#httyd berserkers

[noctusfury]

What Would Have Happened if Stoick Slew Dagur? (Riders of Berk)

Hello, fellow Furians! Welcome to another HTTYD article! Today, we'll dive into the what-if scenario that could've happened in the Riders of Berk episode "Twinsanity".

In this scene, Stoick was clearly about to end the Berserker Dynasty right then and there, until DreamWorks Hiccup and the Gang came along and interrupted it with their fake "Dragon Raid" forcing the Berserkers to retreat.

Thus, the question is this: What would've happened if he had succeeded or failed in doing so had he NOT been interrupted?

Obviously, of course, there would've been war between Berk and Berserk. Reason for this is that there would be witnesses who'd see Stoick strike Dagur down from behind. There are four Berserk Guards who are with Dagur (as seen below).

There's a risk of the one who's not encumbered with a task — and is closest in proximity to Dagur — intercepting Stoick's strike. However, when Stoick closes the distance with Dagur, the other guards, along with Dagur himself, are far too preoccupied with Barf and Belch to notice Stoick's actions. So it's possible that Stoick could easily succeed in assassinating Dagur.

However, it's what happens afterward that's important. The guards would've seen Stoick slay their chieftain and will want to exact vengeance. Of course, as we know, the moment Stoick slays Dagur, Hiccup and the Gang come in with their fake dragon raid on the Berserkers. There might be a 5-10% chance that Stoick, depending on the timing and the Berserker's POV, might get away with it if the Berserkers immediately focus from Barf and Belch to the other dragons without noticing Dagur's fall. But I doubt that Dagur would go down without a fight or without making any sound, hence why the percentage is so low.

So we will continue with the assumption that the Berserkers saw Stoick slay their chieftain. Stoick and the others would have to deal with them, or else they'll report this to the armada waiting near Berk's docks.

Of course, if Berk fails to cover their assassination up, they'll immediately have to deal with an entire armada of angry Berserkers. Even if the Berkians are battle-hardened and every person who can hold a weapon is recruited and the dragons join in the fight, and even if the majority of the Berserkers haven't seen many battles or wars, it can't be denied that the Berserkers have been well-trained and are, of course, Berserkers. It'll still be a very difficult fight. There will be severe casualties on both sides. In the end, though, Berk will probably pull through this with a victory in the end. But at what cost? It'd be a conflict that could've been easily avoided, and Berk suffered losses that it can ill afford to take when they're still fighting with the Outcasts — with little gains to show for it. And there's no guarantee that the conflict will even end there.

So, in summary, if Stoick wasn't interrupted and succeeded in ending Dagur, he'll need to get rid of the guards as well. This will be pretty easy since they have the dragons, and they can easily make it look like a dragon raid killed them and hopefully Berk can relax and keep an alliance with Berk, while Berserk is reeling from their chief's death and busy running around killing as many dragons as they can. And — even better — Berk could masquerade this as something that Alvin, an Outcast, did and can better solidify Berserk's involvement in Berk's war against the Outcasts.

So yeah, so long as the Berserkers don't look too closely at the bodies, the Berkians would have a pretty good chance at getting away with it.

What do you guys think? What would've happened had Stoick went with his plan? Do you think that Berk would've been able to get away with it? Or would it end up sinking in defeat, with Alvin taking advantage of the chaos? Tell me your thoughts!

Thank you for reading! I hope you found this article intriguing and I'll see you in the next article.

Long Live the Night!

— Noctus Fury

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[howtodrawyourdragon]

Thinking of how Hiccup is just getting adopted left and right in Race to the Edge.

He's already Toothless' soulmate, but then the twins want to make him an honorary Thorston/suggest becoming an honorary Haddock, Tuffnut tries to give his position as Ruffnut's twin brother to him, Dagur continues to call him his brother, and the dynamic between him, Hiccup, and Heather is definitely sibling-like.

It's just sweet to see Hiccup, an only child, find so many friends who want to double as siblings.

#httyd movies #rtte #race to the edge #hiccup haddock #toothless #hicctooth #ruffnut thorston #tuffnut thorston #hiccup and the dragon riders #dagur the deranged #heather #the berserker siblings

[violet-moonstone]

#rtte #race to the edge #httyd #how to train your dragon #rtte screenshots #hiccup #hiccup haddock #something rotten on berserker island

[revive-the-fandom]

Compiling some designs for fic purposes.

Berk:

Berserkers:

Outcasts:

Drago:

Hunters:

Flyers:

#httyd #rtte #rob/dob #berk #berserkers #the outcasts #drago bludvist #dragon hunters #dragon flyers

[eemoo1o-tfrmoo]

Much Ado About Snotknuckles:

Something Rotten on Berserker Island (5x03) is a completely underrated episode, especially amongst Snotlout fans. Like, even if you’re not much of Gustav or Dagur fan, it’s great as just a Snotlout episode. Such examples (though most do include him and Gustav):

Snotlout constantly sassing Gustav and saving him from falling. He also just manages to lift him up effortlessly by one arm, with one arm. (Man, this man’s strength really fluctuates depending on the plot.)

Snotlout’s (perceived) incompetence completely vanishing when placed in a situation of danger and shifted power dynamic similarly to how he is when placed with the twins, only far stronger.

Snotlout calls the dragons “war machines” again and, in a sassy, aggressive way, attempts to sate Gustav’s nerves when he expresses that it’s different without Fanghook by (indirectly) empathising by name dropping Hookfang.

Snotlout saying “grow some hair on that barren chest if yours” while the camera is in a position for us to see all the hair on his own chest. This is a metaphor.

Snotlout immediately using himself as a distraction against the coup’s guards so that Gustav may escape, whereas if he were with the other riders he probably would have been the last one to volunteer.

When Gustav calls for Snotlout’s help after immediately being captured by some guards, Snotlout without complaint immediately defeats the guards that were chasing him to go help.

Snotlout conceiving a trap for the guards (and successfully fooling one into setting it off) to break Gustav out of jail.

Bonus:

Snotlout not correcting Dagur when he gets his name wrong and only silently seething over not getting much attention or duly credit due to his gargantuan man-crush (or just outright crush) on him.

Snotlout finally correcting Dagur and standing up for himself before they’re about to go into battle with Savage’s men.

Dagur and Snotlout going into battle with Dagur commenting “Two against twenty” and Snotlout saying “Could be worse.”

This man is an excellent warrior, brother, and man-whore.

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[sarnai4]

Betrayal

I was going to make this a fun post, but then I discovered that there are Dagur gifs on here and...yeah, that light topic didn't happen. So, here goes a little sad something.

I think these frames of animation are very interesting. Actually, this entire scene is to me. It's in "The Night and the Fury" and is right after Dagur learns that Hiccup lied. I love how this occurred because it would have been so easy to just have him be like, "You have dragons? Okay, now I'm about to kill you." They didn't do that, though. Even as Dagur is connecting the dots, he harps on the fact that a lie was told. "Your father lied to me...YOU lied to me!" If you go back to Dagur's threat from "Twinsanity," he never even said that he'd attack Berk if they had dragons. He specifically said he would if he found out they did after they denied it. Technically speaking, Dagur could have attacked immediately if he wanted to, but he still had the intention of keeping the peace. These expressions in the gif are right after he says, "You could've been my brother, Hiccup. Now, you're my enemy." When he says this, he actually sounds sad. His expressions match that. Dagur, Mr. Gets Angry At The Drop Of A Helmet didn't immediately respond with rage. He's hurt and I think I know why.

Dagur doesn't perceive things like other Vikings to put it lightly. When he has his first episode, he's talking about how he and Hiccup had great laughs after he tries to drown the poor Berkian. He calls Hiccup his old friend when they see each other again in the episode with the gif. I think he genuinely believes this. For the strange things Dagur does, he doesn't see it. So, it's not just someone lying to him, it's his best, his ONLY friend lying to him and making him looking like a cool in front of his tribe. That's why he sounds sad instead of angry. That's why he has to look away and think through what his next move is. Yes, he attacks, but what are his options?

Hiccup doesn't give him any more time to think. He tries to leave with Toothless, so Dagur has to act then. Regarding his options, they all are bleak. If he attacks, then you have war and what we got. The alternative is that he doesn't then, right? Well, that's not great either. As soon as he gets back to his ship, one of the Berserkers says that he wants to kill Hiccup himself. Dagur has to make it clear that no one besides himself will go after Hiccup. This shows how the Berserkers really can be vengeful. They're not even an aggressive group (as shown in "Something Rotten on Berserker Island"), but they have tempers. So, if Dagur holds onto the friendship that he just realized didn't exist, he has to go back with his tail between his legs and admit not only that he was played, but that he doesn't want to do anything about it.

Dagur already was worried that no one would respect him as chief. They never would if they found out he was tricked and didn't even want to get revenge for it. He would be the young chief who was too foolish to see through lies and too weak to defend his people in case the liar decided to lie again and actually attack. So, yes, Dagur attacked. Was it a mistake? Oh most definitely. He could've caused the deaths of many people and was arrested for this. So, I'm not saying that Dagur is in the right for his war, but I'm saying that I don't think it's a black and white as the show tried to portray. We see it from Hiccup's perspective with Dagur being this wild kid who just likes killing. Dagur's so much more than just some angry or deranged Viking. I just wish we got to see more of his side of things.

#HTTYD #RTTE #Dagur the Deranged #Theories #Berserker Life #False Friends

[rosiethedragongeek]

Snotlout in ‘Something Rotten on Berserker Island’: Dagur can’t even get my name right :(((

Also Snotlout in the same episode: Guster Gustat Gustegg Gusto Gusteronimo Gust-

#something rotten on berserker island #snotlout jorgenson #snotlout #race to the edge #rtte #rosie's httyd brainrot

[000marie198]

Dagur: "And you carry-! A shield?"

Hiccup: "Yeah yeah. Just a shield. Just a plain old shield."

Dagur: "Very... ornate. My sister had one just like that."

In RTTE, when Heather is reminiscing about what she remembers of her birth father, she mentions about the shield, saying something along the lines of, "He would sometimes let me play with his shield".

And during her flashback, we see her playing with said shield and Dagur running around being his deranged self in the background.

I find it endearing how that shield is the one thing both siblings recall vividly from when they weren't yet separated.

#httyd #httyd rob #httyd dob #defenders of berk #rtte spoilers #riders of berk spoilers #dreamworks dragons #httyd race to the edge #race to the edge #httyd rtte #httyd heather #httyd dagur #dagur the deranged #heather the unhinged #hiccup haddock #berserker siblings #why isn't this a tag?! #dob live blog

[wickedcriminal]

What do you think Hiccup the younger's relationship is like with his niece and nephew, Zephyr and Nuffink? He lowkey looks like one of those fun uncle who lets the kids get away with alot of things. Also Zeph and Nuff are going to be so confused that their dad and uncle share the same first name lol 😂

Younger ADORES those kids. And he comes in a package of three, so Elder's kids not only get Uncle Hiccup, they also get Uncle Fish and Aunt Cami <3

They spoil those kids. Little Fish loves to take them on walks and naps and the kids pick up the bad habit of ankle-biting from their dear aunt Camicazi <3 And Minicup definitely lets them get away with a lot of things, using the royalty card to justify it, of course

He'll teach them dragonese, too, because these kids get to grow up around dragons!

The kids are certainly confused as to why Hiccup and Hiccup share the same name, but they call Elder "dad" anyway so it's not too life changing, lmao. If anything they're going to be mixing up the Fishlegses names! Probably have to call one "uncle Fish" and the other "uncle Legs", lmao!

#httyd #httyd au #half brothers au #hiccup horrendous haddock lll #zephyr haddock #nuffink haddock #book hiccup #book fishlegs #camicazi #these kids are STACKED in the family department #their mom and dad are the chiefs of the tribe #their father's brother is the literal king of the archipelago #dagur is the king (chief) of the defenders of the wing and heather is chief of berserk #little fish is chief of the no-names and camicazi is heir to the bog-burglars #ruff tuff and ingerman are senior dragon riders #and grandma valhallarama is a famous viking hero and grandma valka is a feral dragon whisperer #NOT TO MENTION THE EXTENDED DRAGON FAMILY #they've got Big Tooth (alpha of Berk's flock) and his mate Luna (the literal king of dragons) #the nightlights (brand new breed of dragon) and Little Tooth (one of the rarest dragons on earth) #LIKE. WHAT A FAMILY TREE TO BE BORN INTO.

[otwdfanfic]

Tryggir Vandillson in Once There Were Dragons: Into the Polar Night

#httyd #how to train your dragon #httyd oc #rtte #race to the edge #dagur the deranged #heather #berserker oc #Tryggir vandillson #character design #berserker island #tryggir

[doofus-and-dragons]

As stated in my last post, I've been having sibling thoughts about Dagur, Heather, and Hiccup. My last post was about cannon. This one is about an au where everything is the same, but Hiccup grew up on Berserker Island as Dagur's baby brother (this is purely self-indulgent so please don't come at me).

The events of the first movie are largely the same (Dagur doesnt get a dragin because he wants a rare and ferocious one like his brother), with a few exceptions.

Instead of being bullied by his Berserker peers, Hiccup is largely ignored (this is due less to the fact that he's the chief's son, and more because Dagur is over protective of his little brother).

Hiccup is, however, bullied by the kids of Berk when his family goes to sign the treaty. Dagur is the heir, so he learns how to be diplomatic. During these times is when the others (mostly Snotlout and maybe the twins) strike.

If Dagur isn't with their Dad, the twins try to find a way to separate them so they can torment Hiccup.

After the first movie, their Dad goes missing and Dagur takes the title of chief. He tells people he killed his father, and begs Hoccup not to say anything. Hiccup agrees, but watches as chiefdom makes his brother,well, more deranged. He tries to stay and help his brother, but he also has things to do for dragons.

Hiccup goes to Berk (being their main allies, although shakey) and helps them learn to live at peace with the dragons as well. Stoick gives him the academy and Hiccup goes back and forth from Berk and Berserker Island.

When he's home, he spends as much time with his brother as he can. But his brother's deteriorating mental state is taking a toll on him as well.

When Dagur is locked up, Hiccup stays on Berk.

The events of rtte happen much the same as they do in cannon, with the addition of angst because Dagur was at one time Hiccup's hero. Now he's fighting against him.

When he finds out who Heather is, the reunion happens with a little more emotion.

Heather thought Hiccup was Stoick's son, so that also adds a layer.

"Stoick the Vast gave this horn to Oswald the agreeable when his newborn daughter was born. Heather, you were that daughter. Heather, you're our sister."

"W-what do you mean our?"

"Oh? Did you neglect to tell her that, brother?"

"...I'm not Stoick's son. Im Dagur's little brother. I was born after you were lost."

Dagur wants her to choose a brother.

For plot reasons (mainly to take down whatever operation Dagur is running with the Hunters), Heather joins Dagur. This hurts Hiccup, but he pushes it to the wayside (typical hiccup).

Pretty much the events of rtte happen the exact same way but with added layers.

Heather still joins the riders, but Hiccup has to spend a little more time earning her trust since he never told her he was related to Dagur.

The whole "Heather spends most of Dagur's redemption arch wanting to kill Dagur" still happens because I love Hiccup holding her back from committing murder.

Also, with Hiccup being the youngest in the family, he's free to pursue his intrest in dragons! He doesn't have the weight of chiefdom hanging over his head!

I'm not going to go through the whole show because that's 6 seasons of dagur-hiccup-heather content I have to sift through and I don't have the energy to do so. But you see where I'm coming from. I think it's a cute idea. I might do something with this later but for now I'm tired.

#httyd #hiccup and toothless #hiccup haddock #httyd rtte #hiccup horrendous haddock lll #hiccup rtte #how to train your dragon #rtte dagur #dagur the deranged #httyd dagur #heather rtte #heather httyd #heather the unhinged #theyre siblings your honor #berserker!hiccup #hiccup is a berserker #feral hiccup end game #feral hiccup #let hiccup be a feral dragon boy

[noctusfury]

Here's a link to my recent HTTYD article called [What Would've Happened Had Stoick Slain Dagur?]. It was a very fun topic to discuss about the what-if scenario of Stoick not having been interrupted in slaying Dagur in order to save Barf & Belch, which, of course, had the potential in risking all-out war with the Berserkers.

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[howtodrawyourdragon]

I think Hiccup is more like Dagur and Heather than we give him credit for, simply because he does tend to become obsessed with certain things, too.

Dagur has obvious obsessive traits. He starts a whole war just to get to Hiccup because he betrayed him and then spends a whole three years after that war thinking about getting back at him. All because of a personal slight.

Heather also has this trait and it shows itself when she's obsessed with her quest for vengeance. And I do mean the word "obsessed" because at some point, she puts her life as well as Windshear's life in danger in a mission to kill Dagur, a mission in which she saw ahead of time she was outnumbered, Hiccup told her she was outnumbered, and she still decided to take the risk. Which ended in Heather immediately being overwhelmed. And despite her recklessness almost costing her Windshear and her life, Heather still asked the Dragon Riders for help behind Hiccup's back. She probably wouldn't have even been there to go behind his back if it wasn't for Hiccup saving her life.

And then, after all of that, she would even infiltrate the Hunters by pretending to be their ally just to get close to Dagur.

Not to mention that Heather came into RttE sinking ships (not caring who they belonged to) and even hurting the Dragon Riders to avoid being seen only to later capture and hurt them again (Astrid especially when she and Dagur infamously keep her awake, which is an actual real life torture method) all in the name of keeping her cover.

So you may be thinking... Okay, but how is Hiccup, of all people, similar to them?

Well, the most obvious example is when Hiccup grows obsessed with dragons. He does it to the point that he can neglect other people and things in his life.

And then he obsesses again in RttE when Viggo shows up, to the point that Astrid and Fishlegs had to bargain for one single day off and the dragons getting infected by a grimoras was mistaken for a rebellion caused by Hiccup's actions. Even Dagur noticed Hiccup nursing the seed of revenge and warned him not to let him consume him.

So yeah... Berserker siblings indeed.

#httyd movies #rob #riders of berk #dob #defenders of berk #rtte #race to the edge #hiccup haddock #heather #dagur the deranged #the berserker siblings

[violet-moonstone]

#httyd #how to train your dragon #rtte #race to the edge #rtte screenshots #something rotten on berserker island

[artinandwritin]

@otwdfanfic the itpn trio has been on my mind today and mainly Zeph and Baldur (Zeph deserves some Baldur time pls give it to her <333)

So a little warm up!! It might not be perfect cuz today wasn't a good art day but! I love them a lot (and i loved doodling a lil Nuffink in the bg the grumpy lil thing)

#the zephbal implications my beloved... #i will be absolutely devastated if this trio (and bjorn and eret) don't get a happy ending #they deserve it!!! #anyway theyre sm fun to me #just two grumpy siblings and their emotional support excited berserker #they have my heart #httyd #how to train your dragon #artinandwritin's art

[eemoo1o-tfrmoo]

Something about how Snotlout says “I’ve got you” after catching Gustav from falling <3

#not ship. never ship. screw you if you ship (this) #httyd #race to the edge #gustav larson #snotlout jorgenson #something rotten on berserker island #original post #queue