Oh boo hoo the people who made a CHOICE to buy the fucking video game and put it on their platform and encourage more people to make their same CHOICE are feeling harrassed.
You know. I called for no herassment to general public because it's counterproductive. You're just creating enemies. The general public feels like it has no stakes in this game and someone is atacking them for liking a franchise that was a big part of their childhood. So you are actively turning public opinion AWAY from yoir cause!
Did I ever defend terfs or any publically anti trans asshole? No, I literally called for phisical violence against them!
But with the general public that would be the wrong aproach. Make it their problem and thwir intwrest to help you.... that's why I ussualy quote a poem at people who say that this outrage is pointless. Look up "first they came" by Martin Neimöler. And then look up the author and where he stood before and after events in the poem.
Wanna be an activist? Convince people they need to stop those events from hapening again, and helping you and your cause is how they do it.
And believe me Shouting at people and herassing them will lead to spite, alienation and disdain. So stop sabotaging our comunity and do some thinking
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while I respect your head-canon, doesn't sun and moon have a gender already? aren't they referred as males in many media? because I'm getting so many mixed messages
oooh, this is actually something i've wanted to talk about for a while!!!
so! something really interesting about the daycare attendant is how inconsistent their pronouns (and even their gender) have been across all sorts of media
to start: in the games (both security breach and ruin), the daycare attendant is only ever referred to with it/its pronouns. freddy uses these pronouns for them in sb, so it was theorized for a little bit that maybe this is because he just didn't like them (for some reason), but then once ruin came along and these pronouns were used for them again, it seems like that's just the pronouns they're referred to with!
but here's where our first inconsistency is! because their voice actor, kellen goff, is a man. so that means the daycare attendant has a masc sounding voice, and i believe this is where the majority of people get the he/him pronouns from. (also, their in game file names are called "sunman" and "moonman" respectively, so that's another little thing that points towards them being boys.)
(one last thing to mention about the games is the gendered bathrooms in security breach, which has moon as the mascot for the daycare's men's bathroom, and sun as the mascot for the daycare's women's bathrooms... just a fun thing to mention)
however, that's not the end of it! they're also in a couple books too.
starting with the guidebooks: the afk "security breach files" guidebook uses it/its, while the fnaf encyclopedia uses he/him for both. (but considering the amount of errors this book has i'd actually take that info with a grain of salt).
and in the two "tales of the pizzaplex" stories they're mentioned in, which are "the bobbiedots part 1" and "somniphobia", i believe they're referred to with it/its too? but i don't own the books so correct me if im wrong :p
one final "official" source to mention is all their youtooz merch, which actually uses they/them to refer to both of them, not just the two of them together! which is pretty interesting too
when it comes to online communities though... the majority of fans just use he/him for the dca, because they're typically just perceived as male due to their voice! (though i've heard that before the games release a couple people thought sun was female?) but overall they're widely perceived as masculine, so i can understand the confusion... but i hope this post was able to teach you something!
and before i end this, here's a video someone else did about this subject too!! if you're interested in hearing a little bit more about it...
if there's any other prominent media i should mention, let me know in the notes and i'll add it onto this post :]
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For the ask thing with ships, i need to know your honest opinion on dreamxcross and then crossxnightmare
Also im curious where you'd place errorx dream
dreamxcross: makes sense, compels me
ok tbh im not like a huge cream fan. its not that i have anything against it i just am not super interested in it personally. EXCEPT in the context of character development. For example i personally headcanon that dream has a VERY black and white worldview (bad things can only be done by bad people for bad reasons and bad people can never be anything other than that) so i think having him fall in love with someone who would be considered “bad” would make for a really juicy character arc
crossxnightmare: makes sense, doesnt compel me
ive only really ever been interested in crossmare when it comes to bad sans polycule. But taken out of that context i just kinda find it meh? like no hate ofc its just for me personally i have a hard time seeing their relationship as anything other than boss/subordinate. Also thinking about cross’s undying loyalty to nm and maybe even views him with some reverence? oh god theres so much angst potential here. maybe it does compel me after all
errorxdream: doesn’t make sense, doesnt compel me
i just havent really seen enough of this ship for it to compel me. i think it COULD be interesting but id have to let it marinade in my brainrot juices for longer before i take any real interest. Plus I just dont really see the connection between them in terms of narrative? like dream and error just don’t really interact at all at least from the media ive seen
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coming out as a passive jopper hater bc the insane level of capitalist pandering they did with s3 (with ERICA who is like. one of the worst, stereotyped portrayals of a black girl ive ever seen, bless her heart) was truly crazy. combine that with the copaganda and the general attitude of hopper in s3 which was played off as 'awkward loser guy doesnt know what to do with Feelings more at 8' was a bit .... Eh :/ to me. because it is so obviously a fictional character and show but like. disliking hopper/jopper bc of the ideals st is perpetuating and the fact that they arent compatible at All in s3 (to me, atleast) is valid. some ppl might just think that jopper is unhealthy and/or 'overrated'. because they do sort of pay a disproportionate amount of attention to jopper, compared to the other canon romantic ships (afaik, bc of the screen time counter) and that can be Weird, esp with the... how should i say this? balancer/savior role hopper takes in the relationship (we constantly see him placating joyce, sometimes even being slightly patronizing, and also they place a lot of importance on him saving joyce from a lot of stuff, which is cool and sick if it wasnt for the fact that it directly correlates with him being a cop, yk). and the general power imbalance bc he's a Cop and abuses his position of power constantly, and that is exactly Why anything that joyce does is seen as a #insane girlboss category 5 woman moment because she simply has the short stick in the power race and when she does manage to make an impact DESPITE her economic/social/'general uselessness in say in Major decision-making when it comes to authorities' shortcomings it is seen as an amazing win. hopper on his own is extremely fleshed out as well, because we get to see his arc play out with his relationships with his daughter and ex-wife and el and re-learning how to be a parent and how to not let love allude him, and that is lovely! it's so great to see the adults in the show being focused on! but joyce is absolutely disregarded and underdeveloped as a character of her own right outside of her relationships with hopper or her kids. we see that she is determined and a force to be reckoned with and that she cares very deeply for the people she loves and would go to insane lengths for them but all that doesn't Mean anything, because we never see a backstory for her. we never figure out who she is without her family or hopper, or what her motives and aspirations and emotional shortcomings and stumbles and mistakes are. for a character to be fully fleshed out, they need to be an interesting, refreshing and palatable character On Their Own without their relationships with other characters, and we just don't see that with joyce. like u have Thee winona ryder on ur show, and u forsake developing her character in favor of developing hopper's character with /not the best taste/ and causing her to be a blank slate of a mother, lover, woman and friend, but not a PERSON. all she's been reduced to is a Mother and Hopper's Girlfriend, and honestly, that's the worst decision they could've made in relation to her and her relationship with hopper.
anyway, all this to say; these are my thoughts on the matter, but i'm definitely not hating on people who enjoy jopper passively and DEFINITELY not any by/ler (the most predominant fandom im part of in the parent fandom of st) who enjoys them as a ship with their own dynamic separate from canon. because the by/ler fandom is NOT a monolith and nobody is obligated to agree with me or change their opinion if it doesn't align with mine or be forced to look at my opinion and feel bad for shipping anything. im not going to act Holier Than Thou for expressing my opinion and u should definitely continue shipping jopper if it makes u happy! as long everybody recognizes the copaganda and capitalist mindset grind propaganda shit in st (which is Pretty Obvious) and respects that while shipping what they want, i have no problem with it. all that is to say; peace and fucking love. can we (the by/ler fandom) stop fighting abt jopper we all have our own opinions this is bc we are Not a hivemind or a monolith and not obligated to have the same opinions relating to all aspects of st just because we happen to ship one thing. i am a hater and a lover
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Laura saying we "sent her hate" girl you tried to message me multiple times, tagged me in posts, and kept dodging me blocking you everytime you kept bugging me by making multiple new accounts or sending me anons so you could keep trying to talk to me & you did this to other people, YOU were trying to contact US. ppl aren't sending you hate, nobody even wants to talk to your ass. Pointing out shit that you definitely did & admitted to doing isn't "hate" or "slander"
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