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losergendered · 10 months

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ID: a set of 60 images in 30 pairs. each has one image of the listed character from futurama with a white outline in front of their corresponding flags, and a second image which is a blank flag splice. END ID

Philip J. Fry from Futurama is a bipan nonbinary man with autism, ADHD, and PTSD that uses he/they!

His girlfriend is Leela, a transgender, intersex, aceflux woman that uses she/her and xe/xem! She has autism, ADHD, anxiety and PTSD!

Philip's nephew, Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth, is a bisexual man with synthesia who is neurodivergent! Philip is his 30-times great uncle!

Philip's best friend is Bender, a bisexual robot with autism, NPD, HPD, and depression that is okay with being addressed with he/him!

Amy Wong is a straight demigirl who is autistic, has an eating disorder, and is hypersexual! She goes by zi/her!

Her boyfriend is Kif, a genderfae, paraboy, aliengender, asexual, bi straight, ply straight alien with anxiety, PTSD, and autism! Kif goes by any neutral-based masculine pronouns!

Hermes Conrad is an omni straight, omniflux man with OCD and anxiety!

He is married to LaBarbara, an intersex, nonbinary woman who is a straight sex-favorable asexual! She is also polyamorous!

Their son is Dwight Conrad, who is a trans boy that is gay and questioning his romantic orientation!

He is best friends with Hubert's son, Cubert, who is a pansexual boy!

Hubert is close friends with John F. Zoidberg, an abrosexual, omnipan, straight, AMAB, transmasc decapodian that is autistic and has OCD, depression and ADHD!

Calculon is a heteroflexible, quoiflux, bifluid manbot that is neurodivergent!

Linda van Schoonhoven is a butch-femme, trans lesboy that uses she/xi/he, is autistic and has depression!

Xi is friends with Morbo, an aroace, bi turian, aplatonic alien with bipolar disorder!

Randy Munchnik is a femme, trans gay man with autism!

Hubert's rival, Professor Ogden Wernstrom, is a polysexual man with synthesia!

Hurbert ex-lover, Carol Miller, who also goes by "Mom," is a frayromantic, asexual woman with NPD and bipolar disorder!

Her eldest son, Walt, is trans and gay!

Walt's young brother, Larry, is agender and uranic!

Their younger maternal half-brother, Igner, is xenogender and marsic!

All three brothers are autistic!

Leela's parents, Turanga Morris and Munda, are both intersex, genderless, T4T mutants!

Yivo is an agender, genderless, abrosexual, polyamorous being! Shklee's sexuality is fluid between omnipan, omnisexual, pansexual, omniflux, panflux, pan gaybian, omni gaybian, mesque, and violenatian! Yivo's pronouns are shklee/shkler!

Roberto is a demiboy, masculine, demisexual, trans manbot who is gay and uses he/it! Roberto has psychosis, is schizospec, has PTSD, is autistic and has ADHD!

The Donbot is a mafiacoric, libramasculine straight manbot! The

Donbot's wife, Fanny, is a sex-ambivalent, high femme, asexual heteroromantic fembot!

Their daughter, Bella, is a nonbinary, femme, dyke, straightbian, lesboy who uses feminine and neutral pronouns!

Joey Mousepad is a demisexual, genderqueer, fag, gay manbot who is dyslexic, has ADHD and uses he/xe/they!

His colleague/friend is Francis X. "Clamps" Clampazzo, who is nonbinary, an azurenby, butch, masculine, toric, and gay! He is auDHD, dyslexic, bipolar, has PTSD, and uses they/he/xe/she pronouns!

The Robot Devil is a transmascfem, trans/FTM, transsexual, GNC, genderfluid, aroacespec, frayromantic, greyromantic, nebaeromantic, demisexual, demiT4T, ambiamorous, femme, masculine, turigirl, gay man! He is pronounfluid depending on what his gender is and goes by the name "Bee" which is short for Beelzebot! He uses he/him for when masc presenting, she/her for fem presenting, they/them for neutral presenting, no pronouns for no gender presenting, they/he for masc/neu presenting, they/she for fem/neu presenting, he/she for masc/fem presenting, and all pronouns for masc/fem/neu/non-gender presentation! He has autism, BPD, anxiety, PTSD and hypersexuality!

For @transsexual-jackskellington !

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a-faggot-with-opinions · 10 months

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Unlike with most of my other posts, there isn't really a point or an argument to be made with this post. I kind of just wanted to talk about a lot of things and there's no better way to do it than to just make a post on the "talk about a lot of things" website. If you want to hear my thoughts about GNC, gay, disabled, and ND transmasc visibility at a very young age in the society we live in, you should probably read this post.

So you always hear stories about straight/male attracted transfems being visibly transfem or fem at a young age (like around 3-5 years old), and GNC cis gay men being fem from very young too, and maybe less so masc lesbians and female attracted trans men being visibly GNC around 3-5 years old, but I wanted to talk about how trans gay men may present when they are young before they can understand what being trans actually is. There are also definitely conversations to be had about trans lesbians too, but as I'm neither transfem nor a lesbian, I don't feel qualified to speak on their behalf. If you're a trans lesbian, feel free to reply to this post or make your own post about your experiences.

My experience having been a young transmasc gay person who didn't know he was transmasc or gay is pretty unique in that it's rarely talked about in media, but I have spoken to other transmasc achilleans about it and it seems to be decently common, but not universal, among us.

I was a moderately-visible neurodivergent and disabled (at the time not physically disabled) girl living in a non-USAmerican country. For the first five years of my life I would refuse to wear anything except skirts and dresses because they were neat and I liked them. However, around the age of five I stopped wearing skirts and would refuse to wear them at all for years until I discovered that I wasn't cis. No one knew at the time why I stopped wearing them. In my very early years of school I would have been considered a "tomboy" but as I got older the label started feeling weirder because I was not a lesbian. I had very stereotypical male interests (math, science, computer programming, etc) and presented as masculine but I was not attracted to women.

For many years after I moved to USAmerica I identified as bi despite not being attracted to women. I sort of tricked myself into thinking that I was in order to validate my gender weirdness. At the time I was very socially isolated, too—I would get bullied often for being too masc but also too fem to be a "real man," for being neurodivergent, and for appearing too gay. It's almost like my bullies knew that I was trans and gay before I did. Something about my mannerisms showed them I was trans even though at the time I had long hair and would dress fem (still, no skirts).

Because society shoved it down my young, egg throat that gender = presentation and that trans people must be gender conforming, I ended up convincing myself again that I was just a fem cis woman. I think what really made me feel comfortable with myself again was discovering FOB and developing it as a special interest very soon after that. My only sense of gender then was sexuality, and I knew I was really into men, so I convinced myself again that my femininity made me female because that's what men are attracted to.

Fast forward to when young, egg me started reading fanfiction. I would read everything but I started with x reader fic. Though I enjoyed the fics I always had felt like something was wrong. Fast forward to when I discovered gay, M/M fic. Something about it felt so right, especially fic where I could imagine myself being a feminine guy with a more masculine guy. I think that is when I realized that gender doesn't have to equal presentation.

What I realize now looking back is that egg me was extremely uncomfortable with a "biologically female" body. I should be allowed to be fem and attracted to men while in a male body, and I should be able to do that even if it's not a body I was born with. And this realization made all of my past struggles with gender make sense.

As I said at the beginning, there isn't really a point to this post, but if you found it interesting or relatable, feel free to add anything you'd like! I love my trans siblings :3

#star speaks #transandrophobia #<- not really but tagging for exposure #gay #trans #transgender #nonbinary #trans mlm #ftm #actually autistic #neurodivergent

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mangoposts · 4 months

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I’m so sick of the lack of queer representation within the sturniolo triplet fanbase. There’s been multiple occasions where I’ve seen people be straight up homophobic and disrespectful towards gay men within this space. I myself am a cisgender gay man and the amount of times I’ve felt genuinely uncomfortable by comments made towards Nick or towards gay men wanting to interact with Chris and Matt the same way women do. Girl.. if I hear another straight woman or minor tell me what u should or shouldn’t be doing on this app, I’m going to lose my mind. It is not disrespectful to fantasise about Nick if you’re a woman and be open about that. It is not disrespectful to think that way about Matt or Chris that way as a gay man either. All three of them are attractive people.

Nick x Fem and Matt/Chris x Masc aren’t really a problem to me. At all. Do you know how much fanfiction is out there that entails that kind of thing in other bases? Loads. It’s called fan FICTION for a reason. Bitch write about what you wanna write idk but if you be writing about incest or rape or murder then like fair enough - that’s where I have an issue.

Idk I think people on this app take shit way too seriously. They try and police other people’s interests and overall just who they are. It’s only the pretty straight/bi girls who are respected fully in this fan base and I’m sooooo over it.

Like y’all sending in messages saying the whole Matt x Masc thing was disrespectful. Girl no it wasn’t?? You wanna know what’s disrespectful? Talking about these grown ass men like they’re objects.

I’m gonna be a fag and proud, I’m gonna post my gay little fanfics about Matt and Chris and I’m not gonna give a fuck.

Girl I’m sorry I got so angry but like as a gay man I’m always being pushed out of spaces or being told what I can and can’t do by straight people and it’s driving me round the bend. To many of y’all are afraid to speak up about this shit. Do what u want. It ain’t that serious.

Do whatever you want 🤷🏻‍♀️ It’s your account. You don’t have to listen to anybody telling you what you can and can’t do

#🥭

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ratbastarddotfuck · 3 years

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Okay this one is not gonna be a popular take on tumblr but.

Identity policing is pointless and dangerous and honestly only really works in online spaces. I say this and you might think "yeah identity policing sucks" but I need you to think a bit deeper.

When you get into a real life queer community (and I DO mean queer specifically, radical inclusionist queers) people don't give a shit. You hear this kind of thing a lot on tumblr but I think it is important to specify, because a lot of more general "lgbt+" groups HAVE been poisoned by the online discourse.

I've been a part of a proper queer community for a couple of years now and here is the thing.

Many more people than you think have a constantly shifting sense of identity, or experience multiple, supposedly conflicting identities at once, and they are allowed to express those identities in a way that makes them comfortable.

My partner is a nonbinary trans woman. They date people of many different genders, and generally consider themself to be bi. But sometimes they refer to themself as a lesbian, because they feel like or want to be a lesbian on that day. They are still dating and love me/their other non-woman partners on these days, it's just an identity they resonate with at that time. This is what I mean when I say constantly shifting identity.

I am a gay, bisexual, asexual, genderfluid nonbinary transmasc. I experience so many different identities at once - my gender and my sexuality are informed by each other constantly. I always feel more masc when I am attracted to a masc person, and I always feel less masc (but rarely more fem) when I am attracted to more fem people. Any time I feel attraction I usually consider it gay attraction, even if I feel attraction to multiple differently gendered people at once - I'm bisexual from a technical standpoint, but I'm almost always just gay (but sometimes I truly am just a raging bisexual). I am genderfluid but I am also always nonbinary. My gender goes between multiple, often unidentifiable nonbinary genders, but rarely if ever a binary one.

When I talk to cis people, or less-radical trans people, I generally just say I'm a bi nonbinary person. Nobody needs to know all of that except the people I want to tell it to. BUT those are all facets of my identity that I do experience and I am allowed to express those. Just the other day I tagged a post about how much I love my partner (wife, I said in that post) with "lesbian" - the reason being they were having a lesbian day and I was very much in love with them and feeling pretty much a "gay almost-woman" myself.

(And this, by the way, is why the word queer is so useful and important and you can pry it from my cold dead hands :)

Another thing to think about is how we treat genderfluid people and their attraction in general. There are often posts with a "mlm/nblm" or "wlw/nblw" tag at the end - do these include genderfluid people? Am I allowed to reblog a mlm post when I'm having a man-adjacent day, even if I don't always feel like a mlm? Am I allowed to reblog a wlw post on a woman-adjacent day? My identity can fluctuate minute to minute, am I going to get a callout post from someone who doesn't understand the intricacies of my identity if I reblog a mlm post and a wlw post in quick succession?

And this is bringing me to the next part of this discussion, and the reason it is important to think about: the culture on tumblr (and, i believe, twitter) of calling people out for having what YOU perceive to be conflicting identities, saying that they're "appropriating x identity" or using it for clout or to escape the repercussions of an offhand comment they made that you didn't like (and I can name at least one popular tumblr user who did and still sometimes does experience targeted callouts and harassment for being a "lesbophobe" because they identify as a lesbian in a way the tumblr culture at large doesn't like, but I digress).

You do not and can not know the intricacies of someone's identity unless they tell you. If you read the earlier parts of this post and agreed or understood that people can have multiple "conflicting" identities, then I do not want to see you sharing callout posts for people who ID in a nonconventional way. You don't know, and overall it really does not fucking matter. The oft-repeated line of "how does it impact you if someone is gay/trans/etc", spoken to homophobes and transphobes frequently, is applicable here: how does it impact you if someone identifies in a supposedly nonconventional or conflicting way? It does not. And in real life queer communities, people do not give a shit, because we have bigger problems to deal with OUTSIDE the community, we don't have time for infighting. We have more in common than we have apart.

#queer #trans #people often like to complain about micro identities but why do you think they exist #its because people get harrassed for using the known labels in a way people dont like #so its easier and safer to use a newer more specific label #christ i feel like im giving a class on being a decent person #the system speaks #🦊🦇

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friendlyneighbourhoodpapergay · 3 years

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hello, without saying bi ppl are attracted to parts and pan people are attracted to people regardless of gender (that feels so biphobic to me ngl) can you please explain the difference between bi and pan? if bi is 2+ doesn't that include all? (which is what pan people say they are attracted to)

I've yet to see a single distinction that doesn't make it seem like bi people are only interested in s*x and not the personality

Hey there! Thanks for asking, I'm happy to answer questions like this and it's important that people ask so that they can learn!

I'll point you in the direction of this post for a summary definition of the two: https://moist-astronaut.tumblr.com/post/178797634275/pansexual-and-bisexual-can-be-easily-confused-but

(@moist-astronaut for credit)

A more detailed explanation:

Bisexuality and Pansexuality are both inclusive of trans and nonbinary people. Generally speaking, "bisexual" is used to mean "attraction to more than one gender". This could be men and women (this is inclusive of trans and cis men and women) or it could be men, women and nonbinary people, it could mean women and fem-aligned NBs, or men and masc-aligned NBs, it could mean "anyone non-male" or "anyone non-female", it could mean all genders! There are a wide variety of ways to be bisexual.

Bisexuality is not transphobic, though exclusionists have tried to paint it as such in the past; some from the pansexual side who claimed bisexuality wasn't inclusive, some from the bi side who were transphobic and didn't want to admit that their sexuality is inclusive.

Bisexuality does not mean genitalia, only that for most bisexuals, gender (NOT SEX) is still a factor in their attraction- perhaps the attraction is there for all genders, but feels different when it is directed towards fem-aligned Vs masc-aligned Vs androgynous people.

Pansexuality generally means "attraction regardless of gender", as you said. I am pansexual, gender is not a factor in my attraction level to someone. My attraction does not feel any different depending on the gender of the person it is directed towards. Pan automatically means "all genders", whether male, female, NB, genderfluid, or anything outside of the Western binary system of "man" and "woman". Bi people can still be equally attracted to all genders, the attraction may just work a little differently for them.

Pansexuality is not transphobic, though exclusionists have tried to paint it as such in the past; some from the bisexual side who claimed that pansexuals were "otherizing" trans people by saying pan meant "cis and trans people" and some from the pansexual side who were transphobic and didn't want to admit that trans men are men and trans women are women.

There is some overlap between the two communities- think of it like a Venn Diagram! But the distinction is still important to many, myself and my mspec friends included.

Over time, the two communities have moved past our differences. Some people remain ignorant (keep an eye out for "Battleaxe Bi"-this term means a bisexual who is panphobic, and for people who claim that bisexuals are only interested in genitalia, which is biphobic), but overall the communities are supportive of each other, as we should be!! And it's worth noting that "bi-pan discourse" doesn't really exist outside of Tumblr, and certainly not outside of the internet.

IN THIS HOUSE WE LOVE AND SUPPORT BI-PAN SOLIDARITY!!

#bi pan solidarity #bi vs pan #pan bi solidarity #pansexual #pansexuality #pan #pan pride #pan positivity #pansexual pride #pansexual positivity #bisexual #bisexuality #bisexual positivity #bisexual pride #bi pride #bi positivity #mspec solidarity #mspec pride

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communistsans · 4 years

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Bi/pan lesbian is not a term you should use.

Let me be clear, I think the experience you're describing is real, but the term is offensive to bi, pan, and lesbian people. Bi, pan, and lesbian are separate sexualities. They cannot be put together because they are directly contradictory. And before you say "what about x sexuality and ace," that is different, because the terms bi, straight, pan, lesbian, and gay all define the romantic and sexual parts of attraction. Ace only describes a lack of sexual attraction, leaving the question of who they are romantically attracted to. So if someone says they are ace and bi, it works because from that you know that they are attracted to women/men, but only romantically. You wouldn't say, "I'm aromantic, asexual, and bi," because all those things overlap. You can't be attracted to no one romantically or sexually AND be attracted to men/women. Lesbian describes a sexuality that means women/fem aligned people who are EXCLUSIVELY attracted (romantically and/or sexually) to women/fem aligned people. Bisexual describes a sexuality that means someone attracted (romantically and/or sexually) to 2 or more genders. Pansexual describes a sexuality that means someone attracted to others (romantically and/or sexually) regardless of their sex/gender.

So that's why the term is nonsensical, but why is it offensive to lesbians and bisexuals/pansexuals? I'm bi woman, so take my lesbian commetary with a grain of salt.

I believe every sexuality has a bit of wiggle room, and also that that doesn't mean that a person can't use the term gay/lesbian. I don't think a straight man being attracted to one guy makes him gay/bi, I don't think being a lesbian and being attracted to one guy makes her bi/straight. I'm bisexual and people often ask me if they are bi because they are attracted to x obviously attracitve celebrity, and the answer is usually no. It takes more than being attracted to a couple of people of the opposite sex to be bi/pansexual. What makes you bi/pan is being able to be genuinely attracted to, date, fall in love with, and be intimate with people of the same and different sexes/genders. I think straight and gay people alike can have genuine attractions that do not align with their sexuality and still be that sexuality. However the key here is that those are exceptions. When 99% of your experiences are exclusive to one gender then yes, you are gay/lesbian. I don't think that genuinely liking your high school boyfriend because he was a sweet guy and you hadn't figured yourself out yet makes you not a lesbian. And I think to say that it does is also lesbophobic. Just to get the whole "sexuality is fluid" out of the way.

Relationships between women are so often devalued, and lesbians often suffer from people erasing their sexualities, or people assuming that somehow they must be attracted to men in some way. This is a fucked up and lesbophobic way of thinking, and it's stupid that they have to deal with that. Lesbians shouldn't be made to feel ashamed of personal experiences for fear of having their sexuality questioned/invalidated. Politically speaking, it is critical for lesbians to ensure the term lesbian means a sexuality of women exclusively being attracted to women, please do not interfere with this term. It is important to their communities that it stays that way. However I know what is politically convenient isn't always what is personally true. On a personal note, I think the distinction should be this: if you HAVE BEEN attracted to a couple of men in your life but could never see yourself being with a man and being happy, and can easily say that 95% or more of your attraction has been exclusively to women, you are a lesbian. If you ARE attracted to men and could see yourself being happy in a relationship with a man, you are bisexual or pansexual. As a bisexual person, I don't experience or see my attraction to either men or women as exceptions, they are both natural and part of my sexuality. I also want to note that it is unfair and lesbophobic to assume that because someone has liked one guy in their life it somehow discredits the rest of their experiences, especially when we dont hold gay men to the same standard. In fact, its usually the opposite! If a straight man has one experience with another guy everyone assumes he must be gay/bi, even though he has only ever been attracted to women. Ultimately, if someone says they are a lesbian, they like women and just women. End of story. Yes there could be different personal anecdotes, but lesbians are attracted to women alone. To say otherwise is lesbophobic. If you are attracted to men, you aren't a lesbian.

Implying that lesbians are attracted to men is lesbophobic, so why is the term "bi lesbian" also biphobic? Well because in addition to erasing the meaning of lesbian, it also erases the meaning of bi. Bisexuals are often believed to secretly be straight or gay. We are not gay or straight, we're bi. I get the term is trying to say that you have a strong preference for women; many bisexuals have a preference, however you are still bi. If this "preference" is that strong to the point where you basically are near exclusively attracted to women, then you are probably a lesbian. You are either a bi person with a preference for women, or you are a lesbian. You cannot be both bi and a lesbian. Substitute bi for pan here and the commentary is the same.

I've also seen people who say they call themselves bi/pan lesbians because they are attracted to women and also to nonbinary people. And okay, I see where you're coming from here, but that doesnt mean the term isn't offensive. Gender non-conforming and nonbinary lesbians are a thing and I'm not about to police nb lesbians; they have always existed and been important parts of the lesbian community. But if the only nb people you find yourself being attracted to are nb lesbians and other fem aligned people, you're still a lesbian. If you aren't comfortable with that because it erases some peoples identity, then use bi/pan, because those are the terms to describe attraction to 2 or more genders. Or use queer! I knew a couple in college who were a lesbian couple until one of them came out as trans masc. To not invalidate them, their partner said they were queer instead of lesbian.

Another person I have seen using this term is women who are basically bi/pan or even straight who for whatever reason have stopped dating men permanently, despite being attracted to them, and this actually has some historical precedent. During 2nd wave feminism these women called themselves "political lesbians," giving up dating men in order to free themselves from misogyny. If this is your experience, do what you want, but again, the term bi/pan lesbian is harmful to lesbians and bi/pansexuals and please call yourself something else. I think it's fine to call yourself a lesbian or gay for convenience sake if you really do never plan on dating men again. Please just understand that the lesbian/bi/pan communities need to have the integrity of these terms for political reasons. Lesbian is not an umbrella term the way gay or queer is. On a personal level, yes there is wiggle room, but on political level these terms need to have definitions.

Ultimately if you identify as a bi/pan lesbian, please stop using that term. It's problematic for lesbian, bi, and pan communities and frankly makes no sense. If you want a fluid term, you can always just say "queer" or "queer with a preference for women." Normally I don't care about what people identify as and I against gatekeeping, because in the end it doesn't hurt anyone. But this isn't about gatekeeping. The term bi lesbian is harmful, which is why I'm asking anyone defending that term to please reconsider. If you identify with this term, I'm not sending hate your way and I'm not trying to invalidate you. I'm just saying this term is harmful and there are plenty of other non problematic ways to describe your sexuality, like wlw, nblw, sapphic, or queer.

If I got something wrong here please tell me! I just think there is a lot of really hateful debate going on here and it's extremely unnecessary. But my final stance is that the term bi lesbian/pan lesbian is offensive, biphobic, and especially lesbophobic, and we should do better by the lesbian community, who are constantly being erased.

#bi lesbian #pan lesbian #lgbtq discourse #discourse

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andersfels · 5 years

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hey no offense, but not all of the LGBTQ historical usage of terms has remained the same. words have changed and definitions have changed. what once used to cover some people no longer does, because we have evolved meanings.

this is why bi women no longer are called "lesbians" when they are with women. this is why "pansexual" no longer means "open to any kind of sexual experience." its why transgender people are no longer called "transsexuals."

this is why claiming "x term used to mean x thing in history!" doesn't mean much when people are pointing out it doesn't mean the same thing today.

I don't say this to support any kind of exclusionism, because I say it primarily with "butch/femme," in mind, and I think any kind of wlw can use those terms....if they are used properly.

and that's the thing, the crucial part most people forget to acknowledge in this discourse.

forget history, forget "rights" to a term; its not about that at all. its about the fact that those terms TODAY have a specific meaning, because that meaning is very important.

that meaning is specifically about the gender/presentation relationship a woman/fem aligned person has in the context of loving other women/fem aligned people.

this very easily includes bi/pan women. HOWEVER, I think it just as blatantly excludes women with a male partner, or who are not using these terms to define their sapphic identity.

because the important distinctions we have to these terms vs other terms for different gender/presentation is that they are not merely a label, not a merely a description of presentation or gender, but SPECIFICALLY an identity about presentation or gender that relates to attraction to women/fem aligned people.

"butch" is about embracing a masculinity in the context of being a woman who loves women; and that's why a masc woman who is not pursuing or with a woman/fem aligned person couldn't effectively use or identify with this term. all she could do is misunderstand the term to be simply "masculine woman" and use it like a label. but that's not what it is.

butch/femme are not just labels that describe how you dress or present. they're about how women/fem aligned people function and identify within a wlw life.

being butch is about embracing strength and socially masc coded things similar to how men do, but not AS a man, because butches are still women/fem aligned people. being butch is about being masculine within a relationship with a woman while keeping the relationship purely wlw, no men involved. its also about playing that line between being a woman and nonbinary/trans, with specific relation to the gender confusion that is exclusive to wlw, in how attraction to women colors the perception of gender and makes it unclear to some lesbians whether they love women as trans people, or as masculine women, or somewhere between. (which is why some see "butch" as a gender in and of itself.)

being femme is about reclaiming femininity from a world that expects it to be performed for men, and presenting as feminine for other women/fem aligned people. being femme is about the ability to present in a way seen as conforming to societal expectations of women, while also living their lives utterly outside of that expectation because its with another woman/fem aligned person, and not a man.

either of these identities are MEANINGLESS outside of a context of loving women/fem aligned people, because femininity is expected in non wlw contexts by society, and gender nonconformity or being nonbinary/trans exists outside of being wlw, and we do not lack the terminology to describe these experiences.

"femme" and "butch" are necessary terms we have purposed to fill a hole in language for these wlw experiences, and there is no need whatsoever for non wlw folks to use them.

if you find any kind of draw or identification with these terms outside of a sapphic context, then you don't actually understand what the terms mean at all.

and you can't strip the modern day purpose we have of these terms just because once a long time ago, when we had less terminology and different definitions of existing terms, it meant something else.

we evolve out of NECCESSITY, not just "exclusion." some people NEED these terms to describe their experiences, and some people just WANT them because they either misunderstand what they mean, or think they just sound nicer than other available terms.

historical usage does not determine the eternal "rights" to certain language. yes, everyone has a right to claim the history their community may have had with a term; but that says nothing about their ability to use those words in modern contexts.

that's why trans men can often look to lesbian history to find their community ancestors, but they no longer have a claim to the lesbian identity. because we gained more terminology and a better understanding of how terms should be defined to give a clearer explanation of certain experiences.

its kind of messed up that people are more concerned about "historical usage" and "rights" to identities, rather than the functionality of those terms and who the usage benefits and harms.

people who want to use butch/femme in non sapphic contexts hurt wlw who need those words for their experiences; but people who use those terms in non sapphic contexts are not fucking hurt by being "excluded" from using words that don't even define their experiences. people who identify similarly but in non sapphic contexts still have other language at their disposal.

that's the real line. that's where discourse should be at. its not fucking about "rights" and "ownership" or even history of terms. its about modern definitions, the applicability of those definitions, and how helpful/harmful they are in use. people who care about anything else are nothing but entitled assholes who care more about posession of a word than how it is needed and what it means.

butch and femme are exclusively sapphic, and they define experiences that are only about being wlw; and I don't think that excludes bi/pan sapphics, but I don't think it inherently means all bi/pan women/fem aligned people can freely use those terms, and if they are bi/pan without being sapphic those identities are explicitly off limits. those terms have definitions, and you have to have the experience they define to claim them as identities.

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Ok, so Im agender. Until recently I have ID'd as a NB lesbian, however Im currently uncomfy with that as it feels like Ive been forcing myself into binary structures bc of internalized transphobia. Im also going through some confusion on if I am actually unattracted to men (+masc-aligned nb ppl) or if im repulsed by them due to trauma but still attracted to them in a sense that once I get past my trauma Id be able to date and be with them. Im definitely attracted to women, fem-aligned ppl, (1/2)

(2/2) Im definitely attracted to women, fem-aligned nb ppl, and non-aligned nonbinary ppl. Im not comfortable calling myself bi, bc Im not even sure if i want straight men to think Im available to them or not, and Im not comfortable calling myself a lesbian, bc Ive been forcing myself to stick to binary structures, and the term sapphic implies Im a woman (like lesbian does) and i dont know enough to know if there's any words to describe me or what.

Trixic is the “nonbinary equivalent to sapphic”, so to say: it’s for nonbinary people who are attracted to girls, regardless of what other genders they may or may not be attracted to.

Neptunic is a nonbinary exclusive term which combines noma and nomin: it’s for nonbinary people who are attracted to everyone who is not a man, male aligned or masculine.

Those are the new terms that people are currently spreading and using, but there are older terms as well:

Noma- or noman- (as in nomasexual or nomanalterous) is for people who are attracted to every gender but male;

Nomin- is for people who are attracted to everyone who doesn’t identify as masculine.

There is also venusic, which was meant to be “a nonbinary person who is attracted to women and lunarian(/female-aligned) people”, but sometimes I’ve seen that term being also used to mean the same thing as trixic, especially since the coinage of feminamoric to mean “a nonbinary person attracted exclusively to women”. I think that it’s possible that in the future venusic gets estabilished to be something that covers more than feminamoric but less than neptunic, though.

Oh, and a lot of people use ply (polysexual, polyromantic, and so on) to mean “attraction to many genders but I’m not attracted to X”, so maybe you’ll have better luck avoiding people thinking you are available to men with that. But I’m not sure, since most people will just think binary genders will always be included in pluralian/multi attractions.

~ Tath

#trixic #neptunic #noma #nomin #venusic #ply #Tath #Anonymous

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Philip J. Fry from Futurama is a bipan, nonbinary man with autism and ADHD along with PTSD that uses he/they.

His girlfriend is Leela, a transgender, intersex, aceflux woman that uses she/her and xe/xem. She has autism, ADHD, anxiety and PTSD.

Philip's nephew, Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth, is a bisexual man with synthesia and is neurodivergent. Philip is his 30-times great uncle.

Philip's best friend is Bender, a bisexual robot with autism, NPD, HPD, and depression that is okay being addressed he/him.

Amy Wong is a straight demigirl who is autistic, has an eating disorder, and is hypersexual. She goes by zi/her.

Her boyfriend is Kif, a genderfae, paraboy, aliengender, asexual, bi straight, ply straight alien with anxiety, PTSD, and autism. Kif goes by any neutral-based masculine pronouns.

Hermes Conrad is an omni straight, omniflux man with OCD and anxiety.

He is married to LaBarbara, an intersex, nonbinary woman who is straight and a sex-positive asexual. She is also polyamorous.

Their son is Dwight Conrad, who is a trans boy that is gay and questioning his romantic orientation. He is best friends with Hubert's son, Cubert, who is a pansexual boy.

Hubert is close friends with John F. Zoidberg, an abrosexual, omnipan, straight, AMAB, transmasc Decapodian that is autistic and has OCD, depression and ADHD.

Calculon is a heteroflexible, quoiflux, bifluid manbot that is neurodivergent.

Linda van Schoonhoven is a butch-femme, trans lesboy that uses she/xi/he and is autistic with depression. Xi is friends with Morbo, an aroace, bi turian, aplatonic alien with bipolar disorder.

Randy Munchnik is a femme, trans gay man with autism.

Hubert's rival, Professor Ogden Wernstrom, is a polysexual man with synthesia.

Hurbert ex-lover, Carol Miller who also goes by "Mom," is a frayromantic, asexual woman with NPD and bipolar disorder. Her eldest son, Walt, is trans and gay. Walt's young brother, Larry, is agender and uranic. And their younger maternal half-brother, Igner, is xenogender and marsic. All three brothers are autistic.

Leela's parents, Turanga Morris and Munda, are both intersex, genderless, t4t mutants.

Yivo is an agender, genderless, abrosexual, polyamorous being. Shklee's sexuality is fluid between omnipan, omnisexual, pansexual, omniflux, panflux, pan gaybian, omni gaybian, mesque, and violenatian. Yivo's pronouns are shklee/shkler.

Roberto is a demiboy, masculine, demisexual, trans manbot who is gay and uses he/it. Roberto has psychosis, is schizospec, PTSD, autistic and has ADHD.

The Donbot is a mafiacoric, libramasculine straight manbot.

The Donbot's wife, Fanny, is a sex-ambivert, high femme, asexual heteroromantic fembot.

Their daughter, Bella, is a nonbinary, femme, dyke, straightbian, lesboy who uses feminine and neutral pronouns.

Joey Mousepad is a demisexual, genderqueer, fag, gay manbot who is dyslexic and had ADHD and uses he/xe/they. His colleague/friend is Francis X. "Clamps" Clampazzo, who is nonbinary, an azurenby, butch, masculine, toric, and gay (blue/green), he is auDHD, bipolar and has PTSD who uses they/he/xe/she pronouns.

The Robot Devil is a transmascfem, trans/ftm, transsexual, GNC, genderfluid, aroacespec, ambiamorous, femme, masculine, turigirl, gay man. He is pronounfluid depending on what his gender is and goes by the name "Bee" that is short for Beelzebot. He uses he/him for when masc presenting, she/her for fem presenting, they/them for neutral presenting, no pronouns for no gender presenting, they/he for masc/neu presenting, they/she for fem/nue presenting, he/she for masc/fem presenting, and all pronouns for masc/fem/neu/non-gender presentation. He has autism, BPD, anxiety, and PTSD.

"hello! I forgot a few things for at LEAST two of the characters in my futurama request. Could you add frayromantic, greyromantic, nebaeromantic, and demisexual to robot devil after aroacespec and add hypersexual to him? Along with adding dyslexia to Francis after auDHD?"

"sorry, more addition to the futurama request, can you add demit4t to robot devil?"

posted!

#asks #long asks

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