#thank you jay <3

[ihugmomo]

goodbye Jay Weinberg, it sucks that his time with Slipknot was cut short after 10 years. the last three albums he was apart of was amazing, everything he did for Slipknot won't be in vain. we'll miss you, king!! 🤘❤🖤

(why do they keep leaving 😭🥺)

#jay weinberg #thank you jay <3 #we'll miss you #🤘🤘🖤 #slipknot

[tiny-tigers]

Might cheer you up a bit - Theo Dan says about five words of French in today’s Inside Line episode! No idea if his accent’s any good though (he did A level French apparently, and I did not…)

oh my goodness lord Jay thank you very much <3

He is such a cutieeepieee (and they really do looks like brothers sometimes with Jack it is uncanny)

His accent is okayish better than Jack if you want my opinion but it is absolutely NOT how I would translate "inside line" tho ...

Because it's losing the sense of "backstage" so inside I would rather translate it in "interne" and "line" as "ligne" is correct but "ligne intérieur" is more of a warzone vocab so I wouldn't rather use "inside point of view" and let go the "line" but I'm no translator I will try to think about a correct translation tho but his translation is wrong or the one they made for him is.

#THANK YOU JAY <3

[willcamposleftnut]

hope your ass feels better pookie

Thank you thank you call me hermie the unworthy the why i drink pepto bismol to cure my diarrhea 😔

#goblin mode #asks #thank you jay <3

[mhaccunoval]

tagged by @jaybirdsdelight​ in this little game!!!

1.) take this ‘How Fandom Would See You If You Were A Fictional Character‘ quiz

2.) make yourself in this picrew

3.) take this personality character quiz

4.) share your results

mine:

💞 tagging anyone who wants to play 💞

#pant rambles #tag game #thank you jay <3 #i meant to do this sooner but wanted to be able to on my 'puter

[just-an-inchident]

7, 26, 38?

Have a great weekend!! Not long to go!! <3

Yes, I’m finally free!! Enjoy your weekend, too, Jay <3

7 - Have you ever donated blood?

Not yet, but I definitely want to!

I used to be afraid of needles and sharp objects for a looong time. When I was 16 they made me do an allergy test and I started crying. I was so senisitve and scared back then, even though it was just a few pinpricks in the forearm which didn‘t even hurt.

However, last year I had to go to the doctor / the hospital to draw blood quite a few times and also I got three tattoos + three covid vaccinations and it was not too bad at all, so the fear seems to be gone, yay!

26 - Have you ever won a contest?

Haha, yes! I won a maths contest in primary school and a few different sports competitions. Are you proud of me now? :)

38 - Do you collect anything?

Salty tears from all the races Charles didn‘t win…

No for real now, not really. I have a few nice stones tho (it comes naturally with all the geology classes I had) and I always buy postcards for myself when I‘m going on vacation / on a trip.

#thank you jay <3 #ask game #stina‘s asks #jay tag 💕

[coconutshygame]

2, 18, 23

Wohoo yay here we go!

2. What would make you quit the sport?

Unless Lando joins Redbull..probably Max retiring. I love the sport because of Max and I love redbull as a team sooo much, I like all the mechanics individually as well as a team. So if Max leaves, and the team doesn't get a driver I'm involved in, I'd probably watch casually! I also have adhd so I will eventually lose interest, it's a must :D

18. Who's the best TP and who's the hottest?

CHRISTIAN SPICE HORNER. Both best and hottest. I remember after 2 episodes of drive to survive, I was obsessed with him. Couldn't stand him a few episodes later cause a friend convinced me he's evil. And loved him again cause he loves Max so much!

23. What's a moment that made you cry about F1?

It actually hasn't happened yet. I mean I always say "I'm emotional" or "I'm crying again", especially about the wdc. But I actually never cried actual tears... Does heart rate reaching 180 count tho?

Send me an ask about Formula 1

#Thank you Jay <3

[ahalliance]

Antoine, reading chat: “My favourite work/creation on QSMP?” Pomme

#qsmp #antoine daniel #jay liveblogs #??????? #is that a ref to his lore or ??????? he did a little cough afterwards too im like . okay sir #qantoine created the eggs theory part….. 10! #for my frenchies the question was ‘mon œuvre préféré’ specifically #thank you antoine for making lore refs checks stream 3 hours and 30 mins into ur valorant stream . amazing stuff

[berrygoji]

i'm late to this but I wanted to do one too so:

reblog for larger sample size, if you want idk.

#this can also be a “get to know jay better!” post #I wanted to add more but we'll stick to these for now #i'm tarnishing my image enough with this one #02.02.24 #thank you pixie for getting me to post this #it's been in my drafts for almost 3 months now

[berryblu-arts]

Context

Lloyd's powers don't exist in nature by default like the others', so he can't surround himself with it like they can

Thankfully the alternative isn't half bad :') <3

#listen this doesnt make complete sense; but yall know what it does make? #it *makes* me happy >:') #i will take any excuse to give the greenbean a hug thank you UwU <3 #ninjago #my art #fanart #lloyd garmadon #jay walker #nya smith #kai smith #cole brookstone #zane julien #doodle #ns1

[tangledinink]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE AT LEAST GIVE HIM LAKE AND BROTHERS AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE! WERE TRYING

better get some more votes in over the next three hours. 🤷🏻‍♂️

#conscript your friends-- message your discord servers-- #slash lighthearted slash jay #i know yall are trying lmao thank you i appreciate it greatly ; w ; #i believe in yall u w u #ur doing great #.... just do like. three and a half percent better #and THEN ill give him brother/lake <3 #asks #anon

[tiger-balm]

bo cam | rockies @ jays | april 14th 2024

#thank you sportsnet for all the bo shots <3 #what was he going through #bo bichette #toronto blue jays #jays lb #baseball #*

[melit0n]

EUCLID ANALYSIS.

Told you guys it was coming, didn't I? I apologise that this has taken a bit longer than expected, my mental health hit me like a bullet train, but I do hope it's sufficient.

Part one -> You're already here!

Part two -> Line by line analysis part 1

Part three -> Line by line analysis part 2

Part four -> Musical/intrumental notes

Part five -> The Night in Sleep Token

Part six -> Conclusion

Please note this is a general analysis. Although I do go into theories, both my own and others, this is just general thoughts. Also note when I speak of Vessel, I mean Vessel as a character, not the person, unless I specifically state so.

Tagline: @rilllvri @a-s-levynn @fivewholeminutes @euclidsvessel @tonguetyd @moonchild-in-blue @kkarmatic @branches-in-a-flood

+ Some people were worried about spam liking/reblogging the last time I did one of these big analysis posts, and I want to say please don't worry about that! I get happy when I see the same users pop up liking and reblogging my work, because it means you're interested in this enough to go through the whole thing. Feel completely free to add your own thoughts, correct any errors I've made etc. As per usual, my DMs are completely open to anybody wanting to discuss ST <3

Let's start off with the basics. ‘Euclid’ is the anglicised version of the Greek name Eukleídes (Εὐκλείδης), mainly known via the ancient Greek mathematician Euclid of Alexandria, who is seen as the ‘father of geometry’, and most famous for his work on symmetry. Its general definition is something or someone who is renowned and or glorious (A) and the lesser known definition is something that is a copy of the same (B) (taken from Euclid’s ideas on symmetry), which we’ll come back to in a bit.

However, there is another Euclid in history that we’ll be referencing; Euclid of Megara. This Euclid, similar to our mathematician, was an ancient Greek Socratic (having been a pupil of Socrates) philosopher. I’ll be taking part of a text out of his Wikipedia article since his ideas have been explained thoroughly there.

(we'll be coming back to him soon)

First off, this is an incredibly interesting choice of name for a song. Outside of someone's maths and philosophy class, this name doesn't exist to most, so the fact it's been chosen at all is intriguing.

Vessel has shown time and time again he enjoys sometimes elaborate references in his art, an example being chemistry and biology in TPWBYT (most notable would probably be ‘Telomeres’), so, I think it would be easy to say that, whether it be a reference to Euclid the Mathematician or Euclid the philosopher, that said reference is understood and intended by Vessel.

So, let's start with our mathematician, shall we?

What I find interesting about Euclid of Alexandria is that his life and existence outside of his work on geometry is almost completely unknown. There's almost nothing known of him, as a person, other than where he spent half of his career (Alexandria; Egypt, hence his title), where he may have studied (Platonic academy) and a general idea of when he lived (around 300BC). What is known about this insanely famous man who created the foundations of symmetry is incredibly barebones. People take Euclid at face value for his work, just like Vessel (both as an artist, and a character).

Further, we, as listeners, don't have much of an understanding of who Vessel is other than being a mouthpiece of a deity known as Sleep, someone once human now grasping at the threads of humanity and someone sharing some of his struggles in life (both with Sleep and unknown people). Like Euclid, he is barebones, we take him at face value; a vessel. He is both a mouthpiece for Sleep, a mouthpiece for his own emotions (obviously) and a mouthpiece for us. His experiences transcend being just his, due to his anonymity, therefore allowing us to connect and express our own experiences. It's music for the sake of music; expression.

Now, having talked through Euclid as a person, it's time to talk about Euclid and his symmetry. Symmetry in shapes is 'reflections, rotations, translations, and combinations of these basic operations. Under an isometric transformation, a geometric object is said to be symmetric if, after transformation, the object is indistinguishable from the object before the transformation- a copy of the same’. So, of course, this means shapes like squares, rectangles, parallelograms and circles. Circles are a representation of infinity, wholeness, unity and loops. What does Euclid do? Loop itself (starts and ends with B major, which also happens to be the same chord that TNDNBTG starts with), and loops the three albums together, musically and lyrically.

Now, onto Euclid of Megara.

Euclid was born in Megara, Athens and was a follower of Socrates (sneaking into Athens to hear him speak, and he was also present during his death). He is most known for his philosophy that good is the knowledge of simply being and that the opposite of good does not exist, aka evil. The Good is described to be a perfect, eternal, and changeless Form, existing outside space and time. A form of Heaven without a God.

This idea could be linked lore-wise with Sleep Token; Sleep could, in a way, be The Good literally. Bliss. Further, with the idea that there is no actual opposite of good, then how can anything be bad? How can Sleep, as a deity, have bad intentions if there is no actual evil?

So far, with these two notable figures in mind, we can perceive Euclid as one of two ways (and there are more ways to come). Euclid can be seen as quite literally being a form of symmetry; a parallel that Vessel lays his life on because it brings all of the produced albums, all of his stories, together. Or, we can think of Euclid as Vessel. This brings me to @euclidsvessel's post on their theory on Euclid; what if Euclid was Vessel’s name before he became a vessel?

The theory that Euclid could be Vessel’s old name is not only extremely insightful, but very plausible as well. They explained their points very well in their original post, and I don't want to repeat what they’ve already said, so I do implore you to go read that! It's not detrimental to needing to understand this post, but I highly recommend it. Despite this, I am here to both support their argument and bring my own comparison. Take a look at the cover art for Euclid:

Let me repeat the lesser-known definition of Euclid; a copy of the same. A clone. A replacement. Held in the right hand is the decapitated head of Vessel's old (2nd gen.) mask. Specifically, the one that covers his mouth; the version that relinquishes the most amount of humanity. The album art is a representation of change portrayed in a symbolically gory way. Beheading, depending on the era you’re working from, symbolises both vengeance as well as a form of purification. By cutting off the head, you remove any ‘unholy’ thoughts. It's also among one of the most horrific and humiliating ways of killing someone (since it was typically done publicly, and sometimes the heads were placed on spikes of battlements as a warning).

Furthermore, there's a theory that's popped up a couple of times, lore-wise, that Vessel is not the first person to be turned into a vessel of Sleep, and he certainly won't be the last. So, considering the literal album art illustrates a replacement of Vessel, I’d say that theory is pretty much confirmed. In conclusion, the album art can either be interpreted as how Vessel will eventually be discarded and replaced by another vessel, or how Vessel himself will change, for better or for worse; clawing out of his own skin to become “someone new”.

So, to compare the idea of Euclid being Vessel’s old name, and to create the third perception of what or rather, who, Euclid is, what if Euclid will be the eventual replacement for Vessel?

#I would like to mention that the idea of a 'Euclid class object's floated around Reddit theories for Euclid as well #said objects are 'anomalies that are either insufficiently understood or inherently unpredictable' #I didn't include this because it's from SCP and I thought it highly unlikely that it could be a refrence to that #but then again; a lot of the lyrics refrence hardware and un-understandable things so I thought I'd say something about it #masaive thank you to Nine for spurring me on to continue writing this and eventually post it with their theory post #just a very big thank you to everybody on ST Tumblr who post any analysis bits because you all inspire me #with that said #I hope these will be interesting for you all <3 #sleep token #st #mel's rambles #euclid #euclid sleep token #sleep token analysis #vessel #vessel sleep token #tmbte #sleep token tmbte #hiding in here that I felt a bit like Hamilton writing these #'John Jay got sick after writing five...James Madison wrote twenty nine...Hamilton wrote the oTHER FIFTY ONE' #apologies to anybody who reads that lmao

[ask-lightning-in-a-bottle-jay]

Do you have a plan for getting out?

He’s tried and failed to many times already, and paid the price.

#ask-blogs #lego ninjago #ninjago jay #skybound #jay ninjago #ninjago #jay walker #ninjago fanart #lightning in a bottle! au #ninjago art #i love getting asks #<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 #thank you all so much for the support

[beetlecakes]

hello I'm back again !!! Do you have any head canons about Jay 🙏

YES YES YES I LOVE HIM SO MUCH

Everyone gets shocked when they touch him due to static electricity

Takes mister cuddlywomp with him on missions

It’s hidden in his bag so no one can find him

Still has scars from misfortunes keep

There’s a chore list and Jay will refuse to mop

The others get annoyed but will drop it due to Jay being so adamant about it

Had an accent OKAY ACTUALLY HE DID IN THE FIRST EPISODE AND IM STILL MAD ABOUT IT

Used to cover his freckles but one day he went swimming with Nya and she made a comment saying she thought they were cute so he stopped covering them up

Will get obliterated and still walk off fine but as soon as he gets a paper cut, he’s acting like his hand was cut off

His reflexes are super quick

His eye will still bug him from misfortunes keep

Had a lisp growing up

Loves country music but leans towards folk

Has 300+ hours on Minecraft probably

They all have a shared world

Jay will go back into his Minecraft fixation like every few months and no one will see him unless they have a mission

He’ll show up all grumpy bc he just found diamonds

Or it’s 2 pm and he was still sleeping bc he was up till 7am playing

#ninjago #jay walker headcanons #jay walker ninjago #jay walker #ninjago headcanons #thank you moot <3

[boyfridged]

You may have already mentioned this in some of your other metas, and I just missed it, so please ignore this if it's redundant.

Do you think Bruce is projecting onto Jason by pushing him as a Robin? Obviously, Jason wanted to be Robin and was excited about it, and Bruce let Jason do other things, but (if I'm not mistaken) before Tim came into play, solidifying the whole Batman needs a Robin/support to keep him upright, Bruce and Dick becoming Batman and Robin, in the beginning, was also sort of a coping mechanism.

I think there are a few examples of Bruce enabling this kind of mindset. Like in Gotham Knights #43–44 (sorry), every time Barbara brings up Jason's inner turmoil, Bruce refocuses on his ability as a Robin; similarly, when Jason finds out about Two-Face and his dad, he is hurt, and Bruce acknowledges that but then does the same thing, zeroing in on reassuring Jason that he made a mistake but is still a good Robin.

Like, Jason got it from Bruce, but he unintentionally encouraged that kind of thinking.

oh, i definitely think that bruce is projecting on jason and that it profoundly affected jay. and, while every single one of your observations is apt, i would add that what truly made it so tragic is that he projected his own worst traits on jason while being blind to the fact that jay already shared his best qualities.

tldr: bruce projects himself on jason in terms of grief (saying that jason needs vigilantism to work his grief through) and sees his own worst traits in jason (anger) but doesn't see his own best traits in jay (compassion, love, and sensitivity). ironically, jason does end up developing all of the (projected) worst characteristics of bruce (obsessiveness, and relentlessness in pursuit of the respective perceived idea of justice). this happens even though they were barely present in his early storylines, and only ever manifested when jason was scared or lost. later, they truly came to be because of his trauma relating to vigilantism.

and the long, long version, coming with panels and quotes: under the cut.

first i want to say that the following analysis focuses very specifically on bruce's mistakes, but i don't view the overall of jay's upbringing by bruce solely in these terms. from text it is also clear that bruce deeply loves and cares about jay, and that jay enjoys being robin. now that this is clear, let's get to particularities, and start with jay's origin story.

i truly never stop thinking about the significance of bruce meeting jay in the crime alley, the place of his parents' death. there's a lot to be said about it, but here the focus is, of course, on the fact that he sees a little boy, very much similar to himself, angry and hurt, in the same scenery that brought him so much grief. and jay in some ways does appear to be a mirror of bruce's own agonies, as well as a mirror of his own inclination for seeking justice; and somehow, bruce fixates on the first one, while almost completely dismissing the latter.

bruce looks at him and assumes that the remedy to jason's pain and anger is being robin; and he doesn't stop to think about it. (it has to be noted that there's also classism at play, classism that is mostly a result of writers' own beliefs – collins did state in a couple of interviews that that the motivation behind jason's background was to make his introduction into vigilantism seem less offensive, as jason has already been exposed to crime...)

i think, in this context, it's interesting to look at the two-face storyline even closer, and from the start too. in the beginning, bruce talks of jason's 'street' roots and assumes jay would go "down the same criminal road that took his father [willis] to an early death." he also talks of jason making a lot of progress. later, in batman #411, after jason learns that willis has been killed by two-face, bruce comments that jay "has never been like this...listless...almost pouting--"

this all, along with jay's cheerful and diligent behaviour from the previous issue builds an interesting picture for us: because we essentially learn that jay has been overall an unproblematic child. bruce, of course, attributes this "progress" to the training. however, for anyone else, the logical conclusion would be that jay's quick adjustment was simply a matter of finding himself in a safe and stable environment and receiving continuous support and attention from a parental figure. i find it rather questionable that jason's personality softened down because he had something to punch in the cave–– the more intuitive explanation is of course that he was angry and quick to fight when they first met because he couldn't afford anything else and because he was scared. but months later, in a loving home, he can allow himself to drop his guard; and his cocky attitude disappears until much later.

so the rather unsettling picture that we derive is that bruce is training jay to become a vigilante in order to "channel" his (nonvisible at this point) anger into something useful and just. and he clearly links this to his own trauma in batman #416 (that’s already starlin btw), in his conversation with dick, explaining why he took jay in: “he’s so full of anger and frustration… he reminds me of myself, just after my parents were killed.” bruce also mentions that soon after their first meeting, jason helped him and "handled himself well" in the fight, but he doesn't mention that jay has ran away from a crime "school" and intended to stop injustice on his own only because he was ignored.

the theme of bruce comparing jay to himself appears again in detective comics #574 (barr), where it is approached with a much more... critical look, thanks to leslie's presence and her skepticism of bruce's actions. after jason has suffered nearly fatal injuries at the hand of the mad hatter, bruce reminisces on his own trauma and motives. he tells leslie: "i didn't choose jason for my work. he was chosen by it...as i was chosen." leslie replies: "stop that! (...) you do this for yourself... you're still that little boy (...)" then, the conversation steers to the familiar ground and the topic of anger. in bruce's words, again: “i wanted to give jason an outlet for his rage…wanted him to expunge his anger and get on with his life…” and finishes "and instead, i may have killed him."

the recognition that bruce's projection on jason and involving him with his work might have fatal consequences is, as always, fast forgotten once jay wakes up and proclaims that he wants to continue his work as robin.

but to circle back, i think there's something else worth our attention, something deeply ironic, that is showcased in that issue: that bruce has no evidence for jay's "rage." when leslie talks of bruce's past, she recalls his tendencies to get into brutal fights at perceived injustice as early as in school; when bruce talks of jason, two pictures that are juxtaposed, are that of jason fighting as robin and jason... smiling, playing baseball.

so, in the early days of jason's training and work in the field, we see bruce talking of jason's anger a lot; but we barely see it.

that being said, jay is angry sometimes– and i think your observation about how bruce deals with it is incredibly interesting and accurate.

we first see jay truly and devastatingly angry in the two-face storyline. bruce focuses on jay's reaction as robin, which is, in fact, aggressive. but something that he barely addresses is that jason's first reaction is sleeping all day, and not beating anyone to a pulp; in fact, this vengeful instinct seems to arise only when he is put right in front of two-face. and his third instinct, once the rage (very quickly) dies down after the altercation with two-face, is crying, because bruce hid the truth about willis' death from him. jay, while crying, asks bruce: "you have taken me out into combat-- but you spare me this?" in response, bruce lectures jason about how grief inspires revenge, which is, again, deeply ironic, given that jay seeking out revenge seemed to be prompted and enabled solely by the role of robin. moreover, his question suggests that at this point he saw grief ("you spare me this") and fighting as two different things.

the final is, as you said, bruce focusing on making it into a lesson on vigilantism, or, in his own words, "tempering revenge into justice." personally, i think in this way bruce directs jason to bring his grief into the field as a powering force, something that he didn't necessarily have an own incentive to do. the flash of compartmentalisation between his ordinary life and being a sidekick that jay has shown by questioning bruce's decision is lost. emotions are now a robin thing, and they have an (informal) protocol, a moral code. and when jay is confronted with an emotionally exhausting case next – the garzonas case, i believe that the focus on "tempering revenge into justice" is exactly the problem– we don't see jay crying, we see him frantic about finding the solution. this, right there, is bruce's obsessiveness, that in my opinion, was developed in jay specifically as a result of how his engagement with vigilantism combines with his deep sensitivity.

and, needless to say, his sensitivity is all the same as that of bruce – they both can't stand looking at other people hurting, they both wear their hearts on their sleeve, caring way too much – the thing is, bruce never quite acknowledges how they are similar in this matter. instead, he focuses on his sparse bursts of anger, wanting to bring jason closure in his grief the only way he knows it – in a fight for a better world. so, as you said, he focuses on jason's ability as robin.

which just doesn't work for jason. at all. we know it from how his robin run comes to an end: in the first issue of a death in the family (batman #426) alfred informs: “i’ve come upon him, several times, looking at that battered old photograph of his mother and father, crying.”  to that, bruce contends: “in other words, i may have started jason as robin before he had a chance to come to grips with his parents deaths.” he also tells jay that the field is not a place for someone who is hurting; a message that is the opposite of what he's been saying for years now, and something that i imagine was difficult for bruce to conceptualise, because then he would have to question his own unhealthy tendencies. it's a bit late to come to this realisation; bruce's self-projection that caused him to worry so much about jay's anger has already turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy that will fully manifest itself in utrh, when jason does the only thing he was taught to do with grief: try to channel it into justice.

#AHHH this took me so long for no reason at all. so sorry anon <3 #anyway. i'm obsessed with your observation regarding bruce's focus on robin in the two-face storyline #i've already briefly considered it but you made me go back and reread it #and i just stared at these panels of jason in bed all day for like good 5 minutes thinking. jesus christ. jesus christ #“you spare me *this*?” <- this line is making me feel SICK TO MY STOMACH. #so maybe bruce is right when he says that he made jason like this in tfz. #and jay is of course even more right when he says that he didn't make him. he raised him #also don't apologise for bringing in gotham knights #i actually talked about it some before because it is a very good illustration of bruce projecting on jay #<- i didn't include it here bc my post was getting insanely long. #anyway back on the topic. i think it's so deeply sad that jay genuinely has no idea #that this is what bruce thinks #i think he would be DEVASTATED if he knew the way bruce fixated on the idea of his anger #hm. normal now. #thank you so much for this ask. you can tell i was delighted to answer it <3 #i actually already had a draft about it when you sent it... but i'm sooo slow with editing my word vomit #outbox #jay.zip #jay.txt #dc #jason todd #core texts