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Can you imagine what the reaction would be from Edelgard fans if Wilhelm was ever made playable in Heroes, and instead of being against Serios or not trusting her, he is actually just her BFF who talks about her more then Cyril.

He also goes like, "What secret history about Serios are you talking about? dont talk shut about my bestie.

Willy in FEH?

Lol

More seriously,

Lower your expectations anon, after the nothingburger that was Altina's Supreme Alt, FEH made it clear that the Brave Supreme Leader FB and Hegemongard's FB were outliers - we won't ever get anything like this anymore, students will uwu about academy days and the friends they made for 10 months, Hanneman, Gilbert and Alois are old thus will never be released, and the rest is flanderized.

Assuming Willy is ever released though, I can see his lines purposedly avoiding mentionning Nabateans and being milquetoast "we must defeat Nemesis and bring peace to the land" x10.

Maybe his jp lines - heavily Pat'd - would have something like "Adrestia will unify Fodlan and make it a land for everyone regardless of their race" (Pat'd swap "race" by "background" like what happened in Engage!) which would destroy the "sekrit smokescreen theory*" to smithereens, but hey, we still have to this day people arguing Supreme Leader "You are a dragon you should not rule over humans" isn't biased against pointy ears so...

Ultimately, I think most people wouldn't care.

*That was already debunked in Nopes!

Willy being alive after the WoH and Lycaon's icing can't tell... Lycaon's successor that Seiros and her ilk control humanity, given that Cethleann and Cichol left, Macuil left and he goes to meet Indech in a remote location in the mountains...

But I guess Supreme Leader's words have more weight than what the game presents, or what Rhea'n'Seteth - who personally knew the dude - reveal about him. Sure, she's biased and all, but at the end of the WoC, the only Nabatean left to "act" in Fodlan was Seiros the Warrior - her brothers fucked off.

#anon #replies #it's not even about headcanons anymore #after 5 years of discourse #if some people see Tru Piss as a route that doesn't advocate for the end of pointy ears' influence and existence in Fodlan #I guess whatever FEH throws they still won't budge #fandom woes #it's kind of sad in a way because fandom used to be a place where you could discuss and talk while being civil #agree to disagree and all #even if at some point if everyone argues in good faith then cool it doesn't mean someone loses or wins #fandom is just here to have fun #but at times with this specific fandom I just guess it's not worth the involvment #even if Willy reveals Lycaon is a half lizard and he slaughtered fellow humans to protect his nabatean fam #from being turned in shiny weapons #I guess we would still have people saying Supreme Leader didn't lie and Willy later passed down his secret history because Rhea didn't trus #him and whatever happens it will never challenge Supreme Leader's words #Fe heroes #heroes salt

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Shower thoughts,

On top of being the only one, bar player privilege, to know Seteth currently has a daughter and had a wife, the ones who rushed to her death to save Flayn, and one who immediately go to Rhea's side after she eats missiles and is on death's door-

Canon Manu also knows the song of nabateans (some verses Rhea isn't usually singing).

Add to that her book lusting after male nabateans, wouldn't that make her in a world where the uwu hammer rusted and disappeared, something as close to a family friend the nabateans, with all of their need for secrecy, have ?

Manu honorary lizard confirmed

#Manu hell alt #Lizard family time? #One of the perks using the jp audio I guess #Fe16 #Eff nopes it shafted her

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I think the example of the aqueduct in the Red Canyon alongside with how among Seiros's miracles was creating a canal through Enbarr that was vital to it's growth, couple that with how humanity flourished due to Sothis sharing technology with them, I think the game might be hinting that technology regressed under the rule of Nemesis and the Agarthans, the latter keeping their own tech away from those they deemed as base animals.

TBH I'm always a bit miffed by the "technology" talks, because while Agartha sure kept Sothis' more advanced tech and current Fodlan was supposed to be "age of discovery" developed, we still have magic, like, people can warp around...

Tech in general regressed post Sothis vs Agarthans war, but we don't know how advanced/far Enbarr was before the WoH - of course they didn't have elevators, but indeed, I suppose that, in general, after this war, Fodlan had to rebuild itself without Sothis giving tech bonuses anymore to accelerate the growth and development of humans - and here would come the sci-fi principle of "giving tech when people are mature enough" or something, so maybe the Nabateans wanted to let humans develop themselves first, and then would have helped later on?

I still find it fascinating that when Rhea was apparently "roaming around Fodlan clinging to her desire of revenge", instead of directing the Enbarrites to build thousands of mecha-golems, she... made a canal for them.

#fantasyinvader #i wouldn't say Nemesis made tech regress under his rule or Agarthans but #after the first Agarthan War Fodlan was nuked #and the people there had to build everything back from scratch #maybe Nabateans were worried about Agartha 2 popping up so they didn't share their advanced tech #whatever that is #Zanado happens and Rhea doesn't get the memo she shares her blood and everything #that everything being how to build a canal and a bridge #and forts apparently #I happened on a redshit post today about uwu almyra has more tech than fodlan uwu isolationism #sure Lorenz mentions they have cannons on their ships but #uh dude #you can embark orbs that can cast magic afar on your own ships how is that different from a canon? #Doro goes to school for 5 months and she learns to summon meteors #who the fuck needs canons when you can produce lightning from your hands?? #FE16 #3 Nopes

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in your half lizard au, if lycaon was really rhea's son, would she have agreed to let him fight?

Well, Rhea refuses to let Cyril fight in AG because his death would make her upset, and yet he still fights so maybe she allows the kids to fight under certain circumstances, unlike overprotective Cichol?

I have this scene where Lycaon, full of Hresvelg assholery, uses some argument like "you couldn't protect your mother and she died, but I will protect my mom" hitting so many guilt/trauma buttons at once (Rhea feeling like dirt because Sothis died, Rhea feeling like dirt for being Zanado's sole survivor) that she couldn't find anything to rebuke him.

Willy gets big mad and has him apologise at once to his mom, while Seiros the Warrior dissociates - it was Rhea who was a weakling and couldn't protect anyone, she's strong now, she is Seiros - a name taken after the Goddess herself! - a Warrior who is strong and she will protect her family.

Of course we all know how that ends when Lycaon dies :)

#anon #replies #fodlan nonsense #fodlan au #is it wolf (FE16)'s hour? #look at him being a Hresvelg asshole (tm) #he inherited grandma's sothis lack of manners and tact #the worst of both worlds #tfw Willy is the one who has to act as the responsible parent #Rhea stuff #maybe Cyril reminded her of Lycaon? At least he didn't die in battle #Without the assholery of course he's not a Hresvelg

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French Enbarr !

They will even organise some historical reconstitution next month, Enbarrites vs Barbarians in the arena!

(without big kitties to eat barbarians though)

#real life #ça va faire 3 fois que je me déplace à nîmes en moins de 30 jours pour le boulot #évidemment ça ne tombera pas pendant les fêtes romaines #mais bon #dans certaines villes on gueule Jeanne au secours #et ici il y a des artistes qui vont faire des reconstitutions et qui venderont des bibelots #Rome en septembre dernier Nîmes ce printemps et peut-être pompei en juin je fais mon tour de Romanité pour 5 ans lol

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Hello!

I'm sorry if this a silly question, but, do you mind sharing where you got those nice images of Zanado in one of your recent posts? If there are more for other locations, that would awesome and useful for writing stuff. ^^ I understand if not, though.

Thank you for answering, I hope that the rest of your day is pleasant!

No problems !

I downloaded them on the spriter ressource, you have a lot of content there, character portraits, the backgrounds, their chibi pixalated units on the map, etc etc !

However the backgrounds are not organised, they're just in five different folders so have to open everything to see what's Zanado from what is Enbarr etc etc.

Hope this helps !

#Dovehearts-blog #Replies #Thanks ! #Hope you have a nice day too ! #Fe16 #They even have the secret blonde rhea in her saint class sprite #And great lord Dimitri with his two eyes #Those sprites were unused in Crimson Flower !

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As I said to @fantasyinvader, the way I see the Elites is the final stage of what the BE, unless recruited away or in SS, are : people with good in them who chose to close their eyes at their liege's evils, becoming evil curs in the process. Between the SOTC being called by Maurice "the sword of the King" and even the secret diary calling Nemesis "king Nemesis" while the writer call Daphnel "my friend", which indicate this subservience to nemesis and comradery between the elites

IDK if you heard/watched a recent movie called The Zone of Interest?

It's more or less relevant here, because we follow the story of a man who really cares/loves his family and friends but... well, doesn't consider some other people as "humans" and is wondering how to kill them.

And I'd say that's the main crux of deshumanisation - some people can be real creams to their friends/loved ones/some few, and the worst living beings to others, because those "others" are deshumanised.

Is the protag from this movie a good person? Hell no!

And yet, even he had some "good" in him, regarding the people of his choice, and nothing but pure "evil" regarding some other people.

What I feel puts the BE peeps below (slightly or not depending on CF) the Elites is how they studied/lived/trained with Flayn and had no animosity against her.

But the second Supreme Leader tells them she needs to die because her ears are pointy, they embark in a quest to slaughter her kin, because something something "inhuman beasts masquerading as humans" and "a world for humanity".

We don't know if the Elites interacted with Nabateans before receiving their relics or whatnot, but the fact that the BE can possibly turn on their former comrade because of her ears is just... disappointing.

("but random, they can be spared in Tru Piss!" : only if Billy, and no one else, deals the "final blow" and what kind of sparing are we talking about, they will have to live hidden or separated from humans because their pointy ears mean they cannot have power over humans. Were they truly spared?)

Is there any reason the fe3h wikis are saying that the 10 elite didn't know about the origin of their powers and weapons? The only reference used is an abyss text from an elite's journal saying they didn't understand why Serios hated them so much, but none of them even knew Serios was Nabatean because she was hiding her ears and using blonde hairdye.

Is there another source that says otherwise or am I not connecting the dots here?

That statement always confused me tbh. Everything points more to the Ten Elites knowing exactly what happened and that they were complicit in it. According to the devs, humans wanted power so they killed a dragon and looted their corpse to kill the next strongest dragon. That was what gave rise to Fodlan's Ten Elites and Nemesis (who got his technology from the Agarthans).

I believe the jp version is more of a "What did Nemesis do to Seiros?" Seiros was a complete stranger to them. Nobody knew she was a Nabatean. They're like "why the fuck is she so pressed like the fuck did he even do to her?"

#maelor321 #maybe I'll make a separate post as to not cluster deathbirby's notes with the replies lol #sure this looks like a godwin point but I could make the same regarding former genociders living in France #Maurice loving his children and friends and thinking Cethleann is the name of his newest toothpick are not mutually exclusive #of course the Fodlan games would never talk about this #FE16 #FE16 stuff

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Rhea mentions Nemesis, but in the same beat, also mentions how she couldn't not forget the ones who wielded weapons made from her brethrens' bones proudly - so imo, this suggests the Elites had Relics before going to Zanado, repainted the walls with much glee/using "proudly" their weapons, and were witnessed by Rhea.

But then...Nemesis appeared, bringing tragedy along with him. Even now I cannot forget the sight...of that massive canyon, painted red with blood... I was never able to forgive those who proudly wielded weapons crafted from the corpses of my brethren. I was the only survivor of Zanado, and all I could do was wander across Fódlan clinging to my desperate desire for revenge.

And yet, as I said, there's no definite proof so it's a a headcanon.

But just like BEs who consider Nabateans monsters (or at least don't directly oppose Supreme Leader's "Flayn cannot have power over the people because of her nature as a Nabatean") if unrecruited (in CF, Linhardt explicitely doesn't want to bring her and Hubert to meet Indech, so imo, he hasn't fully bought the "Nabateans must die" mindset (yet?)) after having lived with Flayn and Seteth and Rhea for around one year (the White Clouds portion) - the Elites, if they were in Zanado, writing them off as "monsters" feels equally as tone deaf as the BE who saw Nabs, well, act pretty much in a sentient/non monstruous way.

I mean, in the ruins of Zanado, during that fight, we can see aquedcus, houses, walls, stairs, bridges etc etc. General buildings; would a monster build a house? A wall? A fence?

Much like the BE who deshumanise them after seeing Flayn play with flowers and eat a fish, the Elites, seeing all those buildings/structures just went with "let's farm materials!" effectively deshumanising them, despite the clear evidences out there that, well, Nabateans were not mindless monsters or monsters without sentience.

And the still dgaf and slaughtered them all to get shiny weapons or "medicine".

Is there any reason the fe3h wikis are saying that the 10 elite didn't know about the origin of their powers and weapons? The only reference used is an abyss text from an elite's journal saying they didn't understand why Serios hated them so much, but none of them even knew Serios was Nabatean because she was hiding her ears and using blonde hairdye.

Is there another source that says otherwise or am I not connecting the dots here?

That statement always confused me tbh. Everything points more to the Ten Elites knowing exactly what happened and that they were complicit in it. According to the devs, humans wanted power so they killed a dragon and looted their corpse to kill the next strongest dragon. That was what gave rise to Fodlan's Ten Elites and Nemesis (who got his technology from the Agarthans).

I believe the jp version is more of a "What did Nemesis do to Seiros?" Seiros was a complete stranger to them. Nobody knew she was a Nabatean. They're like "why the fuck is she so pressed like the fuck did he even do to her?"

#I wated so much to have WoH content or even content before this #but Nopes only gave us the Larva paralogue #Larva himself mentions how the Adrestians most likely don't know the truth #after calling Flayn an abomination lol #imo Rhea revealing at the last time to Nemesis who she really was meant she had to hide during all those years pretending to be a human #so woobifie'd or no the Nabs were afraid of Elites knowing what they looked like #and had to dye their hair #maelor321 #fodlan AU #fodlan hcs #war of heroes stuff

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Don't forget Marianne being worried about Edelgard's feelings in Azure Gleam as another prime example of Edelwanking; that's a strong contender for the top spot, given how it takes someone who's on the receiving end of an invasion and makes her uwu about whether the leader of said invasion is feeling okay, while giving no fucks about the danger said leader is putting herself and her allies through for the sake of a landgrab.

Hot take,

I was actually pretty milquetoast about Marianne during FE16, then the momo sobfest from FEH made me sigh, and her perf in Nopes, especially in Golden Shower "They see that magic as the goddess's protection? Their faith has blinded them!" and "People do horrible things when their faith becomes tainted with fear. We must stop them at once!" was just... ugh.

(Rhea's magic comes from Sothis you moron, as a Nabatean her powers come from Sothis herself! And yes, their faith has been tained by fear because you and your stupid general are assaulting them and they're making their last stand! no amounts of "i'm still not sure we're doing the right thing" can be used as a plaster to make up for those leaps in logic!).

The GD in general just became friends of Supreme Leader, and all this uwu about her, regardless of the thousand randoms (even from the Alliance and, hell, her own people!!!) dead/suffering is just icing on cake.

Just like Lys who wags her tail because Supreme Leader gave her some sweets, the GD peeps have no substance and are of no interest to me tbh.

The only ones who might get a pass are Ignatz - whose existence legits shits on "crestless people live trash lives and can't marry sad uwus" even if the games ignore his existence, and Leonie who is one of the fews in FE16 to hold Supreme Leader accountable for Jerry's death when Billy "if someone killed my father I would hate them" themselves has the "can't we uwu" or "must we kill her sad uwus" choice - Nopes demolished them but I grew fond of those randoms joes earlier than Nopes' release, and Ignatz has the Mona Rhea support to boast (pissing on Clout's "reasoning" btw!).

#Anon #replies #Mary Ann #her existence proves Supreme Leader and Clout's nonsensical plans are based on horse shit #but no she keeps quiet and only is used to wonder if Sothis' daughter is using the power granted by Sothis which is like #sure sure the writers fault from a doylist pov #but at this point I lost all patience for characters who from a doylist pov should make sense but watsonian wise don't #re the clout and Supreme Leader thing #crest gives ppl unfair advantages at life despite muhrit? Here Marianne is a perfect example of the contrary #Church bans trade? Marianne's dad became rich and a Lord of the Roundtable thanks to his money influence from trading with overseas places #but no instead we will have Mary Ann throw shade at people being afraid because they're attacked #FE16 #3 Nopes

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I've read the same JP translation (but i dont' remember who did it to give proper credit :() - the Elites are wondering why Seiros hates them so much -

But to them, Seiros was a human, I mean, I shit on her hair dye everyday, but if she needed to hide her hair'n'ears, it means being a Nabatean outside was dangerous because Nabateans were already racially profiled.

Given how Rhea only suspect the Agarthan's involvment later on, imo it gives more credence to the theory that the Elites were indeed here in Zanado, or at least, humans knew a being with green hair + green eyes + pointy ears was "not a human".

The games never straight out say if Nemesis repainted Zanado's walls alone or if the Elites were there - but earlier in this fandom's life, I discussed this point with a friend, @damoselcastel, and it would be sort of meaningless and negate the Faustian deal that are, basically, relics (power at a great price!) if the Elites themselves weren't aware how they were made and/or participated in their creation.

As for the devs...

Nopes has Seteth, out of anyone, mention how an Elite was cured from an incurable disease after ingesting Nabatean liver oil receiving a crest so at least some of the Elites had more reasons to participate in Zanado than a participating in a big farming event.

Even if, imo, it doesn't absolve them of anything - the Elite who was terminally ill might just have asked for a drop a blood from a Nabatean, if the Nabatean was like Macuil and told that Elite to fuck off it still doesn't justify killing that Nabatean - on what grounds do you take the life of someone who isn't a danger to you to save your life? - using that Nabatean' remains as a bone club and, idk, genocide his kin???

Imo this part of Nopes gives more characterisation to that unnamed Elite - from an understandable desire to, uh, not die from his disease and get some Nabatean blood, he ultimately killed that Nabatean and participated in the genocide of his kin...

Aka, in Nemesis' world, where "might makes right", it was totes alright to slaughter a bunch of randos in a village and racially profile the survivors if it meant getting shiny new weapons and/or medicine.

Oh, and to anon... we know why there were depicted as such, and it has a lot to do with Hresvelg Grey. Remember anon, the fundamental maxim of Fodlan discourse :

Rhea BaD.

Is there any reason the fe3h wikis are saying that the 10 elite didn't know about the origin of their powers and weapons? The only reference used is an abyss text from an elite's journal saying they didn't understand why Serios hated them so much, but none of them even knew Serios was Nabatean because she was hiding her ears and using blonde hairdye.

Is there another source that says otherwise or am I not connecting the dots here?

That statement always confused me tbh. Everything points more to the Ten Elites knowing exactly what happened and that they were complicit in it. According to the devs, humans wanted power so they killed a dragon and looted their corpse to kill the next strongest dragon. That was what gave rise to Fodlan's Ten Elites and Nemesis (who got his technology from the Agarthans).

I believe the jp version is more of a "What did Nemesis do to Seiros?" Seiros was a complete stranger to them. Nobody knew she was a Nabatean. They're like "why the fuck is she so pressed like the fuck did he even do to her?"

#deathbirby #3 nopes #Nemesis'n'his dudes #FE16 #'but he only wanted paracetamol uwu and the meanie pointy ears told him no T-T' #'so of course he had to eviscerate that pointy ears to get his paracetamol and make a shiny hammer out of his remains and slaughter his kin #Nabateans using hair dye is both hilarious and sad #hilarious because they suck at it #and sad because it means they were racially profiled #I've read some fics that depict Elites as something else than enjoyers of Nabatean liver oil #and the they don't know they were fed crusts'n'all #that aren't just Rhea BaD she slaughtered people who didnt' deserve it bcs she bad #but bar this one I'm thinking about #I didn't read the other ones talking about this because they either lend to close to genocide apologism #or 'yeah but youth error it has been 100 years can't you get over it already???' #:/ #war of heroes stuff #damn when i wanted more WoH I never meant more 'nemesis and his dudes were poor victims uwu' lol #where's the willy content

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Never underestimate the uwu factor and the fact shotacons are less numerous than lolicons, at least, in the targeted audience.

Let's not forgot the "uwu crusts bad", "my backstory has more holes than a colander" and "Supreme Leader's honorary little sister uwu who was also experimented upon by Daddy Ionius!"

There could have been something interesting to do with the fact that she's the natural traitor as she joins you in Tru Piss unless you kill her with a good dose of dark humour when Chilon waves at her post CF, but alas we got sweets instead.

Ionius sent wrecked Ordelia - aka some place that wasn't Adrestia!!! - and sent mages to experiment on them?

Who gives a flying fuck, has she told you she doesn't like vegetables and is a grown up?

Amazing how making Hayato female, making her constantly moan about her tragic past, and Dark Spikes memes is enough to make Lysithea be much more popular. And I guess Warp is a legit selling point in her favor. At least Hayato isn't fatally allergic to the idea of taking physical damage (especially on Revelation where dare I say it he's actually stronger than Leo).

Yep! When you look at her personality, Lysithea follows the trend Ricken and Hayato set closely:

"Don't treat me like a child"

"I am a superior after all"/ "I can take care of myself" (and Hayato and Lysithea both come across as arrogant even)

Behaves childish/is easily scared

Hayato dislikes vegetables and likes sweets, so does Lysithea

Heck, even her drive to help her family is directly taken from Ricken and Hayato. Ricken joined the Shepards to financially support his parents and Hayato tries hard to live up to his position within the Wind Tribe (which is led by his adoptive father)

And what's funny is that Ricken and Hayato are very disliked by the fandom. I don't recall a single good thing I have heard about any of these two. People usually call them bratty, annoying and obnoxious.

Meanwhile Lysithea is a fan favorite because she has a sad backstory, dies young, really needs you, she is a strong unit (although that didn't help other characters' reputation tbh, see poor Camilla) and of course she is a cute girl.

Honestly when I first saw how popular she is, I was very confused lol.

#crushednugget #character salt #I think part of Lys' favoritism by fandom is her utility as an unit #she's a nuke who can nuke without retaliation thanks to Thyrsus #add to that the uwu fest #but yeah it was weird how she was liked so much since the beginning i mean she made it to the brave banner! #is it only her utility as an unit? granted back in the days some people like Arthur bcs he was Forseti on a pony #so i guess it's an instance where gameplay adds more likeability to a character? #her supports with Hubert and her Nopes paralogue was so... ugh #we could have explore more of that sweet 10k years #but no! Sweets it is

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That's why Alois will never be released !

How can he exist to gush about his family life and beloved wife when "but no one wants to marry crestless people in Fodlan :'("?

Or maybe he and Gilbert will be added only if IS releases them with lines indicating they are clearly divorced, because their wives dumped them when they realised they had no crest !

Tfw Anselma dumped Ionius for a barbarian even if Ionius had a crest :(

I really "love" how Azura's FB was hijacked by Dorothea and her issues so that we can talk about her world's plastic writing where somehow the concept of "orphan" only exists because of magic dragon blood (which is downright contradicted by other Fodlan characters' existence, but of course we never confront her with this contradiction) and then uwu all over Dorothea's tragic backstory. Would have been nice if Azura was allowed to talk about the tragedies she had to endure like Valla's destruction, the abuse she suffered in Nohr, the xenophobia she faced in Hoshido or the tragic end that awaits her if she sings the cursed plot song too hard. But I guess she should be happy that she can sing for a loved one.

Poor Azura. Reduced to Corrin's side piece and used for more Fodlan uwu nonsense.

#Ezralahm #Fodlan nonsense #Fe16 #Honestly this game #The continuity has to twist itself like a pretzel to make its characters #Not look like complete asses or unlikable twats #And I mean both the general fe continuity and Fodlan's itself !

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My fwend,

Azura has to be reminded by a crestless commoner like Doro what life is, for the common.

She especially needs that privilege check up, because Azura is nobility, and crested nobility at that (Fates royals have lizard blood that grants them power).

She witnessed her kingdom falling to ruins and its destruction ? The death of her parents ? Crippling anxiety and assumed abuse at the hands of her various step moms in Nohr ? Had her existence used as a bargaining chip by the kingdom now ruled by her Aunt ?

Who cares.

She is a noble and has a crest.

Nobles BaD.

Crest BaD.

I really "love" how Azura's FB was hijacked by Dorothea and her issues so that we can talk about her world's plastic writing where somehow the concept of "orphan" only exists because of magic dragon blood (which is downright contradicted by other Fodlan characters' existence, but of course we never confront her with this contradiction) and then uwu all over Dorothea's tragic backstory. Would have been nice if Azura was allowed to talk about the tragedies she had to endure like Valla's destruction, the abuse she suffered in Nohr, the xenophobia she faced in Hoshido or the tragic end that awaits her if she sings the cursed plot song too hard. But I guess she should be happy that she can sing for a loved one.

Poor Azura. Reduced to Corrin's side piece and used for more Fodlan uwu nonsense.

#Fe heroes #Heroes salt #Crushednugget #Sure Azura got to sing the jpop main song of her game #But she's still a noble #What can she know about being orphaned and alone surrounded by people who #Either ignore her or wish her dead right ? #She BaD bcs she noble

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According to an interview with Famitsu (Japanese video game magazine), Engage director Tsutomu Tei mentioned the reason why Engage was designed the way it was, was because according to his words "Many of the staff were taken aback by the level of discourse over Three Houses. This is why I made sure Engage only had one story route. It was to prevent this from happening again.” So either IS was aware of the discourse that erupted in the western fandom or the Japanese fandom had its own discourse over 3H. Either way, very interesting and Ig we're not going to see multi route stories in FE for awhile?

Hew lads.

I have heard / seen that there was indeed Discourse in JP circles, albeit slightly different than Western fan spaces. (iirc - far less fixation on "Catholics bad, destroying religion good" while still a lot of "Edgey was right / maybe slaughter and violent imperialism is good actually?") so that may track.

Judging by the very big Nintendo Dream interview, Kusakihara and company were very invested in creating fan-centric conflicts... although it also seems like they were expecting a lot of "Your story ended up different than mine? What? My route is more golden than yours!!" and maaaayyybe not so much "yay violence! yay slaughtering all who oppose us!!!" style? Hard to know.

It'll be interesting because in a lot of ways, even aside from Opinions (TM), I really do think 3H is going to be FE's new black sheep... specifically because it leans so heavily into non-standard FE things like magical adventurous academy hijinks, the emphasis on social sims to build points, 10K years of "lore" buried around for no one to ever find, having to play the exact same half of the game four times in a row to catch everything, etc. It's kind of telling that so many 3H hardcores either don't engage (hah) with the broader series, or find it disappointing compared to Houses. Different audience who may or may not stick around for further titles because of how core Fire Emblem concepts are re-used and were... not so integral to 3H's overall style.

(heck - just thinking today how much I enjoy how FE games tend to have the army hopping all over the continent seeing new things and meeting new people and traversing around. A thing that is definitely ignored in 3H in favor of having a home base outside of the occasional field trip.)

eta: Also - I'm focusing primarily on "this is why 3H deviates from FE-series norms" but... if anyone could corroborate the interview, that'd be neat.

#Wow #If this is true then wow #Remember the did you understand the game survey ? #Granted with all of the pandering to Hresvelg Grey being sold #I wonder if they were really surprised at the results I mean #Of course there'd be people uwuing about Supreme Leader #But maybe they wanted more sad uwus about her fate rather than #Imperialism fuck yeah ? #Fe16 #Fe series

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what do you think would realistically edelgerd's fate post AG?

We know Doylist wise she was Supreme Puppet'd to have her, somehow, survive (when we know how she reacts to military defeat in AM!) and removing all of her agency - Supreme Puppet was Puppet'd, so she cannot be hold accountable for what she did as Lobotogard, or with her regressed state, cannot be accountable the things she did with her mind intact.

I've already ranted about this special plot device to make sure the waifu escapes the axe and its sexist undertones, but damn if thinking about it to this day pisses me to no ends.

Faced with Regressed!Leader, Dimitri dgaf and moves on (or rather, away from her, reminiscing of AM - he has other things to do than to linger on his relationship with Supreme Leader).

I'd say -

Dimtri dgaf and leaves her to her own devices (which would be a nod to the "parley"? Now that Supreme Leader became one of the "weaks" what is she going to do? Bootstraps or rely on a support system she so much decried?) and move to Enbarr to put an end to the War.

But thinking in more serious terms?

His bannermen, friends and people wouldn't settle for anything else than Supreme Leader's death (maybe not on the gates on Enbarr?). She's the one who started this war and had so many people killed in her imperialist bid, so the only way Supreme Leader escapes death is with the Church.

Now, Supreme Puppet'd by Thales and maybe acknowledging Supreme Leader's second crust, Rhea might be more partial to her - she had been used as a plaything by Agarthans (hopefully she developped her racist tendencies after the experiments?) - and could see her as a victim.

On the other hand, she did start this war, and had more agency than expected given how she petitionned the CoS to war against the Agarthans who infiltrated her Empire - and yet, she still launched her attack on the monastery of her own free will.

Rhea is a compassionate person (Yuri still exists even after killing her knights!) so I think, with all things considered - Supreme Leader's status as a victim of Agarthans, Supreme Puppet and Lobotogard, but also, the war she declared and planned, sacking Garreg Mach, attacking the CoS both spiritually (the Southern Church thing was meant to be a direct "contradiction?" to what she preaches?) and martially, and MAGA > Peace - I'd say Rhea'd agree on not killing Supreme Leader, but at the only condition that she remains with the CoS, in something like her sentence will be to rebuild what she destroyed and mend the wounds she caused so that she might have a different outlook on Fodlan and its people (aka, not going all "i don't mind sacrificing them to reach my goals") when she will remember what she did/who she was, and/or will not become the same "tyrant" she was when she will "grow up" (mentally speaking?).

But that's at the only condition that she never gets to rule anything ever again or hold any kind of political power returning to Adrestia/Enbarr - if those conditions aren't met, she will be executed.

(and maybe to appease the people she's now supposed to work with, Rhea will lend her some old bottle of hairdye, maybe people will not see her as the former emperor who bled the continent for her whims, but as someone who is living a new life)

Rhea might thus "request custody" of Supreme Puppet and while the Kingdom might want her dead, the Church, as the main victim of the war, can have the last say (besides Dimitri might be relieved that Supreme Leader will not be executed), however, the Church asks to everyone present to tell their people that the "Supreme Leader who declared this war of unification died and is no more", maybe taking her crown and Aymr away, as proof she's "dead".

It sounds a bit too merciful coming from Rhea, when we see her in Tru Piss and with her history as Seiros the Warrior - but post!AG!Rhea imo is in a different mood, first of all, with Thales gone there are no people who will target Nabateans because of their race (so no genocide PTSD anymore?) and/or try to make new relics, and unlike the events of FE16, Rhea spent the last few years living with humans who demonstrated they could be trustworthy and actually helped her when she was in need (tfw Rhea doesn't know about Dimitro).

I can see her having more faith in humans and a future in Fodlan for everyone post!AG, as Dimitri and the Kingdom people seem to be trustworthy, than in FE16 when all of the events we play through in WC are basically triggering her genocide trauma (people hunting bones and crest stones, killing Jerry, turning her beloved wards in demonic beasts, some people targeting her for no plausible reason (unless the Western Church knew she had pointy ears?), Hresvelg becoming the new Nemesis, etc...)

That being said...

If Clout tries, during the epilogue, to take a shot at Rhea - when people are celebrating the end of the war - I cannot see things not turning sour for him.

Granted, if you want realism, Clout and GW cannot function because they expect the people involved to be completely stupid, but for this AU's sake, let's say Clout and Dimitro had their heart to heart in Zahrofl, he holds her at Failnaught range and demands her death/resignation/removal of her church.

If he shots and kills her (because Rhea would have dropped her guard, thinking she is surrounded by allies!), I cannot see anyone/anything preventing Claude from being dismembered/slaughtered in the seconds after Rhea's death - not even Dimitro because, hey, Clout said he will accept the consequences of his actions to "change" Fodlan, right? - by Church forces, Kingdom forces and, if we want to push the realism card, even Alliance forces (why the fuck did he do that? Maybe it's a weird doppelganger like those dark mages use! Or Erwin will behead him himself - sure this guy did that, but he doesn't represent the Alliance!).

In the chaos and confusion following Rhea's death, Supreme Leader is executed ("if she never started her war, nothing like this would have ever happened") and Fodlan is fucked when Sothis eventually pops up.

If Clout only holds Rhea at "Failnaught range" and she wonders wtf and asks him to explain - while the entire host of people from, again, the Kingdom, the CoS and KoS, the former BL and maybe some peeps from the GD and Leicester are there - Clout gives his bonker

"Who steals your freedom and gives you an endless list of duties and obligations simply because you have a Crest? Who forces you and your friends into a bunch of unwanted marriages and positions of power? The church even forbids any official contact with outside regions! Not exactly great for Faerghus, right? Being as close to Sreng and Albinea as you are."

reasons, Rhea's first reaction might be to crush him (because now she's on guard!) but if Dimitro says this is not a matter partaining to Faerghus and would rather stay aside (which would throw a wrench in Rhea's previous belief that humanity can be trusted again!) the CoS/Kos, Kingdom and Alliance people might just call crap and bullshit and debunk his baseless accusations (rekindling Rhea's faith in people and Fodlan?) from Annette telling him that they already trade with Albinea, Duscur generals and even Dedue telling him they witnessed the Church helping them regardless of their place of birth, Ingrid saying that her marriage to Glenn had not be organised or planned by the Church, but out of the affection they both had for each other and Ashe telling him those obligations and duties he seems to resent don't exist because he has a crest, but out of a genuine desire to help people.

Maybe we can add Judith wondering wtf is going on with Clout-boy, has he forgotten people get responsabilities and duties because they want them or because Nobility exists well beyond Fodlan's borders? "And I thought you had more common sense than this!"

A Goneril bannerman/loldier might add that the Archbishop asked them to treat Almyran as something else than nuisances and parasites when she came to visit and left with an Almyran kid in tow, but hey - they always attack them for no reason and create strife in Goneril for no reason, haven't they attacked just before the Academy closed?

Basically everyone debunking his claims, Clout realising that said claims were sprouted from his ass so he gets some tissue and wipes it clean.

Clout then relents (tfw no allies to support him) and the Alliance's roundtable finally vote to elect a branch member of the Riegan fam as head of the House - Clout leaves Failnaught and departs "somewhere far away".

(maybe he returns as Almyra's King later on, or as a crown prince, with a treaty/offer of peace, wishing for prosperity between the two lands).

-> all jokes aside and in a more serious setting, even with Dimitro not outwardly condemning him, Clout's course of action would be frowned upon by every party - Alliance included - and depending on his involvment, Dimitro himself might be challenged by his vassals/friends "Sure it's not about Faerghus' safety, but are we really going to let this guy target and ice and bring more chaos by eliminating our ally - who repaid our hospitality with kindness and supported our war efforts - when the Alliance refused to assist us when the Empire swore to Make Adrestia Great Again and warred against us?"

Granted, in this more serious setting, Dimitro doesn't exist because the plot doesn't bend backwards to accomodate Clout so...

Even if Clout doesn't try to ice Rhea asap and waits maybe 8 months after GM's recovery and the end of the war, I cannot see the Lords of the Alliance - when they can try to do "business as usual" with the former Adrestia lands - endorse a military campaing against the Church to, uh, decalcify Fodlan's current order to put YOLO in place. Clout suggesting this is basically handing to Erwin/anyone reason enough to depose him from his seat as Riegan's representative (the alliance has more to win with rebuilding Adrestia/Fodlan than to wage a pointless war that will alienate everyone and leave their backs open to an Almyran attack), and he either runs away to Almyra or dies in a pointless attempt to start a civil war/rebellion to garner troops to target the Church.

For sure this looks like an ideal "and everything ends good AU!" but in a more serious setting, where people have common sense and don't suddenly hold idiot plot balls to make sure Clout seems to have a point... his POV doesn't hold under scrutiny and no one can normally follow him, unless they have another agenda (Make Leicester Great Again?)

#anon #replies #3 nopes #tbh if you want a serious setting in Nopes #erase GW from the plot #while I can see an alliance with Adrestia I can't see the Federation existing without serious civil unrest in Leicester #we bow to no king and no emperor cannot be overthrown in one night by Clout who listened to Barney #in b4 Supreme Leader when she recovers her memories still want to throw a continental war to unify the world #it will depend on how far in MAGA + lizards bad Supreme Leader was before the experiments #Rhea's anger at Supreme Leader is qualmed in this AG AU bcs she realises Supreme Leader was puppet'd by Agarthans #and yet actions have consequences #let her heal and help the ones she maimed #what happens in Adrestia though? I guess it's under Faerghus' jurisdiction #and it either becomes a hell hole or is a temporary hell hole until some random becomes Emperor or tris to make a government #maybe a republic? Even if we know how they end in the FE verse... #sorry anon i disgressed on clout when you asked about supreme puppet but #they go hand in hand in this game #and i happened on a fanfic i'm not fond of so here goes

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