#just like Inoue!Rhea's lines

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I did Crimson Flower first in my Three Houses run and... honestly, Edelgard wasn't even remotely as convincing to me to join her as the fact I'd get to fuck Jeritza.

Beresu I've chosen for the job grew up in Ardesian Empire and I've definitely leaned into Ashen Demon idea as much as possible, so what I've got was a merciless butcher, not a revolutionary firebrand. I expected Edelgard to be this scary red emperor with the grand ideas that justify the means, I expected the vibe of Nine Inch Nails' Survivalism, but instead she's an absolute dork and Hubert does everything morally dubious for her. It reminded me of Corrin in Fates on Nohr path and it definitely did not endear me to her.

Generally speaking the only interesting bits were Jeritza (love this man, best girl) and... maybe Hubert. Honestly speaking, with the way Hubert acts I expected him to be a Flame Emperor after seeing Edelgard. I just genuinely don't get how Crimson Flower Edelgard can be even remotely convincing - she's scary in White Clouds at times, but then it's nothing but dork, dork, dork, Beresu I hate rats, Beresu my path is stained in blood despite the fact I can barely reach any enemy in my automatic promotes and Hubert, Jeritza and you kill most of the enemies instead.

She's idealistic, but it's never really shown how much she's willing to mow down people for her ideals - we don't see destruction, we don't see any particular drama. The only bits closest to it were me deliberately not recruiting any non-BE students aside from Mercedes, Anette, Marianne and Lorenz. Killing these students felt like something, but it isn't really enough and it's entirely optional.

she's scary in White Clouds at times, but then it's nothing but dork, dork, dork, Beresu I hate rats, Beresu my path is stained in blood despite the fact I can barely reach any enemy in my automatic promotes and Hubert, Jeritza and you kill most of the enemies instead

LOL

I don't remember having the same movement issues with Hector when he was promoted, but damn if Supreme Leader's prf class was a nightmare, she was behind people and didn't have enough def to act as a suitable tank - she's supposed to be a player phase unit, but she doesn't have the mov stat to do so...

Granted, it was my first run too, so I missed on the heron festival event and didn't get a dancer :( but I played it before Emile was patched in, and, in a way, I thought it was on purpose - Supreme Leader says she'll explain everything to Billy later on, when they see Emile fighting with them when the BESF attacks the Monastery, and nothing is ever explained post TS - much like how the war was supposed to get rid of Rhea because she has scales, but come the post TS and we're not embarking on the MAGA ride, to conquer Fodlan!

Corn at least, in Conquest, spent more time angsting at the casualties and blood shed - to the point some players found it uncomfortable - Corn notable tried to save people or reacts strongly when Scarlet is Hans'd (just like Sakura's army? I don't remember that well).

It's less artificial than Supreme Leader who only says this in some support lines, or when she's alone with you - her lines feels more like a compulsory thing to say, a box to tick, than a regular reaction. There's nothing similar to Corn's distress or at least gambit to try to spare the defeated soldiers, instead, we have a round of hypocrisy because Rhea BaD when she doesn't let people evacuate the city before turning it in a giant bbq - when we have Emile on our side and when other routes reveal the battle of the Monastery happens so fast after her declaration of war that the CoS doesn't have time to evacuate all of its residents (+Emile saying the grounds around the monastery are battlefields too) in the other routes.

Hubert is still the best part of CF, even if I sort of grew somehow interested at the students insulting Billy when they chop them off - sure my interest later died, but Judith's JP VA lit screaming and crying when Ignatz and Leonie died, Inoue!Rhea's lines delivery, everything bar the BESF itself managed to make the "we must kille people we knew sad uwus" hit closer to the mark than the onion scene, aka the one where Supreme Leader cries after beheading a defeated, and on his knees, Dimitri.

But I agree, it's almost if all the pathos that was supposed to be triggered by the "kill your students :'(" from the game went to the CF enemies, rather than to the other routes casualties.

"We killed Ferdie professor :("

Watch as I gave a fig, Ferdie dies in a map where he is fielded with a Demonic Beast iirc, aka a Feral One. If Ferdie doesn't see anything wrong fighting side by side with a Feral One and doesn't have the same circumstances Lorenz does (granted, even those circumstances are mushy) - especially since it's possible for Ferdie to defect since that's what he does in SS - I legit feel less figs that when we had to kill a retreating Judith, or an Ignatz or Leonie who were defending their homes - hell, even Hilda who, against all of her words and previous behaviour - finally puts her life on the line to protect someone.

#anon #replies #I remember how I was engaged with this game when I only played CF #thinking we would have more revelations on the other side after playing the other routes #condamnation of Izuka and all more reveals about Nabateans and the plot #and instead I got teapots of Hresvelg Grey #talk about a disappointment lol #I still think that Judith delivery was something #just like Inoue!Rhea's lines #they're just - #What voice acting does to a meh script #it brings it to life #but then it was lolcalised and we all know how that ended #i still think if the US VAs had the same directions the JP VAs had #we would have had less discourse and the game would have been imo better #oh well #I'm beating a dead horse here #FE16 #you killed Supreme Leader anon lol

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With a Resounding "Yes", It's Time for Paranormasight VA Headcanons!

I'm going to be an oddball and switch between Japanese & English VAs when I find it relevant. Also my order's gonna be based on how strongly I think the headcanon works. I'll also try to provide examples for the angle I'm going for

let's a go

Tetsuo Tsutsumi Japanese: Option 1 - Akio Otsuka (Executioner from Akudama Drive). Option 2 - Jouji Nakata (Osvald from Octopath Traveler 2) English: Option 1 - Jamieson Price (Malik Caesar from Tales of Graces F). Option 2 - Jason Douglas (Kishibe from Chainsaw Man)

Middle aged men characters are my specialty so really it depends on the delivery you want. Richard Epcar (Ace from 999) could also work for English as well as Bill Butts (Ciocolotta from Jojo part 5)

Makoto Ashimiya/Fumichika Nejima Japanese: Kenjiro Tsuda (Ogata from Golden Kamuy...and also Kishibe from Chainsaw Man). Katsuyuki Konishi could also be a good example but I can't really think of an old man character. I guess Takehito Koyasu could also work? But like this is THE most TsudaKen looking motherfucker I've ever seen English: Joe J. Thomas (Nobunaga Hazama from Hunter x Hunter). His "So I did" line really cemented this casting choice tbh.

Richter Kai Japanese: Shiniciro Miki (Kisuke Urahara from Bleach) English: For this, it depends again on the delivery you want. I originally wanted Doug Erholz (maybe not like Vega from Street Fighter), but upon closer inspection, Ray Chase (Uzui Tengen from Demon Slayer) might be a better pick.

Harue Shigima English: Laura Post (Empress from A Hat in Time) Japanese: Kikuko Inoue (Rhea from Fire Emblem Three Houses)

It just works, it just works~

Shogo Okiie English: Chris Hackney (Yuito from Scarlet Nexus) Japanese: Tatsuhisa Suzuki (Noctis from Final Fantasy 15)

Standard older protagonist

Jun Erio Japanese: Kaito Ishikawa (Noe from Case Study of Vanitas or Iida from My Hero Academia) English: Griffin Burns (Doppio from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure). Zeno Robinson (Akira from Zom 100) would also work great!

An excitable character that I think can work great with the right delivery.

Takumi Yumioka Japanese: Toshiyuki Morikawa (Yoshikage Kira from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure) English: Ben Lepley (Gouto from 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim)

I feel like a flat delivery that still has an air of intimidation would work best for him.

Mayu Chozawa English: Option 1 - Tara Sands (Sonya from Fire Emblem Echoes); Option 2 - Cristina Vee (Velvet from Tales of Berseria). Amanda C. Miller (Sailor Jupiter from Sailor Moon) is also a good pick along with Heather Gonzalez (Cherche from Fire Emblem Heroes) Japanese: Miyuki Sawashiro (Kyoko Honda from Fruits Basket). Nana Mizuki could also work, though I sadly can't think of a role off the top of my head

Going for the woman who grew up a punk vibe

Yutaro Namigaki Japanese: Jun Fukuyama (Draluc from Vampire Dies in No Time) English: It's tempting to put Xander Mobus for the total Joker Persona 5 duology but ehhhhh. It depends on the delivery again. Brian Beacock (Luthier from Fire Emblem Echoes) or Steve Staley (Hubert from Tales of Graces F) could also work tbh. Maybe Lucien Dodge (Waver Velvet from Fate/Zero)

Ayame Touno English: Faye Mata (Amame from AI: The Somnium Files) Japanese: Rie Kugimiya (Rise from Persona 4)

The voices contrast each other, but I think each one compliments the kind of character Ayame is.

Storyteller Japanese: Hochu Otsuka (Tsurumi from Golden Kamuy) English: TBD

Here's where I'm starting to think about 1 solid casting and kinda improvising for the second one. I think the Storyteller changes voices depending on the mask they wear, so for this old man mask, an old man they shall sound like.

Michiyo Shiraishi English: Xanthe Huynh (Marianne from Fire Emblem Three Houses) Japanese: Aya Endo (Miyuki from Lucky Star)

Few lines for such a sweet gal

Yakko Sakazaki English: Abby Trott (Older Annette from Fire Emblem Three Houses). For some reason I also pictured Cassandra Lee Morris (Tomi Kisaragi from 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim) Japanese: Marina Inoue (Female Protagonist from Persona 3 Portable)

Spunky young lady, ain't she?

Mio Kurosuzu English: Amber Connor (Faye from Fire Emblem Echoes) Japanese: Rie Murakawa (Est from Fire Emblem Echoes)

Young but calm & sweet

Yoko Fukunaga English: Cherami Leigh (Patty from Soul Eater) Japanese: Saori Hayami (Yor from Spy x Family)

Not related to casting but I think she and Ayame would be weird girl besties and I love that for them

Hideiki Araishi English: Patrick Seitz (there's a specific role in mind that sounds similar to Mama from AI: The Somnium Files but naaah that doesn't sound right) Japanese: Tomokazu Sugita (sadly can't think of a role off the top of my head)

He's a bit of a snob so something a bit arrogant works best

Kohei Jounichi Japanese: Here's where I think Katsuyki Konishi would fit best (Koito from Golden Kamuy comes to mind, oddly). Makoto Furukawa (why did I think Ronaldo from Vampire Dies in No Time??) could also work English: I think this will depend on the delivery. Do you want him more cowardly? I kinda see David Vincent tbh (Henri from Iruma-kun)

Hajime Yoshimi English: He could be another potential Patrick Seitz role, but I want to avoid double casting as much as possible. Japanese: Subaru Kimura (Todo from Jujutsu Kaisen)

Hitomi Okuda Japanese: Ai Farouz (Jolyne Kujo from JJBA) English: Option 1 - Laura Stahl (Alear from Fire Emblem Engage); Option 2 - Erica Mendez (can't think of a role off the top of my head)

Once again going for toughness, but from a younger angle

aaaand I think that's all the voiced characters! Some roles I had to think up of on the spot, so I might come back and revisit this, but I'm open for suggestions as well!

#long post #pikes rambles #paranormasight spoilers #paranormasight #spoilers #voice acting

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Fire Emblem Three Houses (ENG vs JPN) - Opinion

This is just an opinion post for which I prefer. I have 650 hours and counting on the game, so I’ve had time to listen to a bit of both. These are the voices I prefer. I can’t say for sure which voice or dub is better. Overall, they’re both pretty solid. 

Byleth (Male): Yūsuke Kobayashi | Zach Aguilar I feel like Kobayashi’s voice fits better. I just didn’t like Zach’s interpretation for Byleth or Tanjiro. 

Byleth (Female) Shizuka Ito | Jeannie Tirado This one is more of a preference. 

Edelgard: Ai Kakuma | Tara Platt Again, I feel like this is more of a preference. I just feel like Tara Platt doesn’t sound like a teenager either. Ai Kakuma gives her more of a softer and more “girly” vibe if that makes sense?

Dimitri Kaito Ishikawa | Chris Hackney Chris is funny with Dimitri’s character. He goes from the whole “don’t eat the weeds” to the emotional scenes that are great, and as much as I really, really, really like Ishikawa’s dialogue as well, I didn’t get the nuance from the script of the Japanese version. 

Claude Toshiyuki Toyonaga | Joe Zieja This one is a tie. I couldn’t choose. I know everyone prefers Joe because he’s very involved with the fandom, but Toshi is really good too. If it makes sense, he gives Claude more of a romantic vibe? He seems a lot more flirtatious and suave in Japanese, but I will admit that there’s more nuance in the English script. Regardless, the confession scene feels way better in Japanese (Toshi does a lot of otome games so maybe it’s from that)

Hubert Katsuyuki Konishi | Robbie Daymond I don’t really like Hubert all that much, to begin with. Katsuyuki makes him sound less like a cartoon villain and more like an actual potential good guy to S-Support.

Dorothea Juri Nagatsuma | Allegra Clark When you have Dorothea and Mercedes on your team, you can only take so much “ara ara”. Allegra (not the allergy medication) also makes her sound a lot more natural. I personally didn’t notice the first time I played through that she was double-casted, but after a couple of times, I got tired of the whole “let’s hire one actor/actress to play more than one character!” 

Ferdinand Taito Ban | Billy Kametz Billy Kametz just won a Crunchyroll Award for his dubbing of Shield Hero, and I can definitely see that he’s really talented. He’s pretty prolific with his roles in other anime too like Cells at Work and Demon Slayer. Both of Ferdinand's voices are a good fit, but nothing beats the FE meme of “I am Ferdinand Von Aegir” 

Bernadetta Ayumi Tsuji | Erica Mendez I don’t really like either. You can open any dub out of a can, and Erica Mendez has a 50/50 shot of being there. Bernie’s JP voice is like a broken squeaky toy though, so Mendez just automatically wins. 

Caspar Satoru Murakami | Ben Diskin Besides double-casting (which I’m not a fan of), Ben just made Caspar sound like too much of a child even with the time skip. 

Petra Shizuka Ishigami | Faye Mata Petra’s English is probably a contributing factor. Localization does wonders.

Linhardt Shun Horie | Chris Patton You can also find Patton in a lot of other dubs. However, I just preferred Patton’s a bit more because it made him sound a bit more grown-up. Not to mention, some of his lines just fair better in English.

Dedue Hidenori Takahashi | Ben Lepley There’s such thing as making a voice a little too low, and after playing Crimson Flower, hearing the pain in Dedue’s voice after he loses his best friend is quite something.

Felix Yuichi Jose | Lucien Dodge Felix is a whiny brat, but I feel like Yuichi makes him feel like less of a whiny brat. 

Mercedes Yumiri Hanamori | Dorothy Elias-Fahn There was no competition. Yumiri’s voice is the absolute perfect fit for Mercedes. Elias-Fahn’s voice made her sound like a cartoon dinosaur.

Ashe Yūki Inoue | Shannon Mckain There’s a lot more character in Mckain’s voice. 

Annette Takako Tanaka | Abby Trott This is purely personal preference.

Sylvain Makoto Furukawa | Joe Brogie This one is a tie. I couldn’t choose. Joe Brogie does bring that “f-boi” vibe, but Sylvain’s confession scene in Japanese was really sweet while his English version was... passable. Furukawa’s got too much experience with those kinds of things. 

Ingrid Manaka Iwami | Brittany Cox She makes Ingrid sound so sweet, and her voice has so much more emotion and character compared to Cox’s version which sounds so flat at times. Also, her death line is infinitely better post-time skip in Japanese. 

Lorenz Hiroshi Watanabe | Ben Diskin Nobody likes Lorenz. 

Hilda Yūki Kuwahara | Salli Saffioti Again, there’s more nuance in the localized version. 

Raphael Takaki Otomari | Zachary Rice The amount of “himbo” energy stuffed into that dub is legendary. 

Lysithea Aoi Yūki | Janice Roman Roku Aoi Yuuki is a symbol in the seiyuu fandom because she does a lot of voices for little girls. 

Ignatz Shougo Yano | Christian La Monte They tried to do something with the JPN dub that didn’t quite work. They tried to make him sound much higher pre-time skip then made his voice hit puberty, and while I appreciate the authenticity and efforts put in, they couldn’t make it consistent so his voice was constantly going from high to low when exploring the monastery post-time skip. 

Marianne Sawako Hata | Xanthe Huynh I just prefer her more soft-toned voice. 

Leonie Sakura Nogawa | Ratana I don’t like Leonie that much really. 

Jeralt Akio Ōtsuka | David Lodge I like both, but Lodge is a better fit for the narrator too. 

Rhea Kikuko Inoue | Cherami Leigh I really like Cherami as a voice actress, but this feels like a great miscast. Her singing voice for Rhea isn’t great either, and her screams felt subpar at best. Kikuko Inoue really gave her that “wise old lady” vibe. 

Sothis Tomoyo Kurosawa | Cassandra Lee Morris I don’t really like Sothis. I still say that they could’ve made a better character than that. Her child voice is offputting too. 

Manuela Sachiko Kojima | Veronica Taylor No preference here because I never cared for her or ever really put her in combat. 

Hanneman Kenji Hamada | W. T. Falke Hamada’s voice was a bit too deep. Besides that, the same as Manuela. 

Catherine Chie Matsuura | Laura Post No preference here. 

Alois Manabu Sakamaki | Dave B. Mitchell His character is based on puns, so of course, English dubbing will prevail here. 

Seteth Takehito Koyasu | Mark P. Whitten Mark dubbed some fan lines, and his voice is much more distinctive and isn’t associated with any big-time characters yet (cough Dio). 

Flayn Yuko Ono | Deva Marie Gregory Yuko Ono’s voice is way too high. It rivals Bernadetta.

Jeritza Atsushi Imaruoka | Patrick Seitz Patrick did a great job directing this dub, but Jeritza sounds like he’s constantly about to yawn in the English version. 

Shamir Yurina Watanabe | Allegra Clark Their voices are extremely similar in quality. I just have a bit of bias, and I don’t like double-casting. 

Cyril Kengo Kawanishi | Griffin Burns I don’t like Cyril. Yuri Junya Enoki | Alejandro Saab Junya provides a really good voice for Yuri. It makes him sound even more like his character if that’s even possible. Junya gave much more of that trickster “Claude” kind of vibe. It’s hard to decipher, but despite being kind of similar, Junya wins by a landslide despite Saab providing a stellar dub. 

Balthus Subaru Kimura | Aaron Hedrick I think it’s because of the localized script. His voice is also a perfect fit for the character. 

Constance Sarah Emi Bridcutt | Kirsten Day I can’t take all the “OHOHOHOHO” laughing all the time. 

Hapi Sachika Misawa | Christine Marie Cabanos Hapi’s localized script is really down-to-earth and adds to her character more. 

#fire emblem three houses #fe3h #fire emblem voice actors

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Rhea was an amazing villain in CF. She finally wasn't a hapless uwu victim waiting to be rescued, she took charge, kicked ass, showed her determination to take back control by burning a city down while she was in it, and went down fighting without any "mommy are you there?" nonsense like in SS. Also Cheremy turned in an epic performance showing all the rage and tragedy as her millenia of work collapsed in on itself. 10/10 female villain with agency, would experience again.

I'd say antagonist, rather than villain, but sure, the lack of uwu is surprising!

There's no "sad uwu" with sad music and violins and "choices" ending with a very meaningful "i wanted to walk with u" to a person she might only have talked to 3 times in the past 6 years!

CF!Rhea shows her determination, in a twisted way, as she loses more and more control and relieves her PTSD, doing everything she can to survive and failing - failing to survive (well duh she's killed), failing to reunite with her mother, failing to live with humans, etc etc.

Seeing her lose more and more and her ultimate breakdown when Flayn'n'Seteth is really something - I have already made my point known about the different VA directions - and while Cherami Leigh's anger is really well conveyed - Inoue's performance conveys how you litteraly broke her! There's anger yes, but also despair and sadness.

She wants to reunite with her mother, even at the end - that's all she wants, and it's Inoue's peak performance between anger, anguish and despair that really sells Rhea as a character.

I think I felt as bad when this was over as that moment in ToX1 where you defeat Muzét on Jude's route, and she begs Maxwell to help her, only for him to, uh, don't do a thing. Then she goes bananas, and the ultimate line to Gaius where she replies with anger to his "well think by yourself" with her own "I don't know how" is just - that awesome. It's the perfect blend of off-putting, to make you understand that this character is more than just angry, but this character is feeling "feelings" (duh!) and they're shovered in your face, and sometimes, those feelings are uncomfortable and you can't ignore them.

In ToX1, imo, we're supposed to think that yes, while Muzét is an ass a bit too happy to be a perfect tool, the second she is abandonned she's a complete mess - and why the old fart abandonned her? Well...

Ditto for Rhea - her actions grow and grow more desperate, culminating with Bernie's Firdhiad adventure - but that anger and pain? They can't be ignored.

Alas, where ToX1 ends Muzét's breakdown with Milla accepting to make a place for her by her side (as unsatisfying as it is!), CF ends with...

Well, nothing.

But back to your post (I disgress too much lol) :

Yep, CF!Rhea isn't brainwashed, lobotomised, randomly "berserk" or anything, nope. Now, we can have other discussions about a genocide victim being hunted again and forced to relieve her PTSD until she breaks down.

But for a female character with agency, who decides how she will go down and is fully on board with her own plans, I think Azure Moon's Edelgard takes the cake.

She will meet Dimitri and her enemies in her palace, even resort to transform in her Hegemon Husk form if it means killing them to make her ideal world see fruition. No uwu, no crest stones used as poke balls, nope, nothing. It's only her, her ideals and her vision of the world.

#anon #replies #rhea stuff #FE16 #I think I also had vibes from Catelyn just before her breakdown #i remember that scene when the red wedding happens #and when shes says in the book after taking someone hostage #something Catelyn would never do usually #'on my honor as a tully on my honor as a stark' something like this #when she begs for Rob's life #and of course it doesn't work and then she breaks down #would a rhea who survives CF become like Lady Stoneheart? A shell of her former self obsessed with revenge? idk #I still think AM is the route that depicts Supreme Leader in the best light #no uwu no Supreme Puppet #It's just her like Ashnard in FE9 #I always wonder what kind of Rhea Leigh would have offered if she received Inoue's VA direction #but alas it was not meant to be

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FantasyInvader reply on the Edelstans going full circle on “translation=making Edelgard look bad” is the first time I heard of Treehouse hating Rhea, but it honestly makes sense now that I think about it.

Oh,

TBH I ranted a few years ago about the localisation and the direction Cherami Leigh received to dub Rhea, and, uh, well...

I don't think she hates the character or anything, she just goes with the direction given, but man what a load of crap Pat told her lol - she made an interview where she says Pat told her Rhea has a hair-trigger temper (tfw she only loses her shit when you try to reenact the genocide she escaped when she was younger - but nah it's just a hair trigger temper) and how Rhea "just is", something we know is bullcrap because she's the same person who's insecure about "bothering" people if she eats with them, Rhea isn't the assured person she tries to pretend to be, but Pat dgaf.

Regardless of the meaning of the quotes, if you have time to spare of the feh wiki, just compare the delivery of lolcalised!Rhea and Inoue!Rhea (her Halloween alt is telling), they're like night and day - but in the game proper, we have the fe datamine website !

Short story : Lolcalised!Rhea isn't supposed to emote bar being AnGrY, monotone (that line where she worries about Aelfie's plans in the DLC could be swapped with her reading the notice of aspirin) or have 2 lines where she's relaxed (billy supports) - Jp!Rhea is allowed to be upset, to mourn, to be worried, cheerful etc etc.

I've already complained a lot about FE16's lolcalisation, cultural bias at play and wanting to soften a certain character, but to exaggerate only a little bit, I have the feeling Rhea was portrayed in the lolcalisation (and not localisation, the lol is very important) as the ultimate bogeyman of the "dictatorial evil leader of an organised religion who is also a zealot and does not tolerate dissent because she's religious" which has...

idk, but serious issues because again, if you are supposed to localise a product you cannot edit something red to be something violet and sparkly and if the shitstorm (that ultimately came from a misunderstanding!) about "creative localisation" is any indication, more and more people are fed up with lolcalisations altering the meaning, not of a word, but of a game to suit their own agendas.

Oh, and not specifically tied to Rhea but in a way it is because it adopts Supreme Leader's prop a ganda words :

A friend earlier noticed that the NoA official website - where you can buy the game (digital version) - adverstises Fodlan as a land controlled by the Church of Seiros. Oddly (lel) enough, this "controlled by the Church of Seiros" crap of a tidbit doesn't appear in the japanese website, and even in the european ones!

I don't believe we got another version compared to the Treehouse version - even if at times, the french script is closer to the japanese one and at times they come up with their own bullshit - but there is a point to be said that in a certain part of the world, the game was advertised in a way that kind of fit a certain's characters POV, something that doesn't exist in the rest of the world. And it's in that same "part of the world" that the person who directed the VA for the eng dub, well, worked and directed said VA.

So what, is it some great conspiracy or something else? lol no.

Did Treehouse told NoA "don't worry, I've got this game, I'll localise it just close your eyes and market it that's all" and they went bonkers? And for some reason whoever was in charge at the NoE branch didn't close their eyes (maybe half-closed) so we have a weird mix between the two? idk.

#anon #replies #FE16 #lolcalisation issues #lolcalisation woes #I mean I've shared recently a pic for the anniversary of rhea baking cookies with the widest smile ever #you won't make me believe that someone who is only familiar with Pat's Rhea would have drawn this #they're like two different characters #i understand trying to localise certain concepts/things to make them understandable for another audience #but damn if FE16 with Rhea went absolutely wild #imagine it's as if someone seriously take Ron the Deatheater and adds him to a serious work like a localisation #but i confess i've always been critical of the dub #that's generally the case where you live in a country where english isn't the main language and where we're used to consume media in our #own language #it's always the issue of if i have to listen to something i don't understand i'll take the original instead of the second hand copy thanks #and by the time you can understand the second hand copy the original is too ingrained in your mind and you notice differences #that's also why I'll keep on saying it but imo dual audio should be mandatory for games with voice acting

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JP Rhea is so different from ENG Rhea that it blew my mind when I first heard some of her lines. When Flayn and Seteth die JP Rhea sounds like she's about to break down into tears while ENG Rhea is pure rage. What's up with that?

:')

I've been saying this for years now lol

What's up with that?

Pat being Pat, lolcalisation lolcalising, some people trying to connect dots between unrelated things, Supreme Leader bias, a general aversion in a certain part of the world for real life organisations that don't exist in this specific fictional world...

And it's so annoying, because if Leigh got the same direction Inoue had, we could have had a "better"/"closer to the intent" Rhea, which might have lessened the vitriol spat by some devoted fans and randoms about her.

Check Nopes Leigh!Rhea, especially when she gushes about Willy - she was perfectly able to play Rhea as someone with a lot of feelings and a bubble of emotions other than "rage mode", but Pat's crappy direction made it so that FE16+FEH's Leigh!Rhea is always in "rage mode", with none of those other feelings Inoue!Rhea conveyed since day 1.

I still think Inoue did a nice performance here, Rhea's angry and crying and upset at the death of her bro and niece - and it's powerful in a way that, hey, Billy's and Supreme Leader's actions have some consequences, not as in "look you made her cry", but her tone? She's breaking up and torn apart because of those actions, Rhea's descent to madness? It's Billy and Supreme Leader's fault.

Meanwhile, Rhage just rages as usual, removing, imo, that weight. If Rhea's raging, it's not new or anything like that, she's just raging as usual. It's not the direct consequence of killing those lizards.

#anon #replies #lolcalisation issues #lolcalisation woes #FE16 #FE Fodlan is for me the new flagship for the 'why sub > dub' argument #it's not an issue of voice actors but of everything #direction being led by Pat and the entire lolcalisation #Rhea cannot cry in the lolcalised version she is too busy raging #if you see or hear her cry and suffer then you might feel bad and think Supreme Leader is full of watermelons #so Rhea just rages instead as usual because she's instable and has a hair trigger temper #it's easier to put it all on her #rather than the characters you play as

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The fact that there are tons of people who refuses to see the original Japanese script as Canon really pisses me off. For bloody sake. It's a damn Japanese game. It's like if that certain version is more favored to their palates they'll just take it and insists that's the Canon one. Sounds like a whole lot of copium to me. Or the only language that exists for them is English. Ugh... Screw localisation issues

IDK if you're the same anon -

Ultimately I think everyone can enjoy the game they like and all, but when we're trying to write meta or discuss about meta related things...

That's where it fails.

Pat'n'pals's FE16 and 3 Nopes lean heavily in a "Church BaD" narrative, even if they couldn't outright erase and supress some lines due to "creative writing" or something.

But some people will try to extrapolate and analyse a lolcalisation exclusive line, and see what it brings to the game - that has never been written with the lolcalised line in mind.

Remember that line about Supreme Leader and the Slithers and who was supposed to be the puppet or the other? JP version of Tru Piss has Cornelia express surprise at Supreme Leader manipulating the Slithers, launching torpedos at the "uwu small girl was forced to do bad things bcs mole people bad" ship.

But too late, that ship already sailed anf fueled a long ass fic, thousand of takes and trillions of words about... fanon!Supreme Leader. Rather, lolcalised!fanon!Supreme Leader.

That post I rb'd today?

While I was still browsing redshit, many people said Clout offered a chance to surrender to Rhea (despite, you know, he and Supreme Leader's support or his earlier lines) and lo! This "maybe you could run away" was a lolcalisation exclusive line - should we be happy that the og game doesn't bring out (this time) the old'n'tried victim blaming "She forces me to kill her bcs she doesn't want to run away" ??

Maybe... or maybe not, since og!Clout instead double downs on the "if i'm killing you it's just because I want to see the world change lel" knowing well there's no option where she gets out of this place alive (rather, where Clout lets her get out of this place alive).

Back to redshit, we have people who wrote 50k words about the game, how deep and interesting it is and how it has ~meaningful themes~ only to discover that those themes and things they love about the game...

Were add-ons from the lolcalisation team.

The thing they love is not FE16, but lolcalised!FE16 - pointing it out will make some people rage because hey, they spent 800 hours talking about this game and the realisation that their discourse and walls of text are actually talking about the loLcalised copy pisses people.

Take it with a grain of salt, as a french loser who always switch to JP audio when available, but I have the feeling redshit and some fans really love "their game" and not "the game". Like, idk, maybe to the point of criticising Kikuko Inoue thinking she should act more like "Rhea" when she voices the character.

Is it entitlement because some people refuse to consider/interact with something that wasn't made "for" them?

Can you imagine, in this day and age, someone modifying/replacing ATLA's OST to make it more "palatable" to a french audience, and french people insisting that this "French OST" is a better fit for the scenes and conveys themes better than the original OST?

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Tl; Dr : Anyone can have their favored version of pizza crust.

But when you start to develop theories about Naples’s cuisine and the importance of the thick crust in this cuisine based on the pizzas you find in Pizza Hut, you shouldn’t feel offended when people remind you that, no, Neapolitan pizza is something specific and it doesn’t have a thick, Pizza Hut crust.

So the previous essay is... well, completely missing the point, because you’re not talking about the topic of your essay, but talking about a “copy” of the main subject of your essay.

#anon #replies #lolcalisation issues #pizza recipes are srs business #some recipes and foods are protected bcs they're unique #Roquefort is a cheese made in a special part of France #you can't call Roquefort a cheese made in another country that's not the same cheese #not to bring the same level of exclusivity to video games #because hey if you're not playing the JP version you wouldn't be playing the game so better start to learn #but JP version always overrides everything else when discussing about the canon #when it's available #let it be some super kind people who translate things when asked #or Jp audio #and while the localised version bring a 90% accurate 'understandable for the targeted audience' translation #for the remaining 10%? #that's why I really want to thank whoever compiled the script and audio for the FE Datamine website #really thank you so much

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Pat might not work on 3 Nopes (at least I heard so?) as a voice director, but his spirit is always with us!

So, I happened on a JP audio PT of SB’s chapter 4, and let me tell you...

:’)

If I had to get this game, I’d obviously play with the JP audio, and still feel out of the loop regarding certain things prevalent in the fandom - 

who am I kidding, here’s another round of TFW 4Kids erases stuff for the sake of it

First we start with Flayn’s line, as I pointed in another post 

But in the Jp Audio (10.14), Flayn answer to her “otou-” but catches herself and replies with the traditional “onii-sama”. Meaning, on the verge of defeat, Flayn was going to call Seteth her dad, but caught herself at the last minute.

Something that, obviously, doesn’t appear in the lolcalised script, because “...” doesn’t really convey the same meaning, nor how Flayn’s first reaction is not to pause and search for words, but to call to her Father.

Good right?

My ear might be playing a trick on me, but Inoue doesn’t mention Supreme Leader’s name during this line, like not at all.

And here, Inoue only mentions her name without her full title.

Why this was added, and why could it be important?

A long time ago, I had a discussion with a Friend about how Rhea saw Supreme Leader in CF - thinking she dishonors her ancestors and spits on the Hresvelg legacy Rhea helped Willy to build (let it biologically or just, she helped him become emperor because at that point she had faith in him).

It’s only late in the game (iirc, when Seteth’n’Flayn are not here anymore) that Rhea acknowledges Edel’s ties to the Hresvelg family.

So calling her, right now, and so soon a member of House Hresvelg is meh, but why not.

Now, the most objective reason why this is annoying, is because of NoA!Rhea and how the team perceived the character of Rhea.

Rhea is calm and composed, she “just is” and passes judgments on people she deem unworthy. Rhea is that figure of authority, just like Dumbledore, who has a certain presence and cannot say “trick or treat ~” with a sing song voice.

So why is Rhage calling Edelgard by her name, then full name? I wondered and then remembered something stupid, by giving Edel’s full name and making  a death threat, Rhage is “artificially” sentencing her to death.

Which would fit with Rhage’s general aura and the perception of her being a religious extremist who thinks she can pass down her judgment on people for being, idk, heretics or whatnot.

Yes, Jp!Rhea also makes death threat, but when Dimitri threatens to remove Supreme Leader’s head from her shoulder, he is only expressing his wish, not giving some “I have passed my judgment” crap.

Or, maybe NoA had Rhage say Supreme Leader’s full name to mark them as enemies, because let’s face it, their “rivarly” has always been pretty one sided, Rhea just doesn’t want to die, while Supreme Leader thinks she’s responsible for the world’s ills. So if Rhage notices Supreme Leader more and even acknowledges her by spelling out her full name, it builds some sort of connection between the two - marking them as enemies.

And not just, you know, Supeme Leader screaming at Rhea because she bought the Lizard Illumanity theory on Uncle’s FB group (or Wilhelm’s dead account who was taken over by Thales) and Rhea not understanding at all what she is talking about.

Tl; Dr : I wonder if there will be a datamine for this game, with the JP audio + I hope the person who made the video will make a PT of the subsequent chapters too without the localised dub.

#3 nopes #3 nopes spoilers #lolcalisation woes #I mean it's very light #because there isn't a lot of dialogye #but for anyone who wondered if the game is still odd regarding Supreme Leader and the Church factions #yes it appears to be the same mumbo-jumbo that the one we got in FE16 #Yay Pat made a lasting impression #Leigh is allowed to emote more compared to FE16 #but it doesn't bode well for the rest of the script #and if she will receive wonky directions to go with a wonky script when Inoue will just sing 'trick or treat' again #Who cares about lizards? #Not NoA that's for sure

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Honest answer: I think it's mainly Edelstans who claim "2 sides of the same coin" re Ladle and Dimitri, Rhea, Claude. This way, the stans can seemingly act like blame goes everywhere and everyone is equally at fault, not just Ladle. It feels like a coping mechanism to place blame elsewhere so Ladle alone is not at fault for legit everything in the war. Because if they're all "2 sides of a same coin," that would allocate blame better to show how they all have blame and have done equal bad shit.

I thought Earl Grey and "War criminals" was used to absolve Supreme Leader of any critics, but yes, the Coin was used by devoted fans, but also by people who tried to analyse the game (and aren't, afaik, devoted?).

The Coint was used to compare Supreme Leader and Rhea - or Seiros as some people who only played Tru Piss often call her, because they more or less start in the same situation, and if Willy's sekrit history and a very biased reading of all bread crumbs about the WoH is to be believed, they both "started a war" to "change the world".

But even in Tru Piss this reading fails (and one would have to play something else to know how Supreme Leader and Rhea apparently started on the same line) ; when her allies die, Inoue!Rhea grieves and cries, when her allies die, Supreme Leader... well, does Supreme Leader things.

Rhea starting the War of Heroes is, imo on par with "Rafiel started RD's War" so...

That coin never existed.

#anon #replies #fe16 #fandom woes #where is that coin? #I remember a lot of stupid takes now #maybe i should make a large post compiling them? #remember the unilateral execution? That was something to behold #all those teabags when KT was waiting with Nopes to prove to the world Supreme Leader did nuthin wrong

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"When Flayn and Seteth die JP Rhea sounds like she's about to break down into tears while ENG Rhea is pure rage. What's up with that?" Why is it a bad thing that Rhea would be enraged once Seteth and Flayn die? Isn't that normal, to feel anger too and not just sadness? Especially since Seteth and Flayn were killed but the Empire. Of course Rhea would be angry.

I'm not saying one reaction is better than the other or more "logical" lol

Note how I said "pure" rage, Inoue!Rhea is both grieving and angry, but the grief is more prevalent.

Inoue!Rhea is hurling death threats (or avici threats) but she's crying at the same time because Billy'n'Edel took, again, people from her, people she loved. Again, someone takes "everything she loved" and their loss isn't just here to showcase how Billy'n'Edel are BaD or evil, but it's deeply personal to Rhea, you feel it in your gut - Billy'n'Edel tore her apart/broke her by killing those two.

Pat's Rhea... Well. Maybe it's just me, but I cannot sense any glimpe of "sadness" or grief in her lines, or if it really exists, it's subdued by the rage mode.

Rhea's main reaction when her loved ones die isn't to be "angry" at the people who killed them, it's grief and sadness -

Nopes might be a trashfire, Nopes!Rhea is saddened when her bro kicks the bucket, she isn't in rage mode against the Empire (Supreme Leader?) for having killed him.

Now, if you only took into account the intro CG, Rhea seems pretty angry - without all that grief angle - when she stabs Nemesis as Seiros the Warrior.

Maybe I'm just HC'ing things out of my rear again, but Seiros the Warrior is a persona Rhea adopted after Zanado - if Rhea feels that broken after the death of her bro and niece, what would she feel after Zanado, aka the death of an entire village of "siblings", and her own mother being vivisected ??

And yet, even if we don't see Seiros the Warrior grieving on-screen, we still see Seiros the Warrior hug the remains of her gremlin Mother, because Warrior or not, Seiros misses her mother. Just after that demonstration of her being angry, we're shown a demonstration of her being "kind/loving" to a pile of bones, that is later revealed to be her mother.

Did Seiros the Warrior channel all of Rhea's grief in her newfound will and anger, to destroy Nemesis'n'Dudes and make a better Fodlan? We will never know.

Tl Dr : it's not that Rhea shouldn't feel anger, but Rhea is mainly a character described by her tremendous losses, she is a character who loves a lot (people, Fodlan, her fam) and who keeps on losing those things. Rhea grieves, mourns, cries and suffers. She isn't just a person who channels her suffering/feelings in rage and anger, no, Rhea cries too.

But to a certain lolcalisation team who didn't get the memo about Tru Piss's nature (or about Rhea not being Dumbledore), I'm sure Rhea crying and suffering on-screen because of Billy and Supreme Leader's actions would make some people feel bad, so she reverts to her "instable" and "hair trigger" rage mode.

#anon #replies #rhea stuff #FE16 #3 nopes #just for that screencap #i wonder what the JP script wrote and how Inoue acted it #I mean that line we're talking about is all on voice acting and not on the script #so the VA direction told Inoue to voice this as #someone who survived a genocide and the slaughter of her family who learns her bro and niece are dead #if both have rage and grief in their lines #Inoue has 85% grief and 15% rage while Leigh is the inverse #courtesy of Pat

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Voiced lines!

2.25 for rhea, as expected her voiced special attack lines are like night and day in the tone department depending on the VA

Inoue's "trick or treat!" Killed me

Meanwhile

Fig you, in FE16 Inoue as Rhea displays more than 3 tones/emotions if she sounds the same here it's because she's partying foolish redshiter

Seitz couldn't tell Leigh Rhea is a religious extremist with a rage mode when she's baking cookies and playing in the festival

Save when she attacks of, course

Ah yes, it's the exact same situation, Rhea can't be playing, she had the same tone when she's in a war fighting for her survival or when she's playing trick or treat

Basically, as that YouTuber said :

To each their own Rhea, I guess.

But unlike that guy, I don't like the difference bcs it means Pat sucks at direction and misled a majority of the fanbase into thinking the woman who uses a staff modeled after a biscuit is a religious extremist with a hair trigger temper who "just is".

#Lolcalisation woes #Lolcalisation issues #Fe heroes #Fe16 #Friends they tried to put Rhage in Halloween #Let that sink #Hopefully more and more people will notice the lolcalisation sucked

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Not to harp on your post against VAs, since you made it clear it's not an issue of voice actors, but I don't really see the difference between the japanese voice actor and the us one for rhea. For sure, they speak differently and have different tones, but isn't it just the difference in language?

I think @ezralahm made a post about the differences, when writing, of putting something in bold or italicised.

It's kind of the same feeling I get with Rhea's voice acting.

The script is more or less (less) the same, but the emphasis, tone, and emotions?

Rhea in JP likes pepperoni.

Rhea in the lolcalised version LIKES pepperoni.

See the difference?

It starts with a VA presumably being told "rhea doesn't emote rhea just is" and some over zealous interpretation of "church in JRPGS = bad" and you get the "worthless piece of garbage" lines.

The worst exemple is how she reacts when Flayn'n'Seteth die : Leigh!Rhea pulled some amazing voice acting before, when she receives the news from Catherine, but then she's making death threats, still shaken.

Inoue!Rhea? Is more shaken than "making death threats".

I'm glad you got it anon, I don't want to imply Cherami Leigh isn't a good VA or anything of the sort, really. I'm just sad she didn't get a correct voice direction.

Fun (sad) things :

In the lolcalised version, Catherine goes :

"The unit that invaded the monastery has been completely driven away...a bitter disappointment. I fear we can do nothing but retreat for now."

What is a disappointment? The fact they were driven away or the fact they were all killed? Like, are you really going to blame the dead ones for not managing to retake the monastery??

In the JP Version, she goes :

"大修道院近辺に潜入した部隊は、 すべて撃退されて……無念です. 今は、退くしか……。 ご命令を……"

Note the ellipses in the second part, that aren't present in the lolcalised version. By her tone, Catherine is hurt/shaken by the events too, something... lolcalised!Catherine isn't. Also, Google Translate (:'() has Catherine apologise after delivering the news, not going all "it's a bitter disappointment". I'm disappointed when my order doesn't arrive in time, i'm not disappointed when I announce our plan to retake you home failed and we lost many friends and soldiers alike, including your brother and my partner.

Still, to make things lighter, jp!Catherine calls Seteth and Flayn with honorifics.

It's Flayn-sama for you people.

#anon #replies #lolcalisation issues #FE16 #I'm pretty sure in CF everyone on Rhea's closest side is aware for Flayn'n'Seteth #Flayn-sama ffs #Catherine doesn't use honorifics when talking to Seteth in their supports #the lolcalising team didn't get the memo about CF not being a normal route for the series #seriously catherine? #i have never taken any japanese classes i'm only a weeb #but even i know that #無念 munen doesn't mean disappointment?

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OMG it's funny to see people try to find reasons to explain why Leigh Rhea is cheerful when she talks but goes in her rage mode when she attacks - dual audio all the way

If only this happened back in 2019, we're in 2021 (end) now, so Leigh!Rhea and Rhage are so common that it feels odd when Rhea giggles and jokes and is bubbly and has a sing-song voice - when she was always meant to be like this.

Get rid of the "Rhea doesn't try, she just is" Bullshit, Rhea tries to be calm and composed and detached...

But it fails!

I compared a lot of lines (not the script, but the voice acting!) and it's frightening, Rhea, Inoue!Rhea even when she poses as the Archbishop all proper and serious, she smiles when she talks, she worries (when Flayn is missing or when "another tragedy is soon to transpire" because Aelfie tries to perform human transmutation"), she is playful.

Of course she can also be angry, sad, upset and furious - but again, she is much more than the lady with a hair trigger temper.

In comparison? Not to shit on Leigh's acting, of course it’s the direction that sucks, but lolcalised!Rhea has three modes - infodump Rhea where she seems to be sad ; Rhage and her "worthless piece of garbage"; and dgaf!Rhea when the two other modes can't function.

There's a hidden "kind of relaxed but it's difficult" mode, in her Billy supports and, well, right here with the Halloween alt. Rhea can't be in her DGAF mode, she can't be Rhage (save for when she attacks! Because she uses violence!), she can't be infodump Rhea so it only leaves us with "Billy support Rhea".

Comparisons because Willy is a FE16 stapple on this blog, but Leigh!Rhea uses the "DGAF mode" when she laments having to fight Edel, who is Willy's scion.

Inoue!Rhea ? Is upset and saddened at the prospect of killing the scion of the "man who saved and supported" her.

And what pisses me the most is how Leigh, who has amazing range (she dubbed Mae ffs!) was stuck with Rhage and Pat who directed like he was writing his "10 reasons why the catholic church sucks made by a resident of the a certain State who isn't even aware of his own biases". Imagine a Leigh!Rhea who could be as bubbly and cheerful as Mae was, and speak as fast as she did - basically, imagine a Leigh!Rhea who was given Inoue!Rhea’s direction.

I said so in a post I replied yesterday to a friend, but Leigh!Rhea's attack quotes are way too grave for someone who is attacking with this face :

OTOH, it would fit for someone who is serious and determined when she fights, and has this face :

But Pat said evil church lady with a temper who “just is”, so NoA sticks to his guns.

#anon #replies #welp this became serious #i love this alt #first because of the unit and her lines #but also because it sheds some light on the dubious lolcalisation #lolcalisation issues #lolcalisation woes #FE16 #if the game is fully voiced then why not voice it in a language everyone understands? Breaking news : not everyone understand english #that's why games are translated in more than 3 languages #or it they want to keep the dub can't they at least make it faithful to the original intent? #Rhea isn't in her DGAF mode when she learns Aelfric will dwelve in forbidden alchemy she is ultra worried! #she can be in her rage mode as you see seiros's special art but Halloween!Rhea?? #How can she even scream out 'u worthless piece of garbage' when she is smiling and winking?? #the tone doesn't match the art #did Pat even see H!Rhea's artwork before giving directions to Leigh? Has she seen winking!Rhea and still went 'ok rhage mode'??

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Heroes characterisation analysis time again, with Seiros bcs i’m trash and I was wondering maybe Seiros’d reveal some stuff about the WoH

Inoue!Seiros wise, Seiros is genki!Rhea

I pointed out in a different post, but I’ll forever regret not being able to have a dual audio. Someone on redshit pointed out how Inoue feels too soft and feminine (?) for Seiros, but for me, it’s the contrary. Leigh!Seiros sounds so monotone.

@ultrakatua​ : you said something about directions given to the VA, and I’m pretty sure Inoue got a different one from Leigh, just by looking at the lvl 40 quote localised Seiros goes :

OG!Seiros?

Your kind are frail, ignorant creatures, incapable of accomplishing anything without the guidance of the goddess.

...Or so I had thought. But I have been forced to realize, meeting the Heroes here, that I was wrong.

You in particular stand apart as well... You are different from the rest. Special in some way.

My instincts are not often wrong...

If you continue to fight for this world, I will fight by your side, as a warrior. As an equal.

And I know the goddess will be watching over you as well. 

Through Google Translate (i know) the localised “my instincts are not often wrong” was originally “ Fufu ... My intuition is right, right?” OG!Seiros sounds more playful than localised!Seiros.

人の子など、 主のお導きなくしては何もできぬ、 脆弱で蒙昧な存在…

…と、思っていましたが、あなたや、 この世界に集った英雄たちを見るにつけ、 その考えが誤りであったと気づかされます。

とりわけ、あなたは他の誰とも異なる 特別な存在に思えてなりません。 ふふ…私の直感は当たるのですよ？

この世界で、あなたがこれからも 戦い続けるならば、私もあなたと対等な 一人の戦士として共に戦うつもりです。

天上におわす女神も、 きっとあなたのことを 見守っていてくださることでしょう…。 

Anyways, back to the dialogue, since I’ve already talked about this, let’s talk about this monstruosity of a Lv 40 Support - remember, in heroes or modern!FEs, if it has an avatar, it must be worshipped “you are so special” “i was lonely before you” *war flashbacks of the Loki-Aversa Forging bonds*.

Also, while FEH can be surprisingly astute with characterisation sometimes, some other times it just fail hard (remember Arvis and his “Hellfire” when Fjalar is seen as a symbol of justice and something to be proud of? Or whatever the fuck were Saias’s lines.)

Back on topic :

“Your kind are frail, ignorant creatures, incapable of accomplishing anything without the guidance of the goddess.”

Funny how I posted “recently” something about Macuil and Indech who have interesting staggering blow’s lines, deriding humans, thinking they’re children or “insignificant creatures”.

Post Zanado she might have shared her bros’s views on humans. And yet it feels odd, because we know Seiros built the canal in Enbarr and apparently accomplished “miracles” so randoms wanted to follow her. Was she sneering at humans while helping them because she thought she had to help them like Sothis did? Or did she help them because it was something she genuinely wanted to do? Or because she was planning to build her army of “frail and ignorant creatures”? Still, this is something she used to believe but she revised her opinion.

“...Or so I had thought. But I have been forced to realize, meeting the Heroes here, that I was wrong.“

Bleh - but point is, Seiros realised she was wrong, even in the canon FE16 gave us. Rhea is legit saddened to fight her loser’s descendant, whatever Willy was, even if he needed her help to create his Empire, he was not a “frail and ignorant creature, incapable of accomplishing anything without the guidance of the goddess” anymore. I won’t bank on every legacy golem being named after a human ally, but you’re not naming uh... guardians after creatures you don’t care at least a little about. if she was saved by a frail, ignorant creature unable to do anything without the goddess’s guidance, then what is she?

So if this is the canon FEH gives us “Seiros sneered at humans before meeting Summoner-chan and the heroes here” I’ll die by my own headcanon that Seiros used to think humans were nothing, then meeting the humans from Enbarr she started to grow fond of them and made that canal and then when she met Wilhelm and his pals (randoms creating her church ?) she grew fond of them as kind of equals.

ZZZ

“You in particular stand apart as well... You are different from the rest. Special in some way.

My instincts are not often wrong... “

There is nothing to extract from this bar “you’re so awesome summoner-chan!” Cruel nod though, now that I think of it : If Seiros trusted her instincts to side with Wilhelm I because dude was, apparently, a good guy, her instincts didn’t warn her 1000 years later Wilhelm’s descendant would turn against her.

If you continue to fight for this world, I will fight by your side, as a warrior. As an equal.

Seiros wishes to fight for the world with someone who fights for the world as well. I don’t know what she means by “fight for the world”, is she talking about someone who has ambitions or it’s the traditionnal “I will fight for the sake of this world” stuff? If they both want to fight for the world, to her, they’re equals.

Also, Seiros sees herself as a warrior. When she retakes this name in CF, it’s because she’s in her “warrior mode”, she’s not the leader of the church anymore.

“And I know the goddess will be watching over you as well.”

Seiros still believes her mom is watching over her :’( But her mom dgaf about anything save for her meatsuit. I was curious so I checked the og script (again, OG!Seiros was given an ellipse, but Localised!Seiros affirms stuff), OG!Seiros is much more reserved about Sothis watching over the summoner.

Status page quotes :

(again, it is jarring to compare just the tone of Inoue!Seiros and Leigh!Seiros, Inoue!Seiros talks much faster, even faster than Inoue!Rhea. Seiros is genki!Rhea confirmed)

Do not be afraid. You may speak openly with me. 

The first thing I thought of reading the “do not be afraid” is how the Bible’s angels often start with “do not be afraid” to the human they’re speaking to, but hey, they look freaky, not like Seiros who, right now, looks like a human with a failed hair dye.

What are you doing? Do you require my assistance? 

ZZZ

Do the teachings of the Church of Seiros hold interest for you? 

Seiros wonder if people are interested in her stuff. I don’t know from what time period this Seiros is, but if she’s from a post war of heroes, why is she asking if people are interested in her Church if it’s apparently the leading dogma in the continent?

If you humbly devote yourself to prayer, even you may receive the blessing of the goddess. 

Leigh!Seiros emphasises the “even you”. I know I’m just a lowly human dude, no need to hammer it! What kind of payer Willy the loser did to receive the blessing of the goddess, hm?

If something precious is stolen from you, you must do whatever it takes to recover it. 

Inoue!Seiros marks a definite change in tone here, she’s not playful or enthusiastic anymore, but pissed. Bar that, the “whatever it takes” part is... something Rhea doesn’t endorse anymore (except when Billy becomes Nemesis 2).

Mother... I wish I could see you again, just once more... 

In FE16 Rhea’s mom is just a gremlin chilling in Billy’s head, never giving a fuck about her even when she recovered her memories (bar the unseen scene where Rhea tells us she talked to her mom and immediately wonders if she should die). But maybe in the FeH verse Sothis can give some fucks about her children? Lol, who am I kidding.

I shall never abandon you. Even if it means staining my hands with blood… 

While this sounds like usual player worship, again it shows Seiros’s willing to do “whatever it takes” sometimes. She’s a bit of an extremist, but became wiser with time.

Tl; Dr :

1/ Seiros is Genki!Rhea

2/ Seiros used to think humans were useless, like her brothers (bar Cichol) until a certain point.

3/ As every young and impressionable person who survived the extermination of her village full of dragons to a man who used her mother’s spine as a sword and douches using other body parts of other silbings as weapons, Seiros is willing to do “whatever it takes” hinting at extremist tendencies, when Rhea, older and wiser, is apparently more willing to compromise, except when someone tries to destroy her home and take away her siblings using her mother’s spine as a weapon

4/ Inoue!Rhea/Seiros >>> Leigh!Rhea/Seiros

#Fe heroes #sometimes i'm happy about the no dual audio thing else i would be locked with jp!Bernie and i can imagine the nightmare #otoh this makes me really sad #like inoue!Seiros talks really fast 'do you want to talk to me please talk to me don't hesitate' #rhea stuff #FE16 #stop saying whatever it takes rhea you'll regret it afterwards #is it the wilhelm hour? #i know he isn't mentioned at all but for consistency i'll tag the dude #Seiros doesn't mention her bros it's sad but she used to think like them Cichol's the weird one #I suppose the 'willy saved me' part was erased to be more player worshippy so only player chan can make her realise humans can be cool #don't let her meet oliver or narcian or caellach or... #rhea stop trusting your instincts they're wrong cichol said #but no one listened to him and 1k years later Edel's here #I already got from the game the 'seiros is a warrior' impression #was seiros the warrior to willy the ruler? we all know how that ended #heroes and wonky characterisations