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000marie198 · 5 months

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The fact that the Httyd gang knows about the effect of dragon nip but they are never seen using it on any dragons throughout the franchise unless it's like a last resort or an emergency to stop extremely out of control, hostile dragons. They know that grass is like a drug for the dragons so they never use it against them even to try and train them. As if it is against their moral code to try the easiest way to tame any dragon.

Like, these kids know all these little perks about dragons that Hiccup learned in the first movie. The dragon nip, eels, moving spot of light, specific disabling scratch spots etc. And none of them uses these to befriend or train any dragons throughout the course of the franchise! Dragon nip is an emergency last resort for when they encounter a super aggressive dragon, eels are an absolute no, nobody used shiny laser light spot on any dragons post Httyd 1.

No, they befriend the dragons with trust. They'll only give a dragon scratches after asking permission that is telegraphed in their body language.

The riders respect dragons and there are so many little subtle things which show how they never treat these incredible amazing beings as if they are animals, they always treat them as individuals. As equals.

I love Httyd so much like you have no idea.

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saturnniidae · 1 month

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I'm perfectly aware that (other than being part of his general sense of humor) sarcasm was a sort of defense mechanism for Hiccup, one that he used less and less as he got older and became better at defending himself physically as well as not needing to bc.. yknow, he's not a social outcast anymore, but they really couldn't let him stay sassy??? Like I'll never not be devastated at how he mellowed out with age

#and ik its also like. maturity but still :((#let him be rude let him be snarky #like he still is in rtte but not nearly as much #its like his uhm fucking freckles whyd it fade eith age dreamworks wtf #httyd #hiccup haddock #rtte #httyd rob #hiccup horrendous haddock iii #rob/dob #moth.txt #anyways this is why httyd1 era hiccup is the best objectively....#like seriously hes so fucking funny especially in rob/dob bro did NOT hold back 💀

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iswateredible · 7 months

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sketches I was gonna turn into a comic

Tennage Dagur keeps flirting with Hiccup and sending surprisingly well taken outfit pictures

#modern au #goth/punk au #httyd #httyd rob #rob #dob #how to train your dragon #dagur #dagur the deranged #dagur x hiccup #dagcup #hiccup horrendous haddock iii #HTTYD Hiccup #hiccup #tuffnut thorston #traditional art #fan art

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nartml · 4 months

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Toothless (and generally most dragons) lost all his personality in thw.

Gone was the loyal, protective, intelligent, curious, silly, expressive, understanding, and sassy/snarky dragon we adored more and more through each new installment in the franchise.

Who is this puppy in thw and what did he do to Toothless?

Look me in the eye and tell me that if anyone, dragon or not, was to pluck Hiccup off his back and send him into the ocean to die, they wouldn't get a minimum of two blasts in the face.

Yes, Toothless is playful and silly and adorable, but only around the people/dragons he trusts, and especially around Hiccup specifically.

Otherwise, his guard is up, he is wary, and he himself has to evaluate whether or not someone is safe to be around.

"Hey, I guess Dean dumbed him down because he wanted to show the effects of domestication—"

Woah there, big words.

Domestication? The definition of domestication is "the process of taming an animal and keeping it as a pet or on a farm".

That is not what's happening on Berk.

Dragons were never pets to humans. (If anything, humans were their pets.)

They stood by the Vikings' sides out of their own volition, and were free to come and go as they pleased.

We see this clearly in GoTNF.

They wouldn't let a human they didn't trust so much as touch them, let alone allow them anywhere near their backs.

They are the ones that choose their riders, or if they even want one, not the other way around.

And they weren't exactly "tamed" either. Or rather, nobody tried to alter their nature and innate instincts.

In RoB, we clearly see that Vikings are the ones who adjust, who adapt accordingly, because dragons are gonna do what dragons do.

And those instincts of theirs were honed. They weren't tamed, they were trained.

The notion that wild dragons are more powerful because they're wild makes no sense to me, because while wild dragons have raw power and raw instinct, trained dragons arguably have more than that.

They learn to work with other dragons, and they're able to pull off some incredible moves, because their bodies are, well, consistently trained.

They go on dangerous missions on the regular, for fuck's sake. During which, they also have to think. The dragons aren't told what to do, nor are they steered by their riders constantly (and when they are, the dragons trust them to do so)

They can take the reins as well (and when they do, the riders trust them to do so), but most of the time, they both move together in sync, understanding what, and how it, needs to be done.

In what world would such a lifestyle weaken them, or threaten to erase their aforementioned instincts?

I don't get Dean's point.

And Hiccup? What's up with the poor decision making?

Because I know damn well Hiccup wouldn't let dragons take over Berk to the point where, within the first ten minutes of the movie , half of it collapses. An event which apparently everyone is used to, because nobody worries about it.

He put an ocean between Garff and a couple of dragons because of how incompatible they were, in terms of needs and way of life.

He relocated dragons constantly, so as not to overcrowd and/or to protect the Edge.

Even when he was, what, 15 in RoB/DoB, he was mindful of the way he handled situations, to ensure Berk and the Vikings wouldn't be overwhelmed with dragons.

He understood that it's impossible for thousands of dragons to cohabitate with humans, and with each other, peacefully and without chaos.

Not to mention, he respected dragon culture and understood that some spaces were not made for the human eye. He made such a big deal about revering Vanaheim, and you expect me to believe he'd be okay with just exposing a place called The Hidden World, a delicate draconic paradise?

And wow, way to go, let's uproot the ENTIRE village, and go searching for this place that we don't even know for sure exists? Yes, very responsible.

And why not just make a life-changing call without consulting anyone, or thinking it through, based on what you alone think is best, while you're at it? Sounds like a great idea.

It's not like in previous installments he always made sure to have a team huddle to discuss (or at least inform the group of) their next move, even in the tightest of spots and with the littlest time; no, of course not.

His leadership abilities, his tactical and strategic thinking, his caution, his conviction and determination? Gone. Erased.

Who is this guy in thw and what did he do to Hiccup?

And as for Toothless and Hiccup's dynamic in this movie, something that Astrid said bugs me to an unfathomable degree.

"You gave him his freedom back, what did you expect?"

Woah there, big talk.

This paints a horribly ugly picture. It makes Toothless seem like he'd been held captive by Hiccup, that if he could've flown on his own, he would never have stuck around this long.

Which, much like the rest of this movie, is a load of horseshit.

Toothless is just as free, if not free-er than, as the rest of the dragons. Because while all dragons love and trust their riders, and vice versa, nobody has a connection quite like Toothless and Hiccup (save for perhaps Valka and Cloudjumper).

Toothless could've been flying on his own for a long, long time now. But he didn't want it. He was vehemently opposed to the idea.

Why? Because to him, flying was no longer worth it if Hiccup wasn't right there with him. Because Hiccup took the loneliness out of flying. Because Toothless wanted nothing more than to be by Hiccup's side. Hiccup was the one that made flying worth it.

A major theme of this movie is learning to fly on your own. Toothless had to learn how to fly without Hiccup, and Hiccup had to learn how to fly without Toothless (I mean, personally I'd rather them remaining inseparable soulmates that are mildly codependent. I recognize it's not necessarily the healthiest dynamic, but fuck if I care)

Toothless did this through meeting his mate, and falling in love (no matter how horribly written and designed she is, and no matter how I personally would've preferred for the Hicctooth bromance to remain undisturbed).

He met a creature that he wanted to follow and be alone with, a creature that made flying alone, with nobody on his back, worth it.

And more importantly, Hiccup had to realize that he's not who he is because he has Toothless, and subsequently the dragons. It's the opposite.

This is growth, and the realization that they don't need each other is important.

But why the fuck does that mean they have to say goodbye?

I don't need most of the people in my life. That doesn't mean I don't want them here.

The point was that Hiccup doesn't need Toothless in order to be someone.

Not that he didn't need Toothless, period.

(Even if the point was simply that he didn't need Toothless, which I could concede to, that again doesn't mean that Toothless had to leave, and take the entire dragon population with him.

To me, that sends a message of "if you don't need them, then they gotta go".

It's not what outgrowing a friendship looks like, despite the fact that many people choose to interpret it as such.

Sure, this movie shows what outgrowing a friendship is; if outgrowing a friendship means making room in your life for other people. If outgrowing a friendship means you found romance. Which is ridiculous.)

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To further clarify:

I am well aware the shows aren't canon.

This, however, doesn't change the fact that all these series tie in with HTTYD 2 really well, and that they make sense.

They expand on the characters and give us a better grasp of the world in httyd. They allow us to understand everything better.

When you only have, at most, 150 minutes to tell a story, every minute of it needs to somehow add to the plot. To further the narrative. There is very little time for fluff.

In a movie, it's practically impossible to properly explore the characters' different dynamics, to give everyone their own arc, to let the audience bask in the slow moments and to let the characters just be.

In a series, however? Well. You've definitely got time.

For someone who only watched the movies, it would be pretty damn difficult to understand the mis-characterization in say, Snotlout, Fishlegs and the twins.

You don't know these characters that well. You don't know the well-established dynamics between the gang in the same way that someone who's watched the series does.

Which is exactly why I think that people who've watched them are the ones that dislike the hidden world the most.

I, too, am usually opposed to using non-canon material to make a point, but RoB, DoB and RTTE are the only spin-off series from a successful movie franchise I can name that make perfect sense. That succeed in accurately portraying the main cast, in realistically expanding on the secondary characters (like Fishlegs, Snotlout, and the twins, who now have the space to become part of the main cast), and in smoothly integrating new characters.

They also manage to beautifully explore this magical universe full of dragons, adventure, and mystery, while firmly establishing the dragons as an important part of ecosystems all around.

Whether it's subconscious or not, they create an unshakable image of how all the characters think, act, and interact. You spend a hell of a lot longer with the characters in a lengthy eight season series than in two movies.

But it's not a bad thing, because this image carved by the series fits in nicely with the image carved in all the canon installments of the franchise.

Well. Except for one, cough cough.

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ablatheringblatherskite · 9 months

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Just saying that, as someone who watched HTTYD when it first came out when I was five... Shipping Hiccstrid has been so rewarding. Like, watching the progress of their relationship as I grew up, rewatching the first movie on repeat, watching the first two series, then watching the sequel once it came out and seeing their relationship jump forward even further, then watching RTTE and getting to really see Hiccup and Astrid's relationship develop for real, until we finally made it to the last movie where they end up actually getting MARRIED... then then having kids!?! 😭

the fact that I got to see all that happen gradually as I grew up, practically in real time, and they never once gave me a reason to stop shipping them but instead give ALL THE REASONS TO CONTINUE DOING SO... It makes me feel kind of emotional ya know. 'Cause I practically grew up with them. And look at them now 🥹

#httyd #how to train your dragon #hiccup haddock #hiccup haddock iii #astrid hofferson #hiccstrid #hiccup x astrid #astrid x hiccup #httyd rtte #httyd rob #httyd dob #my post

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000marie198 · 11 months

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One thing I absolutely love about this franchise is how the characters include their respective dragons into literally every conversation both casual and serious. It's never just, "Where is Hiccup?" It's always, "Where are Hiccup and Toothless." It's never, "The ingredients are in your satchel." It's, "The ingredients are in Toothless' saddle bag." Not just, "How are you holding up?" but always, "How are you guys holding up?" It's not, "How about an impartial judge for the Thorsten challenge? For the love of Thor take me with you." Instead it is, "How about a couple of impartial judges for the Thoston challenge? For the love of Thor, take us with you."

In most other media that involve an animal best friend, this is usually absent or not displayed as thoughtfully, the animal is usually missed in discussion or not included in such dialogue pieces but Httyd never does that. Dragons are always treated and included as equal individuals instead of just pets and I love that.

#these guys are willing to kill and die for their dragons and vice versa #platonic soulmates fr #httyd #httyd rtte #httyd race to the edge #httyd rob #httyd dob #riders of berk #defenders of berk #race to the edge #rtte #when darkness falls #how to train your dragon #httyd gang #dreamworks dragons #rtte live blog #counting out THW cuz that thing does not exist to me

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toothbrushfingers · 1 year

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being a httyd villian must be really embarrassing

like imagine you’re being all evil, enslaving dragons and such, and this scrawny one-legged teenage boy with an attitude problem comes alone and everything goes to hell

and you just have to sit there and take it because he’s smarter than you and he knows it

and you know it

how degrading

#httyd shitpost #shitpost #httyd #how to train your dragon #httyd fandom #httyd movies #httyd rtte #httyd rob #httyd dob #race to the edge #httyd race to the edge #rtte #hiccup haddock #hiccup #toothless #hicctooth #httyd 2 #hiccup horrendous haddock lll

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farads · 8 months

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One of my favourite things about this time of year is the blue oleander flowering <3

Even tho vinca major is a highly invasive plant I still love it. There's some by my work and I pick them every day.

#bigleaf periwinkle #hand reveal lol #vinca major #httyd #rtte #httyd rtte #httyd rob #httyd dob

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randohumen · 2 months

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i know all of us were upset (me included) about the dragons all going away into the hidden world at the send of httyd3, but unfortunately, it was inevitable.

these movies are based (very very loosely) off of the httyd book series written by Cressida Cowell, and in the end, the dragons all leave and go into hiding.

the whole iconic ‘There were dragons when I was a boy’ was a line from the final book in the series.

(Edit: that line is actually from the first book in the series, my bad)

the dragons were going to leave at one point or another in hiccup’s life and we would never be able to stop it.

(Second Edit: i do not like that movie ending at all and it didn’t make much sense. i am not a httyd-thw supporter and i like to pretend that the dragons never left)