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lewiscarrolatemybrain · 1 year

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I love the idea of like. Nieyao reconciliation but specifically with the flavor of Jin Zixuan accidentally being the one to make it happen.

Jin Zixuan is a brother now and he has no goddamn fucking clue what that means or how to be good at it and he's not usually someone willing to ask for help but Yanli has been encouraging him to speak up and be honest with people more often, and this is important -- arguably one of the most important things he'll ever do! -- so. So. He's gonna need some advice, and there are few places where he can go to get it.

Jiang Wanyin and Wei Wuxian are the most immediately available, but their whole relationship is so messy and complicated and weird that even Jin Zixuan can tell that he should take their interactions with several grains of salt.

Lan Xichen would probably be the most gracious about offering his help, and he and Jin Guangyao are close, so his advice will probably also be like. Custom tailored to whatever is most likely to make a-Yao like Zixuan. But therein kind of also lies the problem, because he and a-Yao are close and he also has a weird psychic-link thing going on with Lan Wangji and Jin Zixuan isn't convinced that Zewu-Jun actually knows how to bond with people; he's pretty sure Lan Xichen has never in his life had to work to build a relationship. Everyone who has ever met the man has walked away seeing stars.

So. That leaves Nie Mingjue. The Nie brothers are very close -- Chifeng-Zun is protective and doting and supportive of Nie Huiasang, who in turn will sing his brother's praises to anyone who is willing to listen (and many people who are unwilling but trapped.) But they're also both normal about it. They bicker. They don't always seem to get along. Sometimes they seem endlessly frustrated with each other. And a-Yao and Nie Mingjue are sworn brothers, which does kind of technically give Zixuan and in even though it doesn't make the idea of speaking to Nie Mingjue any less terrifying.

I don't have very much more plot for this but please just imagine Nie Mingjue's utter bafflement at receiving a letter from Jin Zixuan that basically says "Hello, senior da-ge. I have recently gained the title of da-ge myself. Unfortunately I have no training or prior experience in the art of da-ge-ing and I am Terrified of screwing this up. Any advice you could offer on how to be da-ge would be deeply appreciated." and then somehow through the course of helping Zixuan figure out how to bond with his brother (and through Jin Guangyao suffering through Jin Zixuan's attemps for them to bond) Nie Mingjue and Jin Guangyao end up fixing their shit.

#MDZS #The Untamed #Grandmaster Of Demonic Cultivation #Jin Zixuan #Jin Guangyao #Nie Mingjue #Nieyao #I want LXC to play a bigger role in this but idk how yet #anyway join me in this silliness #Jin siblings #Jin brothers #twin treasures of lanling #i wont tag this as 3zun cause again lxc isnt super involved as of rn #but it could be 3zun if you want it to be #dont let your dreams be dreams

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thisisallthehattersfault · 8 months

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We need more Jin-sib fics

“Jin-gongzi,” he says, bending neatly into a bow, and Jin Zixuan is stepping in to grab his wrist and stop him before he’s really decided that that’s a thing he’s going to do. It’s awkward -- he’s seen Zewu-Jun do the same thing half a dozen times with such poise and grace that watching it happen felt like peeking on some kind of... private, intimate moment. Jin Zixuan very much does not want that some energy for this conversation, but he also doesn’t -- he doesn’t want this man to bow to him. It’s a strange thought, a strange feeling, but something about Meng Yao’s lowered eyes and deferential posture... it scrapes. Irritates.

“Please don’t,” Zixuan says, when Meng Yao’s startled eyes flick up to meet his. “We’re brothers.”

He doesn’t know what kind of response he expected from that. He doesn’t know -- he doesn’t know what he’s doing, he doesn’t know what he’s here to say or how he’s going to say it, he just knows he needs to do this, somehow. Still, it’s disheartening when Meng Yao takes a neat step back, face fixing into a polite, placid smile, completely goddamn meaningless.

“Of course, Xiongzhang,” he says, tone also polite and placid and meaningless. “What can this Meng Yao do for you?”

Jin Zixuan wishes, sudden and sharp, that they had grown together. He’s not... good, at people. He knows he’s. Clumsy. He always says the wrong thing and he misinterprets peoples words and actions and he steps all over everyone’s toes and it’s awful, and this man, this stranger who should not be a stranger, is harder to read than anybody Zixuan has ever met before. The only person he’s even close to good at communicating with is Mianmian, because he’s known her his entire life, and she knows him. When he’s rude on accident, she forgives him. When he’s confused about something she says, he can just ask, and she’ll explain herself without getting offended.

He could do that, he thinks, if Meng Yao had been raised beside him. Even with that perfect, porcelain mask of a smile. If they knew each other, really knew each other as brothers should, then Jin Zixuan could see through the mask, or maybe Meng Yao wouldn’t bother to wear the mask around him. Maybe he would be like Mianmian, spelling out his thoughts and emotions clearly so Zixuan could understand what was going on in his head, and do his best to try and help.

... Oh, Zixuan thinks. Oh, that’s what he wants. That’s what he’s doing here. The silent, steady synchronicity between the Lan’s Twin Jades, how they gravitate around each other like celestial bodies. The fond indulgence with which Chifeng-Zun regards Nie Huiasang, while Nie Huiasang so loudly and openly admires his older brother. Jiang Yanli’s effortless soothing of her brother’s temper, and Jiang Wanyin’s lightning-quick fury in his sister’s defense. Jin Zixuan doesn’t know how to do that. (But, oh, he needs to try.) “Can we talk?” He asks, tongue feeling thick and clumsy in his mouth. “I mean, if you’re not busy. We have -- there’s wine? Unless you don’t drink, then there’s tea. Unless you don’t like tea. Water? I could have --” “Xiongzhang.” Jin Zixuan’s jaw closes with a click. Meng Yao’s perfect mask twitches, just once, before smoothing out again, maybe just a little bit softer. Just a little bit warmer. “I would be happy with tea, thank you,” says Meng Yao. “Please, lead the way.” Jin Zixuan turns immediately on his heel and, single-minded, guides his brother past the crowded clumps of people dotting the camp and into his tent.

#MDZS #The Untamed #Meng Yao #Jin Guangyao #Jin Zixuan #Jin Siblings #Jin Brothers #Twin Treasures Of Lanling

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allmydokkuns · 10 months

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if there's anyone Mandarin-speaking bilingual active on here and still has spoons for MDZS, I have a bit of a linguistic question but not enough knowledge to find an answer myself that I'd appreciate some help with!

I know the fanon fix it courtesy name for Meng Yao being accepted into Lanling Jin is "Ziyao," as in the correct generational character "Zi-" to match Zixuan and Zixun, plus his birth name. Is there any reason he can't still have his birth name and a courtesy name specific to his generation? Same thing goes for Mo Xuanyu.

I've been trying to think of good names for them in a scenario where this does in fact happen but all I've found so far is

偿 cháng for MY bc JGS doesn't deserve paternal rights, which only makes sense if you're privy to the poly fixit that lives rent free in my head...

Unfortunately I've come up with nothing for MXY for now, mainly because there's a particular kind of resonance between character birth names, courtesy names and personal titles that's hard to balance correctly for anyone who doesn't have a lot of working knowledge of the original language.

Anyway if there's anyone out there who has some ideas, reblog/comment/tag me on this post because my brain ain't spitting up much rn. Much thanks. I also remember reading something by someone else talking about how Lanling Jin goes by generations when it comes to deciding names for male descendants and that the radicals in Lan Xichen's and Wangj's birth names seem to be aligning by design, but I don't have enough spoons to find characters that contain the "xu" sound while also having some kind of relevant meaning for both MY and MXY. So instead I tried to think of word characters with good connotations that would be used to name sons as if the two of them had been accepted into the family with good intentions, dunno if I succeeded. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯qq

((now the rest of this is just gonna be some thoughtvomit because what even is coherent sentences anymore, abrupt topic change bc my joints are too messed up to make a separate post))

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding traditional family dynamics, but there is no real reason for Lanling Jin to not accept both Meng Yao and Mo Xuanyu into Lanling Jin except for 1) as established, Jin Guangshan is a philandering rapist piece of shit that has absolutely no intentions of taking responsibility for his offspring and sexual proclivities, or 2) they're attempting to save face for the clan and trying to do the thing where if they do not acknowledge the existence of these children then the problem does not exist?

I understand that some people spin it as being Madame Jin's intolerance for these illegitimate sons given her abuse of Meng Yao after Zixuan's and Yanli's deaths in canon timeline, but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me given how little presence she has in the plot and sect since she married into Lanling Jin. Not saying her taking out negative emotions on someone who for all intents and purposes she should be treating kind of like her son is right, because abuse is still abuse, but other than that it seems her only purpose in the plot is to give Zixuan a mother, Yu Ziyuan a sworn sister, Jiang Yanli a mother-in-law, and Jin Guangyao someone else to hate in Lanling. She's not distinct enough to have a canonical name other than her title as Jin Guangshan's wife, and besides which, being the wife she has no real power to make any decisions regarding the family's heirs. Moxiang Tongxiu straight up set up Lanling Jin as the wealthiest sect after Qishan Wen falls and they just so happen to be the only sect with only one (1) child born of the sect leader and his wife? Sus. Legally everything would have been all well and good if JGS was forced somehow into legitimizing both his illegitimate sons (the sons specifically, since having an illegitimate daughter does your family no real good in a Confucian society unless you're going to marry her out for political purposes) and they were raised as they should have been, especially since both MY and MXY seem like intelligent people. Zixuan gets some backers, Madame Jin gets some more kids and JGS gets some concubines, everyone wins! Even the sect's line of succession is more secure if he suddenly gets two sons. In short, there were so many ways JGS could have taken control of this situation as the father and sect leader and spun it to somehow come out smelling more like roses BUT HE ACTIVELY? CHOSE to give absolutely no shits and just let his wife, kids and sect suffer the consequences of this particular paternal dysfunction. And we all know what happened because he gave too many unnecessary fucks where they were not needed :^) or consensual :^)))) fuck that guy honestly tbh.

Now granted that was a whole sidebar, and maybe I'm thinking about this too hard but does nobody else think it's weird that of the Great Sects, only the male characters in Yunmeng Jiang and Gusu Lan have both canonical birth and courtesy names? It's almost like MXTX gave only the male characters most relevant to the story one of each honestly, since the only two exceptions that are coming to mind now are Su She (Minshan) and Xue Yang (Chengmei). Of course there is the argument that Wen Ning also has a courtesy name, but does it really count when no one uses it to refer to him? The naming stuff in this story are all over the place actually -- Jiang Cheng is the only sect leader of his generation that is referred to primarily by his birth name, but bc WWX is an unreliable narrator it's probably because he always called him that and somehow conveniently forgot he no longer had a right to call him that after he voluntarily left Yunmeng Jiang, therefore we as the audience also call him that... The fact that JC and WWX both seem to have courtesy names when they're kind of young for them, but that also goes for Lan Wangji. Neither the Nie brothers or Jin Zixuan have canonical alternate names, so either it wasn't very important to the plot (though it kind of is in Lanling after the Campaign when JGY gets legitimized but not really since it's the wrong generational character), but what's going on with Qinghe Nie's naming choices? This kind of inconsistency is fine if you handwave the whole thing about degrees of intimacy and formality and stuff but it gets funky if you stare at it long enough.

And that's not even scratching the surface of the weirdness surrounding the women in MDZS -- as few and shortlived as they are. Yu Ziyuan is the only wife of a sect leader in the named sects with a canonical name and title that isn't her married sect's clan + Madame, and the only one we see with any kind of sway both martially and in the everyday running of Yunmeng Jiang. Most importantly, she's the only woman in the series to have her own personal title! Also, again, sidebar, but Jiang Yanli choosing to go by Madame Jiang in fic instead of Young Madame Jin is a mood and a whole chef's kiss tbh. I think also in the kind of household I've been imagining her in after her marriage she could also be called "xiao-furen" (young Madame) where Madame Jin could also be properly called "lao-furen" (old Madame) to differentiate them according to subservient members of the household, in-house? That's a whole nother thing tho, in-group (household, sect, clan) versus outgroup (other sects or clans, and in some ways, your maiden clan if you married out).

Anyway. All of you writing Madame Yu as the root of all trouble in the Yunmeng Jiang family are being culturally insensitive and midkey misogynistic -- looping back to the discussion on JGS being a piece of shit father and sect leader, all his sect's family dysfunction is his inability to keep it in his pants and properly manage his paternal responsibility for the fruits thereof because in a Confucian setting, wives must obey husbands, sons must obey fathers, and both mother and son have therefore no power to override JGS's shitty parenting and leadership decisions re: powermongering and lack of legitimate heirs. Madame Yu's dissatisfaction with Jiang Fengmian's neglect of his only legitimate heir for some other person's son, even if that person's son is the current head disciple for the sect, is valid, because neglecting the next sect leader means neglecting the sect's future. Again, not saying her punishing WWX for stuff that he may or may not have done with Zidian was right. Wei Wuxian might be brilliant and talented and all that, but he doesn't have the right temperament to lead as a sect and clan must be led: with prudence, diplomacy and caution. Again, not WWX-bashing, but I think my favorite description of him goes something like "Wei Wuxian has never met a situation he didn't think couldn't be solved through escalation, and you all think Jiang Cheng is the emotional one?" Jiang Fengmian is an interesting contrast to both Jin Guangshan and Qingheng-jun in that he embodies the idea of physically there, but emotionally unavailable father, whereas JGS is maliciously neglectful and Qingheng-jun is practically non-existent. Granted we don't get a clear idea of how JFM is with JC outside of what that dynamic is like with WWX but I don't think very highly of a father who will scold the son that labored for who knows how many days to save his shixiong's life while praising said shixiong for something he didn't even accomplish alone in the same breath. It's the whole pattern of "ignore what Jiang Cheng accomplishes but lavish praise on Wei Wuxian who would have gotten into even bigger trouble if Jiang Cheng wasn't looking out for him too" that gets me with him. They're both children, you be the adult and sect leader they deserve and look past your biases against your wife (allegedly) and from your past (allegedly) to give them the tools they need to succeed together once you've kicked the bucket.

Is Madame Yu perfect? No, but I do think she loves her children and recognizes the responsibilities she has to Yunmeng Jiang, and she knows as a wife, mother, and fighter, that nothing she does or teaches or passes onto the children in her care means as much as the recognition and explicit support of her husband the sect leader. Jiang Fengmian's presence and legacy in the story is very faint. But Madame Yu? I see echoes of her in all three Yunmeng Jiang kids. But then I see her getting turned into the nagging wife stereotype and it makes me angry that the most developed female character in this story so often gets the short end of the stick in fanfic. Obviously I can't control what some of y'all write and there are some cultural/political nuances that exist in the story that a lot of the fan base may not be familiar with, so yeah I can understand why she gets watered down like that, like any other character in the story does and I'm not calling anybody out for it. But if some of y'all took one look at the so-called sect leaders in this story and immediately decided that it was their nagging, abusive hag of a wife that was the problem, I don't think we're reading/watching the same thing. Also, Wen Ruohan doesn't have a wife mentioned at all that I'm aware of and you could 100% argue that he's the root of most of the political BS that happens in the story, so do with that what you will.

Anyway I'm tired and my joints be protesting so I'm gonna call it a night. If you read this far, take a virtual cookie for making it all the way to here, thank you. If you're new to this hellsite and thought this was intriguing/interesting, reblog or comment and help a bitch out with some engagement, these posts take a lot out of me and if you'll remember, I did have some questions before the meta that I'd like to get out to the wider fan base. Likes don't do shit except make the OP feel like they're yelling into a vacuum. Y'all have a good one.

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littlesmartart · 7 months

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DRAWTOBER #12 - Something is Rotten in the State of Lanling by @eastofakkala

In which Madam Qin tells her daughter instead of her daughter’s betrothed about why she and Jin Guangyao can’t get married. Angry and humiliated, Qin Su comes up with a way out for both of them. Or, Qin Su saves the day.

Jin sibs bonding fic!! in which Qin Su and MXY are far more happy jumping on the violent enthusiastic patricide bandwagon than JGY is quite prepared for, and he isn't certain whether to be proud or horrified of his bloodthirsty younger siblings! though there are a few emotional ups and downs, this is largely just a super fun hilarious fix-it with the three younger Jin sibs trying and failing to murder their dad, and what more could you ask of from a fix-it???? not only is there wonderful genuinely heartfelt bonding between JGY, QS and MXY, but even JZX gets some character development, and the plot is a really enjoyable romp through the twists and turns of attempted patricide.

#xiyao #jin guangyao #mo xuanyu #qin su #the untamed #drawtober #drawtober 2023

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lucreziaborgiagf · 2 years

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♪ <3!

♡♡♡!!!!

you get heirloom by sleeping at last!!

You pressed rewind

For the thousandth time

When the tapes wore through

So you memorized

Those unscripted lines

Desperate for some kind of clue

#fun fact this is on my music bc it reminds me of jin ling #but it’s also on my lanling jin siblings playlist bc i figured it could work for his dad aunt and uncles too

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carrot-felisidad · 14 days

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I read somewhere that The Gusu Lan's simplicity in terms of fashion sense is often overlooked, as it reflects their discipline and resolve towards cultivation. But then I also noticed that YunmengJiang's flashy purples are often overlooked, too. Like, my man Jiang Cheng is the most well-dressed man out there, and Jiang Yanli was always Aesthetic Goals TM. Wei Wuxian may be in his simple blacks and reds, but compared to other sect robes, I find his robes elegant and fashionable.

Although in terms of flashiness, Lanling Jin clan may be the winner, but I find their robes tasteless, with their brand logo in front, like rich people who wear bad fashion as long as the prints louis vuitton or chanel are visible.

But Yunmeng Jiang? *Chef's Kiss* All adaptations understood the assignment that this is the kind of family that supports all the local tailor shops. Each sibling has their own shop because one shop cannot accommodate their NEEEEEED for fashion robes. Meanwhile, Lan Wangji has been wearing the same robes since he was 18. He probably only has two sets that he washes everyday. Meanwhile, Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng:

#Yungmeng Jiang is the fashion sect #lanling jin is that new money international student #Gusu Lan is white shirt wearing nerd #nie sect is cargo pants wearing martial arts kid #mxtx #mxtx mdzs #Jiang sect #Lan sect #Jiang Cheng #Jiang Yanli #Wei Wuxian #Lan Zhan #Lan Wangji

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wangxianficrecs · 9 months

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Follower Recs

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Stiltonbasket doens’t miss, this one is just so good! @ladyunderthemolehill

travelers through the empty gate

by stiltonbasket (@stiltonbasket)

M, WIP, 90k, Wangxian & Nielan

Summary: Ten years after eliminating the Jiang and Nie clans, Emperor Wen Ruohan is dethroned by a young demonic cultivator from the outlands of Yiling, who surpasses him in both talent and cruelty. Where Wen Ruohan burned his enemies, Emperor Yiling raises his from the dead, and sends them through the imperial city to hunt down every last remnant of the Wen clan that tries to evade his clutches. The last thing Lan Wangji wants to do with the Yiling huangdi is marry him. Unfortunately, his family's fall from grace leaves him with no other choice.

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Continuing with another stiltonbasket fic, a tgcf fusion with LWJ as a calamity? Reincarnated WWX? Pining ^ 2? Lovely! @ladyunderthemolehill

【银劍探心】| Silver Jian Seeking Hearts

by stiltonbasket (@stiltonbasket)

M, WIP, 30k, Wangxian

Summary: “A ghost bridegroom?” Wei Wuxian asks, when he receives his latest night-hunting assignment from Uncle Jiang. “Have women been going missing?” If brides have been going missing, this is the first that Wei Wuxian is hearing about it; which is strange, because the systematic kidnapping of brides should have quickly been recognized as spirits’ work and reported as such to the nearest cultivation sect as soon as possible. “Three women and ten men have gone missing so far,” his uncle tells him. “Jinshan town is out of our jurisdiction, and the records say there hasn’t been a hunt in the area since before my grandfather’s time. But no one from Jinshan thought to report the disappearances until today, so the victims must be long dead by now.” - Four hundred years after the Sunshot Campaign, a reincarnated Wei Wuxian dresses himself in wedding red to defeat the ghost of a bridegroom. Deep within the forests of Jinshan Mountain, the mourning calamity Yin Jian Tan Xin waits to marry his beloved.

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Scheming NHS sends himself and three others to the past to fix things. @ladyunderthemolehill

Kay's Rec

In My Defence, I Have None (For Never Leaving Well Enough Alone)

by SemiLocalCryptid

T, WIP, 73k, Wangxian

Summary: Wei Wuxian, Lan Wangji, and Wen Ning are unsure of how they feel about Nie Huaisang trapping them in a soul-transferring array that sends them to the past, long before the happy ending they had suffered so much for. Reliving their most traumatic memories is not what they had planned when they went out on a seemingly innocuous nighthunt. But now that they're here, apparently to stay, they have no intention of making the same mistakes twice. (Or, a Time-Travel AU where Nie Huaisang sends Wei Wuxian, Lan Wangji, Wen Ning, and himself back to their first night at the Cloud Recesses with an agenda: save everyone, especially his brother)

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Scheming NHS Schemes Again but don’t worry, he has a plan! @ladyunderthemolehill

Nie Huaisang's Ten Steps to Fix The Fucked Up Reality

by cosmic_zephyr (astralcelestia)

T, WIP, 62k, Wangxian

Summary: 1. Find the time travel array in the Nie library 2. Convince (manipulate) Wei Wuxian to use demonic cultivation to activate the array. 3. Transmigrate to the body of your 15-year-old selves with Wei Wuxian and Survive his wrath. 4. Come up with yet another exaggerated, slightly concerning, plan to save Lotus Pier, Dafan Wens and your brother. 5. Use Empathy to make the Wen siblings side with you in the mess that is soon to come. 6. Kill the main Wen family and make Wen Qing the new leader of Qishan Wen so innocent people are not killed. 7. Annoy the hell out of Lanling Jin just for funsies and also a political statement because Jin Guangshan can suck it. 8. Preferably, just for your own sanity, find a way to kill Jin Guangshan and Jin Guangyao. 9. Work with Wei Wuxian and Wen Qing to solve the sabre problem of the Nie clan. 10. Live a happy life with your brother alive and the cultivation world not being a huge fucked up mess. Aka the fic where Nie Huaisang and Wei Wuxian (and Lan Wangji) travel back in time and save the cultivation world. Except the fact that nothing goes according to plan when disaster trio Wen Qing, Nie Huaisang and Wei Wuxian is involved.

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In which the Burial Mounds change WWX to something not human and it won’t be easy to stay in control. Good angst and whump in this one @ladyunderthemolehill

Le Sang du Cygne

by Enfant_Loup

T, WIP, 23k, Wangxian & Nielan

Summary: He could recall with crystalline clarity the cry of the eagles in the blue skies above, the cliffside, and the rocks. And the beast hiding there, watching him. A snow leopard. He remembered the eyes, and the knowledge chilling his spine, that he was in front of a predator. That he was a guest on this mountain. That he could be killed at any moment if the animal wishes so. Wei Wuxian’s eyes were like this for a second, there and immediately gone again, like sparks dancing fleetingly when tossing wood in a fire. Wei Wuxian comes back from the Burial Mounds changed, his teeth a little sharper, his eyes a little redder.

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In which WWX leaves the Jiang sect before the CR lectures. I rather like fics that explore different What-Ifs. @ladyunderthemolehill

My heart knows (you’re the missing piece)

by makexianxianhappytoday

T, WIP, 67k, Wangxian

Summary: At a young age, Wei Ying thought that Lotus Pier was his sanctuary. Wei Ying thought wrong. What if Wei Wuxian had chosen to leave Yunmeng Jiang even before attending the cloud recesses, how does it changes things? Rogue cultivator WWX! fic (for awhile!) * chpt 1 could be read as a one-shot * but also im making it into a short series

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(Please REBLOG as a signal boost for these hard-working authors if you like – or think others might like – these stories.)

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jiabaoyufuncionario · 2 months

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A scenario that has recently been piquing my curiosity is the possibility that Jin Ling might have uncles and aunts younger than himself. Let me explain. We know that Jin Guangshan remained sxll active until practically the end of his life. JGS engaged in relationships with young women, and he himself died at around fifty years old. Considering that JGS died when JL was already four years old, it could be possible that JGS impregnated a woman shortly before his death, and that woman gave birth when Jin Ling was perhaps already five years old. And the possibilities of Jin Ling having uncles and aunts one, two, three or four years younger than himself is even higher. At this point it should be noted that, during the imperial era in China, this situation would not be unusual at all. Those who could afford concubines (the rich men) usually had children who had large age differences between them. Taking into account that the average age of marriage at the time was quite low, especially in the upper class, it was not strange that the eldest children had sons and daugthers before the birth of their youngest siblings. This theory would have to overcome two obstacles: the first being that the novel tells us that Jin Guangyao ended the lives of his bastard siblings to prevent potential rivals. We might wonder if he truly had total effectiveness or if he spared those who were barely babies and their families were not involved with the cultivation world. Jin Guangshan had so many descendants that some could have been saved. The possibility is there. On the other hand, there is also the obstacle of the natural survival of children. In the period in which MDZS is based, infant mortality was huge, even among high-class families. And if we consider the survival chances of a bastard baby, given the unfortunate circumstances of his birth, the scenario is even worse. The possibilities involve following the case of Mo Xuanyu and thinking that some mothers might have hoped that the wealthy father of the babies would eventually take an interest in them. Let's create a scenario: Jin Guangshan impregnated a poor girl from a merchant family with business connections with the Lanling Jin Clan a few months before his death. The girl gave birth to a boy without being married, and her family pressured her to get rid of the baby. She refused and fled with the child, hiding in some village. Jin Guangyao, in these circumstances, found himself unable to locate the boy. The child had the opportunity to grow up in peace. He received cultural and functional education from his mother, as she comes from a wealthy family, and she received it herself. Shortly after the boy turned sixteen his mother fell ill. They could not afford the necessary treatment, and the boy, whom for convenience we'll call Xiuyin, tried to degrade himself to get money for his mother. His mother stopped him and revealed the truth: he was the posthumous son of Jin Guangshan, former Leader of the wealthy Lanling Jin Clan. The current Leader was Jin Rulan, a twenty-one-year-old young man, grandson of Jin Guangshan and therefore his nephew. Unlike his grandfather, the new Leader seemed to be a decent young man, despite having a somewhat conceited personality.

After their encounter, JGS left his mother a jewel crafted internally by the Jin Clan. The jewel could be his proof. The woman gave the jewel to her son, and he set off for Terrace of Golden Scales after leaving his mother in the care of a widowed neighbor.

Will Xiuyin manage to convince his nephew to help his mother? Firstly, the boy, highly intelligent, had to familiarize himself with the current state of the cultivation world. To do this, he gathered information in taverns and squares. Finally, after a couple of months of travel, he arrived at the gates of Terrace of Golden Scales…

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #jin ling #jin guangshan #jin guangyao #lanling jin #english is not my first language #From random theory to quick fic #Or the one where Jin Ling gets a new uncle #but younger than him #cql #chen qing ling #tbc

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tbgkaru-woh · 9 months

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Nie Huaisang shows up at Carp Tower with his "sorry for getting u praganant" cake. He runs into Jiang Cheng, who is *also* carrying a "sorry for getting u praganant" cake, except his is purple. They squint at each other and then proceed to Jin Zixuan's rooms, where they are joined by an increasing number of other handsome young cultivators carrying similar cakes. The question becomes: who got Jin Zixuan pregnant? Only Luo Qingyang, who is extremely tired, can get Jin Zixuan to stop blushing long and stammering long enough to find out for sure.

Bold of you to assume that Jiang Cheng's cake wouldn't be spelled correctly with a dot at the end Actually no cake, just a formal letter. Actually no, he was just on his regular family-enforced visit to the Koi tower when he saw the circus. Now he maybe never considered the peacock before but he doesn't like to stand out of the crowd by /not/ being interested and also were his lashes always this pretty, can HE GET SOME DAMN SPACE IN HERE, everyone go home! (Huaisang can stay.) On a more serious note: the lanling jin hunts instead having zixuan's hand in marriage as the price, so all these respected clans with hand-picked cultivators are invited :))) jzx hates being given out like that without his own choice ever mattering, but maybe he is secretly hoping the youngest yunmeng sibling can win, perhaps? he also feels extremely embarrassed when wwx accepts the invite only to be all like "oops I failed, guess I'm out of the competition". public humiliation for jzx that's wei wuxian's fault and jiang cheng's problem to fix now (also I like the idea of nhs trying really hard but generally being not very good at all the games. maybe nmj is helping him a little, secretly, well not so secretely, lan xichen saw but only smiles it off)

#hcs #chengxuan #sangxuan #jin zixuan #nie huaisang #jiang cheng #wei wuxian #mdzs

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fengshenjunlang · 1 year

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The Wen Sibling and their family are NOT Prisoner of War.

They were called the Wen remnants, not the war prisoner even in Canon.

MDZS chapter 72 (from exiledrebel):

Wei Wuxian, "You definitely remember him. Last month, when you were night-hunting in the area of Ganquan, you chased an eight-winged bat king to the gathering place or the detention camp of the Wen Sect's remnants and brought a group of the Wen Sect's disciples The one in the lead was him. "

Here, they were not called the Prisoner of War. They were the remnants of the previous Wen Sect, and some of them still have the identity of Wen disciples.

The place they were gathered together may be called a detention camp, but it is not the prison where you must do labor for others. It is further explained here:

After the Sunshot Campaign, the QishanWen Sect was destroyed. The territory that it was expanding was shared among the other sects. The Ganquan area was appointed to the Lanling Jin Sect. As for the remnants of the Wen Sect, they were herded into a small corner of Qishan, not even a thousandth the territory it once owned. They were crammed into the place and struggled to live.

They were driven to live into a small corner of Qishan, and struggled to live , yes. But not being imprisoned and become the prisoner of war.

The proof for their identity is the next explanation:

Wei Wuxian, "Fine, I don't mind explaining it in greater detail. You couldn't catch the bat king and happened to run into a few of the Wen Sect's disciples who were there to investigate the same thing. And so, you threatened them to carry spirit-attraction flags to be your bait. They didn't dare do it. One person stepped out and tried to reason with you That's the Wen Ning I m talking about. After some delay, the bat king got away. You beat up the Wen cultivators, took them away by force, and the group disappeared. Do I need to say any more details? They still haven't returned yet Apart from you, don't know who in the world I could possibly ask.

They are originally not prisoners who were forced to do labor for the winning party.

They are originally still a disciple, a normal cultivators, who could still have the privilege to even nighthunting on their own..... Until they were forcibly captured by Jin Zixun!!

As for the real prisoner of War, they were put in Qiongqi Path from the very end of the war. Look at this passage:

Now that the Lanling Jin Sect had taken over the Qiongqi Path, of course it couldn't let the QishanWen Sects glorious past continue to exist. It was in the middle of reconstruction, meaning that all of the reliefs on both sides would be chiselled down and new ones would be carved. Naturally, in the end, it'd be given a new name that'd emphasize the Lanlinglin Sect's gallantry.

Such a large-scale undertaking would need many laborers for sure. And, as for these laborers, of course there were no better candidates than the Wen Sects prisoners of war, who had become homeless dogs after the Sunshot Campaign.

Wen Qing, Wen Ning and their family branch were not Prisoner of War. They are just the remaining people of the Wen Sect.

They are not homeless but lived in Ganquan, despite the small corner they have.

As for the reason why they didn't get classified as the Prisoner of War. Lan Xichen has said it on MDZS chapter 73:

Lan Xichen responded a moment later, "I have heard of Wen Qing's name a few times. I do not remember her having participated in any of the Sunshot Campaign's crimes."

Here. Lan Xichen as one of the Leaders in the Sunshot Campaign has verified it.

Wen Qing is the leader of her own family branch, when she didn't participated in war crimes, naturally her followers wouldn't.

Not only did LXC verified it, Wen Qing herself has said it on MDZS chapter 60:

Wen Qing cut him off, "What the Wen Sect does doesn't represent what we do. We don't need to be responsible for the Wen Sect's wrongdoing. Wei Ying, there's no need to look at me like that. There's a beginning to all debts. I'm the office leader of Yiling but I was ordered to take the position. I'm a medic, an apothecary, I've never killed anyone, much less touched the blood of the Jiang Sect."

It was true. Nobody had heard of any lives lost by Wen Qing's hands. There were always many cases that people wanted her to take over. It was because Wen Qing was one of the Wen Sect's people whose way of doing thing was actually normal.

At times, she could even put in a few good words for people in front of Wen RuoHan.

Her reputation had always been good!

Here is the verification from both Wen Qing and the narration from MXTX herself.

And it's also to refute what Nie Mingjue said about Wen Qing never trying to speak against Wen RuoHan.

Yes, Wen Qing at times even put in a few good words for people. But obviously not when Wen RuoHan has already decided, determined, and already started long ago, to dominate the other sects.

But anyway, Wen siblings and their family are not Prisoner of War, originally!

#mdzs #mdzs novel #wen siblings #wen qing #wen ning #wen yuan #wei wuxian #mo dao zu shi #chapter analysis #grandmaster of demonic cultivation

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Madam Qin fearing for herself is absolutely not a moral failing, but I feel like the other thing that meta basically dismisses is how extremely traumatic talking about rape often is for victims even when they don't have to fear being killed for it. Madam Qin is described as having been extremely depressed for years, even though she was still very close with her daughter. It was extremely difficult for her to say anything, and when the wedding announcement came through she fainted dead away on the spot and then died right after the wedding. That meta describing her as "giving up" and just not being bothered to do more to save her daughter put a really nasty taste in my mouth.

Yes, yes, absolutely this. The fact that she didn't speak to anyone until the betrothal fucks me up so bad. Like, she spent the better part of 20 years (or more) carrying that trauma all by herself, and all the while she probably has to interact with her rapist on a semi-regular basis because her husband is still friends with him and Laoling is beholden to Lanling Jin politically even before JGS becomes Chief Cultivator. She probably has to attend events at Jinlintai. She probably has to host him at her house. And the more time goes by, the less likely it is that anyone will believe her, so even if she were able to speak about it, what incentive would there be to do so, short of a crisis like the one she tries to prevent? God.

(Sometimes I sit there and contemplate: what if they really weren't half-siblings? The timing of QS's birth is such that nobody takes anything amiss. What if she really was QCY's daughter, but Madam Qin assumed the worst and was never able to find out for sure because if she never felt safe enough to talk about her rape, she sure as hell wouldn't feel safe enough to seek out confirmation of her fears? Or, on the other side of things, given how heavily JGY favors his mother, what if MS miscounted and JGY was never JGS's son after all? What if all of that was based on a worst-case scenario that hadn't actually transpired? The whole thing is wretched but that would manage to make it worse, I think.)

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lewiscarrolatemybrain · 1 year

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I am having Jin Sibs thoughts and feelings again.

Pre-legitimization Meng Yao standing awkwardly at a banquet, surrounded by Jin cultivators, stage-whispering about his mother and his history and isn’t it so shameful that the bastard whore-son has come crawling, searching for scraps? Doesn’t he have any shame? And Jin Zixuan doesn’t say anything, tries to pretend he can’t hear the whispers, but he gets tenser and tenser and tenser until his cup shatters in his hand, and he stands and storms out of the room.

Everyone assumes he left because he was so furious and disgusted with the presence of his bastard half-brother, everyone figures he’s angry to have to share space with Meng Yao. The whispers pick up, get louder, nobody is even pretending they don’t want to be heard, and Meng Yao smiles and smiles and stares at his feet and grits his teeth until his jaw aches and smiles and smiles and smiles

Jin Zixuan returns only a moment later, scowling furiously, robes whipping around him as he storms across the room to Meng Yao. He raises his hands — Meng Yao flinches — Jin Zixuan grabs him firmly by the jaw, tilts his head back roughly.

Uses his pinky, wet with paint, to dab a vermilion mark, right between his brother’s eyebrows.

Wordlessly, he drags Meng Yao to his own table, bullies him into sitting down. Turns to snap at a gossiping servant — well? Jin-er Gongzi has not been served. Do you think this is acceptable? In the stunned silence that follows, Jin Zixuan stares resolutely at the pot of tea (he tries to pour himself a new cup and can’t, on account of he broke the last one and doesn’t have a replacement yet.) The whispers will start up again as soon as Jin Zixuan is out of earshot, but for now, at least, the hall is quiet.

#mdzs #the untamed #grandmaster of demonic cultivation #jin zixuan #jin guangyao #meng yao #jin siblings #I heard them called the twin treasures of lanling in a fic once #and I love it #jin brothers #more jin sibs content!!!!#gimme!!!

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robininthelabyrinth · 2 years

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I'd love to see a minific where JGY and JZY have more of a genuine sibling relationship

“I don’t know how to do this,” Jin Zixuan said frankly when Jin Guangyao first moved in. “And everything I’ve ever heard from other people seems rather predicated on having grown up together. I can’t really imagine wrestling with each other over some nonsense argument – can you?”

Jin Guangyao had to admit that it seemed unlikely.

“So I figured I’d ask you what you would like. In terms of a sibling relationship, that is.”

Jin Guangyao had just gotten a new name, a new home, even a new set of sworn brothers. He felt that it was worth at least trying to have a new perspective on life – to try to live up to that perfect gentleman cultivator ideal he’d been raised to admire, rather than the sordid truth he’d lived with until now.

“Support?” he suggested hesitantly, hoping against hope that Jin Zixuan’s offer had been sincere. “I expect there will be people who will still refuse to look past my mother’s origins…”

“I’ll take care of that,” Jin Zixuan said firmly. “If anyone causes you any trouble – anyone, including our cousin or my mother – you come to me, okay? I know how to give them hell in the right sort of way.”

“Right sort of way?”

Jin Guangyao’s half-brother’s lips twisted. “Lanling Jin isn’t the most straightforward place, as I’m sure you’ve noticed. I try to pretend it’s not that bad, but it really is…there’s a lot of unwritten rules. I’ll walk you through them – there are going to be times when you need to be arrogant, because being yielding or compliant or even mildly helpful will be interpreted as weakness. You have to establish early on that you’re worthy of respect and that you won’t stand for anyone acting otherwise.”

That was completely contrary to Jin Guangyao’s usual modus operandi. He frowned.

“I’ll show you,” Jin Zixuan promised again. “Just tell me when you have trouble. With anyone. Anyone.”

That repetition was starting to get a little suspicious.

Jin Guangyao thought about Nie Mingjue, who just earlier that day had pulled him aside and told him that he needed to be more straightforward about things now, lest he allow misunderstandings to breed. Jin Zixuan seemed so sincere…perhaps now really was the time to try to listen.

He met Jin Zixuan’s eyes. “Even our father?”

Jin Zixuan looked – relieved. As if he’d been afraid to be the one to say it first.

“Yes,” he said solemnly. “Especially our father.”

This would be quite useful, Jin Guangyao thought. He wasn’t sure how yet, but – it would.

#mdzs #jin guangyao #jin zixuan #my fic #my fics #alt headcanons

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fortune-maiden · 3 months

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ace attorney au- for tgcf? or au where Meng Yao shows up at Lanling not on Jin Zixuan's birthday but (somehow) in the period where JZX is off at the Wen indoctrination camp?

I love both of these :D

And funny that you mention a tgcf ace attorney au because @vicucha and I recently came up with a three tumors lawyer au (sorta) so I am obviously keeping that!

Pei Ming is a Defense Attorney. Ling Wen handles all the paperwork/investigation for the firm. Shi Wudu keeps the firm afloat because of course he does. (he hasn't been arrested for murder yet, so it's fine!)

Okay but that part aside, TGCF already kind of plays out a bit like an ace attorney game with Xie Lian solving various cases that slowly come together to create a bigger case.

Pei Ming and the Three Tumors are the rival defense attorneys in this AU because I feel like we haven't really had that yet in AA

Jun Wu is the judge naturally

Mu Qing & Feng Xin are the prosecutor and the detective. MQ is channeling his best Miles Edgeworth energy - he is excited to be able to fight against Xie Lian in court, and definitely not friends with him or anything. Feng Xin exists to make Xie Lian's investigations easier and Mu Qing's harder :)

I just finished reading Ling Wen's revised backstory last night so I have the Hua Cheng's Butterfly Dream spell on the mind as this AU's supernatural gimmick. Hua Cheng is Gege's mysterious assistant who allows him to enter the suspects/witnesses' Mental Scapes and gather various clues

SQX is going to get accused of murder at one point, and this is a trap for Shi Wudu who will never allow his sibling to go to jail (it does not actually matter to him if SQX is guilty). This results in a rivals team up/compete situation as well though because Pei Ming is also not letting his friend's sibling go to jail (plus he refuses to believe SQX is a murderer. He's met SQX), but SQX wants Xie Lian to defend them. This whole case turns into a mess because SWD *will* admit to a murder he didn't commit if it gets SQX off the hook, and will also make the investigation painful for everyone and drive friend and foe alike insane (PM isn't even competing with XL after a point. He's commiserating.) (And naturally the real murderer is He Xuan who wanted SWD to take the fall for it. He's unsuccessful but SWD's not off the hook after this trial because there's obviously a reason HX targeted him. All the crimes come out!)

Incidentally, SQX is being accused of murdering Ming Yi. Who is their best friend. Except something something identity hijinks and plastic surgery. So that's fun :)

#tgcf #ace attorney au #i think I got carried away xD #but I like AA AUs!#xie lian #shi qingxuan #hua cheng #i'm sorry ming yi you still died in this au T_T #I'll answer the other au in a separate post because this got longer than intended #another case that would happen in this au is the banyue case #though only in the sense of banyue as the suspect and pei xiu as the culprit (or at least perjuring witness/accomplice)#also xl keeps stealing all of pm's clients (except swd lol)#random tgcf thoughts

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