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tiny-katara · 2 years

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hi cilla!!! don’t mind me just sliding into the asks to tell you that you are super cool & we are so blessed to have you in the zk community so salt about kataang all day long bc we are here for it!!! (at least i’m definitely here for it i love your anti kataang takes bc they are straight FACTS).

anyway don’t let asshole kataangers get you down lovely, you’re just as entitled to your opinion (and also like… the truth lmfao) as they are. if they can’t scroll past properly tagged shit, that’s on them.

ily & hope you have a wonderful day!!!

aaaahhhhh hii!!! i don't think i will ever mind you sliding into my asks or adding onto my posts. your thoughts are always appreciated!

i am so glad to hear you say that bc i really do love being here it's so lovely. zk is one of the best communities i've observed in my time online and everyone is so nice??? i am shocked by how kind everyone here is to me!

kata*ng salt is a decent portion of what fuels me and helped me move on from my last relationship and realize that it was a bit of a "yikes" haha. i feel much more at ease with myself now that there isn't a man (boy really) that is afraid of my passionate and somewhat abrasive energy trying to calm me down just bc it's inconvenient for him. i will definitely be able to ignore those nasty kata*ngers with a lot more confidence now too as they are quite literally going out of their way to be rude about a show that ended in their favor years ago lol.

thank you so much for all the kind words you've sent me tho. i cannot express how much i appreciate it. also! unrelated, but the "you just wanna fuck zuko" argument pissed me off so much and your reply to it was just brilliant. i am on the ace spectrum myself (demi to be specific) and it's just so annoying to hear that argument as to be quite honest i'm not really looking to fuck anyone, much less a fictional, underage boy lol.

thanks again!!! 💙

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my-bated-breath · 3 years

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A look into the “parallels” between Kuzon/Painted Lady and Blue Spirit/Painted Lady

The Painted Lady/Kuzon parallels do exist on some level, yes, but they’re more conceptual than anything else. Since the first half of season 3 was largely focused on humanizing the Fire Nation, these two episodes followed the same themes, so similarities would obviously result from that. Other than these episode’s end goals, however, I don’t think there’s anything too profound about these parallels, especially because Aang and Katara’s character arcs revolving around the Fire Nation are mostly separate. The moods permeating these two episodes were vastly different as well, since Kuzon is much more grounded, playful, and youthful, while the Painted Lady comes across as an old and terrifying spirit. (There are more differences between the two of them, but I think the “atmosphere” surrounding these episodes is able to explain a lot of it.)

(Just look at how different these two screenshots feel from each other, at how connected to reality and other people these two aliases are.)

Now, this may be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think the Painted Lady and Blue Spirit are intentional parallels either. What do I mean by that? There are similarities in their set-up, purposes, and messages -- the Painted Lady and Blue Spirit share much more than the Painted Lady and Kuzon because both the Painted Lady and the Blue Spirit present a morally gray stance on justice, a duality within Zuko and Katara’s characters (the prince and the refugee for Zuko, and the healer and the fighter for Katara), a mask they can wear to achieve the freedom to do what they desire, and they both have a mythical quality about them, a fleetingness to their reality. However, while these set-ups were there, the show never expanded upon them and truly connected their characters, especially since the Painted Lady only appeared in one episode and was a one-off character while the Blue Spirit appeared in three. Thus, the Painted Lady’s relevancy to the plot was reduced, and thus its connection to the Blue Spirit was reduced too.

(Of course, the parallels that do exist in the set-up do leave you wondering.)

To be honest, when I watched the show itself, the Blue Spirit/the Painted Lady never struck me as a parallel that was developed in-depth. This makes something that’s well worth exploring in fandom, both in meta, fanfiction, fanart, and other fan content, and I love seeing that. As I mentioned before, the mythical-like, morally ambiguous quality both the Painted Lady and the Blue Spirit have lent themselves very well to transformative works, much better than the Painted Lady and Kuzon would at any rate.

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anti-anti-stevinel · 3 years

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What the fuck is the deal with "ankle-beez"? They seem to be the biggest Steven Universe blog around. Every other SU blog I know (even the world's only proshipper Connverse normie, picturejasper20) reblogs from them.

They're also the world's biggest hypocrite.

They make analysis posts about the real message of SU, about love and forgiveness, against revenge and that sort of stuff.

At the same time, they are a hardcore anti-shipper bully.

They sent me gore and death threats last year when I was 17, for shipping Stevinel. Said "yer a pedo kill yerself!!11" (okay, that's paraphrased).

What's wrong with Stevinel?

Is it that Steven is "a minuh and not ready for sexual relationships"? Then, why is Connie, a human fourteen-year-old in-universe, ready for sexual relationships when it's with Steven? Why is Steven ready for it with Connie?

This leads me to believe it's the stated "aGe GaP!!11". In that case, Greg/Rose, which ankle-beez likes, is child rape (he wuz twenty an she wuz twentythousand!) That's fucking stupid. Kataang and Bubbline are "child rape" too, by those standards. Stating an exaggerated number next to a supernatural, non-aging, cartoon character does not child rape make. Is Katara a "necrophile" for having kids with Aang, a so-called "hundred-and-forty-something-year-old" character? Because 140-year-old men are all known to be dead? Is everyone who's read the Bible a Child Rapist™️, because the eternal, ageless God impregnated the thirteen-year-old Virgin Mary, as part of the biblical canon leading to the birth of Our Saviour Jesus Christ?

Also, by the same fucking stupid standards they use to call Spinel an "aDulT", Steven is one too. Gems don't fucking age. They're robots. If I have a 200-year-old baby doll, it's still a baby doll. Dolls don't age. Since Steven's gemstone (and with it, Pink's/his memories) has been around for 20000 years, he is "an adult", an "elderly man".

That brings me to the next point: one cannot "ship pedophilia". I wish I could "ship" mental disorders. I wish my autism, ADHD, OCD, Tourette's, depression and paranoia were as simple as fictional "ships".

More or less, "pedo" hysteria is NOT about protecting chilluns. When a child is murdered, nobody bats an eye. When child-on-child sexual abuse occurs, the same applies. Also, when an adult is raped. It's not about healing sexually abused children, or preventing rape. When adult-on-child sexual abuse occurs, the emphasis in media is never about helping the kid. It's always about torturing and murdering the "pedo" (sexual abuser). Basically, because nobody cares when there's no "pedo" to punish, it's not about protecting children, it's about hating people with mental disorders. Apparently, because I turned 18 two days ago, I lose my human right not to be raped.

What "paedophilia" actually is, is a mental disorder characterised by a greater level of arousal towards prepubescent individuals to pubescent ones. You cannot support or oppose it - you cannot be convicted for it or commit it - it's a disorder. Something you're pretty much born with and can't change. Conflating it with rape is like conflating "schizophrenia" with serial murder. While schizophrenic individuals have a higher murder risk compared to the general population, nobody ever says "commit schizophrenia" when talking about murder.

Fandom discourse is not a PhD. You cannot diagnose me with a disorder from the DSM-5 for writing the wrong fanfiction. You cannot convict me of a crime for it, either.

The most common anti argument that fanfic/hentai/whatever "encourages pedophilia". You cannot encourage a disorder. I will not magically sprout mental illness from reading fanfic. If you mean it ""encourages child rape"", if I were to rape someone, I could not blame reading a fanfic. Rape is caused by far deeper issues than having read a stupid fanfic.

Rick/Morty is canon in the multiverse, and Morty is a fictional teenager (who wishes incest porn had more mainstream appeal) with Rick, his equally fictional grandfather. So, who is raped by this? Nobody. Again, if you rape someone, you can't say Rick x Morty incest fanfic made you do it.

ALL ships are fine. Even stupid shit like Rick/Morty. Stevinel, though, isn't even of that kind. It's literally no worse than Bubbline, Kataang and Gregrose, all of which are canon to their shows.

So, what is it? "She """tried""" to kill him"? Strange. When Steven lets his shield down, Spinel could just blow him to fucking bits with that city-sized, injector-smashing fist of hers. She doesn't. SU's definition of "try" means "stop yourself". "Try" suggests someone else has to stop you with force, and that didn't happen, in which case, Steven "tried" to kill Greg in Mr. Universe, White (and with her, every Gem) in Homeworld Bound, and Connie in Buddle Buddies and every episode where he gets Connie into fights, and, and EVERYONE in Laser Light Cannon, Little Graduation and I am My Monster. He also "actually murdered" Jasper in Fragments by the standards (mind you, shattering isn't lethal and the Diamonds did nothing wrong).

Anti-shippers have implanted this stupid idea that non-aging things age as humans into my head. The idea is there to virtue-signal against MUH EBIL PEEDOUGHS. Now, I have paranoid thoughts about being a child rapist when I cuddle naked with a pillow that's been manufactured one year ago. Pillows don't age. But, in antis' heads, they do.

Why am I supposed to think of Spinel as an elderly woman? The character who is shorter, less mature and higher-pitched than Steven, sobs like a baby, plays peekaboo and gets adopted at the end of the movie?

It just disturbs me, honestly, how anklebeez can understand the show's message against violence and for healing, while literally murdering real children (and adults) for the rights of fictional ones, by bullying into suicide.

Why are they so popular? Anyway, I accidentally got carried away and wrote a masterpost when I meant for a quick ask. Hope you appreciate it.

Also, what determines whether a cartoon character is okay to "sexualise" or not?

Stated number? Then I can draw a stickman with a dick, then write the number 15 next to him, then you're a Child Rapist™️ for having looked at the image?

Height? Then is why is R34 of Madeline from Celeste, Sans and Amethyst, okay, when it's not okay for Steven and Hat Kid?

The word "kid"? Then, kill any teenager with a crush on a cartoon of Kid Cudi, I guess?

Don't harass ankle-beez. It's not worth it. Revenge is pointless. Never, though, have I been so confused by someone's self-contradictions.

Seriously.

Wow, this is huge, I didn’t know they allowed asks to get this long now, lol.

Um, but no comment on all of this since it’s just a rant, lol. But I don’t disagree.

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tuiyla · 2 years

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I’m more in the Glee Fandom but also I’m very curious because I watched ATLA as a child - why do people hate Aang so much? He seems like a sweetheart. Is he like the Finn Hudson of ATLA, who the writers tried so hard to seem like a good person but accidentally made him entitled, hypocritical, possessive, and an awful boyfriend?

We've gotta keep this lowkey Anon lol, just between us cause I'm just gonna go ahead and say some things that I'm sure would piss certain peeps off.

Full disclaimer, while I do think I've pretty much seen it all in regards to the Avatar fandom at large I haven't been actively participating in the fandom for about two years now. So the talking points that I've seen might not be the ones people are bringing up now. Then again, in my many years I've rarely seen takes that weren't just recycled ideas from years back, so there's that. But yeah, based on what I've seen:

God no he isn't the Finn haha. There is a weird portion of the fandom that thinks he's secretly manipulative or whatever but how do you even take those people seriously. Finn I feel is, while by no means a unique case, certainly his own category in the dissonance of how the writers saw him and how he actually comes across. ATLA's writing is way too good to let something like that happen. But I suppose Aang hate can come from a similar place on the fandom in the sense that people simply don't see him as a good protagonist, or as deserving of being one anyway.

And you know I'll just say it, a lot of Aang hate comes from avid Zutara shippers. You know, Zuko and Katara? If anyone comes at me for saying this I'll know they weren't there for the ship wars because everyone knows how infamously intense that was. People were bashing Aang on the one side and Zuko on the other. And what for? Two mediocre ships. Lmao I really give zero fucks now. So anyway, I've only ever seen outright Aang hate from people who dislike the Kataang ship and they usually also happen to want Katara with Zuko.

Aang hate can say anything from simply calling him immature and undeserving - you know, a 12-year-old child - to saying he's actively manipulative, or whiny for not wanting to kill a man (??), or some people even, like, actually believe he's just an all-around jerk. Once again for emphasis, we're talking about a 12-year-old pacifist with the weight of the world on his shoulders who still manages to be the very soul of his group and the whole show.

The popular bashing talking point is also that he feels too much like the creators wanted him to be the perfect hero who gets the girl and "forces" her into a relationship. Again, bonkers crazy shit to say about a 12 year-old with a crush. And then there's the Legend of Korra stuff, because adult Aang is given more flaws and specifically as a father in the sequel series so I guess people look at that complicated and nuanced family dynamic and go "ah yes, bad guy very bad". ~Problematic~, you could say.

The last "reason" I can think of is that, in a cast full of very complex and generally well-liked characters, Aang has always felt flat to some. Like he's the weakest link in his team, you know? Which I don't agree with all that much nor do I think that should mean he's not a good protagonist but whatever. Zuko has always been the single most popular ch and some people don't know how deuteragonists work and therefore want the whole show to center around him, and are bitter about Aang. Nevermind that the show is called Avatar and he's the Avatar.

At the end of the day though, I don't really know Anon. He's definitely not the Finn, and I've rarely if ever seen heavy anti-Aang sentiments outside of the shipping discourse so I'm inclined to believe it mostly has to do with that. I'd be curious as to where you get people hating Aang from but I'll be honest, I don't need those vibes in my life anyway. Unlike with Finn, or any Glee characters really, I frankly don't think there's a good enough reason to straight-up hate on Aang. He is a sweetheart and actually a really, really great character (who people don't deserve by the looks of it). Seems childish of people to spew hate tbh and I would hope it's kids doing it. I know that sounds kinda dismissive but hey, going all out here right. At least with kids you can hope they'll grow and mature out of it.

All of this isn't to say ATLA doesn't have any issues with its writing or Aang's characterization, or the Kataang pair, nor is this an attack of any subset of the fandom. Believe it or not I'm not trying to come for the Zutarians' necks with this, I'm just trying to explain to you the stuff that I have seen over the years. But I'm fine not being in the Avatar fandom as such if Aang/any kind of hate really is happening. I'd assume that's mostly twitter and tiktok but who knows, tumblr isn't immune to awful discourse at all.

#that should be a very chill post haha #but there you go anon maybe that explains some of it?#i'm not sure what the kids are saying these days but i doubt they're coming up with fresh takes #ask #anon #i really really don't wanna tag this #i only trust my followers to see this and not send me hate mail #y'all don't understand this shit can be intense #and I've been there done that #despite the fact that i've never had a horse in the shipping war race???#i don't ship katara with anyone #15 yo me is looking at this like 😶 you can't say all that #anyway back to glee because apparently that's much more chill

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