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iwikpines · 4 months
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"are you sure about this?"
"no. but i love you"
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thepunkmuppet · 2 months
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on the subject of the new magnus protocol. RRRRARAAAHAJKAKKSUWJLWOOWHEVDNKDPFOEUEGHWPEPRIJEBWVKWLSLIDHENWLSKHEHEKWWOUEHEBDKDLEIEHWBIWOEJDBDBEKEKOELRURYEPPWKFBVEJWLPAPWIUEBRHRKLDLSPWKJENRIELLEJRBRKJWKWKWLLSOIEBRVJELSPODUEHGEJSOALWOWOUEVDCODLEPPWOWUSGUEKEBHFOOFEYWHWOCJURPEPWLDJGEJEKEAJHAJDKOEWIHWGSIEOEOUEGEVDNCKLEOQOIEIRHRHEKODKSBWJWOOPOOPOYGEHKWKSJSHHWNKWLSLJEEBRKLELPWPWHEVDBKEEIEGNSOENEHELEPRLRHHENEKEPEJRGE
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elijah-loyal · 1 month
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batshit theory that [ERROR] is jon's body separated from his soul which is stuck in the 'puter 'cause martin didn' kill him just chopped him apart a bit (this WILL cause Problems™)
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magpiing · 1 year
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jewishnightvale · 8 months
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crossposting a short thread on mag200, original post mentioned is this one
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autismprotocol · 3 months
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Magnus Protocol Analysis/Theory Board (S1 Ep 1-4)
Hi welcome to our blog! Basically me and my roommate are huge Magnus fans and have decided to track the story of Magnus protocol and theorize with actual red string evidence board (pictured below)
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while we were in the process of making this we started thinking it would be super cool to involve the TMA fandom in theorizing and dissecting TMAGP lore as it unfolds. So we snagged arguably the best name for a tumblr blog and we’ll start posting a digitized version of the theory board that will update whenever a new episode releases.
We’ll also be posting people thoughts and theories from the ask box so feel free to info dump and we’d love to share it and chat about it I’m hoping this blog will be a hub for TMAGP fans to discuss lore and breakdown episodes because I desperately need a place to organize my thoughts
So here’s the first TMAGP board update (SPOILERS AHEAD): (all the art is done by me @littleechoart) this contains a breakdown of episodes 1-4 of season 1
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lunartic-s · 4 months
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(season 5 spoilers) As a 2023 listener of TMA I've probably missed a million discussions about this stuff but like, you know how Elias is like, the Eye's bitch? His name is literally said elEYEas lmao- Is this a brilliant coincidence or another Jonny Sims Special? Cause I can absolutely see him giggling to himself whilst pitching TMA season 3-5 to the RQ boardroom like "This is gonna blow their fucking minds- 'EYE' IS LITERALLY IN HIS NAME GUYS ITS ONLY NATURAL HE'S GOING TO TURN INTO THE AVATAR EQUIVALENT OF A GIANT EYEBALL ONCE I START THE APOCALYPSE-"
Also that's a huge fucking W for c!Jonah Magnus lmao imagine scouring your institution for a suitable body to steal so you can keep running your silly little watchtower company and this fucking dude with your patron's name walks by LMSANHUOEFH he really said 'DUDEEEE THE STAFF ARE GONNA LAUGH SO HARD WHEN THEY FIGURE THIS OUT-'
It's so funny to me I'm sorry if like 300 people have already said this lol
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bonzos-number-1-fan · 2 months
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TMAGP 10 Thoughts: History Lessons
What an episode. I'd love to do a bit of preamble up front but there is a load to talk about. No one needs me to ramble before the ramble. This will be a long one so buckle in, kids.
Spoilers for episode 10 below the cut.
Another episode that jumps straight into the incident. I really enjoyed this one. Both for its novel format and also for the way it lays the foundations of what's to come. It's also nice to see an incident that is mostly mundane. There was very little in this, outside of an allusion to something more sinister, that was out of the ordinary. A fairly British dude telling a unique British story. However, I don't think there is an awful lot to say here that isn't quickly expanded upon later in the episode or that won't be best served talking about elsewhere.
So let's get to the more interesting bit of this case. For those of you not from here, or a little too young to remember, the reason it's all so authentically British is because Mr. Bonzo is TMP's version of Mr. Blobby. A very real TV show mascot from the 90's. A lot of what was just discussed in that interview is lifted from Mr. Blobby's real history. He first appeared on a Saturday night variety show called Noel's House Party in its "Gotcha" segment. He was first introduced as a children's TV character to prank unsuspecting celebrities. He got very popular and became a mainstay of the series, became a huge icon at the time, launched a fairly massive range of merchandise, plans to create a Mr. Blobby theme park happened, and he even had a chart topping single. Blobby was a big deal and still pops up a fair amount. He didn't do any murders that we know of, and no one dressed as him to kill either. There is also this which I think everyone should watch to better prepare themselves for Mr. Bonzo, or to soothe the horrors he's already inflicted.
Colin's back! He's still weird! Not much to say here but it's nice to see him and Celia interact.
Next up were hear Alice and Sam, via Sam's phone, exploring the damp ruins of the Magnus Institute. There isn't a whole lot to say in this portion of their exploration but it's nice to see them outside of work again.
Gwen's section of this episode was really the standout IMO. Anusia is killing it and continues to kill it more and more each episode. I think Gwen is now my #2 blorbo. Colin had an early lead with a great email but is more of a background character at the moment. I am really excited to see how Gwen is going to react to this down the line. Whether the abject terror of meeting Bonzo is going dissuade her from pursuing Lena's job or further stoke that fire. I also wonder if she's going to assume what a lot of us are assuming. That the more recent Bonzo related murders are perpetrated by Bonzo, and that the envelope she gave him was his next target, which further plays into the golem references. Can't wait to hear more about what his role is in regards to the OIAR.
But no one could possibly replace Mr. Bonzo as #1 and I'm sure we can all see why this episode. Just everything about how he's being handled is perfect. A lot of history to ground him, incredibly ambiguous origins, his teeth are not soft, topped off with one of the most impactful "screen presence" of the entire TMA cast. Everything I was hoping for.
For those not a part of the ARG, and not a part of the Statement Remains discord server for it, Mr. Bonzo quickly became a massive fixture of basically everything that happened on that server. It's where my blog's name is from. Which is to say Mr. Bonzo has been a HEAVILY anticipated character and has had no small amount of hype built up around him. RQ have managed to deliver on that and then some. It's really pretty amazing he's managed to show up and not be a disappointment if you were part of that crowd, but they really pulled it off.
Bonzo Fact: Did you know that Mr. Bonzo is entirely unique in all of TMA? He's the only character to have a canonical design. He's the only character we can truly behold, and his visage is glorious and awe-inspiring. He is, quite literally, more real than any other character in the show. (Ignoring historical characters we never met)
I'm sure lots of you will have seen what Mr. Bonzo looks like but for those who haven't and have missed it on my posts, it's this.
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If you checked out the links earlier, which you should have, you'll see that he's very close to Mr. Blobby. And, yes, he is kinda creepy if you're grossed out by weird mascots but he's not "Oh my god!" levels of horrifying. That's the original Mr. Bonzo, Mr. Bonzo the suit, not Mr. Bonzo the monster. This is who Gwen met.
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Which really raises a rather interesting question; when did the suit stop being just a suit? Which in turn raises a more interesting one; why did the suit stop being just a suit? It's pretty clear that Mr. Bonzo really did start off as something mundane but whatever he is now very clearly isn't.
After all that excitement we return to Alice and Sam fumbling about in a ruin. Interestingly we're no longer listening through their phone, but a tape recorder. Which is actually a fairly big deal. Not because it's a TMA thing but because it's an analogue format that's not being digitised. So far that's not been something we've been able to listen through. Which means "Freddy" has some tricks up its sleeves, or "Freddy" isn't the one listening. The actual contents of this part isn't terribly important for the most part. Archivist's office, worms and trapdoors for an allusion to TMA, mystical symbols maybe, lots of books, etc. The real revelation here is "why they chose us… why they didn’t choose me". Likely confirming that the contents of CHDB (see masterdoc) was mostly the first step. Sam "failed" and wasn't chosen for whatever came next. It also likely confirms that Gerry wasn't chosen either as the two had remarkably similar test scores. Anyway, after that they call it quits and head on home.
Now, if you weren't reading the transcript's you'll have missed the introduction to a new character, [Error] played by Beth Eyre who voiced Lucia Wright from MAG 130: Meat. As Alice and Sam leave a padlock rattles on a trapdoor before a key twists and the lock pops open. The trapdoor opens and [Error] emerges. Very very little to really say here. Imprisonment below the Institute probably isn't a good sign, and they're the likely immortal overarching villain of either this season, or the show in general. But combined with strange PoV on those events, what was likely a mystical prison, and it being under the Institute that was burned down for a reason it's not good news. Unless it was burned down to free them, then who knows.
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Incident/CAT#R#DPHW Master Sheet (I added the Magnus Institute's child psych eval. sheet to it)
Somewhat notably here CAT1RB2275 is also very close to the trailer's case number of CATIRB2275.
DPHW Theory: 2275 is actually a pretty interesting number. For clarity this refers to only the initial recording that Celia heard, not anything related to Mr. Bonzo beyond that. 2 in Death is pretty reasonable as the statement brings the subject of murders up but doesn't dwell on them much. 2 in Pain falls under the same explanation. The 7 in Helplessness tracks well too because not only was the format of the interview a bit of a gotcha, but the content dealt heavily with imprisonment. Both in context to the show's premise and the legacy's impact upon his life. It was also eerie and weird and mascot-centric which is good Weird fodder.
The reason this is all so interesting is because it's possible this is an entirely mundane incident that still happens to line up well with the DPHW of Mascot (Kids). What occurred in the interview didn't seem supernatural, what was described in it also seemed mundane. It's only really the last couple of lines that hint towards something supernatural occurring but notably none of that happens in this recording itself, the details of it discussed, nor are any of the people on the recording first hand witnesses to those events and retelling them. But despite all of that the mundane occurrences of the interview still heavily reflect the supernatural ratings of the section (subsection).
CAT# Theory: CAT1. [Insert your favourite screaming reaction GIF here.] I've got no clue what to make of CAT#'s at this stage. This one wasn't particularly elucidating. Gonna be a long few weeks.
There are a couple of theories floating about that I'll briefly mention because someone will do it if I don't. The Subject/Agent/Catalyst theory presumes a lot of stuff about the OIAR I don't think holds up, and assumes they're happy to throw away information which I don't think they are. See here for more. The Person/Place/Object theory overlooks that Dolls (Watching) is CAT2, and not a place, and that Agglomeration (Miscellany) is about a collection of objects despite it taking place at Hilltop. A location only important to us listeners. If you do like those theories by all means keep liking them. I'm just not convinced by them and it seems prudent to mention that I have seen them.
R# Theory: B is right in line with what I outlined last week. Bonzo-themed murders are not overtly supernatural but they are something that definitely happened. The Klaus doc also have a few incidents with the note "Mr. B", including the only known S rank. With Gwen's reaction being so strong I think it's a good indicator that S rank's follow the pattern.
Header talk: Mascot (kids) -/- murder is just another header that seems pretty weird. The section (subsection) bit is all pretty normal but that crosslink again shows that crosslinks have very little structure to them. I'm starting to wonder if they're actually relevant at all, or pre-assigned like other elements are. They're starting to seem more and more like vibes than anything.
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wwwggu · 1 month
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Tma spoilers but
So
Rituals are stupid
They work silly
So I propose my detailed flesh ritual
I will devour 15 huge shawarmas
Eye: statement written on the shawarma
Lonely: I'll be eating alone מי שאוכל לבד מת לבד
Buried: compressed shawarma
Vast: just a huge fricking shawarma, like, the kind that makes you think oh shit what size was the animal in this
Stranger: wax shawarma
Spiral: never ending shawarma
Dark: has an empty suspiciously dark middle shawarma
Desolation: spicy enough to kill five bears shawarma
Extinction: has cement in it shawarma
Hunt: it's alive and you hunt it shawarma
Corruption: rotten shawarma
Slaughter: either slaughtered those animals shawarma, or gun shawarma
Web: an intricate system of wires forces you to eat this shawarma
End: either poisoned shawarma or the fact that it's the last shawarma :(
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trans-jon-rights · 19 days
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TMAGP 11 Notes ( stuff I wrote while i listen to the episode )
SPOILERS FOR TMAGP 11 !!!
Marked ? Sounds good.
Ooooo where is Celia ? Sounds rainy. Wait, who is Jack ? WHY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR JACK CELIA WHO IS IT ?
Oh hi Sam, hi Alice. Love you <3 blorbos
*looks at date* so the hiatus was 2 days in the podcast. Welp, time doesn't exist anyway.
As a French I feel like I have the right to criticise the horrid pronunciation of 'pain au chocolat'. Disgusting English butchering my words
Hmm where is Gwen ? Is she still with Mr not soft teeth ?
Wait, Alice was followed ? Hi 'Archie' I guess.
A CHESTER ONE !!
Ah, cemeteries, the good stuff.
A corpse ? Well conserved ? Skin ? Ship tattoo ? Sailor ? Idk what to do with that but it sure is intriguing.
So coworker is obsessing ? Hmmm...
Someone with big snake tattoo ? Big deal online ? My mind instantly go to Ink5oul in TMAGP 2 but I should recheck their description.
Okay, now I definitely got Vast/End vibes
I love how the guy does a really posh email out of spite from the other calling him unprofessional, I'd do the same.
Oh, weird dreams... interesting. Definitely Vast with the shapes in the water.
Aaaaa, paranoia. Nothing like such good ol paranoia and ominous statements.
Oooo the guy disappeared.
Cross reference cases ?
HEY SAM THOUGHT THE SAME ABOUT INK5OUL !!!
Gwen is looking terrible. The trauma is kicking in. Good.
'Debrief with Lena' you're gonna yell at the bitch for sending you to Bonzo, Gwen I'm so proud.
CELIA ! MY GIRL !
Yeah Gwen go ! Kill the bitch !
'He's one of our externals' Bonzo is WORKING FOR YOU ?
Bonzo O.I.A.R. Hitman yay
Final thoughts :
I rechecked for Ink5oul and there is DEFINITELY a huge chance it's the same person ( from TMAGP 2 : "they had an absolutely gorgeous floral serpent design running up their arm and into their neck" ).
Idk who Jack is, but there is only two 'Jack' in TMA ( Jack Barnabas from MAG 67 and Jack from MAG 173 ) so there aren't much choices, except if it's an entirely different person.
Definitely Vast/End vibes for the statement though.
And I wonder who are the other 'externals'
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officially-nothing · 2 months
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HAHAH EPISODE 07 GIVE AND TAKE YIPPEE
Spoilers for TmagP 07
- “Yeah. I mean, it’s an old system, but it could have been worse. It’s not like we’re wrestling with tape recorders and manila folders.”
Yeah, I dunno, I squealed at that.
- Also when Celia asks if you can look up specific files like every case about being buried alive and meat
- HILLTOP MENTIONED ‼️‼️🗣️🗣️
- I have a feeling we’ll be seeing more of Mr. C Clayton soon, but that’s just my brain talking and sometimes my brain doesn’t really work
- Alice called Norris a whiny little toad
- Celia is our Celia. She’s our Celia from TMA :D
- Celia recognizes Jon/Chester’s voice
- Jon wants to talk to Sam and Colin is still basically S2 Jon
+ additional Sam and Colin scuffle + damage to poor Sam’s phone :(
-Klaus saying he ‘could disappear again’. What happened to you, Klaus? What did Lena or some other person do to you the first time?
-the fact that Gwen is richer than Lena is a silly fact that Gwen could’ve possibly bought? Lena’s position? Which is a HUGE jump, but I’m just saying.
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tmagpposting · 3 months
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The Fears and TMAGP
It seems to be a pretty popular theory, or at least a popular possibility acknowledged in the community, that things will function differently than they did in TMA, and our previous categorizations won’t necessarily hold up. A lot of people seem to be split on this, and I’ve seen a lot of other content that positions episodes/incidents in TMAGP in the same framework used in TMA. I wanted to offer my two cents on this issue, after thinking about it for a while now. Basically, I don’t think TMAGP will use the same system for quite a few reasons, both logistical and lore related. Massive (like, seriously series ruining) spoilers for TMA past this point if you haven’t already listened, as well as minor ones for TMAGP up to ep. 4. 
I specifically decided to write this after seeing this post, where a lot of other people have brought up good points in the reblogs. I think we will get something different from Smirke's 14/TMA's categorization of the fears regardless of how much they've actually changed from the previous series, for a few reasons:
1. The fears have probably changed or evolved in some way, especially since the Web (at minimum) had the capacity to learn and plan, and they've already brought about one apocalypse so far. They could've changed from learning from the events of TMA, or just inherently warped from the process of being pulled from another universe and spit back out into a different one (maybe they were altered in transit by being in an extra-dimensional space, or they merged with some similar cosmic force that was already in present in TMAGP's universe when they got there, the possibilities for how this could go are basically endless and I’m honestly so excited). This change could also work really well if it came about because of some combination of the above, since these options aren’t mutually exclusive in the slightest. Personally, I really hope it involves both but highlights the first option in some way, since it'd be really fun for past listeners of TMA to see the fears get more formidable by becoming more strategic as well as see events of that series directly influence this one in such a huge way, and it wouldn't necessarily detract from the experience of new listeners if they did this subtly. Either way, I think it'd be stranger if they behaved exactly as they did in TMA, given everything that happened in the finale.
1.a. Specifically, the fears now have the explicit incentive to cooperate with each other, even if they represent "opposites" like the Buried and the Vast, because all of them must inherently be present in an apocalypse as we saw in TMA. Assuming that it still works the same way, the fears will probably work more in harmony and synthesize elements of each other more than before (even far beyond the Web influencing each in turn) because we've seen that this is a more advantageous course of action for them to take if they want to successfully complete a ritual. This is also supported by the massive amount of keywords the OIAR categorizes incidents with: categorizing incidents using various traits/specialties/calling cards from the original Smirke's 14 as they work together in various combinations would inherently create a ton of different specific keyword combinations, mathematically/logistically speaking.
2. The fears are inherently very hard to categorize as abstract inhuman forces that don't really function in a way humans innately empathize with or like humans think they should. They don't work like gods with similar cognitive processes to humans, like how a lot of avatars thought of them/wanted them to work to some extent, and they're just as willing to prey on non-human life to generate fear and sustenance, just look at the Flesh. As we saw, Smirke's list didn't fully work in the first place, since all the fears had to get pulled through to cause the apocalypse or any ritual would inherently fail, and they functioned less as 14 separate things than as 14 different organs/systems inherently connected in some way by the same nebulous conceptual body. Think of the metaphor from later in TMA with the ants in an ant farm perceiving human hands, eyes, etc. as different antagonistic entities rather than a single contiguous being (i forgot which ep this came from or which character said it, if anyone knows tell me and I'll add it in). Basically, even if they haven't changed at all from TMA, the people of TMAGP could decide on a completely different system of categorization simply because it's arbitrary at the end of the day, given how abstract and nebulous the fears have always been.
3. As several others have said, given that TMAGP is aimed to be friendly to new listeners who haven't necessarily listened to TMA before, it makes more sense to use a new system. This is good for the show for 2 reasons. First, this takes away some of the advantage TMA fans would have in the process of theorizing if everything worked the same way as it did in the previous podcast, especially since TMAGP is more interactive given its ARG element (which I am woefully uninformed on, to be fair, i have next to no idea what's going on with that aspect of the show, and if anyone knows more about how/where to get in on it, lmk). Second, it is actually more rewarding for past fans of TMA to be able to experience this theorizing process in full/from scratch without necessarily knowing major things about what’s going to happen (like how the fears will work), potentially for a second time if they were involved in theorizing about TMA as it was first being released.
4. Having a new and different system, particularly one that is less rigid and more nebulous than Smirke's 14, would work a lot better with TMAGP's emphasis on including guest writers on the show, in addition to working better in terms of the story itself as I outlined in the previous points (at least imo, though I have no experience running a project like this, so this is HIGHLY speculative on my part). Trusting a ton of other people to follow specific rules and emulate Smirke's 14 in a way that feels authentic to TMA, when that was almost totally written and conceived of by Jonny on his own, seems like it would be really difficult to pull off without ensuring each guest writer is also intimately familiar with TMA and/or incorporating a ton of editing and oversight to change episodes to fit better with TMA lore after they're initially written. It could definitely be done, but I think it'd be pretty hard, and it seems like it'd create a lot of redundancy and potentially wasted effort for the editors and producers of the show as well as the guest writers.
If anyone sees something I missed or didn’t touch on, please add on to this post, and if you have evidence to the contrary I’d be interested to see that, too. I’m really interested to hear the fandom’s thoughts on this overall, since it’s an issue I’ve seen coming up in the background a lot lately, but I haven’t seen a post explicitly addressing it yet.
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gaspriceboner · 5 months
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BIG HUGE TMA SPOILER AHEAD
I made a cursed ass video because of a meme floating around
Enjoy…
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elijah-loyal · 3 months
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holy fucking shit the way i actually physically GAGGED at, "image removed by moderator; canaries should stay above ground," is INSANE
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ty-bayonet-betteridge · 6 months
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the simurgh could have been so cool. she could have been so cool and they wasted her
the explanation given for how the simurghs manipulation power works is that shes an extremely powerful telepath and precog and shes able to set people up in such a way that they inevitably take the actions that lead to mass casualties and destruction. shes supposed to be a puppetmaster/chessmaster type. and i have a REAL weakness for those. but she isnt very effective at filling that trope and that makes me SO MAD
the hallmark of good manipulation in fiction is that the character cant tell they're being manipulated but the audience, if they think about it, can. take The Magnus Archives for instance, as a piece of media that plays with this trope heavily. (heavy TMA spoilers through the finale inbound!) when Jonah Magnus causes Jon to initiate the Eyepocalypse, its done in a way that feels like all characters involved are acting in a way that seems to follow naturally from their previous actions. Jonah is creating this ritual in order to gain immortality. Jon sets out to stop him out of guilt for having participated. both of those motivations make sense. its only when you take a step back and consider where those motivations originated that you hit some interesting roadblocks, such as "why does Jon feel so culpable for an event that he was tricked into instigating?" that you can peel back a few layers and discover that large portions of this event were actually arranged by the Web. but the characters are oblivious to this, until it is spelled out.
good manipulation is good from a narrative standpoint because it shows what the character being manipulated is REALLY capable of. it follows logically, and those moments reveal hidden truths about the character being manipulated, allowing us to learn more about them, because the actions they've been manipulated into ARE in character for them.
the Simurgh doesnt do that. her manipulation doesnt set us up to learn anything more about the initial characterization of the individual, because it practically OVERWRITES that individual. i can only think of three major examples of the simurghs manipulation, so pardon if im missing something, but:
she manipulates Cody, aka Perdition, into being slightly more aggressive towards his friends. this causes him to be ousted from their group, which causes him to be acquired by Accord and subsequently sold to the Yàngbǎn. because of their cultish rules and Codys problems with authority, he comes to resent Accord for putting him in this position, and bcomes murderously violent towards him upon seeing him again, leading to him disabling much of the command station in the battle at Delhi, causing unknown extra causalties to Behemoth. while this one is closest to being good manipulation from a narrative standpoint, it still falls short because it doesnt REVEAL anything. Cody being angry, resenting his friends and especially Krouse, and chafing under authority are all evident from his first few appearances. there's no information gained about his character during this exchange, and it prevents him from having anything resembling a character arc. he doesnt get resolution, to find a community where he belongs or to realize hes happy being without one - he gets an interlude where we hear that he Fucking Hates All Of This Shit and then boils over and kills some important people out of personal anger. that's his most important contribution to the story - being angry enough to act like an idiot and validate the bad things that Krouse had been saying about him.
she manipulates Krouse and Noelle into feeling so trapped that they feel they have no choice but to take the Cauldron power vials, leading to Noelle taking the halfdose that gives her her Echidna powers. that by itself is fine. where this one falls off the deep end is in making Echidna a separate force to Noelle's own motivations. Noelle doesnt end up destroying huge swathes of Brockton Bay and indirectly revealing the truth about Cauldron because it made sense for her to do so as a character - she does it because she, as a character, literally gets replaced with a different, more reckless, more destructive character. its lazy and tells us NOTHING, actively LESS THAN NOTHING - to the point where Noelle has less characterization than most of the other Travellers despite having ao much screen time. Echidna is a fine character, but the Simurgh doesnt set up the dominoes for Noelles motivations to BECOME Echidnas motovations - she sets them up for Noelles motivations to be SUBSUMED by Echidnas.
and then there's Mannequin, and this one is EGREGIOUS. do i even have to spell it out? alan gramme is a cool character who gets traumatized, and then wildbow decides that being traumatized makes him so murderously insane that he BECOMES A DIFFERENT PERSON ENTIRELY. not only is that deeply insulting to the traumatized and mentally ill - who are, in my experience, onaverage NOT violently murderous - it also doesnt give us any info on Alan Gramme, the character. Alans motivations are to make the world a better place. Mannequins motivations are... to lash out at people who are making the world a better place? because he feels that he failed in doing so? it doesn't follow logically. a better Alan would have been one who gave up on trying to affect the world, instead retreating fully into himself, or one who decided his previous methods weren't working and instead starts engaging in more extreme methods. mannequin couldve been an ecoterrorist if his arc followed logically from Alan's but instead he decides to start killing his former allies. and THAT is not good manipulation
tl;dr the Simurgh's influence has a tendency to replace the affected character with what is, in all respects, just a Different Character. its lazy writing, because it means that Wildbow doesnt have to think abiut hiw a characters real values and morals get corrupted into causing destruction - he just transplants in new morals and uses the Simurgh to justify it. and its BAD writing, which is a much worse crime than being lazy, because it essentially chops off any chance the character had of having a real arc where we get to see them progress naturally - instead they reach an artificial cutoff point and then their character stops mattering to the story as they become someone else instead.
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anthroposeen · 8 days
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i just binged s1 of red valley today (i put off starting new media so bad, im sorry!!) and it is SO good! i haven't seen any spoilers before i started and, like i did with tma, i wont be looking it up or searching for fandom content until i finish/get caught up on my own, so i have so many thoughts buzzing around!
general comments/thoughts so far (spoilers!):
- i went into this with no context or spoilers other than the knowledge it involved cryogenics and hypersleep, so i had no idea the characters were british, theres an archivist, and they were going to be recording on some analog equipment. i swear this was unintentional. i am just naturally drawn to this sort of thing for some reason
- i think im following it pretty well, its pretty fast-paced so im scared ill miss important details, but so far ive managed to put 2 and 2 together :)
- the briony/karen reveal was a huge shock to me!! i loved it that was so good!!! and before that karen had been my favorite character so i had to pause the episode and take a walk to vent
- if anything happens to gordon im killing everyone in the room and then myself (if anything happens PLEASE dont tell me! im going zero contact w any content until im caught up!)
- i actually really like gordon's band, and i need to find metal covers of christmas music now
- the soundscaping is absolutely incredible!!! just everything from the mundane noises like car upholstery to the transition music to the gore sound effects is so on point and immersive
-im scared to comment on warren at all yet. i figured that he was a subject in the experiment and that he had already been under hypersleep, but hes already such a complex character i have no real idea where this will go? im fascinated by his arc so far though and i hope he doesnt go mike myers on gordon when he wakes up
im gonna start s2 today, and if i finish ill give another review/run-down! really really obsessed w it so far :)
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