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#that scene with odin atreus and loki
tacticalhimbo · 3 months
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watching the god of war ragnarok cutscenes (particularly thor's) and being like "damn, he's just like me for real"
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A little detail I love is how in this lighting when Odin is trying to win Atreus over, they both look so much alike. Atreus' eyes which are usually the same bright blue as Faye's are far more green, and his clothes are styled just like Odin's with golds and greens: very Loki-esque colours.
Even with how Muginn is positioned makes it appear as though he is sitting on Atreus' shoulder, whispering in his ear.
If you showed someone this image and then an image of Kratos and Atreus... who would you think was Atreus' father? The fact that Atreus has the same hair and eye colours as both Baldur and Thor isn't a coincidence either.
But Jormungandr is also coloured green and gold. This entire scene lays the groundwork for their entire dynamic in GOW and in the myths. Atreus, or Loki, is dressed in snake skins. He is taking on the appearance of the Aesir, just as much manipulating Odin as Odin is manipulating him in a sense. Atreus is skilled at adapting, at taking on the characteristics, the skins, of those around him.
And just like in 2018 when he was trying to be like his father, we see the yellow of his mother peeking through his collar. Faye laid such a groundwork in Atreus' mind, in who he is as a person, that she will always persist within him no matter what skin he wears and sheds.
Faye's influence will always stay close to Atreus and protect him from Odin's manipulations, and from his own temptations. He may be fighting between fathers, but he will always be his mother's son.
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lokis-wager · 1 year
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Saw a youtube comment about GoW that was like 'I wish Loki would have been more evil because he wasn't evil enough in this game to really be Loki' and I realized that arguably the second-most disruptive and destructive character in the entire game is Loki, behind only Odin himself.
Like. Atreus basically ruined Sindri's entire life, starting with getting Kratos to dislike him to accidentally taking Brok away from him. He fucked up his bond with his father by sneaking out to find Tyr, which led to the fight that made him seek Asgard. Finding Tyr led to the series of events that made Brok die. He tried to turn Odin against Thor after Heimdall's death, while also manipulating Thor to eventually turn him against Odin. He released Garm, which sowed chaos across all the realms, to the point where Odin and Freya were both pissed at him for doing it, despite them being on completely opposite sides of Ragnarok. Heimdall literally says 'Your lips move and I see cities burn', about this teeny tiny teenager.
The teeny tiny little scene at the beginning where Atreus turns into a bear and kills that other bear, leaving her 2 cubs to fend for themselves, was foreshadowing. Atreus saying he thrives better on chaos comes not long before the entire world turns upside down and the story enters its third act, with all its destruction, all caused by Atreus' actions and Odin's manipulations. Like, how much more evil did you want Atreus to be??? Just because he doesn't twirl a mustache or intend to start a war, doesn't mean he isn't ultimately responsible for what he's done.
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transsexual-ghost · 1 year
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ok i am now having coherent thoughts about the Guys:
so gow:r at its core is about fatherhood and learning to let go, even if it's gonna hurt like a son of a bitch. (to me, at least)
the scene where atreus tells kratos that he must find the remaining giants, alone, because he has to. because at his core, atreus is a victim of a genocide. (odin and thor had a vendetta, and as far as he knows, he and angrbroda are the only living giants left in midgard) he wants to connect with his culture, because he never really got that with his mother and the only other giant he knows is angrbroda, and they've only known each other for a short amount of time. not to mention that she's also fourteen and watched her parents and the people around her die until it was just her and her grandmother
and atreus is only fourteen, he's watched the end of the world nearly come to fruition, not to mention that he saw brok get killed by odin, posing as tyr. and atreus. atreus has to take this on because he has to.
and we saw that kratos at the beginning and for most of the game, he had accepted that he was going to die, so he pushed atreus. but he wasn't willing to let go of his son. so he refused atreus being the champion of the jotnar, because what if he lost another child to something that could be prevented?
and i am not going to go into kratos' guilt complex about his first family. (for now. might be a separate post or a tag ramble, who knows)
so when kratos, at the end of the game says, "Loki will go... Atreus shall stay." not only is it soul shattering and the emotional equivalent of a brick to the face, it highlights his growth as a character and a father and his reluctance to let go.
but he does. and yeah, it hurts. but atreus'll return.
and kratos and thor are two sides of the same coin. both of them had shitty fathers who insisted that they were destroyers. hell, even thor acknowledges that at their core, both he and kratos can very easily destroy things. they love their respective children to death, and are willing to kill for them. (even if thor didn't treat his sons well. like he beat the living shit out of modi because his brother was killed by a much older god who was stronger than him.) but kratos broke out of the cycle of sons killing their fathers. (or fathers killing their sons)
yeah, he killed zeus. but instead of hurting his son and restricting his growth, kratos encouraged that. and yeah, kratos wasn't the best with atreus in gow:2018, but he was fucking terrified that he would hurt atreus like he hurt calliope. but he didn't.
thor, unlike kratos, never got to break out of the cycle. from what we've seen, asgard had a "kill or be killed" culture. you couldn't afford to be soft and kind. you had to be a hardass, you had to hurt people. and odin cultivated that, to the point where it was his downfall.
from what we've seen, odin encouraged thor to be a violent and drunken monster.
"I think, you kill."
and then thor died, leaving behind a violent and bloody legacy for his only surviving child to unpack.
so at its core, god of war: ragnarok is about breaking the cycle and having good supports.
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digitalagepulao · 8 months
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How does the final battle against Odin happen in your AU? Does he turn in some kinda of horryfing demon? Does Wukong help fight against him? And who destroys his soul this time? because i can't stop thinking of Loki smashing it with his own hands.
Wukong is busy kicking as in the main battlefield and trying to shove that huge ass sword through the heart of the realm. wouldn't be his first forceful pruning of a mystical tree to be fair! xD
Odin doesn't turn into a demon, but Loki certainly does. he can only hold back Fenris for so long, and when he sheds all his reservations and magic wards and limiters, BOY is he a power to reckon with. Wukong may be kicking ass with his war form but a fully unleashed Fenris could rival him in how fear-striking he is!
Kratos and Atreus are the first on the scene to face Odin, and Freya definitely gets her scene in it too, but when Fenris arrives,,, yeah, the battle is basically done in a couple of hits. Atreus tries to get between them, maybe talk som sense into Odin, but he refuses to listen so Fenris bites down and eats him.
The raging fire and wrath that formed Fenris fizzles out once Odin is all but consumed in the flames, and Loki is free of that poison in him. He's not free of all the damage and trauma but, he got closure. It's a start.
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sledgehamur · 24 days
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Random things from my GoWxMarvel crossover fic
I've been working on this fic for SO LONG, I think I'm gonna cave and finally post the first 2 or 3 chapters soon. I won't update it for a good while after that but I just want to get the idea out there (almost like a proof of concept I guess). I've been hitting a slump in motivation to write and I think I wanna know some people out there are actually interested so think of this as a teaser of sorts.
Heres some silly things I've come up with while writing this completely self-indulgent crossover that I just need to get out of my system
For context: the idea for this fic is basically that Atreus gets zapped into the MCU and has to help the Avengers (plus a few extras) fight a bunch of monsters to get home.
When Atreus gets dropped into New York, one of the first things he does is accidentally break into a museum
Atreus makes the mistake of introducing himself as Loki, the Avengers kinda freak out at the idea of having two gods of mischief around while Loki himself finds the situation completely and utterly hilarious
Just a ton of me poking fun at the crazy differences in the Norse pantheons for each universe
Atreus nearly has a heart attack when he meets Thor, and the feeling is reciprocated when Thor panics after Atreus asks him if he's still married to Sif
Upon finding out that Odin is Loki's 'dad', Atreus has to stop himself from passing out from laughing at the idea
After becoming friends, Loki works up the courage to show Atreus his Jotunn skin. He's still kinda ashamed of it so he only shows like a hand or at most an arm. Atreus absolutely loves it! He thinks it is the coolest thing and is kinda jealous that he can't do it too (part of him gets a little sad at the same time because Loki's blue skin reminds him of Brok)
I completely changed the plot of Cap 3 for my fic, partly because I think that movie is stupid but also because I wanted to find a way to force Atreus into a fight with those other Winter Soldiers from the end of the movie (basically instead of killing them, Zemo is gonna use them as his goons)
When I started writing this fic, I knew I wanted Peter and Atreus to be friends. They have a lot of similarities in their character/stories, it just made sense to me. Sooooo . . . in the process of writing a bunch of scenes with them, I think I accidentally wrote them having big fat crushes on each other . . . I know I know, crossships in 2024??? You're right I'm insane
anyway, thats it for now.
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sunnys-sonnets · 10 months
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Best scene in gow that made you really like the game?
The first game of the Norse Saga, the scene at the very end of the game where Atreus tells Kratos about what all the prophecies on the wall said. He tells his father that the Giants called him "Loki"
I had only seen that clip first and yes, it was a spoiler but that alone made me want to know the entire story of this game and I got so invested because at the time(and still now), I was super into Norse Mythology so I had to see any and all Norse Mythology content and God of War did it in a style that I actually liked! I was like "fucking finally!"
I think I have about five Norse Mythology books on my shelf and pretend that's normal so this GoW obsession was bound to happen
Then God of War Ragnarok came out years later- got me sucked right back in but now I'm even crazier about it
Other than that "Loki" scene from the first game, Mimir and all the fun stories he told and how Atreus would eagerly respond and how Kratos struggled to be a father while maintaining distance from his son. That first game was awesome- Would cry again 👍
And then the second one with Odin- Fuck, it was epic. Not perfect, but I still liked it. . . as you can tell from how much I drown myself in it
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maxbegone · 1 year
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It’s late, but I just finished my first Ragnarök playthrough and I wanted to share my thoughts.
Firstly, this game is worth the hype. It’s a beautiful continuation of the 2018 game, and though that one felt big, this one is far bigger. The world itself is on a grander scale, the risks are higher, there are more allies to meet, old relationships to mend, some to watch go to ruin. It’s truly seamless.
I know cinematic, story-driven gameplay isn’t everyone’s forte (and I will be the first to say that I prefer story when I choose my difficulty), but this game had an absolutely fantastic balance of story and combat. The major fights were thrilling and really kept you on your toes, though I will say the smaller enemies you encounter such as the wretches or gulon or the grim (but especially the wretches) are a bit repetitive. Nothing like the trolls in the 2018 game, luckily — just nuisances.
Now, the characters — they’ve grown immensely. We watched the relationship grow and mend in the previous game between Kratos and Atreus, but in Ragnarök we watch it flourish. We start off seeing father and son proud of one another, and while there are ups and downs, we continue to witness their betterment. I’ve mentioned before that through-line of “be better,” and it’s really shown here as well. Once we get Freya on our side again, she continues to blow the player away. We have her as a genuine companion this round, but the grief and anger she feels toward her past comes full-circle in the end, and while it will never quite go away, she has an easier time breathing knowing Odin’s hold on her is no longer. My love for her grew, as did it for all the characters — old and new.
The story in God of War: Ragnarök is truly emotionally-driven and by far one of the most phenomenal games I have ever played. Heart-wrenching, beautiful scenes that make you sit and think, a deeper dive into lore, one-off comments that mean much, much more in the end…incredible.
To see Atreus’ growth within himself, discover who he is, who “Loki” is and will be, this little curious boy we once knew become a young man is truly seamless. His devotion to his father but also to himself in the end, and to the giants, is not lost on me. He will return, we will see him again, Kratos will see him again. Loki goes, Atreus remains.
And Kratos…where to start with him. I will say I came into this series with the 2018 game, so my knowledge and experience with Kratos as a character firsthand is that of the Norse telling. I haven’t ventured into the original trilogy, and I’m not sure I will, but if I do, I know that Kratos will be very different from the one I’ve gotten to know. Though I’ve read up on his past, seen a few videos, etcetera, I might remain biased. (Note that I also tend to play games out of order unintentionally; tftbl before the borderlands series, uncharted 4 before the original games).
In the 2018 game we saw glimpses of a scared, anxious father, not a god, once Atreus fell sick. In Ragnarök, we see more of the fatherly side come out. He trusts his son wholly and fully, he seeks to understand him, and he is open to what the world can teach him. He no longer seeks vengeance, he’s wise and sage, and wishes to, again, “be better.” And, more importantly, make sure his son will be prepared and better than he could ever be.
We only got three, but seeing a (somewhat) vulnerable side of Kratos in those dream sequences with Faye were so lovely. She has been his guide, a teacher without the title, and continues to walk the path with him just like she promised. I wish we had more time with her.
Coming right off a 2018 replay really puts into perspective how massive this game is. The previous one was homegrown: the mission being to scatter the ashes of Faye. In this, there is a war leaking into every realm, no one is left untouched by it, and we see what true evil, unmitigated power could be in the wrong hands. Ragnarök, regardless of how you see it, is a game about family in every way. Found, blood, convinced. Be better. Protect your family. Do what is necessary, not because it is written.
This is long, I know, and I doubt anyone took the time to read this, but I just needed to get my thoughts on the page while they’re fresh. I will, without any doubt at all, be playing this game again soon. And I do truly, truly, highly recommend. It is phenomenal.
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midnightostara · 10 months
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Sleppa Til Vanaheim
Title: Sleppa Til Vanaheim
Fandom: God Of War (Video Game)
Relationship: Kratos x Heimdall
Characters: Kratos, Heimdall, Freyr, Thor, Sif, Thrud, Lunda, Birgir, Beyla, Byggir, Gulltoppr.
Tags: Escape.
Note: Ok so I know I said I didn’t have time to add in a scene that was from House Of The Dragon in Rúni. So I put that scene in this one!
Sleppa -Escape 
PART 1 - https://www.tumblr.com/blog/view/midnightostara/723316383741591552
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“All-Father.” 
"Yes, Jensa?" Odin asked, lifting his head from his desk, papers scattered about. Huginn, his trusted raven, was busy sitting on a perch nearby, preening his feathers.
“I am sorry for interrupting you,” Jensa gave a quick bow. “I am her to tell you that Heimdall had his baby. It’s a boy, he named Rúni.”
Odin’s one-eyed gaze soften a bit but not entirely, putting a hand on the desk and another on his hip. “Well, that is good news to hear. How is Heimdall?”
“He’s tired after the birth but is doing fine.” 
“Good, good, good.” Oding walked around his desk before standing in front. He turned his head away from Jensa for a moment, then back. “Bring Rúni to me, I want to see the baby for myself.”
Jensa bowed. “Yes, All-Father.”
The God of foresight rested peacefully but was attuned to the sounds around him, waiting for Rúni's cries that might signal his need for attention or care, he needed this rest after going through the whole process of giving birth. As he rested, he couldn’t help the heartache that Kratos wasn’t there to greet their son as he was born, or even seeing the enthusiasm from Loki, as he was allowed to come in to meet Rúni and even hold him.
The Aesir diplomat had left the room to give some space for them to have a time to bond. She had informed Heimdall she would come back to give him some of her help on how to take care of Rúni and other things he should know what to do.
The door slightly opened, Thrúd peered in the room, seeing Heimdall was asleep then seeing the cradle. Entering, she slowly and quietly approached the cradle, kneeling in front and peering it. She gazed at Rúni, as he was sleeping in fresh blankets in chrysochlorous with detailed design on the hem in gold, she couldn’t help but to softly coo at the newborn. She carefully reached out and gently brushed her finger against Rúni's cheek, feeling the warmth and softness of his skin. 
"Your so small and fragile." she whispered to herself, her voice barely audible in the quiet room. 
Thrúd's eyes sparkled with a mixture of curiosity and wonder as she continued to observe the sleeping child. She had never been around babies much since of her training to be a Valkyrie, but something about Rúni's presence captivated her. Perhaps it was the innocence he radiated or the sense of new beginnings that he represented.
Lost in her thoughts, Thrúd was startled when she heard a soft rustling behind her. She turned to find Sif standing at the door, a warm and understanding expression on her face.
"I see you couldn't resist coming in to see him." Sif said softly, stepping closer to Thrúd.
The goddess of strength rose to her feet. “Yeah, after hearing from the others about that Uncle Heimdall went into labor and that the baby was here. I… I just wanted to see.” Thrúd glanced to Rúni. “And he’s kinda… cute to look at for a baby.” 
“You were cute as a baby.” Sif smiled, she placed a hand on her daughter’s shoulder. Thrúd bristled a bit in embarrassment at her mom’s comment.
The door opened carefully, Jensa came in quietly, she closed the door behind her but when she turned around she was surprised to see both Sif and Thrúd in the room. 
“M’lady.” Jensa curtsied to Sif. 
Sif nodded gracefully at Jensa “Jensa. Are you here to check Rúni, to see how he is?”
“No, M’lady. Odin has ordered me to bring Rúni to him.” Jensa replied, making Sif tense at Jensa’s report that the All-Father wanted to see Heimdall’s son, alone, without Heimdall with him. 
"Alone? Why would Odin want to see Rúni without Heimdall present?" Sif asked, trying to understand Odin's request. 
Jensa hesitated before answering, "I am not sure, M'lady. Odin did not specify the reason, but he seemed quite insistent."
The god of foresight’s eyes opened. After hearing what Jensa had said about Odin wanting to see his son, there was no way he would let Rúni be alone with the All-Father, since he knew he would have an advantage over Kratos. Still sore, after the birth of Rúni, he gingerly lifted himself up from the bed in a sitting up right position before putting his feet onto the wooden floor.
Heimdall spoke up. “I… I will not allow Odin to see Rúni.” 
Sif, Jensa, and Thrúd turned in his direction in surprise to see he was up and nearly out of bed. The Aesir diplomat glanced to Jensa then back to Heimdall she approached the god of foresight. 
“Heimdall,” She spoke, softly. “You need to rest after your labors.”
The blonde shook his head to her, shoving her hand off of him, he got up on his feet. Wincing at the pain that went through him, but he ignored it. Staggering, he walked over to the crib where Rúni was sleeping, bending over he picked up his sleeping son in his arms, carefully cradling his head and supporting his bottom. He needed to protect his son, he didn’t want Odin to have him in his grasp when he is not around.
Turning around, he walked with stabled steps towards the door, Thrúd jogged over and opened it for Heimdall. The god of foresight gave his niece a nod in her direction before leaving the room, following behind him was Sif.  The Aesir diplomat had told her daughter to stay behind while she goes with Heimdall. 
“Heimdall, please! You need to rest, I can take Rúni to see Odin. He will be safe with me.” Sif voiced. 
Heimdall shook his head. “No. I…. I’m not going to have Odin see Rúni without my presence there.” 
The god of foresight stopped, grimacing when he saw the stairs in front of him. He had to go up them, but with the pain he was in, it was going to be difficult. Sif seeing the hesitance on Heimdall’s face, she gently grasped Heimdall’s arm in support.
“What’s wrong?” she asked. 
Heimdall breathed. “Stairs…” 
The Aesir diplomat looked over to the stairs in front of them, then to Heimdall. “On three.” She started  counting then put one foot on a step, Heimdall followed suit. The god of foresight hissed in discomfort but breathed steadily and carefully, then continued on his path of going to Odin’s workshop.
Passing by other Aesir, who gawked in shock to see Heimdall walking after he had given birth, some murmured to each other in surprised about this scene, taking in some glimpse of his son, especially Thor, who was shocked as well to see his brother walking right after the birth of his son. 
The blonde looked down at Rúni, he gave his son a soft smile, before paying attention to where he was going. 
Passing through the library to the office, Sif and Heimdall met the brisk air of the cave, making their way down another flight of steps. Once making it onto the cool rock below, Heimdall and Sif approached Odin, who was busy looking at the glowing prasinous rift. The rift that he was obsessed to know more about and the knowledge he craves 
“Ah, Jensa, I take it that you have Rú….” Odin started as he turned around, he stopped himself in shock to see Heimdall standing there with Sif, holding the chrysochlorous blanket that had Rúni swaddled.  Gathering himself, he pulled on his sickly calm performance. “Heimdall, my dear son, why are you up? You should be resting after having a long labor.” 
Heimdall frowned at Odin, holding Rúni protectively in his arms. His gaze at the All-Father was stern and unwavering. “I heard you wanted see my son.” 
Odin divulged. “Of course, I have to see if my grandchild is healthy, you know.” He took a step forward towards Heimdall, Heimdall's frown deepened, and he maintained a protective stance, keeping his son, Rúni, close to his body. Sif stood by Heimdall's side, her expression neutral but watchful. Odin noticed the firmness in Heimdall's demeanor and realized that he needed to tread carefully.
Seeing this, The All-Father spoke with a calm tone, trying sway his son in giving him his grandchild. "I understand your concern, Heimdall. I am your father, and I would never wish harm upon my grandchild. I merely wish to see Rúni and ensure that he is well. Let me have a look."
Heimdall hesitated for a moment, knowing that his father had ways to weave words into what he wants, he cautiously handed Rúni to him. Odin held his grandchild gently, examining him closely, seeing slight semblance of Heimdall. Rúni opened his eyes stared up at Odin, with amber eyes. 
The All-Father steadied his gaze to the baby. ‘Eyes just like the man that killed his entire family in Greece.’ He tore his gaze away from Rúni to Heimdall, who remained protective and brimming with anxiety of wanting Rúni return to his arms. Sif gently rubbed Heimdall’s back to ease his anxiety. 
"He is a strong and healthy child, just as I expected," Odin remarked, he approached the god of foresight, keenly returned Rúni back into Heimdall’s arms. 
The god of foresight released a breath he hadn’t realized he was holding after Rúni was returned, safely, in his arms. He still couldn’t read or know of what true intent his father had in mind for his son, since he was blocked off from the All-Father’s mind, but he knew that whatever intention his father had it was to use Rúni as leverage to Kratos so that he would give him the mask. 
Odin turned his back on Heimdall and Sif, he stopped before turning to them. “You may leave.” he said, then paid his attention towards his desk. 
Sif gave a nod to the All-Father, gently she helped guide Heimdall back up the stairs to head back to his room. 
The sun dipped below the horizon, the room was bathed in a warm, golden glow. The soft rays of light filtered through the curtains, casting long shadows on the floor. The walls seemed to come alive with a stunning display of colors, a picturesque scene of orange, pink, and yellow hues blending harmoniously.
Heimdall looked outside the room while rocking side to side on the bed, humming a lullaby that he faintly remember his mother sang to him, as he was feeding Rúni. Looking away from the window, he looked down at Rúni, who was contently suckling away on his chest.
“Sjónin dámar, og hvønn kvøld Lívið hvílir í fangi tín. Havfrúgvørur, tey syngja so ljótt. Barnið, dreym um seg í ørindið.” Heimdall sanged, softly, as he continued to watch Rúni have his fill. 
Once his belly was full on warmth milk, the god of foresight took Rúni to his shoulder to burp him. The baby let out a small burp, Heimdall settled him back on his chest, where the baby snuggled comfortably. 
The room was slowly growing darker, the blonde couldn’t help but marvel at Rúni - his delicate features that were of his own, his innocent amber eyes, and his frown that reminded him of Kratos. He smiled at his baby rubbing Rúni’s soft cheek, though deep down he wished Kratos was here or that he wished he had Rúni at Sindri’s house where they could marvel at their baby.
Getting up, Heimdall gently laid Rúni down in his crib, the baby started to settle. Heimdall, kneeling, he softly sang another lullaby, to soothe Rúni in a peaceful slumber.  The same lullaby that he remembered Freya singing to Baldur when he was a baby, he knew it was a Vanir lullaby that Freya wanted to have Baldur know of it, to him it brought some solace since he had it sung to him before when he was sick. 
Rúni, snuggled in his blankets, closed his eyes and fell asleep when Heimdall hummed. Seeing his son asleep, the god of foresight leaned to give him a quick peck on his chubby cheek and rose to head back towards the bed.
“Heimdall.” 
Heimdall hissed a gasp before whittling around to see Thor, standing there, he huffed out a sigh. “I’m seriously going to put a bell on you.” 
“Sorry.” Thor said, unapologetically. 
The god of thunder walked over to the crib, looking down at Rúni, then back to Heimdall. “Cute kid.” 
The god of foresight gave his brother a  nod. “Thank you….”
Thor walked back towards the door, opening it slightly, he poked his head out taking some quick glanced left and right before closing the door again to face Heimdall. The blonde looked confused on why Thor did that. Both stood in silence as they looked at each other.
Thor, after some silence, finally spoke. “Do you want to get out of here?”
Heimdall furrowed his brow, confused on what Thor was meaning of ‘get out of here”. He didn’t understand of what his brother meant by that. “What do you mean by ‘get out of here’ brother?”
“I was meaning of you getting out of Asgard with your son, to a place where you two are safe.” Thor elaborated, making Heimdall’s breath caught in his throat of what Thor really meant. Most shocking for him is that Thor was helping him, normally they don’t see eye to eye and had a strain relationship. But here was his older half-brother offering his assistance to help him get away.
“Your… Your helping me to…  to escape?” Heimdall said, slowly. Thor nodded to him.
“What else does it look like?”
The blonde wanted to answer but he didn’t have any retorts that he had in his mind. Another thing that hopped in his mind was about Odin’s ravens especially Huginn that teleported anyone to a destination that they needed to go but he knew that the blasted raven would alert Odin about his escape. 
“I don’t understand.” Heimdall uttered, distrustful. “What made up your mind about helping me? Would you rather prefer that I stayed here and wait until Odin uses my son as leverage?”
“Listen, I may hate your guts. But Rúni is innocent, he’s no pawn of whatever the All-Father has in mind. Besides, you want to go back to that dumbass of yours.”
Heimdall bristled. “Hey! He maybe a dumbass but he’s MY dumbass, you piece of trash.” Thor gave a chuckle.
“Anyway, I had Thrúd get Gulltoppr to meet us in front of the great lodge. Get Rúni.” The god of thunder walked out of the room but held open the door for Heimdall. 
The god of foresight immediately went back to Rúni’s crib and gently picked him up in his arms, securing his son against him, walking out of the room. Thor closed the door, quietly. Following behind Thor, they went through the great lodge and hall in their own stillness till reaching to the front of the lodge.
Opening the door, awaiting their arrival was Gulltoppr, the gradungr walked towards Heimdall. Pleased in a way to see his master, before paying attention to Rúni. The Gradungr sniffed at Rúni for a while till he acknowledged his tiny master. 
Lifting Heimdall up, Thor placed him on the saddle. The blonde took the reigns, then turned to Thor. 
“Where do you think your going to go?” Thor asked.
Heimdall responded, simply. “Vanaheim. Freyr has his camp there that I’ve been too, I know he’s probably with Freya at Sindri’s house but I know that his army are there.”
Thor nodded to him, as the god of thunder was going to go back inside the great lodge without a word. Heimdall stopped him.
“...Thank you.” Heimdall whispered. 
Thor waved his hand, in a somewhat dismissive way. “Yeah, yeah.”
Heimdall turned his attention to Gulltoppr. “Take us to Vanaheim, boy.” 
Gulltoppr made a rumble before taking off.
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also i looked at the leaks for god of war ragnarok, and i remember people commenting very cheekily about how apparently odin was tyr in disguise, and i didnt pay it too much mind bc i dont think one of the leaked vids was that, but in the game when atreus was gunning to free tyr, i was reminded of it, put the thought aside bc nothing really interesting was happening, then suddenly, boom, odin was tyr and then leaves and that's it. i think the idea totally could have been good, but it really was just like a random... surprise moment that ended up killing brok. i dont even really know what the purpose of the scene was, lol, odin didnt take that mask back??? it felt like how mcu thor described loki, being a lil sneaky for jokes.
if i seriously wanna think abt it, i guess i could go back and examine fake-tyr's every action, but overall i think there was no noticeable intention of that disguise, especially with a game that is very heavy-handed in telling you the theme and how to play the game. maybe i could say it was to sew discord in their group, making them turn on atreus to lead him to asgard/him, but frankly, if odin wasnt actually tyr, there wouldnt have been a difference, lol?? he didnt wear down freya's self-worth dissuading her from fighting, or re-manipulate her again, he didnt steal tools from brok/sindri or prevent them from making tools, he didnt feed mimir false info, or anything else. yes, i know it was apparently for him to spy on them, but they seemed to be progressing fairly well, not at all an instance of "guys, the enemy seems to know out every move! nothing we do is working, why... it seems... we might have a mole!" and theres some drama abt trust and whatnot, he literally was just there as Pathetic!AU tyr lol (and ig to kill brok narratively)
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whatskraken · 1 year
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God of War is still my favorite contemporary video game in terms of play style and story delivery, but did anyone else feel like Ragnarok was just Fimbulwinter DLC?
The actual in-game Ragnarok was literally just an on-rails Ghost of Tsuchima chapter-ending strategic fortress siege?? I think they probably initially did this to reconcile the fact that you can’t have an apocalypse that doesn’t actually affect the entire world, but “magic and myth are bound to their homelands” denied me of feeling any sort of stakes in the war? Kratos isn’t from here, the Fall of Olympus meant nothing to the Norse cannon, so why does this insular war affect me? Why did we make such a big deal connecting all the Gods of War through Tyr if the Celts and Egyptians and Japanese versions aren’t going to council at least in an inter-dimensional cut scene.
“THE PROPHECY!” you say? Nope. Sorry. We deus-ex-machina’d that plot-driver by letting giants literally retcon anything we feel like. Maybe if the giant’s prophecy was something clever like “you THOUGHT the Norse meant this, but if you look at it from a different camera angle using our Giant Magic you’ll notice this shattering detail!” Instead we got “here’s a ‘secret’ true ending that we just totally made up in contrast to the one you thought you saw. Except for the most important one— in that case we just say the giants can’t POSSIBLY bother to add secret retcons to EVERY shrine, silly!!!”
I also feel like we got ripped off from experiencing the in-world justifications for the stuff in IRL Norse mythology I was looking forward to the storytellers clarifying. Cool we figure out how Jormangandur is “born” of Loki, but the ouroboros notion of Ragnarok isn’t ever explained. They even joke during an end-game boat ride story: “How did that big snake recognize you?! Must be time travel or something?!?!?!?” Remember that boar from last game? Remember that squirrel runic companion? We forgot we kinda wanted to flesh them out so as long as we joke about the meta it’s cool to add them back.
Odin at first is so fascinating because his clever conniving villainy is just…….systemic capitalism. THATS a smart way to address his traditional anti-hero/noble-villain status in mythology. But if I slice Elon Musk in half with a hammer, an entire realm whose singular economy is based off exploitative industrial slave labor isn’t really free from the tyranny of their own societal structure. I guess in a sense, Kratos killing Zeus/Odin and destroying the realms of gods in both Olympus/Asgard helps explain our current non-magical, non-god-driven secular reality. But that’s not the theme or goal of these games, narratively. Ragnarok always felt inevitable, but never necessary.
Odin asks so many interesting ethical questions about the meaning of godhood SEPARATE from its impact on the life of a generic mortal. His answers to moral quandaries never felt manipulative or dark-sided: in fact I think he and Kratos always gave Atreus two sides of the same advice. However it felt like every time we jumped back to Kratos & Freya insisting on Odin’s villainy, the writers never gave them enough justification to counteract his sound logic. We start to touch on the question of “what toll does Machiavellian decision-making take on the psyche of a god, and how does the psyche handle when traditional morality is off the table?” Kratos is directly allowed to do MAJOR morally dubious things through a constant lens of protagonist favor. “Open your heart to their suffering” because Kratos Is Main Character so all destruction is sacrifice worth the cost. ODIN IS BADGUY BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE FINAL BOSS BATTLE!!!!!
Remember in the post-game of the original how Fimbulwinter reskinned the entire hub world in response to Ragnarok approaching? Well even though we make a BIG deal about how all realms have their own unique seasonal weather affectations, the END of Ragnarok doesn’t actually cosmetically affect any of the realms in the reverse direction after the final battle. There’s nothing new or interesting to see in any realm (even though this would have been the coolest way to motivate players to go back and explore) but hey you can FOLLOW THE PATH BACKWARDS AND OPEN ONE OR TWO MORE TREASURE CHESTS! Some of that ouroboros sci-fi logic would have been perfect here: pieces of Asgard blocking major pathways from the start of the game that were actually a result of the final battle. That mirror-logic already exists in other cool ways: Memir comments on how the stories of Jotenheim say the landscape is SO BEAUTIFUL, but that “legendary beauty” is really a fungal overgrowth of decaying bodies of (literal) giants. The Mother Forge is an underwater mermaid because “the essence of a thing isn’t the same as the reality of a thing.” That’s not a logic applied to the entirety of the world-building, only when it’s convenient.
When the game breaks off to solo Atreus play, I was pumped to experience how every single character was going to get unique play style. Instead they just all end up as reskins of Original Boy. This isn’t an insane issue, but it only ever felt like I was adventuring with Brok/Sindri/Freya because we wanted to have some sidebar dialogue, not because the gameplay necessitated new skills or unique puzzles.
When I played the original, there were moments that floored me artistically and changed the way I think about video games as a medium. I know some of my lofty expectations come from comparing this dev cycle to unhealthy industry practices of others. Yes GOW Ragnarok is a really really really clean and solid experience. But if we’re complaining that to Assassins Creed and franchises that push out “unfinished product only considered a finished AAA game once 3 DLC packs are released 3 years later,” then TBH Ragnarok is admittedly pretty anemic overall in comparison. Maybe I’m the issue with the industry, but there wasn’t really enough of a significant shift in scope, gameplay, or narrative/cinematics for me to think of this installment as anything but “a continuation of existing digital assets rearranged to wrap up a masterpiece that we didn’t feel like bloating into a trilogy.”
I think we’re going to get some extra gameplay out of Atreus. I do believe this is Santa Monica’s end with Kratos: I think Sony let them put him to bed. We’ll either get a third game in the “Valhalla series” that’s focused on Loki/Tyr (and will HOPEFULLY follow up on the non-Norse Gods of War & expanded locations hinted at in the 2018 game) for a true epic reboot a la 2018, OR they’ll poop out one more existing realm’s worth of DLC and give us 5 minutes of Faye as a Kratos re-skin DLC to wrap up this cycle.
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Another hot take that I have is that if Atreus does die or that if Kratos does end up killing his son, the series should end there on the simple fact that it would prove that Kratos's rage and anger is something he cannot control and that he's nothing but a monster. The reason we even gave him a pass in the first game was because he was manipulated into it but even then he suffered severe consequences for killing his wife and child. He wouldn't want to live anymore with having Atreus dead, he literally says he would die to see Atreus live and imo you guys are undermining Atreus's importance to Kratos and undermining all the training he went through, throughout Atreus's childhood and all those years we haven't seen him.
Imo to say that he would kill Atreus or Loki in a blind rage or even to say he would kill him at all, he would probably die at his son's hands before he would go through the immense trauma of killing him whether he's angry or not, I cannot see him killing Atreus and if he does I want him to suffer the severe consequences and trauma of doing so. If Atreus dies I would want to see him get angry with himself and call out to Atreus once more, trying to save his child that is already gone, deceased, and covered in his own blood but his child is dead and he can't live with the fact he killed another one of his children. Someone he was supposed to protect with his life and he was the monster who took his children's life, unable to live or be willing to live with that fact if Freya, Odin, or Thor are still alive then I'd imagine he'd want to kill himself. If they refuse, we get a scene in which he falls to his death and that is where the story ends. You guys are fine with a whole ass child or teen dying at Kratos's hands, undoing all of the work, effort, and time that was put into the game at showing Kratos isn't the raging bloodthirsty man he was before and reducing him down to that and show that none of it meant nothing. If anything, I feel the game is gonna go down the route of Atreus dying but Loki being reborn if you know what I mean he doesn't go by Atreus anymore and embraces Loki and leaves his dad's side and or his dad doesn't want to raise Loki so he lets him go. That maybe after Ragnarok, Atreus dies in a way that his joy died, that he isn’t Atreus anymore, the boy with a kind heart, with a sentimental streak, and the boy who just wanted his father’s approval. That Loki is reborn after Ragnarok or he embraces that side of him and becomes Loki, regardless of whether Kratos wants it or not he becomes Loki. He is Loki. Imo it makes me lowkey uncomfortable ya’ll are willing to sacrifice a child so you can give Kratos a lot of trauma and not to mention get rid of one of the main character’s who influences Kratos’s change. Yes, Atreus tries Kratos all the time, he angers him but do you really think he would kill his child? Imo, he’d die or let him kill him if he believes Atreus will live, similar to Freya he would sacrifice himself for Atreus in a heartbeat. I don’t believe Kratos’s rage is that bad or that he wants to punish Atreus. I don’t believe that at all.
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Did Wukong ever help Loki defeat Thor and take his owers and soul? And how did they do that?
Wukong wasn't in the scene quite yet for that, but he does have a good laugh about it when he hears the story!
As for how Loki did it, well he learned to steal divine powers soon after his trip across India and Central Asia. it's about the time he fully grasped the nature of Fate and the concept of Dharma. it's also connected to an attempt of a deity to "deal" with him by, separating his human part into a young child and his Giant/God part into a beast that could be trapped. he reunites both sides of himself of course, but he learns how the deity did it and how to do the same to others.
So, Loki misleads Thrúd into becoming her teacher behind her family's back, and by encouraging her to wield all her powers, he steals her divinity and leaves her all but mortal. Thor finds out pretty much right away (hard to miss smth this monumental after all), and using Thrúd as bait, Loki uses his reappearance in Asgard and the threat of killing his faughter to get Thor to go all out, and thus do the same power snatch to him.
Thor is still a father after all, and he won't lose another child. And that's exactly what Loki is counting on.
So while he's vulnerable, Loki uses his theatrical skills to pretend he smashed Thor's head in with Mjolnir (which he also steals lmao), while he syphons his soul into the hammer and absconds.
Little secret for only Loki and Odin is, that was just a clone of him; the real him was going for the mask piece, which Odin snagged before Loki could. They have a chummy (read very sugarcoated bitterness) conversation though, Odin thinking Loki's masterplan was to create a ruckus for the mask. Fool Odin, Loki just wanted to keep him busy while he finished his move with Thor and Thrúd.
So now Asgard is one powerhouse deity down, Thrúd is all but mortal and thus useless to Odin and no longer a viable pawn for him, and with meither, Sif has little to no incentive to play along to Odin's wants and might even be persuaded to ditch Asgard. All in one day's work.
Of course, Kratos and Atreus and the others are less than impressed, what with taking out Thor is sure to make Odin unpredictable and cornered, but Loki doesn't care for their approval. All he has eyes for is his end goal. If Odin gets snappy, then all the less chances that the group can stop Ragnarok. And well, now that he made his move, all of Asgard's eyes will be on Loki, goving the others plenty of space to do whatever they want to before the last act.
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Why do you think they changed the story where Thor is disguised as Freya in the game?
I think God of War altered that story for two reasons:
1. Loki is disguised as well as a handmaiden and is the one who really pushes that plan. You can’t really do that story without Loki.
2. “Man in dress” jokes are transphobic.
I do plan on incorporating that myth and Thor drinking the ocean in the fic, though. ‘Aphrodite’ and her handmaidens wish to have an audience and feast in Odin’s hall while discussing how to take down Kratos. They’re out to get Thor’s belt. Atreus is the one who comes up with the idea and him and Angrboda look adorable.
It’s pretty important because it’s when Atreus realizes he’s gender fluid with help from Angrboda. So, Kratos and his daughter have a sweet bonding moment where he fixes her peplos, gives her a necklace, and tells her how much she looks like Faye. The whole Aphrodite scene in 3 is absolutely cursed so when the kids think handmaidens they’re not thinking that. Angrboda and Atreus help each other with their makeover and it’s so wholesome.
‘Aphrodite’ is also hot as hell (literally). Definitely has a different design than God of War 3, though. Atreus and Angrboda get a front row view of Thor drinking the never ending mead horn and vomiting up a volume of water greater than the Great Lakes for the chance of ‘Aphrodite’ bearing him a son who doesn’t suck as much as Magni and Modi. The aftermath unironically floods Asgard and Odin’s halls, but they get the belt.
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When Kratos got the Draupnir Spear and Odin soon after appeared and talked to him, was Loki there with him? Because i feel like he would say something against Odin's argument about Godhood.
Loki avoids being around Odin in general. he already has to be around Tyr, and he knows Kratos is very insightful; he doesn't want him to connect his behavior around Odin with his behavior around Tyr, the group needs to connect the dots on their own cus he knows they distrust him.
they know he doesn't outright lie but they are intent on the (not unfounded) belief that his hatred for Odin blinds him and muddles his thoughts. so anything he say about or around the guy is met with some distrust and doubt, even from Freya and Mimir who have direct experience with Odin.
so he senses Odin coming in and he makes himself scarce for a little while, though he's close by, watching. he pops back in right away, which Kratos confronts him about; why not take the chance for revenge right then? Loki mentions fate, he didn't go for the guy cus it isn't in his nature, just like Odin wouldn't have talked if he had been there, because it's not his nature to take too stupid risks.
they talk about Atreus and Heimdall and such, but overall the scene happens as expected; except Loki reminds Kratos that despite where he is, it isn't in Atreus' nature to give up on what's important to him, and for all their conflict, Kratos is still the most important thing to Atreus. He won't give up on his old an so easily. Loki should know; after all these centuries, he hasn't given up on his father either.
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Any scenes in Icarus that aren’t from the game?
There’s several side plots that diverge from the main game and presumably Ragnarök:
Angrboda is Tyr’s daughter. Her mother was a friend of Faye, and while that would seemingly make her way older than Atreus, her birth is explained to make it so they’re the same age.
The reason why Tyr has so much jewelry and art in his vault is not just as a peace offering between pantheons, he got them for Angrboda’s mother. Tyr is so despondent about losing his wife and unborn child, unlike Kratos who was full of rage.
Angrboda is Freyr’s adopted daughter! She lives in Vanaheim and is kind of an outcast though Freyr and his wife try to be good parents.
Helios goes to Asgard before Kratos and the Gang ever do. He thinks Odin will take back to Greece because fuck Kratos. It does not go well.
Zeus’ symbol is an eagle, and as soon Odin mentions this, it is all downhill for Helios. If you’ve seen Vikings, you know where this is going (I know it’s very inaccurate, but my god it’d send a message to Kratos). Freya has to watch, it’s horrible.
This leads to Atreus and Kratos having a beautiful father and son moment, though, as well as Kratos’ growth as a person.
Loki has two brothers. There’s a reason why Faye hates Thor and it ties to Freya and the wedding.
Shit happens to Magni so he lives and gets a redemption arc. Fuck Modi, he’s a creep and even more of a raging piece of shit than Magni so if the theories are true that he’s getting redeemed I’m gonna vomit.
Someone else comes back from Kratos’ past and now it’s a full blown family reunion.
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