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ipso-faculty · 4 months
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Is saying "intersex and/or mesosex" the same way of saying "trans and/or nonbinary"? Sorry I'm trying to (un)learn, I don't want to be seen as insensitive
No, mesosex should be thought of as a subset of intersex. I'd just say intersex. 👍️
I'm gonna give you a wall of text of context so upfront a TLDR: 😅
TLDR: positioning mesosex as in between perisex and intersex is like positioning bisexual as in between queer and not-queer. Intersex people are organizing for inclusive views of intersex and trying to create a middle ground between intersex & perisex plays into conservative efforts to divide and conquer us. 🧑‍🏫
So a big difference between being intersex and being trans/nonbinary comes from the role of medicine being far, far more powerful in its control and oppression of intersex people. In a lot of ways intersex is more like disability than like other queer identities. So much of intersex identity is gatekept by doctors. Intersex people are often told they're intersex by a doctor in a context of telling them they are disordered and broken. Fostering community amongst intersex people is hard because so many of us have been conditioned by doctors to think of themselves as rare freaks.
Right now we in the intersex community are fighting a kind of desperate battle for people to understand that it is intersex people who decide who is and isn't intersex, as opposed to it being up to doctors. And the intersex community consistently says that people with PCOS, Poland Syndrome, or even no diagnosis, who feel that their experiences line up with being intersex are intersex.
Meanwhile TERFs and other conservatives are pushing real hard to keep the definition of intersex as narrow as possible. They don't want intersex people to be common or for us to find community. They're invested in a narrative that intersex people are rare, and are disorderd men/women.
Right now, the track record of treating mesosex as not intersex has unfortunately been that it reinforces those conservative narratives. It's gotten used to imply that people with PCOS aren't really intersex, that they are mesosex instead. Same for undiagnosed intersex people. 😭
Even though this is not what I intended for the term, seeing what's happened with it in the wild it's been honestly scary and upsetting seeing this term get weaponized against an inclusive view of what intersex means. (And more experienced intersex folks raised concern about this well in advance 😨.)
Intersex being an umbrella category I think there is value in having microlabels within the umbrella category, which is why I updated my definition of mesosex rather than abandon the term altogether.
But yeah I would definitely steer far away from treating mesosex as though it's in between intersex and perisex - it's really not at all analogous to being nonbinary. I'd say a better analogy is that treating mesosex as if it is between intersex and perisex is like treating bisexual as being in between queer and non-queer.
The stakes are political inclusion and organizing - politically speaking, any effort to create a group between queer and non-queer generally serves to weaken the collective organizing of queer people. Same deal with intersex. Hope that clarifies things. 💜
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rasairui · 5 days
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Hi intersex mutuals and followers I have a question: does anyone have any sources on like. Intersex symbols/culture/terminology etc? I want to continue the pride charms I've been doing in ceramics, and I want to do something for intersex, but the only imagery I really know of is the intersex flag and I'm not sure how clear a plain circle charm would be. Depending on the glazes available, I might be able to do a circle charm with mottled purple/yellow coloring, but I'm not sure if those colors would turn out well together bc they might blend weird. Basically I want to make something distinctively and noticeably in reference to intersex people but I'm not sure about how sorryyy
But yeah if there are sources, awesome. If you want to tell me something you'd like to see specifically, that's awesome too 👍
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jewfrogs · 1 year
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begging everyone who wants to talk about jewish gender(s) to read trans talmud by max strassfeld and no posting until youre done
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stormysapphic · 1 year
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the great lala coolah, or "the man-venus” was one of the biggest stars of milwaukee’s dime museum boom in the late 1890s. they were first billed in march 1897 at the columbia theater, where the advertisement read “behold the most wondrous of all monstrosities - the power form of a man combined with the delicate beauty of a woman. is it he, she or it?”. lala coolah became a national sensation, toured the united states for three decades as a part of various acts, and eventually opened a dime museum of their own. offstage, lala coolah’s name was frank fuller. fuller was born in 1870. he had reportedly been assigned female at birth and was then discovered to have male genitalia sometime between the ages of 10 and 12. according to one booklet sold at lala coolah’s shows in 1916, “a delicate operation was performed, and the male sex discovered, and from that time on the masculine portion rapidly developed, until ‘lala’ became a man on one side of the body; the lack of nourishment, however, retarded the growth of the female side.” in other words, fuller was likely intersex. fuller was married to a man when still living as a woman, but divorced shortly before beginning to live as a man. fuller died on july 8th, 1931. he was credited, at the time, as the originator of the “he-she carnival act”. sources: a history of milwaukee drag: seven generations of glamour by michail takach and b.j. daniels (the history press, 2022), image 1, image 2, image 3
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intersexreuploads · 1 year
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Intersex-Exclusive Terminology Masterlist
This is heavily inspired by the masterlist by intersexfairy; however, it has not been updated in a while and has quite a few broken links as well as possibly questionable sources - I have nothing against him (he/ze/they) at all!
Part 1 of 2 posts. Next post will be about gender identities of intersex individuals, because neither do all exhibit difficulties regarding gender nor do all identify as LGBT due to their conditions and prefer to be excluded. As a result, please do not tag with LGBT or MOGAI as this post is not inherently tied to these two communities. Thank you <3
General Terminology:
Intersex (adj.) / Intersexness/Intersexuality (n.) / IS (abbr.) - Intersex is an umbrella term for differences in sex traits or reproductive anatomy. [source] It is common knowledge that the term "intersex" stems from them being "between" the sex binaries - female and male. Differences in Sex Development (n.) / DSD (abbr.) - A common medical term for intersex traits. Intersex people frown upon the usage of "Disorder" rather than "Differences" because it supports the hypothesis that we are to be "fixed" or "cured." [source] Variations in Sex Characteristics (n.) / VSC (abbr.) - See DSD. Variations is used as a term to label the cause of someone's intersex condition. They are listed as variants of the human condition, rather than being inherently disordered. [list of variations] [source] Intersex, Sex, and/or Gender Diverse (n. / adj.) - A term that is widely frowned upon by the intersex community due to not only its redundancy, but also how it feels like an attempt at erasure of the word "intersex" in itself. [source]
Dyadic (adj.) / Dyad (n.) - An umbrella term for people whose sex characteristics fit within the normative sex binaries - female and male. There is no direct source of where this term was first used. It is the most commonly used term, but is frowned upon by some communities due to suggesting the strictness of the sex binaries. Perisex (adj.) - See Dyadic. Coined by tumblr user actuallyintersex (dating prior to November 2014) due to the possible implifications that the usage of "dyadic" can have in terms of sex binaries. The original post has since been deleted, and the blog can be searched regarding the controversy of this term. [source] "Peri" is used rather than dyad because it means "around," as dyads may not fit directly within the normative sex binaries. It should also be noted that "peri" within medical terminology is used as the "outer layer," of things, such as the pericardium. Endosex (adj.) - See Dyadic. [source] *It should be noted that none of these three terms are more accepted/acceptable than the other, and all are used.
[TW - Intersexism] Intersexism / Interphobia (n.) - The discrimination or prejudice faced by intersex individuals. Intersexism is more commonly used. Dyadism (n.) - The concept that being dyadic is the norm of society, and inherently implies that being intersex is unnatural and intersex people are need of being "cured."
Medical Terminology:
[TW - Intersexism] Intersex Genital Mutilation (n.) / IGM (abbr.) - Non-lifesaving procedures used to alter natural variations in genital appearance. It is connected with the concept of dyadism and trying to make intersex people appear more "normal." [source] Forced/Coerced Hormone Replacement Therapy (n.) / F/CHRT (abbr.) - Due to lack of terminology, this is separate from "just" HRT due to the fact that intersex children do not consent to receiving this, and may not be life-saving. Often seen frequently alongside IGM, especially as a response to the removal of gonads that produce required hormones. [source] [source]
[TW - Intersexism] Sex Assignment (n.) - The process of legally assigning a child "Male" or "Female" at birth. Some people may be recognized intersex at birth, but will likely be given one of the sex binary for legal purposes. [source] In some places, it is noted that markers other than these may be followed. "X" may also be used as a gender marker, but is not typically used for the legal sex. [source] Assigned Sex At Birth (n.) / ASAB (abbr.) - May also be called Assigned Gender At Birth / AGAB. See Sex Assignment. Coercively Assigned Sex at Birth (n.) / CASAB (abbr.) - A non-exclusive term referring to ASAB. Typically used by transgender individuals, but it is also common within the intersex community. See Sex Assignment and ASAB. Forcibly Assigned Sex at Birth (n.) / FASAB (abbr.) - An intersex-exclusive term referring to CASAB. See Sex Assignment and CASAB. *It should be noted that sometimes people put "I" or "IS" as a prefix in ASAB abbreviations to indicate that they are intersex; i.e., ICAMAB. *It should be noted that some people use "X" (see Sex Assignment), "I" (meaning intersex), or "Unassigned At Birth"/"UAB" when speaking on assignment. I cannot find credible sources for these statements being used legitimately, but that does not exclude their validity as a self-identifier.
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eldorr · 1 year
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An umbrella term for any sex that is Evenic and/or Cusper in an altersex sense.
Intaldean in itself is simply any (or it’s own) sex that’s is either between male and female, both male and female, is a sex that feels cusper/evenic in a altersex (typically defined as any sex that shares both male and female sex characteristics) way.
Simply, it’s an umbrella term for any sex that feels like it’s “between” male and female possibly being intersex/altersex, and/or a sex that feels cusper/evenic between transsex and cissex. An umbrella term for any evenic/cusper intersex, altersex and/or aldernic sex.
Someone who’s Intaldean may transition socially/physically to accommodate for their sex, may ID with Intersex/Altersex/Aldernic, or ID with cissex, altersex, and/or transsex.
(NOTE: “Intersex” being used here is to note simply that Intaldean is inclusive of any types of Intersex physicality, where an individual who’s intersex may ID as cissex, altersex, and/or transsex. Intersex should only be used by those born with or naturally developed both 'male' and 'female' sex characteristics, while Altersex can be used by anyone who desires or views their sex as a mix between 'male' and 'female'.
Altersex and Aldernic are also both used in the definitions due to similarity in definitions, Altersex basically being usually defined as any sex with both male and female sex characteristics, while Aldernic is any sort of internal/physical bodily component, that can include a altersex-like body.)
This term was originally posted April 24th, 2022.
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themogaidragon · 10 months
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I'm having a problem with an OC and their gender
I don't know if they count as intersex or not.
You see, the OC was developed with NO REPRODUCTIVE organs and abilities, so they can't bear children, nor be able to get one the "natural way", but they have other female chromosomes and indicators they are female, just with no reproduction systems and organs.
Would that be under the Intersex umbrella?
Would that be a null gender?
I can't figure it out, so, if you could, could you maybe list some things or identities that it could be? Or, at the very least, could you answer my question to if that could be counted as Intersex or not?
Thank you in advance, whether you answer or not :3
Hi! Yes, your OC is intersex! But gender identity and sex characteristics aren't the same. So an intersex person might identify has any gender identity! If a person as no/less sexual characteristics, that doesn't make them inerently genderless/gender neutral. :) /not mad
But I think sexless might fit for your OC:
Sexless is an umbrella term for anyone who lacks one or more sexed characteristics or qualities and/or has an absent or null sex body or identity. This can include lacking any aspects of sex including genitals, gonads, hormones, or chromosomes. The term includes intersex people who were born sexless as well as people who became sexless later in life (desired/planned or not) and people who desire to be sexless. Examples of people who may identify as sexless include:
People born without genitals (agenital), and people who have had their genitals removed or people who desire to not have genitals (angenital).
People born without gonads or functioning gonads (gonadal agenesis), and people who have had their gonads removed or people who desire to not have gonads (angonadal).
People with Turner syndrome (X0 intersex).
People who are hypohormonal or have hypogonadism.
People who are indifferent about their sex (apagenital).
Headmates whose sex cannot be described as male, female, or intersex in the innerworld (aivotsex or neisex).
Sexlessness does not correspond to any particular gender, and does not require any corresponding feeling of genderlessness. Agender people are not necessarily sexless and sexless people are not necessarily agender.
This term may or may not overlap with teresex.
I hope this helps!^^ /genuine
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variousqueerthings · 1 year
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today am stuck on the fact that yes, shakespeare put a whole bunch of crossdressing in his plays, on top of the crossdressing that simply existed in any play of the time that included women, because women weren’t allowed to act (here pour one out for the movie “shakespeare in love” which could’ve gone one further on this and played with 5d gender, but is instead headachingly straightcis) 
and the crossdressing (in the play) is all kinds of things, but most simply it’s... normal? at least normal enough that a crowd of people are watching the convention happen and it’s popular enough to happen multiple times in multiple plays, which suggests that there was some knowledge at the time that people did this for xyz reasons and even that there are circumstances where it’s noble and right to do so -- compared to, say, 80s-2000s film conventions that position crossdressing + gender transgression of other kinds in the realm of deceitful/villainous/predatory (depending on the film)
(here I add a little read about eleanor rykener, who is generally considered the first trans person we know of in England, in the sense of transgender* as a transgression of gender that is illegal/socially unacceptable -- and we know about hir because of a court case after hir arrest for being a sex worker in the 14th century, almost 200 years before shakespeare was writing. if something was made illegal, it means that that something was happening, and happening enough to be noticeably dangerous to social convention)
*transgender here being used in the traditional sense of “a body that is crossing gender lines in one of many ways,” more along the lines of the 90s use of the term (although I do anecdotally see that coming back into popularity)
(and here a consideration about the overlap between the theatre and sex work that I am not well-versed enough to go into detail on beyond: that was, as we know, definitely a thing)
so you get lines from twelfth night that are very much positing cesario/viola in a state of being both man and woman that could exist in poetry today (I am all the daughters of my father’s house, and all the brothers too -- and yet I know not...) and you’re like... did that resonate with some person in the audience in a way it does today? where was shakespeare seeing this happen enough that it was a repetitive theme in his works? how commonly understood was the existence of this for the majority of the watchers? 
am also reminded here of that one episode of upstart crow “the most unkindest cut of all,” which has a character called toby who is an intersex man and a  genius actor -- the character is played by cis and I believe perisex actress beattie edmondson. cannot say to the otherwise respectfulness of the portrayal, but it at least isn’t comical or villainous, and I do wonder where the impetus came from david mitchell et al to discuss the crossdressing of the theatre partially from this perspective
this is all very surface-level, I would love to know what essays are written about it.........
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varsex-pride · 9 months
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https://www.tumblr.com/varsex-pride/680258294617604096/wheres-plurgai-masterpost?source=share
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try this link (archived reblog from our blog) and this one (reblog from BMPF). if you're looking for a more complete masterlist without flags, I strongly recommend this (it's more recent, by @gender-jargon):
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[Image: three horizontal stripes sized as three-four-three and colored with pear, indigo, and wine. End ID.]
TMA/TMC (transmisogyny-affected/-constrained): An attempt at more accurately describing the experiences of people based on whether they are targeted by transmisogyny instead of relying on assumptions around birth assignment.
This flag represents those who are affected directly by transmisogyny, such as transfeminine people, trans women, some non-binary individuals who were assigned male at birth (AMAB/DMAB), and some intersex folks.
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ipso-faculty · 3 months
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Proposing some intersex gender modality & transition terms
So there are a whole bunch of different ways that intersex people can be/identify as trans. I've been thinking about what names would be useful for articulating these differences and in this post I'll list what I've got so far. 🧑‍🔬
I'm hoping to get feedback on these, so if you have feedback let me know! 💛 I expect to edit this post, to incorporate feedback and further ideas.
CW: mention of IGM and forced HRT
Types of transitions
Distransition: a medical transition forced upon an intersex person, such as through IGM or forced HRT. Dis- to indicate the negative aspect of the transition being coercive, as well as to connote disability since this process is so frequently traumatic and/or disability-causing. In disability studies language it's a form of debility (disability caused through systemic violence).
Mistransition: a distransition (forced transition) that is not in alignment with a person's gender identity. Mis- to indicate the incorrectness of the alignment as well as to maintain a negative connotation because this is a coercive transition.
Entransition: a consensual transition done by an intersex person. Contrast to distransition. En- acts as an opposite to dis- and also to me indicates a level of intent (e.g. envision, enact, enliven). It also serves to indicate that transition is different for intersex bodies than for perisex bodies.
Retransition: an entransition done by an intersex person who previously had been distransitioned. I.e. when an intersex person does a second transition to undo, alter, or improve a forced transition. Re- to indicate a second transition, but also that it's a revision of the first one. EDIT #1: This term is not intersex exclusive, and may also be used by perisex trans people who have transitioned multiple times. EDIT #2: For an intersex-exclusive version, I suggest "re-entransition", combining re- and en-.
Retrotransition: a retransition that is done to undo the effects of forced transition. So an intersex person who, after being forced into a binary gender, then transitions their body towards a best approximation of what their body's natural state would have been without forced transition. Retro- for backwards to indicate undoing that is worth differentiating from detransitioning.
Laterotransition: a retransition done by an intersex person to a gender that is neither the gender externally imposed by a distransition nor what their body's "natural state" would be. For example, an AFAB AIS person who was coercively transitioned female, who then later transitioned male. Latero- as contrast to retro- (latero- is to the side, antero- is forward) as well as to indicate the turn away from the path set forth externally by parents/doctors.
Anterotransition: a retransition done by an intersex person that continues the direction set forth by previous forced transition. So additional transitioning done by somebody whose gender is in alignment with what was externally imposed. While this will probably be somebody's AGAB, it doesn't have to be - some times intersex people are forcibly transitioned to a different gender than their AGAB.
All of these transitions would have an analogous gender modality. So an entransgender person is somebody who has/is undergoing/intends to entransition. And a retrotransgender person likewise has/is undergoing/intends to retrotransition.
I see distransition and mistransition as potentially useful for intersex people talking about trauma and structural intersexism. I think entransition might be useful for talking about how being intersex and transitioning is frequently different than for perisex people, especially if it is a retransition. And perhaps distransition and anterotransition may be of use to exparium folks.
Personally: I was distransitioned as an adolescent and have recently started a process of medically retrotransitioning.
Feedback welcome! A list of revisions will go at the bottom of this post. Will make flags for terms once I feel satisfied with them.
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2024-01-16: I've been informed by @chipbutbetter that retrans is already used by some perisex folks with complicated transition patterns, so I have edited to say this term should not be intersex exclusive. Thanks! 🏳️‍⚧️
2024-01-16: thought about an intersex-specific version of retransition and landed on "re-entransition". A little awkward but combines both retransition and entransition! Flexible on whether to include a hyphen (reentransition).
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cistematicchaos · 2 years
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A lot of you need to stop using AMAB/AFAB terminology because you guys do not know what the fuck it means. Or what situations to use it in. Stop.
"Afab people need abortions-" stop.
"Afab people have periods-" stop.
"Amab people have x-" shut up, you do not know what those words mean or how to use them. Either learn or stop.
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dullahandyke · 2 years
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Hate to nitpick but u guys know being intersex isn't necessarily a Gender right. Like some intersex ppl deffo can and do consider it a part of their gender like.
Gender: the way you identify
Sex: the categories that specific physical characteristics are sorted into
Intersex: a range of conditions wherein someone's physical characteristics do not fit entirely into the 'male' or 'female' categories
Like. Putting an intersex flag into an 'all genders are valid' or whatever post just feels a little bit like OP doesn't fully know what intersex is? Compare and contrast with idk autism and how they're like conditions which can influence a person's perception of their own gender but ultimately do not have to be related at all
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not-a-medical-student · 7 months
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What is…
Intersex?
(Wikipedia)
“ Intersex people are individuals born with any of several sex characteristics including chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitals that, according to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies". [1][2] ” (1)
“ Sex assignment at birth usually aligns with a child's anatomical sex and phenotype. The number of births with ambiguous genitals is in the range of 1:4500–1:2000 (0.02%–0.05%).[3] Other conditions involve atypical chromosomes, gonads, or hormones.[4][5] Some persons may be assigned and raised as a girl or boy but then identify with another gender later in life, while most continue to identify with their assigned sex.[6][7][8] The number of births where the baby is intersex has been reported differently depending on who reports and which definition of intersex is used. ”
To sum it up, Intersex broadly refers to any person who has mixed male and female sex characteristics, whether it be chromosomes, or an androgynous phenotype from naturally occurring sex hormones that are deemed as atypical. But many different types of variations exist and not all intersex people are androgynous.
My questions are, Where do we draw the line between who is male and who is female when being intersex on its own is ignored despite its biological reality? It’s clear there is a binary, but what about all those who fall in between? Is where the line is drawn a social construct? Is there a line drawn? Why isn’t everyone who has mixed sex characteristics considered intersex?
Why does how we gender intersex and transsexual people change depending on who you ask? If you’re phenotype is female, but have different chromosomes, (no matter transsexual or intersex) are you “female enough” ?
Misconceptions: Transsexual people are not intersex, unless they are. Not all transsexual people are intersex and not all intersex people are trans. But it is important to keep in mind that sometimes intersex and non-intersex transsexual bodies have overlapping features.
Being intersex does not make you non-binary, and being non-binary does not make you intersex. An intersex person’s identity could be male, female, non-binary, or just not care how they or others label themselves.
You do not have to be diagnosed as intersex to be intersex. Intersex is just a physical state of being.
There are a wide range of intersex variations and experiences and I cannot include all, even in a broad description, to keep this post short so I will probably write more about individual conditions later on.
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oh-dear-so-queer · 11 months
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In fact, a veritable profusion of different kinds of gender mixing has been uncovered throughout the animal world – so much so that scientists have had to develop a special terminology to refer to the bewildering variety of intersexualities.
"Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity" - Bruce Bagemihl
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ftmtftm · 7 months
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I'd like to ask for some help from any intersex followers I have (or any intersex folks who come across this post!)
I've been struggling a lot to find proper terminology for intersex issues in my research because Google is all gunked up and Tumblr is just as hard to parse through.
So, if anyone could point me in the direction of any good literature by intersex authors or any good online resources (especially that define terminology) that would be incredibly helpful!! I'm still doing work myself but any sort of direction would be wonderful!
(tl;dr I want to be a better ally to intersex folks in trans feminist conversations about sex/gender and approach my own theory with intersex experiences in mind better! So, any and all resources would be appreciated!)
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