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svt-taz · 1 year

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TAZ’S MASTERLIST

THE BASICS!

Disclaimer • Masterpost • Navigation • Profile • KProfiles • Background • Facts • Unknown Facts • Trivia • Style • Mic & In-Ear • Her Apartment • Her Studio(s) • Inside her phone • Inside her bag • Just TAZ things • Iconic moments • Iconic quotes • Learn the Alphabet with TAZ/A-Z quotes • TAZ once said • Captions said by TAZ that sounds fake but are real • Well known fan cams • Well known fan accounts • Popular fansites • Types of fans • Types of stans • Types of Sasaengs • TAZ’s idol, Korean celeb, and Western celeb fans • Idols, Korean celebs, and Western celebs crushing on TAZ • The old dorm room • The new dorm room • Her Love Life • Understand my ship in five minutes (NSFW and SFW version) • Character Study • Ship Inspiration •

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MMAS • MAMA • SMAS • GMAS • BBMAS • AMAS • MTV VMAS • MTV EMAS • Inkigayo • Music Bank • M Countdown • Music Universe K-909 • Show Champion • The Show • Show! Music Core • Simply K-Pop • Virtual Gayo Top 10 •

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MET GALA!

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The Eras • Performances • Albums • Songwriting, production, and composing process and credits • KOMCHA credits • Collaborations • Unreleased songs •

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WRITING!

Chapters • Scenarios • Drabbles • Asks • Requests • TMI • Reactions • What if’s • Scandals • News • Articles • Texts •

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INSPIRATION CREDITS!

@smolwritingchick • @wonwoosthetic • @jalwoorideul • @svthana • @svt-hari • @svt-kailani • @svt-rosalie • @svt-yexi • • @svt-nari • @district2001 • @eisa-core • @cafemilk-tea • @finallydelight • @ateezbiia (Layout credits) • Amino Apps (Layout credits) •

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2024 update: I’m mad indecisive so I’m sorry for the constant changes.

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aphrodite1288 · 3 years

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May I ask approximately how often those ig/twt sasaeng infos end up being true?

Like is it a credible source of info? (I hate saying it like this, it sound terribly invasive so I really don't keep up with all of this) I've always thought that sasaengs did not share much their informations for free because it's like a business for them so it's seems suspicious to reveal something so big just like that right? That's what I always read, was I misinformed? Sasaengs do that now?

They only share very famous info, such as comebacks' concepts &dates, which color each member died their hair for the cb. How many songs in the album, leaked demo versions of the songs or leaked dance,if a member is dating or not (not who they date they mostly suspect an idol dating when they see them buying couple things at stores and going out very often they claim they're dating, most if the times sasaengs don't know who the idol is dating exactly) and very famous scandals such as drugs, molestation, alcoholic members, idols being threatened, fights among some idols or in the same group, big scandals like "The Sun nightclub" and sex trafficking and stuff like that...things that everyone knows in korea, things u can't hide. These things were never a secret everyone knows of them. So they share those.

But to know who is dating who? it's very hard ! idols tend to be very very careful, extremely disguised that you can't tell who they are! they never hangout or go on dates outside!à they always do it at home or rent extreme private places far away from korea, far from the famous spots idols frequently meet up at,unless the couple don't care if they're outed so they go on dates freely never disguised and they don't care if they get discovered such as "SNSD's Sooyoung and her amazing boyfriend cute romantic pics that dispatch blessed us with, or the lead couple from descendants of the sun etc...other than that it's almost impossible to catch idols dating they know the tactics of paparazzi and sasaengs and their moves and where they always go to snap pics so idols are more tricky and smarter than what y'all think, it's almost very hard for them to get caught as their guards are always up!)

Something else those stoopid sasaengs pages tend to do, is they share old pics of fake couples and claim they're Jenkai or taennie (taehyung of bts and Jenn ship) or liskook blah blah... To gain followed and to scam shippers and get their money, that's why if u follow those Sasaeng pages they always ask you to move to their new accounts, they constantly making new accounts coz they scam people and get reported so they ask their followers to move to their new accounts and they tend to bring other sasaeng pages down and calling each other fake, I have witnessed many many sasaengs pages bringing e/o down and calling e/o fake and they mostly share the same content and claim it as theirs, I've witnessed many beefs and I laughed my ass off really.

Upon my dear Kaisooists's REQUEST: I've bought from them infos to test them when they said they had Kyungsoo and jongin's girlfriends pics, but when I bought the news and pics they only sent me few pics of a random girl claiming she is Ji's girlfriend and and pic of Ksoo with an old woman( she was a movie producer) when they went for a coffee ☕ to discuss some scenarios suggestions! And I've had those pics long time ago back in 2016 but they're using them now to claim it's Ksoo and his new GF while I've seen the Pics I'm 2016! 🤦🏿‍♀️. The other pics were of a couple a man who's short and looks like Ksoo and his GF, and i discovered that those pics they sent were the rumored FAKE pics dispatch used to claim Ksoo is dating Sojin of the girlgroup "Girl's Day" which no one believed coz that was clearly not ksoo and it was proven later it was her friend/boyfriend, and he doesn't look nothing like Ksoo and he was a chubby short man and Ksoo back then in 2013 was skinny and with a small figure so it was clearly not Soo, also why would a 1 year old rookie Kyungsoo date his SUNBAENIM who's 7years older than him (in age she is 1986 liner) 🤦🏿‍♀️ I mean there's nothing wrong with age gap when it comes to love but for a shy rookie who's under a dating ban and who only debuted a year ago???? That's a NO NO, he was still young to affect his and his members' career by a reckless dating scandal, when he broke up with the love of his life just to debut in SM so clearly he cares about his career. And the pics of Sojin and the other guy whom they claimed was Ksoo are all over internet. It was a flop coz no one believed that stoopid dating scandal dispatch posted to cover up some shit happened back in 2014 when a lot of disasters happened in the industry with the members leaving and death of many other people in the industry, Taeyong's scandal (NCT's), Goohara's rape and sex tapes, Boom's früh scandal, Ladies'code's death caused by a sasaeng, etc...

Anyway I discovered they were a scam, i bought from them to test them upon my fellow kaisooists'requests who asked me in private and begged me to go test those sasaengs whom are so famous and claim to know everything..Thus, I found out I was right, coz they sent me old shit or fake couples who look like Kyungsoo and Ji with some random girls whom they claimed were their gfs.

One famous Sasaeng asked me to pay 100$ To get Ji's new girlfriend's pic, but when I asked her for previews she sent me pics of random girls in Internet, I told her how am I supposed to know if she's Ji's girlfriend or Donald Trump's girlfriend??? She said " well I know she is his girlfriend", I told her " okay prove it??? Do u have pics of Ji with her?", she said "No! Only her !" I told her "and how am I gonna know that she's his GF?? I will pay you 100$ You have to give me legit shit!! That's motherfucking 100$ Sis????!!" She said "I JUST KNOW AND YOU HAVE TO TRUST ME , IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME LEAVE MY ACCOUNT AND UNFOLLOW ME"

I wasn't even following her so she blocked me.💁🏿‍♀️ Actually many of them blocked me, when I tested their korean to know if they really are korean or live in S.K, by asking my friend who speaks korean. I found out they weren't even korean...and they don't even know how to read korean. And they blocked me right away.

And that's only one of the many stories with those fake ass sasaengs whom I tested and found out were basic lying bitches doing it for followers and clout & CASH 🤑💰 and claiming things from their own imagination. 💁🏿‍♀️

But Hey! ofc they do know some things and as I said before above! They know the very famous things such as upcoming idols' or actors' projects, movies, dramas, Comeback dates and concepts etc... Which they use as a proof to gain y'all's trust! But what y'all don't know is that those things aren't even secret, they're news everyone of y'all can find if u join korean kakao talk groups or Kpop amino groups or just naver posts for those who know korean of y'all. It's not magical.

And if anyone gonna come here giving lecture as to why I bought news about Kadi and that I'm a privacy invader and blah blah, I'm just gonna tell you "don't waste your time writing your comment coz 1) I don't read comments so I'll probably never see it, 2) I don't give a flying fuck about your opinion, so calma" .

Hope i answered your ask.

#instagram and twitter sasaengs are fake!#Don't believe sasaengs

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kpopblog37 · 2 years

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The truth behind BTS sasaengs

a/n: this isn’t my research or post the original is in another website

“BTS sasaeng” are keywords if you search it an underworld will emerge since the beginning of 2019, the fandom A.R.M.Y has been faced with sasaengs accounts in social networks even though this kind of account has been around for a long time, but it was not something popular among “ordinary fans” not like now. since the incident at the airport with the “no pants girl” the sasaengs accounts has appeared more and more, each one stating different , and many claiming to be the “no pants girl”

during a live Jungkook received a call from a sasaeng, and after that many “sasaengs accounts” claim to have been them who called him

as you may realize many sasaeng accounts appear whenever events like these happen with it many of these supposed “sasaengs” gain more and more followers and become notorious among fans, they act so controversial in this way having their accounts spread all over twitter and becoming celebrities

But what is the truth behind these supposed sasaeng accounts? Who are they? Are they real or just liars wanting attention?

first of all let’s to know them for this I chose the 4 most famous sasaengs that I know

these are the accounts that are being spread most recently and I will talk about each of them individually

Let’s start with ywna_ss

I think it’s one of the oldest account

YWNA_SS is the main account she also has another account called bitcyoona

Yoona steals photos of other people and pretends to be hers

simple right? Yoona is a fake sasaeng just like the others I’ll expose here

let’s talk about the one who loves to spread rumors

MINHSK_

Minhsk was the one who spread the fake account “j6388h” that was pretending be a bighit staff the username was changed now is “sweg_bighit” minhsk keeps liking her photos even after she has been exposed

when minhsk_ friend ( Sayuri (sayuri__lie) aka a.fewar_) posted a video with minhsk, pretending trying to open the door of “bts” hotel room. but the video is not theirs. It took a long time but I was able to find the original video

minhsk_ posted a photo on IG pretending that was Jimin on the photo, but it was actually a screenshot of a video of a football player

now let’s go to STARHERIN

statherin pretends to be the “no pants girl” but she’s not her, there’s even an article about ‘no pants girl’ where they marked Herin as if she were her

starherin old username was jungherin_

she steals photos of other people and pretends to be hers. she takes screenshot of videos and stole photos from people IGstory, so it’s almost impossible to find the source of the photos she is posting

Herin posted photos of these cars in her instagram story times ago, but these photos were screenshots of a video posted by the user uura_b on her ig story, Herin likes to make people think she’s rich and is always following bts, but she just steals photos and videos of other people

before her user was jungherin_ and she claimed to be the “no pants sasaeng” when people confused one of the staffs with the “no pants girl” Herin posted a video saying it was her but later it was proved that the girl in the video was not sasaeng but a staff

she also steals bts photos that were taken by other people and put her watermark to look like she is a real sasaeng

the girl who became known as “no pants girl” is Chinese, but Herin claims to have a Korean father and a Chinese mother, but she doesn’t know how to speak Korean or Chinese, all caption in Korean that she post in her photos are obvious written with any translator app

and now the last one SUFK_SS

SUFK_SS is know for claiming to be the sasaeng who called Jungkook during Vlive, and also because she claims to pay for a staff to put cameras in Jungkook’s room.

she posted this on her IG story

but this supposed chat is fake, after researching a bit I found out that the picture that the alleged staff sent to sufk_ss is actually a screenshot of a porn video

did you see? all accounts are lies, and they are very dangerous, they have a lot of power and many people believe in them, these fake accounts are gaining followers and becoming influential, this is a big problem because they can easily spread rumors

I own all the content, I did the research to find the truth behind these fake accounts, please don’t repost without giving me the credits

if you are interested in more content like this follow me on instagram and twitter @dottrkive

link to the original: https://medium.com/@dottrkive/the-truth-behind-bts-sasaengs-2bdd0bfd539b

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lovemyhyunjinnie · 4 years

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NCT 127- Their S/O gets a lot of hate from fans

Request- Hiiii 👋🏻 nct 127 reaction to their s/o getting hate and threats from their fans. Like do you think some of them would break up with her to "protect" her, or stay with her and try to talk to their fans or however you see each of them dealing with that situation 🥺🌊💙

Taeyong

Taeyong was used to both of you getting hate. It happened all of the time, and he was kind of used to it by now. But when death threats started coming in, he would be horrified. He really really hoped you wouldn't see them. He would try to be polite about asking fans to stop sending them because they were affecting both of your mental health. He contemplated breaking up with you once, just to protect you, but he couldn't do it.

Taeil

Taeil knew that you would get hate when you two decided to reveal your relationship. He just wasn't expecting the the amount of hate. He would be mature about it and talk to his manager about punishing the people saying such rude things. If they wouldn't take care of it, he would. He started reporting and blocking all of the people sending hate and got the other boys to as well. This actually made your relationship stronger.

Doyoung

There's a reason sasaengs are terrified of him. The second he sees any hate towards you, he gets so unbelievably angry. He's gonna go on Vlive and talk to the fans. He'll make sure that they know he isn't angry at all of the fans, just the ones sending you hate. He would never think about leaving you just because of a few people that think they own every single part of him.

Johnny

All Johnny wanted was to be able to go out in public with you, but it seemed like no one was happy to find out that the two of you were dating. Johnny can take a lot, but he can't take you getting death threats from 'fans'. He would do an Instagram live and let everyone know just how fake and horrible they've been. Johnny doesn't care who he offends. He wouldn't think of breaking up with you for one second.

Jaehyun

Jaehyun was so surprised by how much hate you were receiving after the two of you opened up about your relationship. He thought you were perfect, and he loves you so much that he doesn't see how others could hate you. He would beg the fans that are saying these things to stop and told them that it was really hurting both of you. He knew he wasn't able to do anything about it so he made sure to tell you that he loved you everyday, and that he would never ever leave you because of people hating on you.

Yuta

He's another one that sasaengs are scared of. The second you started to receive death threats, Yuta is going to do something about it. He'd do lives on both Instagram and Vlive. He's also going to post something on Twitter. There would be a lot of cursing. He doesn't want to scare the supportive fans, but he needs people to know that he doesn't want you to get anymore death threats. He wouldn't leave your side while all of this was going on.

Jungwoo

Jungwoo knew that the two of you were going to face some serious hate, so he wasn't that surprised. That doesnt mean it didn't hurt him though. He would definitely wait for SM to do something when it comes to punishing the people who were saying these things. He would write a letter to the fans explaining how much he loves you and that you make him happy in hopes that people would stop sending hate. He considered breaking up with you to protect your mental and physical health, but he couldnt bring himself to do it.

Mark

Mark has so much stress in his life and the death threat you had started to receive were just adding to it. He would post something about it on all of their social media. After that he would probably take time off from all of his activities. If the threats keep coming in he himself would take legal action because he's sick of all of these people who feel like they should control his life. He may be a little distant at first, but he would never leave you.

Haechan

Haechan was hoping to have a little more peace in his life after your relationship was made public, but he should have known better. When you started getting hate it almost broke Haechan because he just loves you so much. He'd do his best to ignore it because he knew addressing it may only make it worse. The boys would probably end up saying something for him because they also hated seeing the two of you so upset. It doesn't matter how much hate you get, he would never dream of leaving you because you're his world.

#kpop #nct 127 #taeyong #taeil #doyoung #johnny #yuta #jaehyun #jungwoo #mark #haechan #reactions #nct 127 reactions #nct reactions #kpop reactions

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faakeid · 5 years

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They have access too fake information by paying 20 dollars on PayPal to randoms who call themselves sesangs and give fake information on Instagram and Twitter, and knetz with information and no proof

Even the sasaeng tea contradicts itself how ironic.

#anon #answered

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eaudejeon · 5 years

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Army twitter is in shreds today

If you haven't heard major fansites,

Mighty_jimin (jm's) Hearttrhrob_jm (jm's) winterVerry1230 (taehyung's)

ALL went into rest mode today, cus according to them, have been constantly cyber bullied (from light name calling, racial slurs to death threats) and can't take it any longer.

This has been boiling for some time now and I feel like culminated from busy twitter thread-makers who have falsely targeted fansites and labelled them “ALL fansites are sasaengs.”

Twitter is a fractioned app and misleading misinformation spreads fast, before you now it the sheep mob flock has arrived.

I'll get to the point. There's different groups of people on army twitter as of now:

Group 1. Fansites are a safety issue in concerts with their big lens cameras

Group 2. ALL fansites are sasaengs, doing illegal activity

Group 3. Fansites aren't the problem

There's a lot of hypocritical behaviour going around as well. There's also misinformation about the word “sasaeng” itself, a lot of people can't grasp the meaning of it, still.

“sasaengs:

Sasaengs are non-stop stalkers, they buy information, break in, steal & sell idol's things, call non-stop, harrass, don't care about anyones safety, send threatening msgs or death threats, camp near idols dorm & ent. building, think they own the idol, want to be memorable so they do questionable things, like scratch them, jump on them etc, purposefully stay in the same hotel, purposefully buy leaked flight information & take the same flight, buy or leak (if they get pissed) idol's personal information (whatever it may be: dating, family, smoking/drinking, phone numbers etc).”

Anyone who goes under this is essentially a sasaeng or have sasaeng like tendencies.

However fansites who've gotten on the same flight(s) as the group and haven't been blacklisted by bighit are not sasaengs in this case (keep in mind bighit's list, the list comes with “warnings”, so not everyone who's on that list is blacklisted but a few of them are, yes).

See people like the perks that fansites give them:

HD or 4K fancams (bighit hasn't even uploaded the BBMA's one, still)

HD pics, that people like to save, use as their DP pics, lockscreen/home, make fanart out of them or use in their unofficial merch.

Member/group support (b-day support, comeback support, special day support, bulk buying albums/official merch (earlier days & c-armys still order through fansites/fanbases cus this way it's much cheaper), large donation & charity projects for different causes.

They like when fansites show up in prestigious events like The AMA's or BBMA's, they liked when fansites bought very expensive gifts & fan support for bangtan (for years) when the member's were dead broke, so they wouldn't be too embarrassed. But the larger the fandom grows, more forgetful we get, I guess. Majority of the international side don't know how it really was & they don't get it to be honest. That's that.

There are problematic fansites who have been blacklisted (several times) by bighit themselves, fansites who have been outed for being too sasaeng like, there's been threads with lists made (several times) but cus the fandom is too big and too misinformed the “mob” go and bully fansites who's only crime has been smuggling in their cameras to concerts so “we” all of “us” can enjoy previews, hd's, fancams, buy our little banners etc- so they could raise profit to give back and support the band with their huge projects. They always come through. Remember that pink train project, Soul subway line 2? It was meant for wishing the group a happy new year, alongside celebrating Jin's & Taehyung's b-day.

fansites like A little braver 92 (jin's), Jiminiful (jm's), Adonis (hobi), MoNiJunNi (namjoon's), taetaeeyes1230 (v's), sugacoffee309 (yoongi's) and a few other, all came together and made this project happen.

How do you think that huge project came to be? This also promoted the band, was on the news..

There's also a 4th group of people on twitter who're just plain hypocrites, claiming that what fansites do is illegal (meaning concert picture taking, filming) while they:

having fansite taken pics as their DP (which goes against what they believe & say)

watching/downloading/uploading paid content on youtube or 3rd party sites (vlive+, bon voyage, DVD's, ALL PAID CONTENT etc) which is ILLEGAL

concert streaming- ILLEGAL (this goes under the same rules that fansites break as well)

filming/taking photos during soundcheck- ILLEGAL

making/selling/purchasing fake merch (clothes, photos, stickers, plushies etc)- ILLEGAL

publishing/leaking fancafe content to various online platforms (twitter, instagram etc)- ILLEGAL

US & EU armys are saying that it's worrisome to go to a concert when there's a possibility that fansites get through = so anyone can get through (troubled person, terrorist etc.) and I do understand this point but the way army twitter goes about it, terrorising fansites & bullying them while preatching about #ENDVIOLENCE, at the same time just ain't it.

Karmys on twitter have gotten involved as well, cus the keywords about fansites going to rest mode (like mighty_j) trended on Daum (4 keywords trended, if I'm not mistaken). But the OP is getting hate left & right, being called with racial slurs and people in general talk in circles not getting the point.

But what is the point?

This issue will not go away unless army as a fandom talks about it maturely without mobbing people, but I guess this is wishful thinking. I just hope our fandom won't get too fractured & polarised. Cus a hurt sheep is easy for the wolf to track down. We need to be strong within the fandom. We do need karmys (not breaking bridges), we do need fansites (and not bully the old, big ones who have helped this fandom grow), but how do we resolve the issue that mainly US armys have with the concerts? Cus this wont go anywhere.

Take this post as you will.

I tried to be as “neutral” as I could, but obviously I wrote this post cus I'm not happy how things are going with the army twitter mob mentality and I do have opinions.

#bangtan #bangtan sonyeondan #bts #army twitter #namjoon #seokjin #yoongi #hoseok #taehyung #jimin #jungkook

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thedispatched · 3 years

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Ok so I finally read the soompi post defending Lucas and I wanted to share my thoughts:

They presented some strong points, but their bias is also pretty obvious and they always land with such bold assumptions that just don't make sense. It makes me a bit skeptical.

Anyway, I'll start with the information they got from the ooooshiiim account and the twitter prediction account:

The user ids they represented are def real, that can be easily confirmed by going to websites that translate user handles to ids.

But them comparing one manga character to lucas and assuming that somehow that disproves OP 1's claims is hilarious LMAO. The description of the fictional character would literally fit most male idols, idk how they went like "oh this guy severely resembles lucas, another evidence yay!"

As with the Instagram account, I can't seem to find it?? If, say, it's really OP, did they happen to find the soompi post and decided to delete the Instagram account/change the username? This is also poses the possibility that the Instagram account isn't actually real, but I guess we'll never know.

I also wish the soompi lumi provided a link to the account and some more elaboration on how their cyber investigator found it through the twitter acc's digital footprints. The manga part is very elaborate but most else is just pretty vague which I find a bit questionable?

The said fabrication of the chat records: doesn't the gaps depend on what version of WeChat it is? I searched for "wechat screenshots" and some gaps can indeed be as big as the ones in the chat records.

It would also have been better if they highlighted the gap inconsistencies/misalignments they are pointing out because personally I don't see it(but maybe it's just my eyes bluffing).

I don't have much to say about the schedule parts since I don't follow their schedules closely and I'm too lazy to search for it, but I guess what those fans said do make sense.

The voice messages: I don't have much to say either since I don't speak korean. But last time I heard the alleged voice message and the bubble one lumis are using as proof, they didn't sound alike. But then again, I don't know korean.

The sasaeng photos: I guess it also kinda makes sense. But I feel like the fan who said they got the same photo OP 1 had provided should have just showed a screenshot of her conversation with the sasaeng she claims to be selling them, I mean, the photo is already out, so what difference of not specifying which photo it is/not showing the screenshots of her conversation with the sasaeng would make?

The ring part: the soompi lumi's argument also seems pretty valid. It really does not look like his finger.

The OP 2 part: I don't know mandarin or cantonese so I can't really comment on the nuances the fans are trying to point out. I don't understand the red boxes though, were those part of the original photos OP 2 provided or are they highlights of the misalignments lumis are trying to point out?

The OP 3 part: Oh they can definitely be a guy, but it's also possible that they didn't use their actual gender in the account(I myself do that all the time, for privacy reasons). But once again, we will never know which is true.

The photo is indeed very questionable. Why is the background blurred? Why are there plushies everywhere? Why is there a reflection of what seems like a man in the glass when they're supposedly alone? But there seems to be a door and a small hallway reflected on the glass too? It looks clean and hotel-like. And the one who took the photo seemed to be sitting right besides him based on the photo's angle. If it's taken by a sasaeng staff as fans have claimed, how did the sasaeng staff secretly took a photo like that while literally sitting besides lucas and with other people around them(like the "man in the glass") without the other people in the dorm questioning what the fuck is that staff doing? But another explanation I can think of(if the photo really came from a sasaeng staff) is that a member took the photo(with Lucas being aware of it) and somehow the sasaeng staff managed to get it?

With OP 3's chat records, again I don't see the gap mistakes or misalignment they are pointing out, I again tried to look at WeChat examples on the internet and the difference between the size of the messages and the dates is a normal thing, so is the gap between 2 messages vs the gap at bottom of the chat. And the "difference" between the two s's in lucas's username they are pointing out is honestly ridiculous. The photo is taken from an asymmetrical angle, of course the sizes would look unequal.

The sleeping photos: the plushies' textures don't look the same, dorm plushie looks more rough while the plushie Lucas is sleeping with looks softer and fuzzier. And if it was taken by a sasaeng in the wayv dorm as fans have claimed, how the hell is the sasaeng within such a close proximity? There's so many people in the dorm and I doubt they'd be all asleep at that time to not notice that a sasaeng is right besides their sleeping member literally photographing him.

The jacket and photo receipts: Oh I've seen this on another article. I'm convinced with the debunking of the jacket part, and receipts are everywhere in the internet. I guess it isn't impossible that OP 3 might have just took the receipts somewhere online.

OP 4's surfing video: Yes, same pose, but different angles? That does not look exactly the same as the one he showed in his socials. But that black spot is definitely questionable.

OP 4's WeChat records: Oh another questionable one. Especially the imbalance in the color value. But once I again I think it would have been better if they provided the links to the other debunk posts they included because man I can't see the cutting traces in the chats that they are pointing out.

OP 1's second post: again I think the difference in wechat date layouts depend on the version? And why did most koreans themselves didn't question the difference in OP 1's wechat? Like if korean wechat really don't look like that, wouldn't they point it out?

"their account creation dates and account activity all falls within the same time period." Um no?? 2015, 2019, 2018 are same time periods??

In conclusion, as I said before, I think the soompi lumi presented strong points that really make you question the credibility of the allegations, but their intense bias towards lucas makes them quite questionable, too. And the way they treat every debunk post like the absolute divine truth is pretty off-putting.

I'm convinced not everything in the allegations are true. I'm just curious about the severity of his actions. Maybe he dated them, but maybe he wasn't an asshole? But if that's the case why would they try to ruin his image if he treated them right? Or maybe he really was an asshole but some of the story isn't true? Ah I'm still so confused of what to think but I believe there has to be some truth in the story, but just how bad is the truth???

thank you for sending me your thoughts! it's always interesting to see what other people think. (and sorry for the late reply!)

i'm not gonna say much as i've talk about my thoughts on the post already.

i agree about the manga, it's absolutely ridiculous how comparing one manga character to lucas debunks their claims. that's just one example of one of the far fetched assumptions that made me lean more towards not believing the article.

part of me also wondered if they created the ig account for their article but like you said, we’ll never know.

even if it doesn’t look like his finger in the messages, I’m pretty sure he mentioned winwin in the texts ??

I know some people blur the background of photos for either aesthetic, or mostly for privacy reasons.

I honestly don’t know how people are seeing a man in the reflection. It’s a literally blob. You can’t make out any (person) shape.

The jacket and receipts is the only thing I took away from that article that I actually kind of believed. I talked about this with another anon. That is super easy to fake, but the photos were also originally blurry so a “blur” around the words would be hard to solidify as evidence unless the photo is in ultra hd or something lol. But to me this is the most believable to be fake.

I once saw a twitter thread pointing out how the messages weren’t photoshopped and explained why they looked “misaligned” or whatever but I can’t remember what it said exactly besides auto translations. I won’t be able to find it again because it was so long ago :/

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but wechat is more of a China thing? Like not a lot of people outside of China/non-Chinese use it. You’re right about why Koreans didn’t point it out, but I don’t think they’d know if they don’t use it ??

You asked a lot of questions and pointed out a lot of things that are something to think about, but I don’t think anyone has a clear answer unless you have an extreme bias.

I also wondered the severity of his actions. I think this whole thing is a mix of truth and lies. We all want to know the truth and the worst part is we never will. Like you said, how bad is the truth?

(I might edit this later and add some stuff 😅)

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itsmejaquesz · 4 years

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[English] A reflection on: “MAP OF THE SOUL: 7 'Interlude: Shadow' Comeback Trailer”

I can't get out of my mind the M/V scenes and the lyrics of this song. That's why you decide to write about. So many details, but some scenes really caught my attention. The scene where dollar signs are scrawled over cell phones is one of them. It's something I've been thinking and discussing a lot with my friends.

VIEWS / ADVERTISING / RECOGNITION / MONEY

How far can people go to get views? Is it worth forgetting that there is a person on the other side, and treating an artist as a commodity? BTS has a very solid career, they are and have remained one of the most famous groups in history. Even though they now have more infrastructure, more money, more contacts in the music industry, more followers, more outreach, more sponsors, and are older and more experienced, they still (perhaps more often) have to go through this kind of. situation:

Leaking or worse selling information about members' personal and / or routine lives. Tae recently commented on a vlive about how they have to opt for private flights because people found out about it and bought seats near theirs. There are also situations when they are on tour and have their hotel rooms raided and of course we can not forget the phone number and addresses that always end up in the hands of sasaengs. Sasaengs, I've really tried to understand, but it's impossible, there is simply nothing to justify this kind of behavior, there are also some fansites and paparazzi who stalk and invade privacy in order to get unique information and images that they later exchange for money.

There is also the media in general. How many interviews, awards and programs has BTS attended in recent years? Did they feel comfortable in all of them? Did most have a big impact on their career? The answer is probably no. Was the media really interested in the music, BTS career, producing interesting content or just the audience / attention they would attract? Probably the second option. Even though they are aware of this kind of situation they have participated because they are professionals and in my opinion very humble, they know the importance of marketing and they are serious about trying to get closer to ARMY and that is one of the ways.

And of course we have fake people and profiteers, we all deal with these toxic types in our daily lives, but now let's think about the BTS scale: big companies, other artists, the establishments they go to, people of the past, ordinary people who they meet them by chance and I really hope it doesn't happen with BTS, but often family members themselves want a piece of their fame. Under these conditions it is difficult to build healthy professional relationships, now imagine in personal life? How to trust, how to let people come to you?

“No one told me / How lonely it is up here”

“Now I know runnig away could be an option too” - I do not know if this is the correct translation of this sentence, but to me it has many meanings, He may be talking about rumors/gossip/haters, conflict with his shadow or his relationships with people.

And now comes my main goal with this text. Fakenews, monotonous interviews, haters and profiteers, as I said earlier they are professionals, adults and increasingly experienced, they know how to handle/behave in these situations and if they don't know they are fully supported by BigHit. The lyrics of BTS Cypher talk a lot about this subject.

Now I'm sorry to say, our Boy Scouts are not bulletproof, not when they are responsible themselves and ARMY.

We idolize them and want to be close to them so we consume a lot of BTS, the music, the albums, the M/Vs, the shows, the social networks, their routine, the clothing, the merchandising, the cosmetics, the hair color, what they drink and eat, the artists they listen to / appreciate…

How many times have you seen news that because a BTS member was wearing something, that item was out of stock shortly?

Well… you are a fan and have the right to express your love of the way that suits you, but you are really being a fan when:

*Support or ignore only one member? They are 7 that became 1, is the name of the next album inclusive, of course you may find one of them more attractive or identify more with the personality of a member, but say that a member should be expelled or pursue a solo career, with them stating how they can only be happy when they know that ALL members are happy?

And all those rankings and search results, even small, are participating ARMYs and I'm sure BTS just knows about the results, as happened recently with j-hope who was the only member left out of one of these popularity lists..

*Ships, they are seven and yes probably have more intimacy with one or the other member, but why bring things to the romantic/sexual side, even if someday, such a ship is real, it will be equally disrespectful to guess how it's their intimacy, how many times I've come across ship-related porn stuff on Twitter, Instagram, YouTube and even Weverse, even if it's just drawing or writing, they use these social networks and can see / read. If you're the type who can't help but think better of it, just leave it to your imagination, even though Tae himself said it's not safe there. Please let's see the ships from the perspective of friendship.

*The way they dress and show the body. You may have a shy or bolder personality, you may want to look sexier or cuter, you may like to show off your body or wear extremely large unmarked clothes, you may have sparkle and vibrant colors on all your clothes or wear only black from head to toe, you may want to show off your underwear or dress like your grandfather. At the airport, when traveling or visiting family and friends, the members dress as they please, they don't have to be as neat and tidy as they are in performance. Still, there are always comments saying that this or that is vulgar, disrespectful, should not wear, that is too thin or too fat, that gets ugly with glasses…

*Members dating. I already mentioned how difficult it is in their situation to develop any kind of relationship, they know it, and if even knowing it they like someone enough to want to take over, we can't be jealous or angry and certainly have no right to judge / belittle partner choices. This all goes back to the sense of ownership, and we are not BTS OWNERS.

*Speaking of choices, tattoos, hair size, smoking, taste in music, hobbies… It's part of who they are, their attempt to build a personality and assert themselves as an individual. Don't you get angry and offended yourself or even sad when someone questions something you do / did? Every time this is done to them, it makes them more afraid to show who they really are. As if Korean society alone was no longer enough pressure.

These kinds of thoughts that I mentioned above end up in the media, certainly not the majority of ARMY thinks, but we have to remember that our fandom is giant and is in the spotlight so even if it is 1% of ARMY, are already thousands of users giving views on this type of content and this has just arrived in BTS. And when it gets to them what do you think they feel? Do they think the fandom that is a source of support and inspiration is wrong or are they not good enough? Do you think it affects their Persona or their real self?

I'm sure everyone has felt in the serious and sad way they talk about some issues, we can see at a glance how much they suffer and worry about it (lately especially JK) and how rarely they express opposition to that kind of behavior.

Even with the entire #LOVEYOURSELF campaign and their maturing as people, this kind of situation still hurts.

Time to reflect:

We love, admire and are inspired by their work, but we DON'T KNOW them, and as sincere as they are in their songs and speeches, no matter how much of their routine BigHit gives us and how many shows we go to, we would never get to. be close as probably their best friend is.

They are probably still trying to figure out who they are themselves. I do not doubt that they are amazing and interesting people off the stage either.

Now if you met one of the members in a bar in Paris and had a chance to have a drink with him, would you try to have a nice and fun conversation or would you bother filming / taking pictures to prove that you had contact with him?

Would you scream their names incessantly and take hundreds of pictures while they are at the airport, at the mall, at the convenience store?

Do you think that filming their performance is the best way to share the feeling and message they want to convey to us at the shows?

Would you be one of the hands that pull their true self down and then raise your cell phone and film their Persona onstage?

As ARMY our mission is to provide a safe space for BTS to be able to express who they really are, whether they are still afraid or unwilling to do so, the least we can do is try to make their lives as artists more comfortable and happy. I really don't want to see again a sigh of frustration from Yoongi or JungKook apologizing for having fun.

I do not know that anyone will read and if read offends this text, it really is not my intention. This M / V was a slap in the face and made me want to write about it, because a lot of the things I described also keep tormenting me.

Just about everything I have described fits into the lives of other artists as well, and is for all fandoms to reflect on. What do you talk / comment about your idol, would you dare to talk / comment if he was your best friend?

Finally as the M/V has direct references to “O! RUL8,2?” Below are some wise words from our beloved leader:

Nothing lasts forever You only live once So live your life Not any other’s lives

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Because at one point of someday everything you did Would be exactly what you will be

Sorry for any mistakes. My translation was done by Google

Thanks for reading until the end #LOVEYOUSELF #IPURPLEYOU @ZanquetJ

#7iscoming #shadow #suga #loveyourself #min yoongi #e:speak yourself #bts #k-pop #map of the soul #idol

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jjongchan98 · 7 years

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PAIN

You got out from the shower and got dressed. The morning, somehow, was oddly quiet that made you a little bit uneasy. You ate your breakfast like usual, just a simple sandwich would do. Finishing your early morning routine, you sat down on yor bed, starting to scroll down your twitter timeline.

Till your eyes caught a shocking news about your NCT 127 bias, Haechan.

You could not believe your eyes, blinking several time to make sure that this is really happening.

But it was still there ; “NCT Haechan was caught being in contact with sasaengs.”

…………………………….

You spent up your entire day checking out about the rumour. The news had been circulating in twitter, creating a big issue between the fans. A lot of Haechan fans were posting their concerns, hoping that the whole rumour will just stay as one, but unfortunately, a bigger issue surfaced.

Some voice recordings were posted, one of them was a phone call recording. You tried to listen to them, but somehow your heart could not deny that it was not him. You were confused either to believe them or not. Some said the recordings was fabricated, that they were taken from the usual conversation in fansigning events. The phone call too, since the girl’s voice was retuned, she might have edited Haechan’s voice too.

Following the mess, some of the active fansites masternims cursed on him using their twitter, as if they were claiming that they thought they have special spots in Hachan’s heart. And that they were disappointed with his behavior. After posting such things, they went into hiatus, or worse, closed down.

But fans were more rational. They took this as a way to swept away immature fans. Since the whole rumour was not clarified true by SM Entertaiment themselves, they stayed strong for Haechan. Together, they looked after each other, relaying their strength to keep supporting him. Let aside the ‘stupid fans’ nickname or whatsoever. Their strongest weapon right then, was believing, or in other word, having faith on Haechan.

This was when the whole kpop fandoms learned that some of the fansites masternim, no matter from which fandom they came from, were actually just like the other ‘sasaeng’ fans. It was just that they were accepted, since they provided us fans with hd pictures, since they were equipped with expensive and higher quality cameras to record the celebrities activities for the fans that would not be able to attend some events.

You follow the advices to not posting anything regarding the rumour, but instead joining others to post motivational words for Haechan. At this rate, the fans could only wish for the best, since they could not physically be with him. But judging from the bandwagon formed to bashed him, of course anonymously, online to bring him down, you know that this was a serious matter.

The issues continued for a few days, till finally, the girl who originally posted the rumour, stood up to tell everyone, that the rumour was totally FAKE. And yes, she only apologized online and vanished again just like that. She was just kidding around, but eventually it manage to shake the whole fandom, and the exaggerating rumours spread around, just like that. A painful mistake caused by a silly twitter post.

Some of the fans that stayed until the end could finally be at ease, although it took them their whole strength not to curse at the liar. (some of them already did). But still, the trouble was made. A lot of things happened in between. Loss of fans could not be stopped, but at least, everyone learnt a lesson. To not blindly believe in rumours.

Haechan, in the other hand, was obviously taken aback by the rumours. He might be shocked, receiving this kind of stress in his early career, in the age of 17, which was still too young to face such a rumour. His smile totally disappeared. He looked like hiding between the members in airports, not talking much in stages as he always did. At that time, you and other fans knew something. That the fandom had lose their sassy sunshine, Lee Donghyuck. Some of the fans cried, worrying about his condition. Even if they knew the members will always be there for him, but the effect of the whole mess on he himself was undeniable.

Would the sun shine back at his fullest?

………………………………………………………………….

And the whole darkest era of the eclipse started. No more Haechan’s cute laugh. No more selca from him on the Instagram. He was even cut out from the entire official video updates from SM. Either the B-sides tracks MVs, or the behind the scenes videos. Completely out of EVERYTHING.

However, the fans were always tagged their official accounts with supporting messages for him, hoping that he would read them to know that a lot of people were actually there for him.

Months after, there was a picture of him smiling posted by a fansite. The whole fandom was so excited that they also cried, but this time, in eternal happiness. Thank God, the smiley Haechan was back. Getting closer to his 17th birthday, the fans were planning a surprise event at a certain concert, but sadly the event failed since the original idea was to sing birthday song during self-introduction. But there was no self-introduction by the artist. But anyway, everyone enjoyed seeing him at the concert, with his new magenta hair (yes, since it was a bit exposed why does they keep making him wear that beanie?).

NCT 127 geared up for their comeback with the title song Cherry Bomb and guess what? You were a proud mom seeing your son Haechan’s teaser photos, he nailed it. Even though everyone was expecting that he got more lines in the track, he ended up sing ‘if you’re happy and you know it clap your hands’, but still, you were crying like crazy at that iconic line (haha). You were grateful enough that he got a solo dance part, with that killer moves because once again, he nailed it.

At their comeback showcase, you watched them live with teary eyes. While tapping hearts and leaving various supporting comments, you realized how much he grew up. And his new style made him stood out the most. Seeing him shocked when realizing that the loud cheers were for him, you were deeply touched and sad since you know how much he deserved them, since he was a wonderful person. You wished he would think higher of himself.

You kept up to date with their comeback, watching the fluffy Haechan coming back little by little. Time heal the wound, you thought. Whether it was for him, or the fans themselves.

Going through the whole mess together, the fandom has been stronger. The new era of Cherry Bomb was like the new start for them. With high hopes to make NCT’s sytle of music acknowledged by the public listeners, NCTzens promoted hard everywhere, resulting NCT to get their first win on MCountdown.

You were so glad that you decided to have faith on Haechan that you stayed loyal to the end. No words could describe your feelings towards him. It was not like you want to date him or something. You was not more than just as a fan. You just want to protect him, just as if he was your little brother. You did not want to see him hurt. Not ever again. Deep down in your heart, you wished so that he stays safe forever and more important, to always be happy.

writer’s note : today marks the 1st year of Haechan with NCT, so this is a token of my gratitude towards him. please love him a lot ^^

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aphrodite1288 · 2 years

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hi, did u know about jini lee? why het goms commented under her post on ig and said that she is k4i's gf?

Yes the rumor has been around Ji since Last months of 2020 and they're saying he dated her for over a year now. And the ExoL bombarded her Instagram posts asking about Ji and the poor girl had to answer to each comment and tell everyone she has nothing to do with Ji and that she doesn't even know him. She even deleted all her posts that were spammed with Ji and her dating, and recently deleted her a post because some stupid investigator Exol said she was supporting Ji's peaches album by wearing a modern Pink hanbok 🤦🏻. Leave her alone please she begged y'all. One of aurore's friend knows someone from the comments section and sent me those below you can check @jini_lee and read the comments. Poor girl.

The post they related to Ji and said she is supporting his album. Like wtf? It's a photoshoot she doesn't choose her clothes or the theme. Those fake Sasaengs even went far and said she is the girl in one of Ji's Peaches album teaser the girl I'm the cave. Just because she had a modern hanbok photoshoot.

There's a girl who spams her before it was worse they were a bunch of people coming from a person who claims she's a Sasaeng and she has a huge gang of followers that's her and her gang of claimed sasaengs :

There's also this girl who's supposed to be Ji's current Model Girlfriend

So who to believe?

I seriously don't know why you guys still believe in those Insta and Twitter Leakers and supposedly Sasaengs. Lmfao. A sasaeng never shares anything for free and they're easily tracked they work extra cautiously to avoid being exposed and never share things on public platforms. They get paid hundreds of millions of wons per each info, they work with idols companies and disspatch and staff members and big Media outlets and news papers do you think they care if you a normal international fan from across the globe know something? They don't even want internationals to know anything about their idols. They share fake info and watch y'all spreading it like pest especially those fake Sasaengs pages on insta and Twitter and in curious cat app and laugh at how dumb are y'all believing and analysing that. So a real sasaeng will never tell you anything unless you know them on a closer scale aka personally maybe you have met them somewhere or you're friends with their friends etc .. I can say it's impossible even to find a sasaeng just online. If you don't live in Korea or Japan and go to Exo concerts all the time and you hear about some Sasaengs and see them and talk to them (they won't even talk to u) then don't say you know a sasaeng.

I don't own the pics, they were sent to me by Aurore who asked a friend to investigate this. So I don't know anything about this drama. Ji is always involved with Models idk who made this rule.

Have a good day.

@Yoshida

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