#puritan fans

[mywitchcultblr]

If you are an American artist/fan, change your pixiv account region! Because there's new censorship

Number 5. If your drawing has no 'educational/scientific/artistic value' it won't be allowed to exist. These new censorship are absolute nonsense pushed by credit card company and conservative politicians. Fucking bonkers

It's the same thing when Tumblr banned NSFW and they promised that 'artistic nudity' will still be 'allowed'. I hope every purist on the internet realized that when they whine over anime fan art they are repeating what conservative billionaires and politician are pushing:

The death of art...

#pixiv #art #fan art #censorship #capitalism #this is corporate puritanism #I'm not joking #first it was patreon then gumroad noa this #puritanism #politics #twitter #news #Also the poor and queer can't even express themselves or jack off anymore because rich people and politician said nooooo #anime #uk #usa #japan

[blackcat419]

Pros and Antis in HotD and aSoIaF Fandom: the breakdown around grey storytelling

I think I know why TB people struggle so much for understanding why TG is liked by people and it’s because fandom discourse has been so rotted away by “pro shippers” and “anti shippers” discourse that we’ve entered into a puritanical view of consuming media.

They see the media you consume as a direct reflection of the type of person you are and thus the characters you like must be similar to who you are as a person.

To a certain extent I get it, looking at a broad portfolio of media consumption can reveal a bit about a person. For example, I consume a lot of horror media. You can discern that I like being scared and the adrenaline that comes from it. But that’s only in a safe controlled situation where I can turn off the tv or monitor when it gets too much. I don’t like haunted houses, being alone at night, or even the dark.

Media is a safe place to explore different sides of humanity in a controlled setting where the only thing at risk is our own enjoyment. People can find that they like things in media that they wouldn’t like in real life. But this distinction is lost on a lot of fandom puritans. To them, media consumption is a political act. You reaffirm that you are a “good person” by watching the “good shows” and rooting for the “good guys”. To look upon a morally complex character or even the villain with interest and sympathy is thus to condone and support every action that character will be written to take.

But this idea of assuming moral righteousness from the characters you support in media because even harder to understand and justify when applied to stories like HotD and aSoIaF where every character possesses both good and evil. So how does a puritan fan reaffirm their belief that they are morally good in a series such as these? The fan will assign the idea oh moral correctness and superiority to the characters they like. Any bad, morally questionable, or straight up evil act the character commits will be justified as righteous no matter how the story frames those actions to the audience. The same is applied to characters these fans do not like. Every bad, morally questionable, or evil action is amplified to become the main character trait while any good, just, or morally righteous act is off written as either an evil act in disguise or any good to come out of the act should be attributed to another character. Any harm committed again the character is then down played as not that bad or actually deserved.

In HotD and aSoIaF, this fandom Puritanism mainly affects female characters.

In aSoIaF, we have characters such as Dany and Arya being framed as the morally righteous and just while characters such as Catelyn and Sansa are painted as villains. Weirdly this does not apply to actual villainous female characters likes Cersei. This could be because the books and show are very clear that her actions are evil and cruel, puritan fans do not feel insecure liking her as they feel secure that the story and thus other fans know she is a bad person and won’t assume liking her means viewing her as a good person. Characters such as Margery Tyrell and Arianne Martell are viewed with more complexity than other female characters but I bet once they come into conflict with beloved female characters, they will be viewed as villainous.

In HotD we see the same thing happening. Puritan fans see Rhaenyra as the perfect hero with any negative action being just or not her fault while Alicent is painted as more evil than the step mother from Cinderella who, despite all evidence to the contrary, wanted to be queen and this deserves everything that she gets.

This is why so many people have to explain to puritan fans that liking characters like Sansa, Catelyn, Alicent, Aegon, or Aemond does not make one bastardphobic, a rape apologist, or anti feminist. I also think it explains why these fans can’t except that their favorite characters have done wrong and hurt people. They can’t accept criticism or critique of their favorite character because to them it’s not another person’s reading of a fictional character, it’s someone judging them on their morals.

Puritanical fans interlock their identity and sense of self with the characters they like and struggle to separate criticism of those characters as criticism of themselves as a person.

#house of the dragon #hotd #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #hotd discussion #asoiaf discussion #hotd discourse #asoiaf discourse #Puritanism in fandom #puritanical fans

[arnold-layne]

ah, what an interesting video about hating on [80s rockstar] you have posted here, gen z tiktok user. did the virtue signaling feel good babe? was the harassment of [80s rockstar] fans fun? did the validation you got fill the void in your soul

#i get glimpses of hair metal tiktok through a mutual and im just. #gurl you hate on axl rose but watch pam and tommy #and yknow i would get it if these ppl just disliked hair metal and the like in general. still doesnt excuse the wank but at least #there is no hypocrisy here #but the majority of haters are also fans of different bands and i just. gurl. they all suck #some more some less but you will find incriminating material on 99% of them #you either dont support the entire genre or take off your puritan dress and show everyone you are wearing assless chaps like the rest of us #there is no completely unproblematic pieces of media as well as creators. learn for yourself how much youre willing to excuse #and enjoy your fave music without constantly justifying yourself #where do these people get the energy for hate. give it to me i will put it to good use #hair metal #arnold's diary #80s rock #purity culture

[doodleholic]

Tentacular

Hi, yes, this is a thing my brain demanded happen. No, I'm not taking questions.

#draco malfoy #draco x hermione #dramione fanfic #dramione #digital illustration #it's just everything i can't write in normal published things #because of puritanical RULEs #so I'm having fun with this #tentacular #myart #artists on tumblr #procreate #fan art #draco malfoy fanart #dramione fanfiction

[dragoncarrion]

on those like "white people slang they should use more" lists a few are funny but i just cant get behind "newsflash buddy/fucker/etc" because it reminds me of tumblr users (derogatory)

#shortext #like the #oh yeah cry me a fucking river. newsflash fucker: adults can be attracted to whoever they like and that's something completely devoid of mo #wage war against every fan of ultrakill who doesn't adhere to your ideals?? you little fucking puritan?? grow up #you know.

[94erz]

I need more JK fans to stop treating him like a fucking child. He got signed to Calvin Klein as both a jeans AND underwear ambassador, meaning yeah, there’s a good chance he could model the underwear too. Yet for some reason I’m seeing a lot of his fans hate that idea? Some even going as far as to say it would damage his image? Fuck off. 

He’s already been sexualized to this point, what would it matter now if he modeled in some boxer briefs for a company that’s entirely known for its ad campaigns of people in the brands underwear? If JK didn’t wanna model being that exposed, he wouldn’t have signed with them under the label for jeans and underwear.

He was just on live folding a bunch CK gave him, hell don’t be shocked if that was his way of giving y’all a spoiler for what’s to come. Don’t drool over his abs and talk about how sexual he is and then get angry when it tips a point you now feel is ‘’too much’’. That’s HIS body, that’s HIS choice, either continue to drool over him or shut up.

#Sab talks BTS stuff #why are his fans so weird #JK is the last member who should have puritans at his neck #'damage his image' like get off this mans back ffs #I really though the piercings and the tattoos and the drinking on live would rattle these freaks off him #*thought #he even grew his hair back despite how much his fans said they hated it #like bitches he does not give fuck about what most of you think LOL #frankly it's the side of him I love and respect the most

[jalajalapeno]

Smile!

#“lmao just killed a puritan” #the owl house #my art #fan art

[plushyluke]

maybe i’m an over-analytical freak, but the way 5sos have to constantly sanitize their sex jokes or language makes me fucking shrivel into myself. last night on ashton’s live, he was talking about how he couldn’t “say anything inappropriate” as if he isn’t a 29 year old man. and this is like a silly example, but they say things like this all the time. idk whose fault this is, whether it be the toxic twt fanbase constantly infantalizing them and making them relive their adolescence or if their management genuinely believes they’re more marketable as “family friendly,” but it is so fucking icky. they should be allowed to say and act like themselves on their livestreams. idk. like ??? they’re funny !!!

#maybe i read too much into shit #swan thoughts #it just bugged me #ashtoncore #ashton irwin #are we puritans ppl??? #lmao most of their fans are in their 20s #luke hemmings #5sos #lashton blog #lrh #afi

[blizardstar]

I want to put a media consumption morality purist and a modern transgender Danny Phantom fan in the same room and watch what happens

#babblestar #danny phantom #discourse #but like not danny phantom discourse #I just want to see one of those people who think it was ok to harass the SU storyboarders off the show for ‘forcing’ lapidot #or like #thinks that watching a show where one of the staff or cast is a bad person is morally abhorrent #and also their definition of ‘bad person’ #like I just want to see them try and talk to #someone who in the year of our lord 2024 still has a great appreciation and activity in fandom #for one of the works of Butch Hartman #like I just wanna see what happens #just someone who cannot handle anyone consuming any content #where the creator has not been morally pure from the day they were born until present day #by tumblrs wack ass puritan morality standards #and just make them watch Danny phantom with a lifelong fan

[murky-tannin]

Forever lucky that my favorite blog and a whole bunch of other blogs I enjoy turned out to be fellow Celltw fans. Plus all the blogs I didn't know that well or at all beforehand but now when i see them in my notes or in the qsmp tag I find myself internally perking up at their presence. My brain is like: Hiiii fellow enjoyer :DD nice reblog I happened to notice on someone else's random unrelated post, good to see you alive!

#celltw #murky mumbles #qsmp #And they aren't weird puritan fans either!!

[incubus-puppy]

hazbin hotel sideblog from my horny main account?

#who's to say! #hezey talks #also yeah I'm a huge fan so if you're unfollowing make sure to hit the block button on the way out! #cringe is dead and puritans aren't welcome here

[groovybun-png]

Must. Draw. Spicy. Fanart. *dies*

#miss the old times where artist were WILD as shit #not until puritans taking over the internet 😒 #like i get it if ppl arent a fan of spicy art and that's okay #but there's no need to police artist what should they draw #not gonna repeat myself with the “block and move on” cause some of them are just too stupid to do it

[suffersinfandom]

Sometimes I leave my dash for the wilds of the fandom tag and regret it.

(The hell of it is, I agree with the broader point OP was making -- that is, characters are complicated and stark good-and-evil thinking benefits no one. I just... like, would never bring fascism to fandom discourse.)

#i have not met the fan they are critiquing? #no one i follow thinks ed is perfect/izzy is evil #i guess i've missed all the nuance-free pro-ed takes #i do think that puritanical thinking is an issue #as well as vilification of people based on their blorbo bias #but can we please not throw fascism around

[roguelibrarian]

g-d when am i gonna learn that going into any fandom tag on this site for any reason is the biggest mistake i can ever make?

#anyway i just saw someone refer to not liking an*kin sk*walker as ''puritanical'' #people are allowed to not like your favorite character. grow up. #this is literally why i hate an*kin so much #it has fuck all to do with the character himself it is entirely about his fans #i mean yes it does also have to do with an*kin himself but like #but i was very much like ''oh i don't like him as a person but i like him as the Proto Darth Vader Character'' #but his fans an their nonsense is what makes me roll my eyes every time he appears on screen #rogue rambles #fandom kvetching

[not-poignant]

Hi Pia

Do you have any advice on how to deal with antis or fandom backlash?

I want to write about a pairing within my fandom but one of the characters is canonically very 'innocent', ie they're described as having a childlike personality/nature even tho they aren't actually a child. But other creators have been cancelled by the fandom for putting this character into sexual situations and I'm worried this will happen to me also if I write this story.

Any advice?

Hi anon!

So, some advice I can give:

Get really friendly with the block and mute buttons, wherever you are putting your fic. AO3 now has a block function, and also, you can delete any comment that doesn't feel right.

If you're super worried, lock the fic on AO3 so that only registered members can comment. It's almost the anons on AO3 who dogpile (same as anywhere) and it's harder to register multiple sock puppet accounts there. This will mean less views, but you can always unlock it down the track.

Mentally prepare in advance for what you will do to protect yourself if you do attract some antis / backlash. For example you might decide to release the fic as is and then decide to lock it down if you get negative attention. Don't leave any negative comments up on AO3 if you can help it, and don't indulge antis. 9 times out of 10 it's not even close to as bad as what you feared, and often it's not bad at all.

But when it gets bad, it's good to know that you're already prepared. If you need to, write down a list of emergency steps you'll take to deal with trolls (antis) and bullies (antis) and put it with the rest of your story so it's easy to find. This can include blocking, muting, reporting (remember - anything that threatens you as a person can be reported directly to AO3 and that person if they have a registered account generally experiences consequences for that, same on Tumblr), deleting comments without replying to them - deleting is a really underused resource on AO3 as far as I'm concerned, connect with the people who know who you are and love you for who you are, antis are good at attacking the person and not the fic, so at times like that, it's good to remember that there are people out there who like you as a person, and know you're not a terrible person because of some fiction you're writing.

It's worth keeping in mind that there will be people in your fandom who want fic of this character, even if they're quieter because they're scared of antis as well (I've noticed that people are less likely to comment or associate their usernames with certain fics in fandoms if antis are very active in that fandom, which is infuriating). But you are 100% not alone in wanting this content and feeling like reading this content, and you being brave enough to put it out there might also encourage other writers to be brave enough to put theirs out there as well!

I remember something kind of similar happened re: the Dragon Age fandom (though not quite as bad, because the proto-Fascist antis hadn't really come into their stride quite yet, but oof they were getting there), and a lot of folks dealt with it by just like, 'ignoring the children' and putting the content out there. Not all antis are children or teens, but a lot are. Not all antis are under-educated Americans who don't understand nuance (due to the aggressive and systematic de-education of US youths for like two decades now that you have to put actual effort in to overcome - it should be a crime imho), but a lot are. Not all antis are into filthy stuff themselves that they can't actually justify and that they feel secretly extremely ashamed of, but a lot are. And no antis have really solid science behind a single thing they're saying, which renders a lot of what they say as meaningless bleating noise informed by evangelist and right-wing and TERF rhetoric, even if they themselves are queer.

Treat them as you would treat a pornbot on Tumblr - just get rid of it. Most of what they have to say is utter nonsense, and the white noise doesn't deserve to be honoured, because it's toxic.

#asks and answers #antis and fan police #purity wank #anti anti #moral puritanism #moral panics of fandom #literally everything an anti says can be traced back to christian science #rooted in misogyny #TERF and SWERF #and alt-right rhetoric #they like to pretend it doesn't #but they literally stand with these people when they talk about these subjects #so while i understand fearing what might happen anon #it's more like if you find mould on your fic #you clean the fic up #but you don't give the mould much of your emotional time #because it's fucking mould

[stealthylikeninja]

I don’t know how I’ve got onto anti-billy posts (I mean I do know, because they constantly occupy his fucking tag and obsess over everyone who likes him) but they are absolutely fucking vile. I feel like I should clean my eyes with a bleach for the amount of bullying and hateful behaviour they display. With the way they act you would think that Billy is comparable to fucking H*tler, not to mention the jabs at how other fans are ‘clearly’ racists and abusive because they like his character. Or how they lack media literacy? Is it me, or does that make no fucking sense? As far as I’m aware liking Hannibal doesn’t make you a human flesh connoisseur, liking Joker doesn’t make you a fucking crazy murderer clown, and liking Loki doesn’t make you a semi-genocidal demi-god. It’s fucking fiction, it doesn’t exist, liking someone doesn’t translate to being like that fucking person (it really should be a general motto of this fandom, because people forget or don’t understand that simple stupid fact).

Both of these examples just scream lack of media literacy, if not to go as far as to say lack of critical thinking skills. “Main character you are supposed to like” - so basically we are taking everything surface level, no deeper thoughts, no nothing? Just blindly guided by who you are supposed to like and who you are not supposed to like because show told you to do that?(even though it didn’t actually tell you shit, but go off) Are you able to form a single opinion that comes from your own thought process or do you just do everything someone else tells you to do?

Not to mention, fireworks and applause for a teenage, abused character to die a gruesome death after being literally mentally tortured and controlled by an inter-dimensional monster. You should get a Nobel Peace Price for your clear ability to empathise with anyone (I know, I know, you were not told to do that, it’s hard to form your own critical opinions). Just go around bullying an extremely fucking safe part of the fandom that does nothing wrong to anyone, and just posts their silly little stories and concept arts and protects other characters that are being bullied by this kind of toxic ST fans. What a puritan fucking moral warrior behaviour, absolutely vile.

#trigger warning: antis #billy hargrove #fuck off from this tag if you dont like billy #its that simple #ITS REALLY THAT FUCKING SIMPLE #stop going around throwing the word racism at people that gave no proof of being one #not to mention how many times you direct it to poc billy fans #media literacy who? #critical thinking who? #abolity to think for yourself and analyse the media beyond the surface level who? #puritan bullshit #get off your moral high horse darling you are fucking bully #and you are toxic to this whole fucking fandom making it a big pile of shit #i said it once and i will say it again #billy antis suck #harringrove #tell me you are jason stan/apologist without telling me you are #that actually looks very similar to jasons behaviour in the show #its a fucking witch hunt based on fuck all