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coldraindropsss · 6 months

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gotham-at-nightfall · 1 year

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The Royal Families of The Seven Kingdoms: Part 1

By Jota Saraiva

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highgardenart · 5 months

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Prince Aerion Targaryen, Princess Daenora Targaryen, and their son: Prince Maegor.

#a song of ice and fire #game of thrones #asoif fanart #fan art #asoiaf #house of the dragon #digital art #hotd #got #house targaryen #aerion targaryen #aerion brightflame #daenora targaryen #maegor targaryen #maegor son of aerion

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targsource · 1 month

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TARGARYEN PORTRAITS: PART 9

by riotarttherite on twitter

featuring: King Maekar (1), Lady Dyanna Dayne (2), Prince Daeron (3), Princess Vaella (4), Prince Aerion (5), Prince Maegor (6), Princess Daella (7), Princess Rhaelle (8), King Aegon V (9), Queen Betha Blackwood (10)

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sarcasticsweetlara · 2 months

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House Velaryon after the Dance of the Dragons

I know that after the Dance of the Dragons House Velaryon lost a lot of their wealth, however, they were still a prestigious House, and had gained a lot of treasures that Alyn acquired in his travels.

Alyn married Baela, and later was involved with Elaena, and Rhaena was the one who reconciled House Velaryon and House Targaryen after that falling out.

Very probably King Daeron II Targaryen had to give the hand of a cousin of his to a Marcher House (my headcanon is House Caron) to still keep them in their good graces and still make use of the connection of the Velaryons to the Targaryens.

It's probable Aelinor Penrose married a Velaryon lord after the death of Aerys I Targaryen, as she was still young and fertile, and this time Aelinor could marry a man willing to give her children with whom she could create an alliance.

And either Rhae or Daella (the daughters of Maekar and Dyanna) as well could have married a Velaryon as a strategy as it would be a good alliance for either of them, as they would strengthen their Valyrian blood.

Vaella (the daughter of Daeron the Drunken and Kiera) and Maegor (the son of Aerion Bright flame and Daenora) must have married into House Velaryon, with Maegor taking the name Velaryon as an agreement, as they were Targaryens who had lost the crown.

#house velaryon #the old the true the brave #fire & blood #awoiaf #the velaryons #vaella targaryen #vaella targaryen (daughter of daeron and kiera)#aelinor penrose #maegor targaryen (son of aerion and daenora)#rhae targaryen #baela targaryen #alyn velaryon #elaena targaryen (daughter of aegon iii and daenaera)#rhaena targaryen (daughter of aegon iii and daenaera)#daella targaryen (daughter of maekar and dyanna)

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aurora-light-blog · 2 years

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Illegitimize

In world where bastards can be legitimize, it can be logical to assume that the opposite is possible. A trueborn son or daughter can be made into a bastard. This doesn’t necessary mean that there is a claim of adultery such as Daeron the Good. A person is simply deemed a bastard by the king. Sadly, there is the real-life example of Henry the Eighth who Illegitimized both his daughters Elizabeth and Mary. While Elizabeth had unfounded rumors of being a bastard child, Mary had none but was still made a bastard legally. What are some probably examples in Westerosi history of royal princes or princesses being made bastards?

The first one is Daemon Targaryen. With Jaehaerys and Viserys appointment as king, there was more needed to make Rhaenyra legit heir. As several fans had pointed out by having Rhaenyra declared heir, King Viserys would be supporting Andal law. This is something that would be dangerous to his position especially with Rhaenys and Laenor around (since Baelon *uncle* superseded main daughter hence Viserys on the throne). The easiest way around it is to declare Daemon illegitimized, hence the only viable heir would be Rhaenyra. There would be no issue of adhering to Andal law, which states a daughter comes before uncle, which could be used against King Viserys.

There is evidence to back this up – the title Rogue Prince. As with his other title, Lord Fleabottom, this was meant as an insult. The title ‘Rogue Prince’ might have hinted at Daemon no longer being a legal prince. An example of this is character Rego Draz who was called “Lord of Air.” This title mocked that he wasn’t actually a lord. Furthermore, rogue means liar first (I always thought that it meant only villain). A “liar prince” is awful close to a “fake prince.” Though Princess Elizabeth and Princess Mary were commonly referred to as princesses by most people, legally they were simply Lady Mary and Lady Elizabeth with no line in the succession unless their brother Edward deemed it so. Daemon could have been under the same situation.

The next instance of illegitimized prince and princesses comes from the Great Council of 233. The strongest case of this is Maegor son of Aerion and Princess Daenora. If Maegor lived long enough, he would have to deemed illegitimized in order to safeguard King Aegon the 5th reign and not have another Blackfyre incident. Daenora is the mostly likely princess who had her title removed and made illegitimized. Why? Both her sister and brother were declared heirs to the throne. She would have a strong legal claim to the throne. Likely the Great Council made her simply Lady Daenora. There is still a chance that Maegor’s claim and Vaella’s claim were placed under ineligible like a septon prince or septa princess. They could retain their title but have no right to the line of successions.

Though, Daenora and Daemon are the most likely illegitimized. Still, why is there no mention of this? Propaganda. King Viserys was held as a good king, so no one would write something unflattering about him especially which would make Daemon look better (for real life examples see Richard the 3 or Queen Matilda). Also, the Great Council wouldn’t have allowed anything negative to be said about it. If bastards are viewed in low regard, making someone a bastard would be a vile action with no way of sugar coating it. Those are my thoughts, which I used for my recent fanfiction “The Worm has Turned.” Thanks for reading 😊

#Daemon Targaryen #ASoIaF theories #king viserys #daenora targaryen #maegor targaryen son of aerion #andal law #dance of the dragons #asoiaf laws

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dragons-and-handcuffs · 4 months

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Okay but imagine Aegon the conqueror and Tyrell!reader. His third wife. According to history she is the most beautiful wife. Imagine Visenya and Rhaenys pleasuring her and getting her ready for Aegon. Imagine she is the mother of Maegor and gave birth to him by the old valyrian method. Visenya was so involved with the birth that she too is called Maegor's mother. Imagine your second son, Aerion. Two mad Targaryens from you.

According to history books Visenya was obsessed with you, more than Aegon. You were often found in her room, serving her, pleasuring her. An obsession that Maegor picked up on. But your sons can do no wrong in your eyes.

#aegon the conqueror #aegon targaryen x reader #aegon targaryen #visenya targaryen #rhaenys targaryen #hotd #game of thrones #house of the dragon #game of thrones imagines #hotd headcanon #hotd fanfic #hotd imagine #hotd imagines #hotd one shot #house of the dragon imagine

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thewitchqueenofharrenhal · 4 days

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People love to mention Aemond & Aegon’s *weird sexual agenda* towards Rhaenyra without taking into account the bigger perspective at play. Which is House Targaryen teaches its sons they are entitled to their sisters as possessions, we see it in Jaehaerys & Alysanne, Maegor & Rhaena (a niece but same concept), Baelon & Alyssa (who have a normal sibling relationship that is enforced by their parents as being romantic) and on and on and on. It shows up later in the frightening abuse Aegon experiences from his brother Aerion and Daenerys from her brother Viserys.

Targaryen men are never taught to view their sisters as people they care and protect for, they are taught to view them as potential sexual partners, so while I do feel the hatred Aemond & Aegon had for Rhaenyra had less to do with sexual entitlement and more to do with general dislike because of situations like Driftmark. If it played a part it would definitely be plausible and again a failing that would be placed chiefly on Viserys, who wanted to make Rhaenyra the exception without actually changing the rules. He used Aemma his Targaryen cousin like absolute garbage despite praising her Targaryen blood (Rhaenyra having more Targaryen blood then the Greens is referenced in F&B) and then had his other daughter Helaena forcefully wed also incredibly young to Aegon. It’s as hypocritical as Aegon I Targaryen crying when he held his granddaughter Rhaena Targaryen because she reminded him of the sister wife he actually desired just for her to later be r*ped by his son Maegor.

House Targaryen is simply incapable of cherishing its women, when they are viewed as a resource that belongs to them to bring forth more magical silver haired children.

#asoiaf

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diamondperfumes · 9 months

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The assertions that Dany will "succumb" to her family's allegedly "evil legacy" or the "taint" in her blood require pathologizing her for being an abuse victim borne of rape and incest, buying into bioessentialist "genetics is destiny" argument, and decontextualizing most of the passages from her book arc. This post, with a song juxtaposed with out-of-context quotes from Dany's chapters, is an excellent example.

"Every child knows the Targaryens have always danced too close to madness." The only "mad" Targaryens were Rhaegel, Aerion, Aerys II, and Viserys III. If you want to stretch it, you can include Baelor, though he was more pious and fanatic than mad. Maegor was cruel but lucid. Rhaegar was not mad, despite being Aerys II's son. And the narrative has distanced Dany from Aerys II several times, because one of ASOIAF's central theses is not "you are your father's child," but "you can overcome your father."

"She could not look behind her, must not look behind her" is not Dany "refusing to look at her family's history." This is taken from her fever dreams in AGOT Dany IX, and what she can't look back at is an icy breath that would cause her a "death worse than death, howling forever alone in the darkness." It's the first time Dany sees the Others in her dreams, and she is the only other character in AGOT to dream of them, the other character being Bran.

"I made a horror just as great, but surely they deserved it. Harsh justice is still justice." This is Dany feeling guilty for crucifying 163 slavers. How is that a sign of madness or refusal to confront her family legacy? It's actually a sign that Dany has empathy even for the worst of humanity, even for her enemies. Also, crucifying slavers isn't evil. It's odd that the same fandom that calls Dany a slaver, slave trader, slave profiteer, and slavery enabler, also calls her a tyrant or mad for crucifying slavers. What is she supposed to do with slavers? What is the "proper" way to handle them?

The mother of monsters passage is more proof that Dany is introspective and self-critical. In children's media, shounen anime, and Marvel movies, a villain may unironically call themselves a monster, but in more complicated, nuanced, adult literature, characters who call themselves monsters usually aren't bad people. They're the self-deprecating, humble, and thoughtful characters who are reflecting on their flaws and mistakes. Again, if Dany is someone who refuses to think about the dark side of her family, she would not agonize over the consequences of using her power. Monstrosity is associated with being stigmatized, ostracized, and alienated by hegemonic forces in society, and those characters who identify with monstrosity often have something to reveal about the violence of the status quo and the normalization of oppression.

George is deconstructing the coin quote, not reinforcing it. Madness/greatness, ice/fire, east/west, north/south, sun/moon, pain/pleasure, love/hate, are all dichotomies in the novel that George sets out to show can unite in some way. As I said, most Targaryens were not "mad," and I find it odd that for a fandom as progressive as it frames itself to be, the ableist stereotyping of "foreign otherized race from the East is genetically predisposed toward madness" isn't something fans problematize more.

Dany longing for the house with the red door and wanting to rest, laugh, plant trees and see them grow, are also seen as signs of madness because of her statelessness and homelessness. If a teenage girl has been raped and abused, and is herself a product of rape and abuse, and comes from an exotic Eastern family, then apparently her longing for home is actually a bomb waiting to detonate inside her, because she's unfit to belong anywhere. It's shocking that this mentality is seen as media literate or subversive.

"Dragons plant no trees" has already been disproven by Dany's arc itself. Dany reclaims fire and blood by the end of ADWD because she realizes the peace in Meereen is false (which it is). Jon Snow goes from wanting to hire glassblowing apprentices to plant crops in greenhouses to grow food, to abandoning his vows and declaring war to save his sister, and then dies. Why is that not seen as a sign of "succumbing to madness?" The acts are narratively paralleled. Perhaps––and this may be crazy, but stay with me––the thesis of FeastDance is that you cannot grow, build, and heal a nation in soil watered with blood. No such rebuilding or regrowing is possible unless and until real change occurs, and for real change to happen, the corrupt old guard cannot stay alive.

Certainly TWOW will be a darker book for every viewpoint character, but it's interesting to see how a combination of pathologizing Dany for her gender, ethnicity, genes/biology, trauma, and stateless/rootless/homeless status as an exile/diaspora, with decontextualizing her chapters, quotes, and passages, and an overall misunderstanding of the themes of ASOIAF, to single Dany out as a "dark" character who won't be able to "outrun" her "negative family history."

#daenerys targaryen #canondany #my discourse #meta #asoiaf meta #asoiaf

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daenystheedreamer my friend . i have unending curiosity about your occasionally mentioned asoiaf ocs . Please …….. illuminate me i beg of thee

MWAH okay so the thing with my ocs is they mostly live in a big extended universe called omaegorverse and its less of an original character as it is an ensemble cast of original characters i like to play with. ill put those under the cut but i have a couple who arent:

jeyne whent, lady companion to danelle lothston :) helps orchestrate the capture and execution of danelle by snitching to her family. marries her something-or-other cousin who spearheaded the operation and got the lordship. matriarch of house whent of harrenhal /|\ ^._.^ /|\ she and danelle have an inadvisable relationship w each other ^_^ her kids are born with red hair and high cheekbones and look rather like dead lady danelle.......

aelyx son of jon. failed at being a maester fired as the town crier now spends his days drinking at the IATC ranting about how the targaryens are sexually deviant lizard people and the maesters are lying to us. keeps getting arrested but his dad pays them off with his dentistry apothecary money. his sworn sword is outlaw knight ser rogar stone. has a bulletin on the local notice board called wisdomwars. maesters are rats to him and he only listens to local crackpot eddard grouper-tongue. other associates include robb of dewton, lyanne of dewton, teddard son of anders, daven knight (who isnt a knight) and local crazy nobles lord ronnel and ser randyll of house paul. gets into melees with jordayne and danwell across the river. this is a paragraph to be understood by MAYBE two of my followers. Hi guys ^_^

okay omaegorverse characters. God. here are some of my faves theyre all the gorls + viserys:

VISERYS TARGARYEN: canonical character, brother of rhaena, jaehaerys, alysanne. visenya tyanna and maegor use valyrian blood magic to turn him mpreggable and maegor takes him to wife. yeah i know. also in this universe the targs start being born with various physical abnormalities called the dragon trait ^_^ probably thanks to the valyrian blood magic

VISERRA TARGARYEN: daughter of maegor and viserys. really really REALLY wanted to marry her older brother so she could be queen but got thwarted (brother was engaged to aerea daughter of rhaena, and a hightower). she was born with a forked tongue that the maesters sewed up but later in life she cuts it back open. has seven husbands like that booktok character<3 flies into the sun and dies. rider of vhagar

DAENYS TARGARYEN: daughter of maegor and viserys. born with stubby tail and wings which were removed and she was left with scars. phantom pain :) she is haunted and a lesbian. marries a stark after a stark rebellion and he sucks. ends up killing maegor with viserys<3

MARIS HIGHTOWER: wife of the son of maegor+viserys, jaehaerys. betrothed to appease ceryse and the hightowers over the mpreg thing. she is also a lesbian sorryyyyy i cant help it. has six children all of whom she outlives. somewhat neglectful to her younger three children due to the elder three being kind of crazy.

HELAENA TARGARYEN: eldest daughter of maris and jaehaerys, called the beauty literally all her life since birth. her elder brothers, twins aegon and aerion vie for her affection. aerion murders the high septon at like 14 after he finds out the guy was abusing helaena, and refuses to confess in order to protect helaena's dignity and he gets exiled to essos for it. later on after aegon is crowned, aerion does a paris and helen and kidnaps helaena. blah blah blah both die in battle against each other and helaena retires and later marries a nice hightower man. has one son with aegon and two with aerion. her daughter aerea later weds aegon's son jaehaerys. rider of dreamfyre

DAENERYS TARGARYEN: second daughter of maris and jaehaerys. one of the younger three who are a little neglected. after aerion was exiled, maris left with aegon helaena and her younger daughter maegelle to the hightower, leaving daenerys and her younger brother viserys alone at the red keep. daenerys later marries lord velaryon. after both her brothers die on the throne, she swoops in as queen regent for her great-nephew and rules for a decade. reconciles with her mother :)

DAENAERA VELARYON: wife of maris and jae's son aegon, maegor made polygamy legal for targs with the exception that they can marry one valyrian bride in the valyrian tradition and one westerosi bride in the Faithful tradition. she's the valyrian bride. has three sons, monterys lucerys and jacaerys. after her husband is killed she steals them away to dragonstone and besieges the island, refusing to leave or let her sons leave (her son monterys is the heir). various tragedies happen to her sons :)

JOCASTA LANNISTER: wife of maris and jae's son aegon in the faithful tradition. she is the daughter of viserra targaryen by her second lannister husband. super mad about being a sister-wife and especially mad cos since she's half targ she's more related to/more valyrian than daenaera, who is half baratheon and half lesser velaryon. has five children with aegon: rhaena laena jaehaerys helaena and viserion. after aegon dies, she remarries to a baratheon cos she wants to garner support for her son over daenaera's. she does win! her son does end up on the throne but only after aegon's brother viserys, daenerys, and daenaera's grandson daeron. boymom to the nth degree

ALYSANNE 'ANYA' TULLY: wife of jocasta's son jaehaerys, betrothed to garner the support of the riverlands. jae's wife-in-the-faith, opposite the wife-in-the-blood aerea daughter of helaena. she's very headstrong and has crazy-eyes. great-granddaughter of aenys targaryen through his daughter vaella targaryen (who survives in this au). bullies her second sister alyssa targ and her husband's later mistresses: jeyne storm of tarth, jeyne pryor, and alysanne hawthorne. she probably had the two jeynes killed.

ALYSANNE 'ALYSSA' TARGARYEN: second valyrian wife of jaehaerys. she's a targ through her grandfather viserys-son-of-maris even though viserys was gay (his wife alyssa arryn was mega nutso, did some turkey baster pregnancies and got in with r'hllor dont worry about it). last of her family branch so she's a little haunted. gets bullied by anya tully a lot but they sorta team up against the mistresses. alyssa has a lot of latent anger which she will never release of course and will only die with regret.

ALYSANNE 'RED ALY HAWBERRY' HAWTHORNE: young minor noblewoman who is kidnapped by the ironborn during a huge rebellion-raid thing thats quickly crushed. all the girls who got kidnapped were taken to the red keep to be treated (propaganda). the king takes a liking to her (shes 16, hes 34 🤢). she's naive and kind and sweet and loving and despised by her lover's wives. she's called the hawberry as a cute nickname but its morphs into everyone clearly saying it as whoreberry..... ends up unknowingly surviving several assassination attempts by the alysannes marrying the king! when he dies the illusions are fully shattered and she runs away with her two bastard daughters. she has strawberry blonde hair and wears pink flower crowns and loves everybody in the world (she's getting fidel castro'd so hard right now)

anyway thats wayyyyyyy too many jesus christ my bad my bad. thank you so so so much for your love and interest in my silly thoughts mwah mwah. i hope this is a fun read! im gonna finally release my long awaited much derided omaegorverse family tree soon :) KISSES

#ask #sshireens #au:omaegorverse

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yourlocalnetizen · 7 months

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Visenya Targaryen headcanons because she's the baddest b*tch in the family

(Daemon, Rhaenyra, Aemond, & Bloodraven all wanted to be her so bad even if they don't know it.)

Massive f*cking daddy's girl because the angry eldest Targ daughters are always daddy's girls (EX: Rhaena the Black Bride (pretty much Visenya's twin in spirit), Rhaenyra, Daena the Defiant). She probably told Lord Aerion at one point "Aegon can't love me as much as you love me" and she was totally right.

Ends justify the means kind of gal.

She & Maegor had THOSE eyes. The dark indigo ones because every iconic Targ sibling set has one with lilac (Rhaenys in my headcanon, Aenys, & Viserys III), the most special one with violet (Aegon & Daenerys), & the one with a dark shadow over their heads with Indigo.

She did the perfect winged eyeliner to make herself look even more fierce looking.

Had silver bone straight her. (Aegon's was silver-gold and wavy, Rhaenys's was very pale gold with loose curls)

Visenya & Rhaenys never had beef or a rivalry and especially not over Aegon's love.

Anyone who thinks this clearly forgot that Visenya was ENRAGED seeing Meraxes's skull and Aegon had to stop her from getting violent, she absolutely loved her little sister.

Ser Corlys Velaryon, the one she named first Lord Commander of the king's guard, was her closest friend. Essentially, he was to her what Orys was to Aegon.

Maegor was a male Visenya clone cooked up with Black Magic but he ended up with all her negative traits enhanced. (I lowkey think Aenys was a male Rhaenys clone too which is why his descendants sometimes have demonic babies like Maegor)

While she wasn't a full blown narcissist like her son, she definitely believed her and her family were superior to everyone else.

Wanted to like Aenys because he was her nephew but grew to consider him an embarrassment to the Targaryen name and her siblings legacy. She was literally willing to kill FOR him though, there was some affection there but his personality and weakness made him such a nuisance.

#visenya targaryen #queen visenya #aerion targaryen #lord aerion #maegor targaryen #maegor the cruel #aegon i targaryen #aegon the conqueror #rhaenys targaryen #queen rhaenys #ser corlys velaryon #lord commander corlys #fire and blood

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loksthegreat · 5 months

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» In her youth princess Alysanne had been close to her mother, and while she remained a permanent fixture at her fathers side all throughout her teenage and early adult life and was known to be his sole favorite among lord Ottos many sons and daughters, she without a doubt was the daughter most alike to Queen Visenya. Alysanne had been born twelve years to late to be considered as a bride for her eldest brother Maegor, and while she was close to her brother Aerion both in age and mind, the two shared no great love as found between some of their siblings. Maesters believe that Queen Visenya had sought a powerful marriage alliance for her headstrong daughter early on, for if her daughter could not be queen after her she should at least be a great lady. The queen was no stranger to violence, both in war and marriage, she had encouraged Alysanne to claim the small red she-dragon called Evening as her own and taught her how to wield a sword herself, so she may defend herself, whether it be in the brooding conflict between Visenya and her half brother Aegon or against a unkind spouse. It was the knowledge of the princesses affiliation with unladylike activities and her lack of old Valyria’s beauty that made her a harder prize to sell than one would expect for a Targaryen princess. It was in the year 129 after the conquest, that the then princess Visenya and her fourteen year old daughter made for a tour through the Riverlands on dragonback. On the tenth day the two princesses arrived at Riverrun, to the great demise of old lord Grover, whom had been fearsome of the Targaryens possibly taking action against his rule to place his younger brothers children with princess Daenera, a daughter of the old king, in a position of power. It is unbeknown just what was discussed throughout the five day stay of the princesses, as the current Maester at the castle was terribly young and unorganized, but the fool of Riverrun known as the lord of fish or Fishlord, published a play that supposedly depicted the events that led to the engagement of princess Alysanne Targaryen and young sir Kermit Tully, the great grandson of Lord Grover Tully, within the same year before the fool was found to have been thrown into the water surrounding Riverrun with his throat sliced one morning, a spectacle that only let to popularize the tale he paints between Lord Tully and princess Visenya. Fishlord claimed that the rumors surrounding sir Kermit’s fancy for his fellow knights were true and that the princess had come to see her daughter wed to him with the promise that she would see the Tully line continued and keep her husbands interests under wraps, while also bringing her great aunts bloodline into inheritance again, when Lord Grover had asked how she intended to do so princess Visenya supposedly said: “You’ll need a girl who can keep her mouth and legs shut as loneliness tears at her heart, a girl that will not be lulled into bed by the comfort a handsome singer or knight has to offer, my daughter is such a girl. She will be Lady of Riverrun and she will give birth to strong and healthy sons, with red hair and blue eyes and there will be no question as to their true parentage. My aunts sons are young and strong yet, one of them will surely manage to sire a boy on her, and if not your grandson may have a try at it, seven hells, if it so be, you may try to fuck a babe into her yourself, for as long as you still can.”. And while it is highly unlikely that these were the actual words used by the future queen, Alysanne was betrothed to sir Kermit and married him shortly after the end of the dance in 132 AC and gave birth to five sons by him, red headed and rosy cheeked and without a hint of the brown hair her companion and later second husband, sir Rohan Longrivers, sported. « Daughters of the She-Dragon by Maester Riven

#asoiaf oc #hotd #asoiaf #digital art #otto hightower x oc

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gotham-at-nightfall · 1 year

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The Royal Families of The Seven Kingdoms: Part 5

By Jota Saraiva

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highgardenart · 6 months

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Prince Maegor Targaryen

“Aerion Brightfire’s son was born in 232 AC, and given the ominous name of Maegor by his sire…”

#a song of ice and fire #game of thrones #asoif fanart #fan art #asoiaf #house of the dragon #digital art #hotd #got #house targaryen #maegor targaryen #prince maegor #valyrian scrolls

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mneiai · 1 year

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Jon Snow's Living Situation in ASOIAF

A lot of people take for granted that it was "unusual" for Jon Snow to be raised at Winterfell, so I tried to gather information on as many natural born children mentioned in ASOIAF and related materials to see if that was true.

And it seems not to be, even in the South (outside of Dorne, even). The children born out of wedlock to highborn parents seem to be kept with them or nearby.

This is admittedly a small sample size (around 80 characters, and I didn't go too deep into it so I'm missing at least some), but it's not like this is real history, and the fact that Jon's situation is not unusual seeming from what we're shown in the books just adds to the idea that people's impressions of what is normal are not the truth of what is normal.

Northern Bastards that lived/probably lived with their families (other than Jon himself):

Brandon Snow (Torrhen Stark’s brother, most likely lived at Winterfell)

Sara Snow (Rickon Stark’s daughter during the Dance, if she existed definitely lived at Winterfell)

Dacey, Alysane, Lyra, Jorelle, and Lyanna Mormont (Maege Mormont’s daughters, father(s) unknown and most likely not married to Maege)

Denys Snow (Bastard of Barrowtown, bastard of House Dustin)

Lonnel Snow (Son of Brandon Stark from Daeron II’s reign, possibly the origin of House Cassel)

Timothy Snow (the Bastard of Flint’s Finger, presumably lived with his Flint relatives)

Northern Bastards who were acknowledged and fostered elsewhere in the North:

Larence Snow (Halys Hornwood’s son, fostered with the Glovers)

Other Bastards who seem to have lived with/near their families:

Addison Hill (Bastard of Cornfield during the Conquest)

Alys River (House Strong, a wet nurse at Harrenhal)

Aurane Waters (Bastard of Driftmark, Lord Monford Velaryon’s brother)

Bastard of Blackhaven (House Dondarrion during the conquest)

Bastard of Harrenhal (House Lothston during Daeron II’s reign)

Bryden Rivers (Bloodraven), Gwenys Rivers, Mya Rivers

Cedrik Storm (Bastard of Bronzegate, House Buckler bastard, fought Barristan Selmy)

Daemon Sand (Bastard of Godsgrace, son of Ryon Allyrion)

Daemon Waters (aka Daemon Blackfyre, son of Princess Daena and Aegon IV)

Falia Flowers (daughter of Humfrey Hewitt, though made a servant)

Joy Hill (Gerion Lannister’s daughter)

Lynora Hill (daughter of Ser Jason Lannister, works at Casterly Rock)

Obara Sand, Nymeria Sand, Tyene Sand, Sarella Sand, Elia Sand, Obella Sand, Dorea Sand, and Loreza Sand (the Sand Snakes)

Orys Baratheon (rumored bastard of Aerion Targaryen)

Red Robb Rivers (the Bowman of Raventree, bastard of House Blackwood)

Rolland Storm (Bastard of Nightsong, House Caron)

Ronald Storm (son of Ser Ronnet Connington)

Ronard Storm (House Durrandon, usurped his brother King Morden II)

Tom Flowers (Bastard of Bitterbridge, from House Caswell during the Dance)

Tyler Hill (Bastard of Lannisport, son of Lord Lyman during Maegor’s reign)

Tyrion Tanner (Lollys Stokeworth’s son)

Walda Rivers (great-granddaughter of Walder Frey)

Walder Rivers (Walder Frey’s oldest bastard son)

Walys (Maester at Winterfell under Rickard Stark, while becoming a Maester might normally be seen as sending the child away, he was the son of a Hightower and an Archmaester)

Wex Pyke (son of Sargon Botley)

(I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume if someone is called “Bastard of [seat of their family]” that they lived with their family, as Jon Snow is the “Bastard of Winterfell”)

Other Bastards who possibly lived with their families (at least for a time)

Blackshield (Bastard of Uplands, possibly of House Mullendore)

Ellaria Sand (daughter of Harmen Uller)

Garrett and Garse Flowers (Mace Tyrell’s first cousins, presumably lived with their father)

Harry Rivers (Bastard of Bracken, son of Lord Jonos Bracken)

Shiera Seastar (daughter of Aegon IV, not really confirmed where she lived her early years I don't think, though most likely in King’s Landing)

Bastards definitely not raised at home:

Aegor Rivers (Bittersteel, would have been raised in King’s Landing but Daeron and Aemon forced Aegon to send him away)

Cotter Pyke (Night’s Watch member, most likely did not live with his highborn relatives)

Edric Storm (Robert Baratheon’s son, technically was raised at his family’s seat in Storm’s End, but not at the Red Keep)

Gendry Waters (Robert Baratheon’s son)

Mya Stone (Robert Baratheon’s daughter)

All the rest of Robert Baratheon's kids

Notable bastards whose situations are not at all comparable to Jon’s:

Ramsey Snow (Roose Bolton’s son, a product of a First Night rape)

Benedict I Justman (a Blackwood/Bracken mix, so basically an abomination in the eyes of the gods lol)

Addam and Alyn Velaryon (Lord Corlys Velaryon’s probable sons, most likely purposefully hidden)

Franklyn Flowers (mother was a small folk raped by Fossoways of Cider Hall)

Glendon Flowers (could not prove parentage, claimed to be Quentyn Ball’s son with a camp follower)

Jayne and Jon Waters (Alyn Velyaron and Elaena Targaryen’s children, Alyn died when they were young but had planned to marry Elaena)

Joffrey, Tommen, and Myrcella (obviously)

All of Lyonel Hightower and Samantha Tarly’s children (weren’t allowed to marry, but had children anyway)

Named bastards we don’t have enough information on:

Addam Rivers (briefly a river king)

Humfrey Waters (Commander of the City Watch)

Jafer Flowers (Night’s Watch member)

Mervyn Flowers (King Aegon III KG)

Robert Flowers (former LC of the KG)

Robin Hill (former LC of NW)

Ser Samuel Stone (Runestone master-at-arms)

Tristan Rivers (Golden Company)

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Rhaegel Targaryen as Crown Prince

Consider that even if Rhaegel was considered one of the Mad Targaryens, he was the only one deemed good enough to be a just king.

The Council of Succession in 233 AC passed over his grandson Maegor (the son of his youngest child:Daenora) because he was the son of Rhaegel's cruel and sadistic nephew Aerion "Bright flame", this can tells us that in the scenario of Aerion surviving he would have been passed over as well and sent to the Wall or exiled once again.

Whereas with Rhaegel we see that his daughter Aelora was declared heir after her twin brother-husband Aelor's death; which means the realm deemed Aelora capable of being a ruling queen, something that sadly they denied her sister Daenora.

All of this could give us the idea that Rhaegel was a good prince, popular with both the smallfolk and the nobles and he would have been a good king.

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