#httyd theory

[noctusfury]

What Would Have Happened if Stoick Slew Dagur? (Riders of Berk)

Hello, fellow Furians! Welcome to another HTTYD article! Today, we'll dive into the what-if scenario that could've happened in the Riders of Berk episode "Twinsanity".

In this scene, Stoick was clearly about to end the Berserker Dynasty right then and there, until DreamWorks Hiccup and the Gang came along and interrupted it with their fake "Dragon Raid" forcing the Berserkers to retreat.

Thus, the question is this: What would've happened if he had succeeded or failed in doing so had he NOT been interrupted?

Obviously, of course, there would've been war between Berk and Berserk. Reason for this is that there would be witnesses who'd see Stoick strike Dagur down from behind. There are four Berserk Guards who are with Dagur (as seen below).

There's a risk of the one who's not encumbered with a task — and is closest in proximity to Dagur — intercepting Stoick's strike. However, when Stoick closes the distance with Dagur, the other guards, along with Dagur himself, are far too preoccupied with Barf and Belch to notice Stoick's actions. So it's possible that Stoick could easily succeed in assassinating Dagur.

However, it's what happens afterward that's important. The guards would've seen Stoick slay their chieftain and will want to exact vengeance. Of course, as we know, the moment Stoick slays Dagur, Hiccup and the Gang come in with their fake dragon raid on the Berserkers. There might be a 5-10% chance that Stoick, depending on the timing and the Berserker's POV, might get away with it if the Berserkers immediately focus from Barf and Belch to the other dragons without noticing Dagur's fall. But I doubt that Dagur would go down without a fight or without making any sound, hence why the percentage is so low.

So we will continue with the assumption that the Berserkers saw Stoick slay their chieftain. Stoick and the others would have to deal with them, or else they'll report this to the armada waiting near Berk's docks.

Of course, if Berk fails to cover their assassination up, they'll immediately have to deal with an entire armada of angry Berserkers. Even if the Berkians are battle-hardened and every person who can hold a weapon is recruited and the dragons join in the fight, and even if the majority of the Berserkers haven't seen many battles or wars, it can't be denied that the Berserkers have been well-trained and are, of course, Berserkers. It'll still be a very difficult fight. There will be severe casualties on both sides. In the end, though, Berk will probably pull through this with a victory in the end. But at what cost? It'd be a conflict that could've been easily avoided, and Berk suffered losses that it can ill afford to take when they're still fighting with the Outcasts — with little gains to show for it. And there's no guarantee that the conflict will even end there.

So, in summary, if Stoick wasn't interrupted and succeeded in ending Dagur, he'll need to get rid of the guards as well. This will be pretty easy since they have the dragons, and they can easily make it look like a dragon raid killed them and hopefully Berk can relax and keep an alliance with Berk, while Berserk is reeling from their chief's death and busy running around killing as many dragons as they can. And — even better — Berk could masquerade this as something that Alvin, an Outcast, did and can better solidify Berserk's involvement in Berk's war against the Outcasts.

So yeah, so long as the Berserkers don't look too closely at the bodies, the Berkians would have a pretty good chance at getting away with it.

What do you guys think? What would've happened had Stoick went with his plan? Do you think that Berk would've been able to get away with it? Or would it end up sinking in defeat, with Alvin taking advantage of the chaos? Tell me your thoughts!

Thank you for reading! I hope you found this article intriguing and I'll see you in the next article.

Long Live the Night!

— Noctus Fury

#noctusfury #httyd #httyd fandom #httyd articles #dreamworks dragons #riders of berk #twinsanity #dagur the deranged #stoick the vast #httyd dagur #httyd stoick #berk #httyd berk #httyd berserkers #berserkers #httyd theories #httyd headcanons #httyd questions #httyd franchise #assassination #httyd article #httyd headcanon #httyd theory #httyd question

[eriliees-nogood-ideas]

Okay... So I was rewatching How To Train Your Dragon and remembered...

Yeah.. I wasn't that fond of her design, mainly the 'light' fury part (I kinda hoped for another night fury)... Then I found some albino redesigns of her. And then I rememberd that there's something similar to albinism but has a chance of blue eyes.

The right one is an albino python (the red eyes and yellow-orange pattern) AND on the left is a leucistic python (look at that eye, it's similar to hers).

So pretty much the main difference is: albinism - lack of melanin and leucism - lack of pigment all together, it is a broad term for a bunch of different mutations the only one I knew was vitiligo... the others made me feel fairly dumb

SO, what I'm saying is 'LIGHT' FURY IS A LEUCISTIC NIGHT FURY!

That condition protected her from night fury hunters, they thought she was a completely different breed but she wasn't. When she and Toothless had kids they had light and dark markings leucism being a genetic mutation which can resolve in different patterns just like vitiligo

?CAN YOU SEE MY POINT? damn I'm so excited and some leucistic animals can have eyes tipical for their breed and some can have blue

Here are some more leucistic animals 'couse oh my goodness just look at them

And so, I rest my case that the 'light' fury is a leucistic night fury

#how to train your dragon #light fury #leucism #httyd series #httyd theory #theory #leucistic night fury

[localsharkcryptid]

I'm not sure how big of a HTTYD community exists here but I wanna post my findings anyhow:

Mainly due to an old and often very negative server I was in I've seen the argument over whether or not the Slithersong and Deathsong are the same dragon a lot, and well I've found a model resource website that actually has good renders of both models.

So I am here to prove that they are different species but definitely related!

This is a Death Song

And this is what I believe to be it's smaller cousin, the Slither Song

[Both model credits go to SoD]

Now right off the bat there's coloration differences of course but here's over all everything that differs between the two:

Slither Song

Smaller head frills

Sharper tail fins

Smoother slightly shorter tail

Smaller eyes on a much rounder and more oval shaped head

Back spines vary in size

Shorter nasal horn

More pronounced wing bones/supports

Horn shape is different and smoother

Death Song

Large head frills

More cylindrical head shape, significantly narrower compared to the Slither

Barbels on the chin

More prominent nasal horn

Back spines are of similar size to one another

Longer tail with small spines running between the fins

More sail like and curved fins with distinct patterning

Larger eyes that face outwards

Poor artists rendition putting the two side by side

Now into the speculation and my own interpretation since School of Dragons gives little ecology info on the dragons.

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I believe the slither song to be a smaller cousin to the death song, preferring more tropical or densely wooded environments compared to it's primarily rocky island and ravine dwelling relative. Thus the slither song is smaller and is most likely built for a life closer to the ground and under tree cover with it's darker colors, moving and slinking along tree branches that can support it's weight and perhaps being mistaken for a serpent thus giving it it's name.

--

In short though, the two species are different dragons - not a case of sexual dimorphisim, not the same thing but blue - simply two rather closely related species that are different the moment you look at the details.

#httyd dragons #httyd rtte #httyd species #how to train your dragon #httyd theory #death song #slither song #httyd death song #httyd series #httyd #crypts rambles

[sienaumber]

Watched HTTYD 3 (again) and istg I focused this time. And that focus made me see manyyyyyyyy details. (And those details are Gobber and Eret)

First of all, they're cute. They are already close enough even though it has only been one year since they met each other.

I always see them interacting in the background and bruuuuhhh please tell me that their interactions with each other doesn't radiate couple energy?? Cuz my gay senses tells me so. Especially in Hicstrid wedding!!! Gobber was the one holding the bouquet and obviously threw it in the air, in which Eret catched it and got flustered.

Gobber is canonically gay, and I headcanon that Eret is too. He rejected Ruffnut!! I mean, couldn't that be an enough evidence??

It's a crime for not having enough fanfics (there are only 5 in AO3 in the tag Gobber/Eret, and only one that's actually them starring) and no fanarts. If this is the reason I might start to write a decent story and might learn how to draw, then I'll do it just for my sanity.

#Gobber x Eret #Httyd #httyd headcanon #httyd gobber #httyd eret #eret son of eret #gobber the belch #httyd theory

[hesmushedfaceswithbabara]

How To Train Your Dragon Theory

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Okay so you know how in HTTYD Race to the Edge in the finale??? When Johann (Yoh-han) like gets frozen by the Bewilderbeast (aka the king of all dragons in HTTYD 2′s mother) What if he didn’t die??? What if he just got frozen and then some time in the future he unfroze and was alive and super confused. 

What if that was the case? What if he did come back? What would happen? I’m hoping it was before HTTYD The hidden world so he comes back and there is still dragons around and some plot could happen. I mean if the creators wanted to go with this and make another spin off series I would not be complaining. OR since that new-ish show came out I think it’s called the Nine Realms? Maybe he comes back in that show. Though That does seem less likely. 

Idk I think this is a cool theory that popped in my brain randomly Anyone have any thoughts on this?? 

#how to train your dragon #httyd #httyd race to the edge #httydrtte #hiccup #hiccup haddock #toothless #hiccup and toothless #hiccup and the gang #race to the edge #dragons #king of the dragons #bewilderbeast #fantheory #httyd headcanon #httyd the hidden world #httyd theory #httyd 2 #httyd 3 #httyd1 #httyd spoilers #the hidden world #nightfury

[betterpatroclus]

My favorite little httyd fact is that movie hiccup is kind of based on the story of Hiccup the first from the books. In that version “toothless” was sent by the ruler of dragons to kill hiccup and things pretty much go like the movie from there. But what if that’s what the attack was at the beginning? What if that’s why random dragons kept trying to attack him every time he tried to go out. They knew about the prophecy!

#httyd theory #httyd #how to train your dragon #hiccup #toothless #universal #universal studios #riders of berk #netflix #httyd books

[afriend410]

I hate that I thought of this because I seriously am not a big fan of the show dragons the nine realms as I am with the original httyd, rtte, and all those with hiccup and the gang. And I seriously believe the show is trying to be like the first movie and have us have the same bond we have with hiccup and toothless but just with Tom and thunder.

But in the Hulu show, the main villain is suppose to be this corporation. ( And some delusional crazy guy that had the same mentality as dagur) The one lady even says whatever they find in the fissure is property of the corporation because they are funding the site. And Tom's mom says that whatever they find the world should know about it because of knowledge and such. And Tom is not likening the sound of either of those because they have to protect the dragons.

And the show is leading you to believe that Tom's mom will do anything for her son but what if that's not the case. What if the corporations main interests is protecting the dragons. The site is being funded because they already know about the dragons (maybe because of other sites that dig up hiccups old notes and such about dragons and a hidden world myth) and they are not looking for minerals like they are claiming but are secretly looking for the dragons before another corporation or whatever finds them and does what Tom and the other new riders fear. However, Tom's mom finds out the dragons because Tom trust her and tells her about thunder and she's is like "OMG the world has to know!" And in her mind it's for the good because of knowledge and such and she doesn't really see the dragons as animals but more of science purposes and now it's a real battle between hiding the dragons.

Ik it won't be like that but it would be a different take. And if it is like that then damn it I called it first!

#httyd #how to train your dragon #night fury #dreamworks dragons #dragons the nine realms #httyd the nine realms #httyd theory

[dontgetcaught256]

Viggo, about Snotlout: What’s wrong with him?

Hiccup: Everyone has a different theory.

#source: big bang theory #httyd #hiccup #hiccup haddock #snotlout #rtte #incorrect httyd #viggo grimborn #viggo #snotlout jorgenson #incorrect rtte #incorrect rtte quotes #incorrect httyd quotes

[artlocke]

headcanon: sharpshot likes to sleep on hiccup's back, hes learnt from astrid's terror to be extremly sneaky and sometimes hiccup doesn't even notice hes there Which comes in handy when they need to send for backup

Sharpshot also liked doing this during dob or inbetween dob to rtte and he really misses hiccup's fluffy vest because that was best to sleep in

#sharpshot #hiccup #hiccup haddock #httyd #rtte #terrible terror #hemlock art #how to train your dragon #i did not use references im sorry the dragon eye is just a block lmao #this might also add too tuff's hiccup is a magical creature theory #^ i want to write or draw smth about that LMAO

[eemoo1o-tfrmoo]

Gothi seems to be the only one to believe that Hiccup is into something in the first film. She watches Hiccup in training, with this thoughtful expression as opposed to one of awe, she picks him to go up against the Nightmare (Hookfang), and as Toothless is being caged she covers two children’s eyes to stop them from watching as she herself does in horror. Gothi knew.

#httyd #theory #how to train your dragon #hiccup haddock #gothi #toothless #crack theory #one could suppose #original post #queue

[noctusfury]

Mildew’s Wives (RoB/HTTYD Theory)

Hello, everyone! Welcome to another HTTYD article! Today we’ll dive into the topic concerning Mildew’s wives, which we see in the first episode of Riders of Berk. And are also mentioned in the 5th episode “In Dragons We Trust”.

Perhaps I’m the only person who is interested in this, or even remembers this since these are just background portraits of his ex-wives. But I can’t help but want to pursue this and figure it out!

If you’re interested in my other Mildew article where I dive into who inherited his farm after his outlawry, click here.

Now we know from what was said from Stoick and Gobber that Mildew was a long-standing dragon slayer with a marvelous reputation back in his younger days when dragon raids were common. As, I assume, his father before him. Interestingly enough, since it feels implied that it was in the more recent decades that Berk sent Mildew far from the village due to his unpleasant personality, it could be assumed that he might’ve been different when he was younger. 

Of course, we don’t know what or when Mildew became “the Very Unpleasant”. That being said, he’s mentioned to be very hideous and even implied to be unhygienic. So that could also be why, as he’s a cabbage farmer, owns a sheep, and doesn’t seem to take a bath at all. He also has a very hairy back, according to Gobber after he treated him.

Funnily enough, his wives also seem to be... equally unpleasant. Naturally, we know very little about his past and what he went through back then, nor about what his wives might’ve been like. (Which is a bit of a shame.) 

Of course, I find it funny that they were as hideous as he was. Though he probably married them as formal alliances with other families during his famous dragon-slaying days. Or maybe he was desperate because nobody else would marry him, due to his unpleasant nature (in many ways). Whoever they were and whatever they were like — or even if they were natives to Berk or outsiders — we’ll never know. It’s up to anyone’s interpretation.

In "In Dragons We Trust", Mildew mentions that he had three wives, who all died at some point, to which he states are “pleasant memories,” suggesting he did not like them despite being married to them. (And it may be assumed that they also didn’t like him just as much.)

Now, of course, we could assume that they died from various things: childbirth, disease, an accident, even dragon attacks. Or perhaps they died from the same thing. We don’t know.

However, there could be a much more... macabre alternative.

Murder.

In the episode “In Dragons We Trust”, we see Mildew grab and use dragon claws and feet to frame the dragons in order to banish them from Berk. He then throws them away to get rid of the evidence, possibly knowing that Hiccup and the Gang would eventually find them and he’d get in trouble for it.

Now, this looks like Nightmare claws and... Zippleback feet? But these seem to be some of his trophies he’s won from back in his younger days as a renowned warrior. 

Now I’m sure you’re curious as to why I brought up the “murder” option. It sounds more like he didn’t do any of that from what he says, as it implies that their deaths happened without him having to do anything. 

But this is a “what-if” scenario. What if he bumped off one or even all three of his ex-wives and used these tools to frame the dragons for having killed them?

Think about it. The fact that he even HAS these to begin with is rather sus. I mean, what would he even need these for, if not for what he did to his wives in the past? The claw thingy makes for a terrible backscratcher, and the dragon feet I can’t see anyone using unless they have some sort of winter-proof function that we don’t know about.

But the fact Mildew has these tools at all is rather sus, like I said previously. Why even have them at all except to having used them to frame dragons before for previous wrongdoings?

Plus, when he came home, he greeted the portraits callously by saying, “I’m back home, ladies!! Eh? What’s that, ya say? Nothing? Perfect!”

After claiming those tools, he says to Fungus, “These have served us well, haven’t they, Fungus?” While he was obviously talking about the incidents with framing the dragons, it’s obvious he had these long before that, which is sus. Again, I highly doubt he uses them as winter boots and a backscratcher, so why else would he have them and why would they have served him well save for using them for murder?

Of course, I don’t know when Mildew was banished to this far-off house and farm plot, but it sounds like it was anywhere between 10-20 years ago. Heck, it could even be even longer, but Gobber said, “Why do you think we sent ya to the other side of the village?” so that kinda implies that it was within 10 or so years. No more than 20. Or maybe it might’ve been only 5 years. We just don’t know. 🤔

Anyway, I’m digressing. Point is that he’s a farmer, so he could’ve lived close to the village, or maybe he was even a resident inside the village, so maybe it might’ve been difficult to stage a murder. However, if he was living NEAR the village, then he might have the opportunity to get rid of his wives during dragon raids. Maybe even burn his own house to drive it home. Or, assuming he was still married (at least to his third and last wife), it would’ve been easy to do it at his isolated farm and especially during a dragon raid.

However, again, it’s probably unlikely, but with Mildew being Mildew, I wouldn’t put it past him. But it could be that he never did that and that those deaths are very natural. But it’s an interesting plausibility.

What do you guys think? Do you think it’s possible?

Thank you very much for reading! And I hope to see you in the next article!

Long Live the Night!

— Noctus Fury

#noctusfury #httyd #httyd fandom #httyd articles #dreamworks dragons #mildew #mildew's wives #riders of berk #in dragons we trust #httyd theories #httyd questions #berk #httyd franchise #httyd series #httyd tv series #httyd characters #httyd minor characters #httyd antagonists #httyd article #httyd theory #httyd question #mystery #httyd mystery #possible domestic homicide #the many mysteries concerning mildew's past

[quiet-art-kid]

been thinking about the httyd books

The exiling of runts and children who are deemed "useless" while sad and cruel makes contextual sense. Food is very limited. One unusually dry summer could cause many to starve to death in winter time. More mouths to feed would be incredibly costly, that is, until the Potato. The magic little calorie packet that is the potato. there is a reason why after it was discovered basically everyone started growing it in our world. It's crazy efficient. Hiccup could actually sustain more people with less effort. people that can't work manually, or can't work as efficiently would no longer be seen as a burden.

#httyd books #the potato #the vegetable that no one dear name #theory #another day thinking too much about the httyd books

[corvidiss]

No, no, I'm fine it's just–

I'm just thinking about how Toothless's musical theme changes and develops so much over the course of the film, from the otherworldly terror in its first instance, through the gentle, beautiful playfulness in forbidden friendship, the way it blends perfectly with Hiccup's theme in their flights, to its final, triumphant brassy burst that ends the film, while never truly changing and staying true to itself... Okay yeah I lied I'm crying about this

#httyd #httyd movies #httyd 1 #toothless #music theory #(kinda) #john powell how dare you be so powerful

[sarnai4]

Betrayal

I was going to make this a fun post, but then I discovered that there are Dagur gifs on here and...yeah, that light topic didn't happen. So, here goes a little sad something.

I think these frames of animation are very interesting. Actually, this entire scene is to me. It's in "The Night and the Fury" and is right after Dagur learns that Hiccup lied. I love how this occurred because it would have been so easy to just have him be like, "You have dragons? Okay, now I'm about to kill you." They didn't do that, though. Even as Dagur is connecting the dots, he harps on the fact that a lie was told. "Your father lied to me...YOU lied to me!" If you go back to Dagur's threat from "Twinsanity," he never even said that he'd attack Berk if they had dragons. He specifically said he would if he found out they did after they denied it. Technically speaking, Dagur could have attacked immediately if he wanted to, but he still had the intention of keeping the peace. These expressions in the gif are right after he says, "You could've been my brother, Hiccup. Now, you're my enemy." When he says this, he actually sounds sad. His expressions match that. Dagur, Mr. Gets Angry At The Drop Of A Helmet didn't immediately respond with rage. He's hurt and I think I know why.

Dagur doesn't perceive things like other Vikings to put it lightly. When he has his first episode, he's talking about how he and Hiccup had great laughs after he tries to drown the poor Berkian. He calls Hiccup his old friend when they see each other again in the episode with the gif. I think he genuinely believes this. For the strange things Dagur does, he doesn't see it. So, it's not just someone lying to him, it's his best, his ONLY friend lying to him and making him looking like a cool in front of his tribe. That's why he sounds sad instead of angry. That's why he has to look away and think through what his next move is. Yes, he attacks, but what are his options?

Hiccup doesn't give him any more time to think. He tries to leave with Toothless, so Dagur has to act then. Regarding his options, they all are bleak. If he attacks, then you have war and what we got. The alternative is that he doesn't then, right? Well, that's not great either. As soon as he gets back to his ship, one of the Berserkers says that he wants to kill Hiccup himself. Dagur has to make it clear that no one besides himself will go after Hiccup. This shows how the Berserkers really can be vengeful. They're not even an aggressive group (as shown in "Something Rotten on Berserker Island"), but they have tempers. So, if Dagur holds onto the friendship that he just realized didn't exist, he has to go back with his tail between his legs and admit not only that he was played, but that he doesn't want to do anything about it.

Dagur already was worried that no one would respect him as chief. They never would if they found out he was tricked and didn't even want to get revenge for it. He would be the young chief who was too foolish to see through lies and too weak to defend his people in case the liar decided to lie again and actually attack. So, yes, Dagur attacked. Was it a mistake? Oh most definitely. He could've caused the deaths of many people and was arrested for this. So, I'm not saying that Dagur is in the right for his war, but I'm saying that I don't think it's a black and white as the show tried to portray. We see it from Hiccup's perspective with Dagur being this wild kid who just likes killing. Dagur's so much more than just some angry or deranged Viking. I just wish we got to see more of his side of things.

#HTTYD #RTTE #Dagur the Deranged #Theories #Berserker Life #False Friends

[whelvehitee]

PLS I LOVE SNOTLOUT AND HOOKFANG

like they have NO RIGHT being THAT funny and the way snotlout just teases people more the moment he finds what they hate pure gold. I guess the dragons really represent the riders personalities but as dragons.

Like if you think about it look at Astrid and stormfly as an example, I remember Astrid mentioning how stormfly cares more about Astrid than she does about herself and that clearly states Astrid’s relationship with the rest of the riders, yes even the twins and snotlout.

I’m sure this is common knowledge by now but I think the dragons might symbolise the riders in ways that they might not be familiar with themselves making them a stronger team together as they would complete each others insecurities, id probably have to research a bit more on the topic but I don’t think I’m too far off, like if you look at hiccup and toothless they have a symbiotic relationship both emotionally and physically up until the third movie then again they still care about eachother after.

Like there HAS to be a reason why each dragon belongs to which rider and why

#snotlout #snotlout jorgenson #barf and belch #hookfang #hiccup haddock #hiccup and toothless #httyd #astrid hofferson #headcanon #theory #maybe idk #fishlegs ingerman #meatlug #ruffnut thorston #tuffnut thorston

[skyisgreen-grassisblue]

httyd book fandom, how big do we think toothless ended up getting over the course of hiccup’s life? i know the books say that he barely grew at all but tbh i half-disregarded that information because there’s no way he barely grew physically over like ~80 years 💀 i just assume they meant mentally

#httyd books #i actually have a theory that toothless is also a runt #and may have a bit of stunted growth #bc i feel like over the course of the books he shouldve grown somewhat significantly? #furious as a baby was described as being the size of a small elephant already iirc #anyway i love the idea of him growing big enough for hiccup to be able to ride him eventually :3 #would love to hear other’s thoughts as well !