE UNIVERSE AT LARGE: Boxing generations // Sports journalism // Human enhancement and experimentation // Boxing and the criminal underworld

KEY FIGURES

Miles G Morales / "The Prowler"

The big man himself! Started out boxing with his Uncle Aaron after his father's death as a way to cope and get closer to his uncle.

Aaron is pretty well-versed in boxing and likely competed back with the older generation of boxers in Earth 42. Likely fought alongside Miles' dad Jefferson too back in the day and that's why Miles takes particular interest.

Miles' mom is hesitant about letting him go to Las Vegas to compete (drawing parallels from 1610!Rio not wanting Miles to move out of state for college) but eventually gives in.

I think in this case aging up Miles would be appropriate considering he's fighting adults but who says a 15-17 year old can't take on fully grown adults (fiction!!!!)

Miles gains temporary fame after beating "The Vulture" who is an old generation boxer.

Miles wants to make his family proud and also take the opportunity to make money so his mom can live comfortably but obviously that goes wrong because his manager is...

Norman Osborn

One of the sport's big shots. Has a LOT of the industry under his influence and potentially rigs matches?

Miles' first manager — Osborn takes on Miles but later lets him go because he's not "worth" the investment (which has nothing to do with actually winning as you'll see later.)

Involved in illegal human enhancement and experimentation, particularly on:

Harry Osborn / "The Green Goblin"

The boxer that takes out Miles in one punch and gets Miles' contract nullified

No consistent fighting style, flimsy and appearing to be nothing like an actual boxer but his win streak is building like no other boxer.

He's juiced up on something 😭 This is one of the main plot points of the AU where boxers and other athletes are being experimented on to acquire "superhuman" qualities. Norman is basically experimenting on his own son (for reasons maybe similar to the canon Green Goblin? Perhaps because his son wanted to be a boxer but couldn't because of a degenerative disease.)

Motivation for Miles would be to fight him again but obviously he can't immediately after losing so he has to build up his wins again and so he goes to:

Wilson Fisk / "Kingpin"

Ex heavyweight boxer and champion, probably an older generation of boxers that came before all the experimental stuff and is now a manager and big-shot and rivals with Norman.

His main thing is rigging matches and earning money through betting systems that only he profits from.

Used to manage "The Vulture" who left his contract after being beaten by Miles.

Miles goes under a contract with him after Fisk takes an interest in his win against The Vulture, and now he's masked boxer (which is pretty uncommon I heard so he sticks out and becomes popular again pretty fast) with the ring name "the Prowler"

Miles very quickly realises that Fisk is shady and he decides to break through the rigged matches that he's meant to lose and win anyway which only builds his popularity and the people betting on him.

Fisk sees opportunity in this and decides to let Miles do his own thing so that he can take down his rival Norman Osborn when Miles finally fights against The Green Goblin again.

Adrian Toomes / "The Vulture"

Long-time boxer with an unbeatable win streak, lightweight champion. By the time Miles is fighting him he's on the brink of retirement but stubbornly fights him anyway only to lose.

More of a minor villain at the start however after being let go by Fisk he turns to Norman Osborn and his experimental technology to make a come back and hopefully face off with Miles Morales again.

THE UNIVERSE AT LARGE

A quick note on "generations" of boxers

Old generation = Aaron's boxing era, prime time to be a boxer more about the sport less about the money, fame, etc.

New/second generation = Includes the Sinister Six and experimental work and crime and the whole shebang. Miles experiences boxing through this generation.

Sports journalism

The Bugle is not only a source of everyday news but they have a department dedicated solely to sports journalism!

In my fic MJ is the one who reports on Miles' win however there's definitely Gwen Stacy potential! A rookie journalist doing an internship at the Bugle and might help out Miles on his boxing endeavours (or you could sneak in an x journalist!reader if you're cheeky.)

If you wanted to take a more classic Gwen route you'd probably involve her in the next thing which is:

Human enhancement and experimentation

Oscorp in some capacity would exist in this universe, likely using the front of a company that supports athletes and their development with their technology.

Osborn uses the company's power and tech to fuel the regeneration of his son Harry Osborn and puts him into boxing (as Harry wanted.)

This technology eventually branches out into other boxers in a new-generation of genetically modified boxers — also the opponents that Miles would have to fight, likely in the form of the Sinister Six (including The Vulture.)

All of the experimentations have weaknesses to them that Miles can take advantage of (e.g. The Green Goblin is only a threat if he can land a hit.)

Boxing and the criminal underworld

Miles Morales soon realises that boxing and the sports world in general is just a massive front for criminal activity.

As he fights more and more matches under Fisk he realises the true extent of not only Fisk's world but the entirety of the boxing world in this "second generation" of boxers.

Aaron quit boxing for this exact reason and him and Miles eventually work together to take it down.

Potential for Miles to be the regular Prowler here? It's pretty much open-ended so he could be written as a vigilante with his usual gear or as a fists-only fighting shonen protagonist.

May include some link as to why Miles' father died? I kept it pretty ambiguous in my fic so he could be a police officer or ex-boxer or whatever you'd like — point is, his father's death motivates Miles to take over the boxing sphere!

a note from me

hello hello this is vee! amateur writer and even more amateur athlete (im not an athlete at all 😭)

this is just a post of my personal ideas, again none of this is canon i just put a lil spin on the original villains

if you're going to write this please tag me because id love to see!!!!!!!! even if it's not related to anything in this post AT ALL if you write or draw anything to do with boxer miles please tag me i am Starving

none of these ideas are very refined and open to change / adaptation! feel free to tack on your own ideas too

i highly doubt anybody's read this but if you did i appreciate u 😭🙏

MAKE MORE ATSV AUS PLEASE (frothing at the mouth)

ill edit or reblog this with any other ideas i might have so this is subject to change i guess <3 have a good one

#vee rants #vhstown #miles g morales #miles gonzalo morales #prowler miles #miles 42 #spiderman atsv #atsv #spiderman across the spiderverse #across the spiderverse #atsv fanfiction #spider man: across the spider verse #atsv au

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oliveroctavius · 10 months

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Hi, it's me again!

Do you know if there's a playlist somewhere of what music the Coffee Gang would listen to?

I feel like maybe a few artists were mentioned in the comics from what I've read so far, but I wonder if you had an inkling/headcanon/any idea what the characters would enjoy.

... Now that I'm thinking about it, the weird temporality of comics might make this an issue...

Oh this is a super fun question which I have no ready-made answer for. (If anyone reading this does have a playlist made or opinions on the subject, share 'em in the notes!)

Going by the comics timeline, I'd start with late 60s/early 70s rock and disco hits. MJ seems the most tuned into new music by way of youth culture and dance venues. Stuff by the Beatles, Beach Boys, Monkees, the Foundations, the whole top 40s list. (ASM #45/130)

Emphasis on female solo acts, maybe: MJ pulls an Aretha Franklin album from Peter & Harry's shelf, and I bet she likes Nancy Sinatra. Wherever she goes, the first thing she does is often to turn on some tunes. For the most part, she's the group tastemaker.

As for Peter, I'm guessing this ask was prompted by ASM 136:

It's a running joke that being Spidey keeps him a decade behind [current date] pop culturally. Ella Fitzgerald's career dates back to the 30s; I like to think that most of Peter's music taste + collection is inherited from Uncle Ben and Aunt May. Though humorously cynical nerd Pete might've had time to latch onto Tom Lehrer pre spider-bite, the way some modern high schoolers have a Weird Al phase.

The Osborn-Parker record collection is probably mostly Harry's, covering similar cultural territory to MJ's tastes. Maybe there's a never-opened Wagner opera in there courtesy of Norman. The girl on the cover of Hip Hug-Her always reminds me of Gwen, but I have no idea where her music taste might go. Movie soundtracks, maybe?

ASM 151 has notes on JJJ's music collection, of all people: Guy Lombardo, good lord. (And Mantovani is an orchestra conductor.)

Flash is a bit mysterious because his background took a while to fill in. In the far future of ASM 574, he listens to Tom Waits on Peter's recommendation. I was kind of nursing the headcanon that his dad kept Johnny Cash around the house and referred it to the only music for real men left in the world but rarely played any of it, until Flash got around to listening on his own and to his surprise really emotionally connected with it and reclaimed it into his own music taste...

In any case, there's a bit of music still left once Gwen leaves the scene. Kung Fu Fighting is PeterMJ's song, for one.

One of the last big nights out of the classic era is to the disco in SSM 24! This delightfully camp villainous music group is unfortunately not available on any music platforms, but KC and the Sunshine Band, the Bee Gees, the Jacksons and the Trammps certainly are.

And finally, based on this random panel whose issue I've forgotten, I like to think MJ got everyone into new wave at some point. The B-52s, Talking Heads and the Waitresses have reminded me of her. I also think her modeling connections would introduce her to the NYC weird art scene of that era, like Klaus Nomi, Grace Jones, and Laurie Anderson. By that time it would mostly be the Watson-Parker music taste, though.

Well, that's a whole lot of links to individual songs and not a coherent playlist at all, but I wanted to cover as many different bands/eras/ideas as I could work in. I'm sure I missed some though.

#ok HERE'S weird trivia: the Aretha album in ASM 130 didn't exist when that issue came out #but a compilation album by that name did come out in 1980. seven years later #coffee bean gang #comics #olivertxt

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fanfiction-artist-prototype · 11 months

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I see you too are making a spidersona :eyes: may I share some lore/ideas around mine?

why yes of course Castle, I'd love for you to lore/idea share!! But only if you excuse the lore/art dump im about to drop on here for mine!!

I wanted to take the gwen stacey approach to spidersona's but obviously playing into the self-insert fun aspect of it as well! So we have my oc Jane Johanna Jamerson - niece/ ward of James Jonah Jamerson talking head and head of the Daily Bugle.

Jane is this worlds MJ, Harvey Oswald is this worlds Harry Osborne and of course you have Peter Parker because I wanted a trio in a spiderstory again!

Jane lives with her uncle because of circumstances and got bitten by a spider from Oscrops research when her, peter and Harvey were all playing in the main research building, because Norman Osborne let them play in his office whilst he was in a meeting and they went and explored - thats how she got her powers.

Most of the villains in this universe are a result of escaped Oscorp experiments or intervention form the company, so you have Curt Conners as Lizard obviously, but the Vulture is less tech inclined in this universe and more infected by Oscorp with modified vulture DNA - yes that means he has a twinge of cannibalism in this version! Rhino was tech-inclined at first but ended up taking his 'mysterious benefactor' aka Norman Osborne up on his offer to become a super solider the likes of which the world hasn't thought to create since Captain America. (the universe is set just before cap awakens from his ice nap so he's nothing more than history at the start of Lumo's journey)

Jane is called Lumo-Spider because of my recent obsession with Zinc Oxide, which is luminescent at room temperature and so I wanted her to have glowy webs, and so i decided that her spider had zinc oxide production as one of its unknown but mundane mutations - so Lumo's webs both glow in darker spaces but also have really good conductivity based on temperature! Which means she's accidentally lethal to those that get caught in the crosshairs of her and Electro's fights in the winter.

She got bitten around age 12 and exhibited signs of the X-gene (actually the spider mutations) so Jamerson sent her off to be evaluated by Xaviour's school for gifted children, where they quickly concurred she was an artificial mutant - similar to deadpool or Wolverine where she didn't posess the X-gene but outside forces had forced her body to accommodate what should have been handled by the x-gene causing adverse side effects. For her its not being able to control her abilities. Her uncle is under the assumption that she's simply got super strength and that's the limitations because the school help her cover her other abilities and spider-like mannerisms up because she -and the school- are worried that her uncle might disown her, and she's one of the only 'mutant' children that seems to have a supporting family willing to keep their child and nobody wants to risk that.

Oscorp starts being the villains after Lumo's first spin around new york. I'm thinking she was training part time to control her powers so the x-men gave her a training suit that she personalised with her friends help (because i know in some of the cartoons, and older comics i have that students at the school got their own x-men suits as like a 'pe uniform' even if they weren't going out into the field) and they came to the conclusion that a competitor stole their feasible spider mutation and made their own super soldier and decide to try and capture Lumo to figure out who she works for.

Her canon event doesn't happen till she's eighteen, when she finds Peter Parker mauled to death by the Lizard and Vulture, after her uncle sends Peter out to cover a prison break case and tells him not to come back without pictures, putting him in the crosshairs. It's what forces her to break free form her uncles side because he considers lumo 'worse than the x-men' because she's just another law breaking vigilante but she can't even keep other mutated from killing NY citizens and she can't ever imagine her telling him turning out well and now he's 'gotten peter killed'.

Harvey ends up being the Green Goblin rather than Hobgoblin here, but i could literally do an entire post just on ideas for Harvey.

Also the second picture is my FAVOURITE idea for this spidersona.

Little 14 year old Jane getting seriously injured and for the first time in the 2 years she's been fighting not knowing how to hide it, not knowing how she's supposed to keep this hidden, especially since she's got two massive facial injuries, who got hurt before she put the suit on and had just enough time to change back before she was found by rescue teams because she was in a half-collapsed building.

Jamerson is on the ground reporting for this one because it's Lumo's most destructive fight yet and he's prepping with his cameraman going on a rant when the camerman points Jane out to him and all Jamerson can see when he sees his niece - who should be at home, oh god she'd been walking home from SCHOOL when the attack started, to be bleeding this badly she must have been caught in it from the beginning, why hadn't he thought to phone her to make sure she was okay!?- is the seven year old girl who he had to take in because there was nobody left who could - or would do it properly.

#spidersona

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samasmith23 · 7 months

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Kaine, Peter Parker, and The Greatest Responsibility

One of the elements of superhero comics that I love the most is writer's ability to work around otherwise bad creative decisions by following them up with books that build legitimately worthwhile storylines and character developments. Talented writers are perfectly capable of even though plenty of comic book publishers are fully capable of making something good out of something bad. Case in point, one of my favorite arcs from otherwise infamous Spider-Man: Clone Saga era is The Greatest Responsibility storyline, which heavily course-corrects the Saga's absolute lowest point, Maximum Clonage, while simultaneously fleshing out the characters of Peter Parker and his clone brother Kaine!

So one of the very scenes from Maximum Clonage that I actually enjoyed was the moment immediately before Kaine was seemingly unceremoniously killed off by Spidercide (fortunately, Kaine is later revealed to have survived his injuries...). Here, the failed Spider-Man clone experiences yet another precognitive vision of Peter Parker's then-pregnant wife Mary Jane being killed by an unknown assailant. Kaine's precognitive visions are essentially a more unstable version of the spider-sense, and ever since Kaine followed Ben Reilly back to New York he's repeatedly experienced ominous future visions of MJ dying, although he could never identity the one responsible for her murder since their face was heavily obscured by the shadows. Only this time Kaine actually sees the face of the mysterious assassin (even though his face is still unknown to the reader), and the answer absolutely mortifies Kaine to his very core!

As much as Kaine despises Ben since he believes Ben is the original Spider-Man and therefore could never truly understand the pain he suffers as a failed-clone, Kaine actually has a great deal of empathy towards Peter Parker since he saw Peter as a clone-brother who was given the chance at living a happy life that Kaine was denied due to his cellular degeneration. That's why Kaine went to great lengths to preserve Peter and Mary Jane's happiness, doing whatever he could to prevent Reilly from returning to New York, as well as murdering the Grim Hunter and Doctor Octopus when he started experiencing the visions of MJ's demise.

But right before Spidercide near-fatally wounds Kaine in Maximum Clonage, Kaine experiences a vision wherein the face of MJ's killer is finally revealed, and the answer legitimately shocks and horrifies Kaine. It's revealed later in the 2-part Time Bomb storyline that MJ's mysterious killer from Kaine's visions was none other than Peter Parker himself!

It turns out that back during the original 1970s Clone Saga when the Jackal first captured and cloned Peter he placed a post-hypnotic suggestion into Peter's subconcious that would activate after the Jackal fell death to his death at the end of Maximum Clonage, forcing Peter to kill those he loved the most. Thankfully, Mary Jane was able to help Peter overcome the Jackal's mental-brainwashing (meaning that MJ was technically the one who finally eliminated the that smug grinning green jackass once and for all! Joy!).

But it was this culmination of Kaine's precognitive visions & the Jackal's post-mortem brainwashing of Peter which effectively builds up to Peter's decision to finally retire as Spider-Man and pass down the torch to Ben Reilly in The Greatest Responsibility storyline!

If Maximum Clonage was the first FAILED attempt at trying to end The Clone Saga (like, it so badly botched that it actually ended up prolonging the Saga even further) then The Greatest Responsibility is both the creator's apology for Maximum Clonage as well as a more successful ending to the first half of The Clone Saga (the very last story of the Saga ended up being Revelations, which saw the resurrection of Norman Osborn, aka the original Green Goblin).

The strongest element of The Greatest Responsibility storyline is how the writers utilized Mary Jane’s pregnancy and Peter’s growing fears of being a neglectful father as the catalyst that reinforces the latter's decision to retire as a superhero. This idea is much more grounded & relatable Maximum Clonage's portrayal of Peter & Ben trying to stop the Jackal idiotic plan to kill the entire human population and replace them with clones (which is the stupidest evil villain plan that I've ever heard in my life!). Spidey’s stories have always been centered around the human aspects of life that readers could easily relate to, as well as the responsibilities that one must endure and accept. In essence, that’s why this story is titled The Greatest Responsibility, since over the course of the story he realizes that his upcoming responsibilities as a father will become more important than being Spider-Man, and it acts as a reference to Aunt May’s statement to Peter & MJ in Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #400, "The Gift," that “there’s no greater responsibility in the world than raising a child...” before passing away.

Peter's decision to retire is effectively built up in not just this story, but from previous Clone Saga stories as well. In addition to the aforementioned Time Bomb arc, The Trial of Peter Parker storyline included a highly controversial scene where Peter accidentally struck MJ when she tried to stop him from strangling Ben after discovering that he was actually clone and Ben the original (though I’m honestly not too offended by it; Pete was acting like a raging lunatic and didn’t know it was MJ before it was too late). Peter even references his guilt over this moment in The Greatest Responsibility, as he fears that both his accidental hitting of MJ combined with the Jackal's post-mortem hypnotic which Kaine prophesied, will cause his life as Spider-Man to create an unhealthy and abusive relationship with his wife. Fears which are further cemented when MJ is poisoned due to the fetus inheriting Peter’s radioactive blood.

Peter’s growing love for his soon-to-be born child also effectively builds up his decision to retire, as when he and MJ feel the baby’s first kick, all Peter becomes so excited about being a father that he is doesn’t care that he’s a clone anymore. Because of his upcoming responsibilities as a father, Peter starts to become more cautious as Spider-Man when he is nearly killed in a fight against the new female Doctor Octopus (aka, Carolyn Trainer), as is afraid of the baby growing up without him, and when the baby is in danger of dying with MJ, Peter puts all his effort in might into retrieving the cure stolen by Doctor Octopus. And while the new Doc Ock is one of the weaker elements of The Greatest Responsibility arc (her evil plan is to conquer virtual reality or some such bullcrap...), the writers effectively utilize the revelation of her being the daughter of Ben Reilly's best friend and confidant, Dr. Seward Trainer to further build up Peter's fears, as Carolyn hated Trainer for being a neglectful father to her when she was a child and focused more on his scientific research.

And Peter's decision to quit being Spider-Man and focus on his upcoming responsibilities as a father ultimately end up fulfilling Kaine's wishes of preserving & maintaining the happiness that Peter & MJ have found for themselves. Living the life that was denied to Kaine by the Jackal…

Overall the emphasis placed on Peter’s fears of becoming a neglectful father, as well as the build up that led up to his decision to retire, was not only exceptionally well-handled, but was a much more respectful farewell for his role as Spider-Man than having him constantly whine about being a clone and willingly join the Jackal like he did in Maximum Clonage. I can't help but greatly respect how the writers were able to take what were easily the most despised moments of the entire Clone Saga (i.e. the Maximum Clonage arc as a whole, plus the controversial Peter hitting MJ scene), and managed to rectify those past mistakes by instead using them to tell a better story later on!

It’s why I've always said that if Maximum Clonage was the first badly-botched attempt to end The Clone Saga, then The Greatest Responsibility arc was the creator's letter of apology for the previous trainwreck since it’s much more satisfying ending to the Saga's first half! Act I ends with Peter and MJ walk off into the sunset to raise their soon-to-be-born child, while Ben Reilly accepts his responsibility as the all-new Spider-Man for Act II!

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ch4tk4t · 6 months

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Comics Fangirl n°1 - Into the fangirlverse:

Today's review is about "What if? Dark: Spider-Gwen"/2023

Plot by Gerry Conway & Jody Houser

Art by Ramon F Bachs and Dee Cunniffe

Welcome to this first "Comics Fangirl", where i use my fangirl super powers I got by being bit by a radioactive super-fan for good, as with great power, MUST also come great responsibility.

Get ready for a true superhero action thriller, packed to the brim with thrills and chills, twists and turns, more super-vilains than you can shake a web at, and of course, non-stop web-slinging ACTION !

So if you're not aware yet, Gwen Stacy is theorized to be a trans wowan in the latest spider-movie, "Across the Spider-verse". Needless to say, most of the "fan base" is up in arms AGAINST the idea. That, in my humble opinion, is because most of the "spider-fan base" is a bunch of racist incels. I, as a TRUE spider-fan hold the only true true. This is f*cking comics, you f*cking nerds. Cry some more, #Gwenistrans. Now that THAT'S sorted out, moving on to my review.

First off, my eyes bleed every time I have to witness Greg Land's... "art". Motherf*cker can't even find something new to trace over, I feel I've seen this "o-face" a BILLION times already (I'm not being funny here, Greg is KNOWN for tracing over porn 😑)

Spoilers for this comics from here on out, you have been warned. Also, minor spoilers for Ghost-Spider's backstory.

It's one of comics most well known event, but in case you didn't know, the main universe Gwen Stacy died years ago, during a fight between Spider-Man and the green goblin. Only this time, it's Peter that dies, hitting his head as he jumps to save Gwen.

I love this alternate universe, because usually the "What ifs" involve someone acting out of character or something ludicrous happening to set the events into motion. Only this time it's Peter not thinking of his personal safety as he saves the woman of his life (MJ and him start dating after Gwen's death), which is 100% in character.

Gwen discovers Peter's secret identity as she drags his lifeless body from the water. Instinctively, she gets rid of his costume. I love the way she INSTANTLY knows what Peter would've wanted, as I'm sure he wouldn't want any of his ennemies knowing who he was, especially now that he can't protect his loved ones.

Instead of just grieving though, our girl Gwen starts scheming. She's going to take revenge on the green goblin. Only problem, she has no super-powers, and no training. That won't stop her, as she enlists Harry Osborn's help to spring a trap for the gliding menace. What she doesn't tell Harry is that she plans on killing the goblin, using her late father's gun.

She baits Osborn senior by acting like Spider-Man survived their last encounter. When the Goblin falls into her trap, she points the gun at him, ready to shoot.

At the last minute though, she changes her mind, proving once more the love and understanding she has for Parker. Peter wasn't a killer, and she won't become one in his name. So this is the part where my eyes started leaking for some odd reason.

Sadly, Harry, overtaken by grief (and probably overcompensating for missing Pete's funeral) shoots the Goblin in the chest, not aware of his true identity. When Norman dies in front of his son, Harry snaps, telling Gwen he holds her responsible for his father's death, exacerbating her already existing guilt.

This is the start of this Gwen's journey as a spider-person. As far as spider-folks go, that's pretty f*cking metal.

So I want to touch on the fact this is now the second "Spider-Gwen" who fights crime WITHOUT SUPER POWERS. First of all, #SlayQueenYaaas. Secondly, I can't help but read this as a metaphor for Gwen being trans.

In case you didn't know (we can't all be virgins, I understand) Ghost-Spider, mostly know as "Spider-Gwen", also doesn't have super-powers at the moment (at least when the writers actually REMEMBER THAT). She lost them during a story where she compensated using a version of the venom symbiote, which she tames in about one issue, one-upping Peter like no one's business.

I may be over thinking this, but I view that fact as a parallel to her transness. Much like the fact she doesn't have the same "powers" as cis people, she doesn't have the powers most spider-people have, and she has to work twice as hard to achieve the same results as them. Also, Ghost-Spider has no secret identity in her universe, and I couldn't help but see that as a trans thing. You KNOW people IRL would out her the first chance they got. Or maybe that's just me, I don't know.

So in case that wasn't clear, I loved this comic. The plot was good, and I loved the art. If you plan on picking it up (I just spoiled most of the plot, but you do you) consider pirating it, in case you don't know Disney funds war criminals.

I give this comic nuff'said/10

Talk to you later, true believers.

Fangirl out.

#Comics #Comic-books #Comics review #Gwen Stacy #Gwen is trans #Ghost-spider is trans #Cry more ya nerd #What if #Greg land #Comics fangirl #Into the fangirlverse #Comics Fangirl #Comic fangirl

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a-flickering-soul · 2 years

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i've been getting into spg for the last few months now, and i'm noticing there's really not much about these characters on the internet. (the spg wiki is Very Short.) you mind unpacking some lore about the bots?

(this is also an invitation to infodump. believe me when i say i Want to hear about these funky little automatons)

Sorry about the two lengthy SPG asks in one day! I'm putting this one below the cut because it is LITERALLY 2.4k man I did NOT come to play with this one! For what it's worth, you may find this ask interesting, as I've linked some good lore sources I frequent a lot :)

Rabbit: The first to be built! She named herself Rabbit after one of the animals in the lab she was built in, which I think is very endearing of her. She's Victorian clockwork/steampunk-inspired, and out of all the automatons is the one to maintain the most of her original vintage workings, which means she's also the one to malfunction the most <3 girl things fr. Rabbit is a wonderful character because she is Bunny Bennett's special special OC and gets to have so so many problems because of it. I am serious when I say most things usually happen to Rabbit. She is the Special Girl of SPG lore. This is NOT my own bias showing up, I PROMISE.

Rabbit has everything bad happen to her. Red Core, which is THEE Rabbit comic and something I read on a semi-regular basis to experience shrimp emotions through, goes through her backstory being trans (this robot is trans) and it peels me every time. I won't recap it but I think everyone who likes trans robots should read it even though it is as of yet incomplete. Lore-wise, it's interesting because it establishes that she was originally meant to look like Delilah Morreo (certainly a choice, Peter Walter I), and was sent to war in an incomplete, half-broken body which I certainly have a lot of thoughts about (it's the lack of AGENCY it's the way she spent the war VOICELESS it's the way she was denied the chance to be finished for a CENTURY it's--). Following that, about half a century later it was her core specifically that was stolen by the Beciles in 1950 in an attempt to replicate her Blue Matter power source. This tinkering inadvertently sent a beam of pure energy ripping through time and space, causing an explosion that claimed the lives of Peter Walter II and Guy Hottie (real name), and injuring Peter Walter III, Ignatius Becile, and Norman Becile. Rabbit, to this day, still blames herself for this because god forbid women have one good day. This also was the point in time that split the events of the Vice Quadrant into Timelines A and B, due to the generative power of Blue Matter, and also maybe created Cosmica? Which begs the question if Rabbit is sort of like Cosmica's mom in a weird way, but that's beside the point. In 2014, her original blueprints were discovered after a series of worsening malfunctions led Peter Walter VI to search for a way to repair or upgrade her, resulting in the confirmation of what Rabbit had known all along--that she was in an unfinished and slipshod chassis, that she was a girl, and she deserved to be recognized as such. Which is cool :') and a really neat way to work in her creator's IRL transition :') and for sure doesn't make me feel things.

Some cool facts I've just gleaned about Rabbit over the past eight-odd months are that she has memory problems, fell in love with a toaster, knows what BDSM is (SWEAR to god this is true), likes feeding ducks, and has a laser cannon in one eye, hence the heterochromia. There also is this cool series of drawings showing Rabbit's evolution drawn by Bunny here, which is really interesting to look at! In case it's not obvious, she's my favorite and I love her and I think about her too much <3

The Spine: The Spine is a special, special old man. With a retro-futuristic aesthetic, he was built with a titanium alloy spine (that's his Back Story), and before he got upgrades in 1955, was fashioned with a high amount of steam vents running up and down his vertebrae that kind of looked like old-fashioned train smokestacks, which is very endearing. In 1955, as I mentioned earlier, he got a ton of upgrades funding exclusively by the US government improving his weaponry, as well as an upgrade to his AI and programming making him much more humanistic, more personable and more able to mimic how humans moved in order to make it easier, once they were inevitably drafted again, for him to take up dangerous military operations without risking human lives. It's to my knowledge unclear if he was built like this or if this was part of that 1955 upgrade, but he is also able to detach his head and spine from his torso and limbs and actually slither around like a snake, which some people think is weird but I think is very endearing and fun! He hangs out a lot in the Hall of Wires since he's one of the few inhabitants of Walter Manor that can actually climb up towards the ceiling and presumably debug or repair the AIs, and also because it's the only room in the entire Manor with a door.

I love the Spine because I think the evolution of his role in the band is incredibly funny. If you watch the earlier Balboa and Zoo-era performances, he plays the straight man of the band in a stoic, but also kind of dumb way. He doesn't really know what's a bit and what's serious, but it's okay because he's really trying his best. Now, as the straight man of the group, he's so so old and tired. He really just wants to go back home and power off and who can blame him? By dint of the current lineup being a Black robot, a trans gay robot, and a white guy robot, he is now the butt by default of most jokes which is delightful to Me and boy, does he shoulder that weight with begrudging grace. My special, special old man. Watching him get made fun of onstage is kind of like watching someone give a very old and tired dog a pill, and I mean that in the most affectionate way possible.

Cool facts about the Spine include the fact that he's really into cowboys and the Wild West, he has actually never really been in love, he secretly thinks Saturdays are Just Okay, and he actually swears the most out of all of the members of the band (at least as of now).

The Jon: The Jon is an interesting little guy. He has a cool Art Deco style and is known for being a little more whimsical, young, and off-the-cuff as opposed to the others. What's interesting about his backstory is that while Peter Walter I was mucking around with his power core trying to bring him to life, some switch flipped or some level was triggered and a minor explosion occurred. By the time the smoke cleared, the Jon was alive and sentient and there was a void in his chest instead of a power source. Unlike his siblings, he didn't run on clockwork, or hydraulics, or anything of the sort. He appeared to sustain himself on the void sealed in his chassis, which contained only a koi fish and a hot dog floating in space. He tends to have a certain effect on people blurring the lines between fantasy and reality, and odd coincidences seem to follow him like a well-trained dog.

In 1992, the Jon went through his own upgrade--Walter Robotics, always looking for ways to boost their quarterly revenue, signed an ad deal with PepsiCo advertising Crystal Pepsi. The Jon was modified to run solely on Crystal Pepsi, which. . . as you can see by the popularity of Crystal Pepsi right now (sarcasm), it obviously didn't go well. The Jon's efficiency is tied to an out-of-production soda and his machinery refused to be retroactively fitted to water again. To prevent the inevitable from happening, he left around 2012 through one of those Blue Matter portals through to a sister dimension (in fact, the same one Peter Walter I discovered back in 1896) known as Kazooland, where we are assured he now serves as the Mayor of Biscuittown (presumably, it is up to us to determine how much of this is true and how much of it is the Jon trying to sound cool).

Cool facts about the Jon include the fact that he and Zer0 are besties, animals love him, and that the very first show that Steam Powered Giraffe did all the way back in 2009 was about them going back in time to get him more Crystal Pepsi.

Upgrade: I used to be neutral about Upgrade but then I watched all the busking videos and also the 10 year anniversary show and now I love her. She was the Girl Of The Group (TM) all the way back in their busking era in 2009-2010 and her ongoing bit was that she was in love with the Spine and also knew exactly how adorable she was. However, she can be stubborn when she wants to be, and her AI is permanently frozen in the QWERTY 1996 OS because she really just liked the 90s I guess.

I for one am completely fascinated by Upgrade's lore because it's noted that during the Weekend War and WWI, she served in the military presumably doing the same sort of things the other bots were doing, then as a medical nurse in WWII, indicating that the governmental military contract really played fast and loose with whether or not they could enlist woman-coded robots in the war effort. What's notable to me, though, is that during the Vietnam War, Upgrade specifically went on to protest the war with the hippy movement while the others served in the war. How did that happen? Were they just allowed to opt out whenever they wanted? Are these robots really willing Vietnam War vets? Did Upgrade out of all of them just have enough guts to run away? Anyways, she was brought back into the fold about four years after the war ended, just in time to a few decades later get Sharpied with facial hair while the robots trial-ran a boy band concept. She ultimately left to go be a princess and become actual royalty. I swear to god I read somewhere that Upgrade killed Princess Diana but for the life of me I cannot find it. Know that it haunts me.

Upgrade facts include the fact that she is an actual princess, her makeup out of all of them is most inspired by classic vaudeville, and it was her and Rabbit's roles during their busking era to banter with the audience while the Spine and the Jon tuned their guitars.

Hatchworth: Hatchworth was built in the frantic few months before Peter Walter I had to face Thaddeus Becile in battle and presumably the poor man was turning anything metal into a robot. Hence, Hatchworth's design--he was initially constructed out of an old-fashioned bronze wood stove. Walter chose this robot to experiment with his Blue Matter levels, and with one tiny change in concentration he accidentally created a Blue Portal into another dimension in his hatch. This was incredibly useful in battle, as almost any weapon could be summoned through the hatch--after the war, it was used to summon sandwiches for the growing Walter family. All was well and good, until an as-of-yet unnoticed hairline fracture in his core began making the portal act unstable, coming to a peak in 1938. After accidentally summoning a pack (herd? flock?) of badgers into the middle of a tea party he was serving, he was determined too damaged to fix for now by anyone other than an ailing Peter Walter I, and locked in a lead vault deep below the manor while Peter Walters II and III tried to find a fix. Decades later, he was found hallucinating and lonely by our boy Peter Walter VI, who was stricken with his own Blue Matter mishap and had an inkling of how to fix the old robot. One thing led to another, and now thankfully we are all 99.9% Hatchworth acclimated!

Hatchworth facts….he left the band to go Gold Fishing (with some degree of success), he has incredibly fancy shoes that are also inexplicably tiny sometimes, he has a Hello Kitty cell phone, he does know how to cross himself, and Zer0 tried to microwave his head once.

Zer0: Myyyyyy sweetest and most special boy Zer0. Zer0 was actually technicallyyyyy the first one built, since he originated from three separate rudimentary prototypes Peter Walter I fused together after testing out various weapon designs. As a result, he's incredibly robust, very powerful, and has a cobbled-together patchwork appearance. Unfortunately, as he didn't have much by way of singing at the time, he fell to the wayside after the Weekend War and was forgotten down in the basements and testing labs sealed miles below Walter Manor. In 1992, the AI Beebop found him while archiving documents and turned him on. Zer0, enamored with the evolution of music over the past century, taught himself how to sing exclusively from the old Motown records in the basement with him. Peter Walter V, upon hearing his voice, was so awestruck that he immediately repaired him and Zer0 became the face of the band (#Zer0OurShiningStar). Zer0 then absolutely skyrocketed in popularity, signed with a TV show, and subsequently became so famous Walter Robotics had to erase all content of him from their market because they lost the rights to his appearance and voice. Sadly, our sweet boy invested all his money in "the abstract concept of love", lost all his money, sold one single copy of a bad autobiography, and came back home to Walter Manor with naught but a yacht to his name. He very graciously returned to performing in Steam Powered Giraffe, where his lovely vocals can be heard to this day.

Zer0 facts include the fact that he got a brand deal to sell his own kind of overly sugary cereal, he fell in love with a "large-chested lamppost" once, he likes possums, he would collect worms on strings if he could, and his defining characteristic is joy <3

I hope this was somewhat readable and comprehensive! I think…..I covered everyone out of the automatons, unless there is another member about to crawl out of the woodwork somewhere. Best of luck in your lore-hunting! I hope this helped :)

#spg #steam powered giraffe #answered #accountofnoparticularinterest #WHEW this was a chunky one i am SO #man i genuinely am having a blast answering these asks i really am these made my past few days #i'm very flattered to be somewhat considered an spg lore trailhead #man i hope this is readable y'all let me know lmao #a lot of this is basically regurgitated from their site just compiled in one place sorry there's not a ton of hugely obscure stuff :(#also some of this may be wrong? but like. a solid 86% of it should be right lol #sorry i have no idea how the readmore possibly moved?? sorry for everyone's dash

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thatonesongyouretryingtoremember · 1 year

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Stranger Things Spiderman AU

There's pictures at the end

I got some ideas from the byler-centric one, but I kinda went hyperfocus mode on El and didn't sleep, so here it is.

I've decided that the kids are 16 when the story takes place, more or less arbitrarily.

Brenner was doing spider-related experiments. As I built out the story more, he's kind of in the place of Norman Osborne I think. Tbh I wasn't too worried about him being in character. He's at this point gotten several human subjects- the lab kids.

Brenner kind of raised El to think she was dangerous to the other kids for (insert whatever the fuck the canon reasoning was which is still beyond me) this is where she starts playing drums (bc I made her as Ghost Spider and Gen Stacey plays drums) Brenner days is so that she can "release all her psychic energy so she doesn't blow the building up" but really there's guards trained to check in if they hear the noise stop in case she escapes.

When Will and MJ/Mike are on a field trip, they find El and help her escape disguised as a student, while another spider lands on Will's jacket unbeknownst to them.

El and the other lab kids always wore plain black and white suits and sweaters, but after El sees Will painting, she gets inspired to customize hers with blue and red or pink (I haven't decided) webs.

El immediately stays with the Byers bc they're isn't the whole yk Will missing thing. I have a convo halfway planned where they decide her cover name is Elenor. Fight me.

El's telekinesis allows her to remain unseen when she starts out so she gets called "The Ghost Hero" until her spider emblem gets spotted, earning the name "The Ghost Spider"

Mikhail is Harry Osborne. Fight me.

Since Mikhail is here, I thought I'd include Enzo and somehow relate him to Oscorp. Most of them are scientists, but then I remembered a Spiderman villain called Rhino who isn't one and who could tie into the whole Spider-Super Soldiers plot.

Will and Mike childhood best friends -> dating, obviously.

I looked up Gwen Stacey (Spider Gwen/ Ghost Spider)'s band name- it's the Mary Janes. I decided to change it to the Mary Sues as a joke bc yk El has powers. Max is obv in the band as well but I haven't decided her instrument yet. I remember the MJs having just girls in the band, so maybe I can incorporate the Goth Girlfriend from Lenora High... or the Art Gfs tbh. I don't know yet whether Max should know about El's powers or anything or whether there's elmax, but I'm not really writing this writing this, so I can pick and choose what's canon by the day. Probably not since she's fresh out of the lab...

Click bc tumblr crops images.

So here's the story: Brenner has the kids in the lab, probably as part of some scheme to have spider super soldiers or something. They all wear plain white suits and plain black and white sweaters. They aren't very warm and don't have even pockets or drawstrings, they really just serve as identification. They also have on marks that are meant to protect them, but they're also intentionally impersonal and not very emotive to keep the kids from socializing. The original design is on the left, and next to it is two of my ideas for color schemes once El customizes it with the spider webs on the sweater sleeves and boots. Cyan with pink-y bright red webs or dark blue with baby pink webs. I also chose to add a heart to the face to make it more "her" and cute bc canon El has homemade hearts in her room, but I'm not sure about the placement. The back of the sweater also has a spider emblem.

Fun fact between all the designs and thumbnails and my app crashing I drew 36 webs :) I'm still not good at them :) I have SO much respect for comic artists that regularly draw Spiderman's web design in action shots repeatedly by hand how tf are some of y'all still alive?

Color scheme thumbnails+progress shoot from when I was going to have cyan highlights on the dark blue boots

I also gave El a secret identity and some civilian clothes! I have a halfway planned conversation of how her identity gets established that I might post later if anyone (read: me) cares enough. I tried to keep some aspects of El's own canon fashion but a little different from Will and Jonathan. I kept her layers and patterns (El's style had my heart) and a stylized version of the sports jersey inspired shirt that she wears at the end of S4. I think adding bracelets and wearing embroidered clothes is something she would do just because it's *more*. Putting more of herself out in stark contrast to her bland uniform. The capri jeans have a heart patch, a flower patch, and a star patch on the keg we can see and decorative top-stitching on the hems. The high top converse have a smiley patch on one and a heart patch on the other and her shirt is embroidered with scattered daisies. Her long striped undershirt (totally stolen from Max) is slightly inspired by Gwen's fingerless gloves looking design in next year's Spiderverse movie. "Long range spider sense" is listed in her powers and just means the weird telepathy grey area that canon El has as opposed to Will's Peter Parker-esque Spider Sense. I also gave her super strength because I wanted to.

On second thought she probably wears running shoes but oh well.

#spider el #<- i think @spideywillandmjwheeler is using this tag?#ill also use #elenor byers #since that's not a tag that's being used otherwise probably...#stranger things spiderman au #song's spidey bullshit

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tavtiers · 1 year

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May I request green goblin/Norman Osborn please?

Of course! Green Goblin is a character I have yet to officially classpect because I have been ruminating on it for a while. At first glance the Green Goblin himself seems to be a Witch of Rage. However, it can be difficult classpecting characters with multiple personalities (such as the Hulk) because it brings up the question of whether the character should have two classpects (or perhaps their classpect and their inverse). In this scenario I try to choose one classpect that fits the character overall (as in, both sides of them).

I am going to focus on Green Goblin from the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies (because it is the one I am most familiar with), with some elements of the comic book character thrown in for when I am missing details.

First, lets look at his backstory.

The comics tell us that Norman Osborn’s father was a failed businessman who took his anger at his failure out on Norman. Because of this, Norman was inspired to succeed in life by any means necessary, even if it meant cheating in school. In the comics he becomes Green Goblin when the Devil offers him the chance at financial success at the cost of his son’s soul. When he agrees, his co-founder of Oscorp is arrested and he becomes the sole owner of the company. He then finds the super-human serum and is driven insane.

Now the movies differ in how he becomes Green Goblin but does his characterization remain the same? Before he experiments on himself with the Green Goblin serum, Osborn is shown to be ambitious, and values Peter (and his success) over Harry, his own son. That being said, he does not appear murderous, merely driven. The serum brings out the worst in him in a separate identity that yearns to give Osborn everything he has not been able to achieve himself. Unfortunately, this separate identity is bent on chaos and destruction.

Now, the biggest issue. While Osborn does seem distraught by the Green Goblin, and is capable of having conversations with him, does he really have two separate identities? Are they distinct enough to have their own classpects? At the end of Spider-Man 1, Osborn appeals to Peter for help, claiming that it was the Goblin that committed all the atrocities. Yet, it appears to be a ruse, as the entire time he is homing his hoverboard to stab Peter in the back (literally). This would imply that Osborn and Goblin are really, to some extent, one person. However, Spider-Man: No Way Home contradicts this. At the end of the movie, Green Goblin is separated from Norman Osborn, and he appears (for the time being at least) to be a sane man.

Taking all of the above into account, I would classpect Norman Osborn (aka the Green Goblin) as a: Thief of Rage.

Thieves start out with a severe lack of their aspect, which causes them to jealously covet it. Also, as with all classpects, the Thief of Rage begins life as their inverse. In this case, they start out as a Page of Hope. The Goblin’s backstory appears to fit this mold. Osborn begins life with a severe deficit in his ability to stand up for himself (Rage) due to his father’s abuse. He is afforded no opportunity for strength or defiance. Instead, he starts out as the underdog able to cling only to the strength of his convictions (Hope). Maybe, if he believes hard enough, his dreams will come true, even when his father’s didn’t. Eventually, the world crushes his naivety and he discovers that the only way for him to succeed is through brutal determination. In order to win where his father lost, he must use every trick he possesses to steal (Thief) his own strength, power, and defiance of restrictions (Rage).

In regards to Norman Osborn and the Green Goblin being two separate identities, they both fit into the role of Thief of Rage in their own ways. More than anything, Green Goblin seems to symbolize Norman’s struggle with the Thief of Rage classpect. Norman has always wanted to succeed by any means necessary, but he must learn to balance ambition with morality. A Thief of Rage can steal defiance for themselves and still be a good person. The Green Goblin, on the other hand, is the Thief of Rage that has let go of all inhibitions. In Osborn’s desire for power, he becomes a monster so bent on achievement he destroys everything he already had. In my opinion, the Green Goblin is what Norman Osborn becomes when he over-embraces his classpect. Osborn realizes that he must be a Thief of Rage to succeed, but goes too far and becomes evil in order to meet that end. When he is “cured” in Spider-Man: No Way Home, he essentially stabilizes. He has not yet realized himself in his classpect (or become his best self), but he is once again on the road to achieving his ambitions without losing his soul in the process.

As a Thief of Rage he would share his classpect with characters such as Cait from Fallout 4 and Sebastian Shaw from X-Men: First Class.

I also used Benjamin Horne from Twin Peaks as a reference for this analysis, who is a Thief of Space.

I hope this helps! I will post his official character classpecting post soon.

#green goblin #norman osborn #thief of rage #spider-man #classpecting #character classpecting #homestuck #my post #ask

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twdmusicboxmystery · 2 years

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Clues in the Writing Credits from @wdway

The wonderful @wdway did a deep dive into which writers are writing these episodes and how they may connect to Beth’s arc and episodes that relate to her. She found some pretty compelling things. Check it out:

@wdway:

Tales was created by Scott Gimple and Channing Powell. We're very familiar with Gimple, and Channing Powell is a writer who's name I remember seeing through the seasons. I didn't think that much about it until my second watch through the episode Dee and noticed the blue Heron painting in the background. I also noticed that the episode writer was Channing Powell.

That's when a rabbit hole opened and I fell in and now pulling you guys in with me.

This is also when the nerdy episode information listing I made came in handy. Channing Powell has written or co-written 17 episodes since joining TWD in s4. She has also written for Fear (I did not go down that rabbit hole) and of course now we have her as not only a writer but the co-creator and showrunner for Tales of the Dead.

The first episode that she wrote was also co-written with Matthew Negrete, who was the showrunner for The World Beyond. The two of them have written 7 TWD episodes together over the seasons. Some of which I'm sure will put a smile on your face when you see the TD/Bethyl connected on many of the episodes.

Below I'll list the writer(s) season, episode number and episode name. I will use CP for Channing Powell.

CP and Matthew Negrete, s4e10 Inmates. Powell's first episode had Beth and Daryl escaping the prison together. Remember the wonderful intro with Beth talking to her journal, telling her thoughts, it told us about Beth believing in hope and faith.

CP and Matthew Negrete, s5e4 Slabtown. This is Beth's story, no other team family members in it. I take that back there was the five seconds when Carol is rolled in at the end. This is also the episode where we see Beth with a cut on her left cheek very similar to the one Dee gave Brooke.

CP, s5e12 Remember. We've been talking about this episode a lot lately because of the Comic-Con interview where someone along with Norman mistook an armadillo for a possum. Also the episode where the time of 3:37 was noted by Rick.

CP, s6e7 Heads Up. The episode where we find out that Glenn was not dead.

CP and Matthew Negrete, s6e11 Knots Untie.

CP and Gimple, s6e15 East.

CP, s7e5 Go Getters.

CP and Matthew Negrete, s7e8 Hearts Still Beating. Rick and Aaron getting supplies from a houseboat. We also saw boots of a mysterious person and later what appeared to be a female watching in the trees.

CP, s7e10 New Best Friends. Yes, this is the Carol episode that the carylers love because of the hug but it is also the episode where we see the cover of a romance novel with a man giving a blonde girl a piggyback ride.

This next two are huge for TD. It ties the blue Heron in wonderfully.

CP and Matthew Negrete wrote two episodes back to back. S8e2 Dammed and s8e3 Monsters.

My mouth totally dropped when I realized these two episodes and the Bethyl symbolism in them. We had a return of a character not seen since s1, who was presumed dead. We had Daryl finding a room that someone had been held prisoner, in there was a dog food sandwich and handcuffs. There were pink carpeting throughout the building. Rick and Daryl climbed the elevator shaft to the 5th floor. Rick found Gracie and there is a rocking chair in the nursery with a possum painting on it.

And best of all in the background in the frame with Rick is the blue Heron painting. Of the 3 times we have seen the blue Heron painting 2 of the episodes were written by Channing Powell. Just in case you don't remember, Angela Kang wrote Still, the episode where we first saw the painting.

CP and Matthew Negrete, s8e9 Honor. The episode where Carl dies. Daryl is entrusted with Judith's safety.

CP, AK and Corey Reed, s8e10 The Lost and the Punderers.

CP and Corey Reed, s8e12 The Key.

CP, s9e10 Omega. This is the episode where Lydia tells her story of her mother and father in the basement.

CP and Geraldine Inoa, s9e15 The Calm Before. The episode where Alpha kills Henry along with many others and put their heads on a pike.

CP, s10e14 Look at the Flowers.

Channing Powell haven't written any episodes for s11 of TWD. I do know that she has written episodes for Fear and of course she had been entrusted with being the showrunner for Tales. Hope you had fun with my little obsessive list and the wonderful rabbit hole I fell into. I think TD is safe in the hands of Gimple and all the writers of TWDU.

@twdmusicboxmystery:

Love this! It's genius! It reminded me of when Angela was first given the reigns to the main show and Gimple was named Chief Content Officer. I saw so many members of other ships who were so angry about it because AK had written Still and they thought that was the most "boring" episode ever. Which is code for they're terrified because the woman who presided over Bethyl is now presiding over the main show, lol.

Anyway, I guess my point is that, with this research you've done, there's just no denying that there's a common thread that runs through these episodes and the writers of the respective episodes are purposely putting these hints in. Certain ships will never admit to that, but I have no doubt they see them too.

@galadrieljones:

Okay, first I wanted to respond to the Channing Powell revelation. This is my favorite kind of meta-analysis, ie: looking at how different writers take part in different arcs. I have like half a notebook full of notes on each episode, mapping the involvement of Gimple, Kang, Negrete, and some others, as a way to try and predict which certain fascinations and points of view can likely be encountered when watching an episode by a specific writer.

I remember Channing Powell because she has the credit on “Slabtown,” and that intrigued me. So your notes here are really genius. I did look into the episodes of Fear by Powell. There were only two, both in season 6: 6.11 “The Holding” and 6.14 “Mother.” Both revolve around Teddy. I wasn’t sure of any smoking guns in these episodes and how they relate to your theory, but perhaps you might see them in a different light.

@wdway:

Thank you for your kind words on my ramble about Channing Powell being the writer of e3 Dee, plus co-creator and showrunner for Tales. I can so hear all the people who refused to see any symbols acknowledging Beth as being true and insisting that it would just be a coincidence or a matter of reusing the blue Heron painting as a prop.

In looking at CP's TWD writing credits and knowing that she co-wrote the episode where we saw Rick with the blue Heron painting in the background just before he meets a character from s1 makes it hard to believe that it could be a coincidence.

Thoughts?

#beth greene #beth greene lives #beth is alive #beth is coming #td theory #td theories #team delusional #team defiance #beth is almost here #bethyl

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lizallanosborn · 1 year

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I don't how a writer would even pull off a redemption arc for Norman when he canonically sold his son's soul to Mesphiesto (aka the devil and the literal ebodoment of evil) to get his business booming at the price of his son's life becoming unlucky and for also teaming up with the carnage symbote to create chaos and caused Flash to die during that whole red goblin arc. Just. Like. How??

Well. Short answer: No, you can't. Lol

Longer answer: It's literally impossible to redeem Norman of all people, the fact that the method for his 'redemption' was getting shot by a magic gun that removed his sins (which has yet to be properly explained. Like what does that mean/entail in this context. Like so far he's been shown to have surface level guilt and feels hallow/empty like. Okay me too cry about it) says everything it needs to.

Norman has done far too much heinous shit to even entertain him getting a redemption arc, especially because writers themselves have RECENTLY brought up baby Mayday and the fact that he killed her. I don't like that plot point, it makes me extremely uncomfortable and I think it was very unnecessary but they've brought it up themselves in this arc so like... What.

I think in this case especially, that, obviously comics play in a very different ball park morality wise compared to real life, after all people don't have superpowers and in fiction it's fine to explore someone like a murderer changing for the better but given his. Everything and how Norman is, it's like. Why would you want to give him a redemption arc. I'm not going to list every awful thing he's ever done, it would turn into a novella but Norman is canonically 1) an abusive father 2) baby murderer as they've recently reminded us 3) has committed every form of murder possible and very much unapologetic about all of it and that's a very short list for my own sanity. Then you can include anything from 'every fucked up thing that he's done to Flash alone' 'selling his son's soul to the devil', I don't like that plot point either but unfortunately it is canon so it DOES count.

I literally cannot fathom why they're doing this because I've not seen one person who likes it. Especially because this arc has come at the cost of other characters. Peter of all people would never comfort Norman, especially about Harry of all things when Peter has told Norman that he cannot have Harry multiple times and told him to stay away from him, killed Peter's girlfriend, killed Peter's daughter, killed Flash, buried May alive, killed Peter's brother etc the list goes on forever. It's just... Not in character for Peter to even believe that Norman would be magically better and a changed man, Peter's paranoid on a good day let alone about Norman of all people. Like it's insane to me we don't need this

Also from a story telling perspective, it's not interesting! It's unnecessary and boring! Like okay Norman feels guilt and wants to atone but he doesn't seem to understand why his actions are bad and it all feels very surface level. Especially because they want to redeem him but have barely mentioned Harry, his own son who he abused and who is, for better or worse, a massive part of Norman's own character and vice versa AND who IF, you were going to have Norman become a better person, a lot of that would begin in realising what he did to his son, but that in general is very ooc for him just off the bat. Like he doesn't deserve one and it offers nothing of interest. And like! If he really meant that he wanted to change maybe he'd fuck off forever from the people he's irreplaceably hurt and wallow in his guilt on his fucking own lol. You can't have a character say they want to atone for their actions but do nothing of any real substance and arguably keep traumatising others just with their presence. Norman saying he's sorry and that he feels bad means nothing compared to literally everything he's ever done.

And again! Not interesting, I think when he's used right and written a certain way (the 60s and 70s goblin stories are my absolute favourites for example) Norman can work very well as the villain of the story but making him a better person spits in the face of any character who's even shared a room with him, ooc for a million reasons, has resulted in some of the worst Peter characterization in literal decades, is unnecessary and fucking horrible lol! Like it drives me insane that we're doing this but not even addressing EVERYTHING with Harry and that it's costing other characters of their actual selves.

#i know you brought up red goblin but i cant touch that arc with a ten foot pole it makes me irrationality angry #i thought about listing every bad thing norman has done for a bit but my sanity couldn't take that #im just. hate it here!!#norman osborn #marvel #asks #puzzling posts #tw abuse #just in case

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How would you rate Marvel and DC's showings at SDCC?

Marvel was great. DC was terrible. I should be at the point now where I don't let that bother me as it's been the case ever since BvS, but damnit I'm not happy with the state of DC outside the Trinity.

Running down the list for Marvel:

Comics - Obviously the big news is Hickman writing a "Sandman" for Marvel. My guess is it's either a Dr. Strange book, or a book focused on the Marvel Abstracts (Death, Order, Chaos, the Living Tribunal, etc). Of course I will be picking that up Day 1. Otherwise the Tradd Moore Dr. Strange book sounds interesting, I'm hopeful that the new F4 creative team will come out guns blazing, Aaron is finally off Avengers but we don't know what's next for him, there's going to be a "Cold War" Captain America event featuring Steve and Sam, Cantwell is leaving Iron Man with issue 25, and he's doing a Namor book and another book where Osborn will be a hero going by the moniker "Gold Goblin". Krakoa will last until 2024 at least which is when they might start entering the second act of Hickman's plan. None of the Spider-Man teases interested me.

Animation - Goddamn but that Spider-Man cartoon sure interests me! Gorgeous art style, finally a Marvel cartoon with an actual budget again. They say it's set in the MCU but that can't be true. You've got Norman and Otto showing up here which would outright contradict No Way Home, and Peter gets a classic costume. I assume this is set in the "MCU Multiverse" like the What-If series, on a different Earth. Can't wait to watch, would be nice if we could have great Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man cartoons all running simultaneously like the 90s again. Never seen the X-Men 90s cartoon but maybe I'll go watch that and check out the revival.

Film/TV - Aside from Spider-Man, Blade, and F4 I don't have any interest in the upcoming Marvel slate. Maybe I'll go see the Avengers movies but right now I'm scaling back. Hot damn did this show the confidence invested in Feige all the same, even coming off of the worst Marvel Phase yet he still is able to get people excited over a bunch of logos. That Wakanda Forever trailer was beautiful but I can't help feeling bitter over what it means for T'Challa.

For DC

Comics - Williamson's big "reveal" only elicited eye rolls and groans from what I've seen. Nobody cares about infinite Earths when you can't even put out books featuring anyone but the Bats. Aside from two Static books and a YA Superman book, EVERYTHING else was Batman related. I get that DC likely wants to hold back on revealing what's coming in 2023 until we're deeper into Dark Crisis, but it's painful to see how small the DCU has shrunk compared to Marvel. They're not even trying right now.

Animation - The only interesting reveal was the 2023 DTV lineup of JL/RWYB, Batman: The Doom That Came to Gotham, Legion of Superheroes, and JL: Warworld. Only Legion and Warworld caught my eye, not a RWYB fan, and DtctG's main appeal is the Mignola art which I doubt they can afford to replicate. Other two seem to be the Tomorowverse movies, and both are likely going to star Superman in a lead role given Legion has his symbol in the promo and Warworld is self-explanatory. That takes the sting out of him not getting his own solo movie for his 85th at least. Ideally Legion would be an adaption of the Johns/Frank Superman & the Legion of Superheroes arc, and Warworld would be an adaption of PKJ's Warworld Saga, with the League replacing the Authority, but it's just as likely they will be original stories. Guess the rumors of a CoIE trilogy were false, no matter I'm not a huge fan of that story anyway. Edit: Looks like the Legion story is going to be Superman introducing Supergirl to the team, that could still be fun although I hope Clark is more involved than just passing her off to them and disappearing.

Film - Shazam 2 looks funny but I expect it to be another modest success. Black Adam looks cool but everyone was hoping the rumor Cavill would show up was true, and weren't happy when it didn't happen. Deadline wouldn't usually report "buzz" if there wasn't at least plausible cause but this time they looked like fools. Cavill and WB have been playing a game of chicken for five years and I'm tired of it. If you're seriously going to let the Rock put a post credit scene in BA that sets up a showdown with Superman, fucking get a Superman. Either give Cavill another solo movie like he wants or recast the role, because Cavill is not going to blink. Damn if WB doesn't look sad right now, can't even promote their 2023 movies because of the Miller and Heard controversies, never mind talking about the future.

DC got bodied this year. Speculation that they're saving reveals for Fandome feel far fetched to me given A. the likelihood that there are changes to the slate coming because of the restructure and Hamada's likely departure, and B. last year they announced a date for Fandome in April and it's almost August now. I don't think we'll get a Fandome this year because everyone is waiting for Zaslav to pick his new DC head and then they'll be the one to start greenlighting pitches. Five years since Snyder got kicked out and DC is still a mess. What a waste.

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The Adventures Of Robin Hood

The Adventures of Robin Hood - Michael Curtiz & William Keighley

Unedited Thoughts - This is part of my unedited thoughts series. In my review of The Matrix I talk about the production houses logo's been modified and we know we are in for something special. Well turns out this wasn't anything new. The Warner Brothers logo is presented as heraldry here - neat stuff. A huge focus of this telling of the tale is Saxons vs Normans. I had never seen this reading before and it was not nuanced at all. Ten to fifteen mentions in the first ten minutes - just in case we forgot. All the characters are well handled and everyone has agency - there are no bit parts. Maid Marion is a stand out here - she is no damsel in distress. Errol Flynn is great as Robin. It has dated pretty well apart from a few action scenes. The large fight at the end is almost comical because of the 'clink clink' of fake swords. There is another scene where you see a halberd bend - presumably because it is foam or plastic or something. All of our favourite supporting characters are here from Little John to Friar Tuck. All well played and distinct from each other - a great supporting cast in all. The story is pretty well done but there are some big problems as well. A key plot point is that Prince John learns of Kind Richard's return shortly after his return. This is handled rather poorly. The Bishop, who is on Prince John's side just happens to be in the inn that the King is staying at. The plot surrounding Main Marion toward the end is questionable. Guy of Gisborn accuses her of aiding Robin escape hanging. Which apparently she did - but because we didn't see how or what she did the whole threat and her ordered execution just feels hollow. There isn't anything that indicates that it is an inside job apart from her saying that she has a plan. What actually occurs could easily have been done without her involvement so how Guy comes to this conclusion is anyone's guess. Without seeing her involvement OR how guy decides that she is involved is just bad storytelling. If you thought that was bad her rescue is much worse. Her servant tells her lover to get word to Robin. The lover attacks an assassin who is going to kill the king - fine up until this point. The lover is left knocked unconscious in the forest somewhere. Will Scarlet just happens to find him and takes word to Robin - all in time to save Marion. The contrivance and coincidence is completely ridiculous and unnecessary. Overall the film is good. Great performances and a good story around well known characters. The interwoven plot falls to pieces at the end and the whole film suffers greatly for it. Read the full article

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Now that you mentioned Harry, it makes me wonder how they'll handle the relationship between him and Peter. Have they been friends since childhood? Or they'll start with disliking each other and later becoming friends like in the comics? Much to think about.

Yeah, I'm curious too, and it's so hard to guess precisely bc the new cartoon doesn't know what it wants to be or what its connection to the MC* is supposed to be, so it's like, ???

Like, the cartoon originally started as an MC* prequel, in which case, Peter shouldn't know Harry bc he doesn't seem to exist in the MC* and Ganke Ned was his only friend, and he has no idea who Norman is in NWH, so even if the Osborns technically do exist after all, he hasn't met or heard of them by NWH? But now the show is set in an alternate timeline where the divergence point is Norman rather than Tony approaching him at that point in Civil War - but if every other MC* point should be true up until then, then would he just be finding out who Harry is for the first time on the show and how they become friends might be more like the college storyline in 616? Or is there going to be more divergence from the MC* where in this universe, they have known each other as kids?

It doesn't seem like the MC* version of Ganke Ned is going to be on the show either, so is it actually a standalone show that is only very tenuously connected to the MC* in name only bc D*ney wants brand synergy and everything to be tied to the movies? Which is absurd bc it's Spider-Man - people will watch it bc people like Spider-Man, no one cares if it's tied to the MC* and will avoid it if it's not.

#asks #xan's spidey meta

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The Doctor in Myths & Historical Impossibilities

Alongside various other mysteries, the book Myths & Historical Impossibilities collates quite a few accounts of the mysterious Doctor figure.

There are tales of a medic involving himself in the works of Shakespeare, a lewd encounter with a painter in the court of King Charles II, and a botched escape from a German POW camp.

The introductory passage to the chapters relating to the Doctor:

"THE UNNAMED DOCTOR" One of the most intriguing and compelling of all the documented historical impossibilities I have come across in my studies so far is what I like to call "The Strange Case of the Unnamed Doctor." Nearly a dozen incidents of this mysterious man cropping up in wildly varying locations and periods of our history makes this one of the most mysterious cases herein. Some have called him the "Bow-Tied Boy," others the "Time Drifter," but whoever he was, or is, he certainly seems to get around…

This passage gives us a few other names by which the "doctor" is known. These seem to be tied to a specific version of the doctor.

Excerpt referring to the casting of a British movie:

As was often the case with the speedy turnaround of the famous Carry On comedy films, publicity pictures were sometimes taken before the cameras even started rolling. Though the actor pictured here (identified as 'John Smith' on the back of the photograph) did not end up playing the role of the Khasi of Kalabar in Peter Rogers' 1968 camp classic Up The Khyber- the role eventually being filled by veteran Carry On star Kenneth Williams - he clearly got as far as a costume fitting. In an entry from 12 March 1968 in Kenneth Williams's diary, Smith is referred to briefly. "Costume's far too big," complains Williams. "Daft idiots offering the role to Smith. Who's heard of him anyway? Should never have turned it down in first place… Met JS briefly yesterday at Pinewood. Nice looking chap. Checked for him later in Spotlight directory - no trace!" No other clues remain as to why or how this 'John Smith' was hired or fired from the movie.

"John Smith" is another name - believed to be an alias - often associated with the doctor, particularly one "Dr. John Smith" who is counted amongst UNIT staff who many believe to be the original "Doctor". What was he doing auditioning for a role in a 'Carry On...' film?

Excerpt regarding a mass prison break during the second world war:

Six months later, every allied prisoner escaped from Stalag Luft 14 in a single night - during an anachronistic stage production of the musical 'La Cage aux Folles', a musical which had yet to be written. Even the Germans were taking part in the performance, and by the time the Schutzstaffel arrived, the commandant was caught in the middle of performing a solo of 'I Am What I Am.'

While comical, if true, this would add weight to the prevailing theory that the doctor is a time-traveller. In this case, he saves prisoners of war but also seems to have damaged the continuity of the timelines.

Excerpt detailing an appearance in the Bayeux Tapestry:

The Bayeux Tapestry - though, of course, not actually a tapestry - has fascinated scientists, historians and the public alike for centuries. Of all the images depicted in this fascinating commemoration of the events surrounding the Norman Conquest, none is more difficult to comprehend than the seemingly anachronistic figure in the bow tie pointing towards what is now widely thought to be Halley's Comet. Could he be our Unnamed Doctor? And what of the strange words 'Cooee pond"? Certainly not Latin. A joke by the nuns who embroidered this masterpiece, perhaps? We may never know.

This is one of many strange anomalies that can be found within the Bayeux Tapestry, including lizard people and a blue box. The image matches well with one of the reported "doctors," of whom there seem to be many.

Appearance of what is possibly the Doctor in an extended nursery rhyme:

This I stumbled across in an 1819 book entitled Mrs Molbury's Collected Rhymes Both Ancient and Modern. Though the first verse is the same as those usually found in texts of this period, the rest of the tale is very different indeed. What could a 'Sontaran' be? Considering a 'humpty-dumpty' is supposedly a 17th-century beverage of boiled brandy and ale, might this Sontaran too have been an ancient cocktail of some kind? And could the 'Fool' in question be the Unnamed Doctor?: Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. All the King's Horses and all the King's Men Couldn't put Humpty together again. But then came a cry, 'twas from the King's Fool: Opining that bow ties look fashionably cool. He stepped from a blue box and said with a grin: "What a terrible pickle you've got yourselves in."

Curiously, not only is this the first time in history Humpty-Dumpty is explicitly referred to as an egg, the illustrations for this edition include a blue box. The language is also anachronistic, and the word "Strax" also appears within reports of the "Paternoster Gang" in reference to a henchman or butler whose "countenance was too abominable to be photographed."

More historical mysteries and references to "the unnamed doctor" are available to read about in Professor Clifford Measey's Myths & Historical Impossibilities, which I highly recommend to all of you. If you don't want to invest money, please check it out at your local library. It really is a fascinating read.

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The walking dead season 10 netflix

#The walking dead season 10 netflix series#

Long term outside the United States, the new streaming home of the show is exclusively on Disney+. If The Walking Dead follows Hell on Wheels departure schedule, we’ll see the show leave Netflix in 2026. We can look at other AMC shows for guidance. Yes, eventually The Walking Dead will leave Netflix although how many years is unknown. Will The Walking Dead leave Netflix after season 11 arrives? Other regions’ availability dates will vary but all regions that carry the show will see it eventually popup over the course of 2022 or at worst, early 2023. So while we can’t give you an exact date right now, based on past additions of the show, we’re expecting season 11 of The Walking Dead to arrive on Netflix in the United States and Canada sometime between August and November 2022 with September being the most likely release month. The Walking Dead season 11 – Picture: AMC With an expanded season length, that too could have a play on its Netflix release date.īoth Netflix USA and Netflix Canada have received previous seasons together so we expect that trend to continue. While we don’t expect that to pull up the date, it’s something to bear in mind. Traditionally, Netflix has got new seasons just before the next one starts on AMC but that won’t be the case here. When will Season 11 of The Walking Dead be released on Netflix? The eleventh season will arrive on Netflix in at least 26 countries according to Unogs. It’s currently due to air the remainder of the final season starting on February 20th, 2022 with the episode, “No Other Way”. It wrapped up its eighth episode on AMC on October 10th before being on a midseason break. With the new season beginning its final run on AMC on August 22nd, 2021. The Walking Dead Season 11 - Official Trailer (2021) Norman Reedus, Lauren Cohan - YouTube

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The other spin-off series have all found their way onto other rival streaming services around the world whether that be Amazon Prime, Disney+ or somewhere else. The final season is set to consist of 24 episodes which is two more than season 10.Īs we’ve covered before, only The Walking Dead is on Netflix. Season 11 is going out with a bang too with an expanded season. Netflix US has carried the show since 2014 with new seasons arriving every year thereafter (except season 10 which was delayed due to COVID-19). Here’s when we’re currently expecting the final season of The Walking Dead to be available on Netflix.Īdapting the comics of the same name, the show has been a staple on both AMC and Netflix (depending on where you live) for years now. Season 11 of The Walking Dead will eventually land on Netflix in many regions around the world including the United States. Shows like Fear the Walking Dead and The Walking Dead: World Beyond are streaming on platforms like Prime Video, Hulu and Shudder.The Walking Dead is currently airing its second set of episodes for its eleventh and final supersized season on AMC. We don’t know the status of future spin-offs and where they will stream just yet. No, you won’t be able to watch the show’s many spin-offs on Netflix, at least not the ones out right now. Are The Walking Dead spin-offs on Netflix? In previous years, new seasons would come out before the next season started, but since season 11 is the last season, we probably won’t get to see it on Netflix until summer 2023. The eleventh and final season of the zombie apocalypse series was split into parts with the final batch of episodes set to premiere in October and wrap on November 20, 2022. When will The Walking Dead season 11 be on Netflix?Ĭonsidering The Walking Dead season 11 is not finished airing, you should not expect to see it on the streaming service for awhile. You can watch every episode of each season, starting with the short first season and ending with the 22-episode season 10. How many seasons of The Walking Dead are on Netflix?Ĭurrently there are 10 seasons of The Walking Dead streaming on Netflix. Netflix has been adding seasons of the show since the early days and that’s how many people discovered the post-apocalyptic horror show to begin with before later watching it live on AMC. But many fans are eager to find out when The Walking Dead season 11 is coming to Netflix to see how it all ends. Of course, there are plenty of spin-off projects in the works, so it’s not really goodbye, but it will be the end of the flagship show. AMC’s long-running horror series The Walking Dead is coming to an end when the third part of its eleventh and final season starts airing this fall.

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