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Chapter 165 is out!

and its surprisingly fluffy? well, aside from the beginning and i guess the end a little bit lol

but i love all of the relationship focuses we get, even briefly, so here's a list of them all (p = platonic):

GrassThistle - Thistlestar made Grasswhisker entirely dependent on him especially during his mentorship of her. She's never imagined a world without him and she's too terrified and too numb to comprehend how to live without him...

MallowVole - they are mates :) but they are both assholes <3 but Voleclaw is more your generic bully guy while Mallowtail's asshole-ness is amped up because she's mourning her mom Softwing's death but she also can't mourn her bcus her mom was a traitor and therefore Mallowtail is supposed to hate her but she cant hate her mom...

LizardGrass (p) - Lizard is one of the few who puts up with listening to Grasswhisler's rants, and, though she does find Grasswhisker annoying, she's also very concerned for Grass's safety and hates how cats talk about Grass behind her back

LizardWood (p) - Woodmask doesn't even particularly like Lizardflight but he's all alone now and she's all he has left off his friend group... and he doesn't hate Thistlestar but he's terrified under his rule, someone come save this baby

FuriousLightning - Fury and Lightning in a room, what will they do

ThistleScourge (p) - Thistle is "bowing his head" to Scourge's demands so he doesn't say shit about him being Scourge's father while Lightningfur is right there. He'll outwardly believe he has Scourge under control too, but on the inside he's afraid of the small tom and the power he holds

LizardPerch (p) - Perchwing and Lizardflight are in similar situations. Perchwing is afraid to speak out against Thistlestar and Lizardflight doesn't want to risk leaving ThistleClan medicine cat-less, because, as much as she hates it there, there are cats like Grasswhisker and Shadepelt (pregnant queen without a mate) that she's afraid to leave alone and without support.

GrassVixen (p) - Vixenleap resents Grasswhisker for not seeing her relationship with Thistlestar for what it is and "purposefully" being naïve. Vixenleap hates Thistlestar with a passion, not because he's a bad leader, but because of how he treats her sister. If she had been there for Grass's exile, she would have left with her sister to keep her safe. Now, she's terrified as she has no idea where her sister went.

ShadeVixen - Vixenleap doesn't have any close friends. Shadepelt feels isolated from her clan as the only queen (and the secrets she bares). Shadepelt is more chatty though, and knows Vixenleap hates Thistlestar as much as she does. Shadepelt couldn't sleep, and saw Vixenleap was distraught, and chose to gossip with her, knowing she'd feel the same about Thistlestar's actions. Girlies <3

RippleMaple (p) - two options, Mapleshade is visiting/manipulating Rippleclaw's dreams, or Rippleclaw is believing his normal dreams are prophetic/a StarClan cat is talking to him. either way, he's spreading what he thinks is the truth but it actually utter bullshit lol

ReedPrimrose (p) - siblings siblings siblings

ReedDawn - crushes crushes crushes <3

ReedTurtle (p) - Reedwhisker just loves making half-clan friendships lol

PrimroseNight (p?) - Primroseleaf is the kind of cat who pretends to be snotty/mean but never actually succeeds lol. and Nightpaw is a very determined cat who won't leave her alone (it's because Night is scared that none of the other apprentices came with...)

ReedOak (p) - Reedwhisker just loves making half-clan friendships <33333 Oakfur is so scared and lost. He followed his dad because he truly believes his dad knew what was right even though he (Oakfur) did trust/believe Tigerstar, and then his dad died... what does he do now... His best friend Littlecloud is still in TigerClan too...

ElderReed (p) - BEST FRIENDS FOREVER

ElderMistle - some brief pelt brushing for comfort there y'know how it be ;) but they just friends rn

GorseStorkQuail (p) - the siblings ever <3

DarkRunning (p) - friends to haters

DarkCherry - haters to friends

DarkFire (p) - "you were my brother..." but there's a little more trust now

BrambleSnow (p?) - briefly mentioned together, they r friends ur honor

BrambleFire (p) - FireDad BrambleSon but they honestly have a kind of older brother little brother relationship to me.... like they are the same... Bramble admires Fire and wants to be like him...

FireSand - must i say anything? eat, Estranger, eat

MissingSorrel (p!!) - they are friends now from their shared time in the med cat den. Missing looks after her :)

MissingBramble (p) - THEY ARE BROTHERS YOUR HONOR PLEASE REMEMBER THAT!!! Missingheart doesn't want Bramblepaw to end up like him!!! He wants him to be careful and stay safe!!!

SpottedCinder (p) - Spottedleaf was Cinderpelt's mentor just as much as Yellowfang... they are best friends.... Cinderpelt would go instead of Spottedleaf if not for her leg slowing her down in the battle

Frostfur - Frostfur

#lolling thoughts #chapter 165 #bt chap #burning thistles #burning thistles au #relationships #friendships #grassthistle #darkcherry #berries #berries ship #firesand #shadevixen

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Hi! First of all, love the AU and fic, I've been keeping up with it for about a year now and I love seeing new updates on it! Secondly, I was wondering two things... #1. Is Adderfang still Thistlestar's mentor in this AU? I don't believe we ever saw much of their Mentor-Apprentice relation in the fic if it existed, (likely because Adderfang hates Thistlestar so much xD) what was that like? Do you think Adderfang's reaction being so extreme was not only because he loves his daughter, but also because he felt betrayed at his former apprentice's actions? and #2. In Leopardstar's honor, a timeline is given for Mosspelt's pregnancy and relationship with Frogleap, and through another wonderful oversight by the Erins, Mosspelt apparently was pregnant while she was still an apprentice, from Frogleap, a cat who was ~4 years old. She gave birth around the same age as Spottedleaf had the Firesibs! I know that the BT timeline is a bit altered from canon, and that the fic pre-dates some later retcons from the series, like Volewhisper surviving. Is Frogleap having a predatory relationship with Mosspaw/pelt a thing that happened in BT? If so, what was that like for Mosspelt? Did she ever get any support in her hardships? did Dawnflower join the rebels out of a disdain for Thistlestar, knowing he has done terrible things like her father did as well? Anyways, that's about all. Sorry for such a long message! Thanks for putting so much time into your work and making such a great fic, and for taking the time to read my questions!!

yes Adderfang is still Thistlestar's mentor! i don't believe if it was ever mentioned in the fic or any one-shots, but he is lol. Adderfang's reaction was so extreme because Spottedpaw was his Precious Baby Girl and he very abruptly realized during the reveal how awful it was that someone in a position of power was getting with an apprentice (he would not have been so aggressive if this was a situation with a different apprentice and warrior---for example, Whitepaw and Goldenflower, or something. he cared and got protectively angry so much because it was his own daughter affected). the fact that Thistlestar was his own apprentice honestly didn't even cross his mind until it was over, and then it was just a very angry thought process of "i never taught him to be like that! (did i teach him to be like that?)" (yes, he taught him to be like that---not a predator, but he taught, unintentionally, Thistlestar to be more aggressive. remember, Adderfang was a part of Thistleclaw's groups that attacked kittypets for no reason.)

in BT canon, Mosspelt and Frogleap's relationship isn't touched upon much because I didn't realize how young Mosspelt was and also I'm not sure how much their age gap changes with the condensed timeline in BT lol. But! But! There are always hidden inappropriate relationships in the background (like, WillowTawny, although that's not really in the bg, but compared to SpottedThistle, GrassThistle, and DawnFinch, its not as prominent. also ShadeThistle is a bg bad-relationship. and i believe Cloudrunner x Morningflower would be one too, and there's definitely more. and future ones, like Snowbird x Scorchfur), so I do think Frog and Moss could be as it is in accidentally implied canon, where Frog groomed Moss. after all, most of RiverClan was pretty accepting of Thistle getting with Grass, weren't they? well, in general, it is---or was---unfortunately an acceptable part of clan culture. I do think that there is a multitude here; I think Frogleap is not as manipulative as Thistlestar, and cared more genuinely about Mosspelt and her emotions. While that does not make what he did okay AT ALL, I think Mosspelt did not experience as much negative emotions about the situation, and she doesn't perceive herself as being preyed upon. There are real life relationships like this, and they're definitely not ideal, and there's issues, but sometimes it just works out like that. i think there might have been issues down the line though, if Frogleap had survived, and Mosspelt had grown more as a person and developed differences in her personality than to how she was as an apprentice/young warrior. I'm getting "they died a happy couple, but if he had lived, she would have grown up and become more independent and he'd get upset at the changes, and then she'd divorce him" vibes

Dawnflower was one of Thistlestar's victims! it's mentioned a few times in passing that Thistlestar would 'go on patrol' with Dawnpaw, or look at Dawnpaw. actually, most young she-cats in RiverClan (Silverstream, Grasswhisker, Vixenleap, Shadepelt, Dawnflower, Primroseleaf, Feathertail, etc.) experienced some level of "creepiness" with Thistlestar. Dawnpaw/flower was one of the ones that Thistlestar would definitely say a bunch of weird shit to and touch her, but they never did anything past that. still, Dawnflower was scared shitless by him and terrified he'd do something she didn't want to him. she also just hated how aggressive/annoying Thistle and Lightning's rule was, so she left the instant she had an out (LeopardClan), though she was also really scared to leave her family/home behind, and worried for her siblings/friends. Dawnflower also definitely thinks of Frogleap (her dad) as a good warrior, and has no idea his and Mosspelt's relationship would have been similar to what she was experiencing (though, again, Mosspelt viewed Frogleap's attention as a much more positive thing, sort of like how Spottedleaf did with Thistlestar at the beginning. Meanwhile, Dawnflower was just always scared of his attention)

it's interesting, definitely, that Mosspelt stood against Thistlestar and what he'd done, yet never saw that she was victim to something similar too... though, to be fair, she joined LeopardClan because she supported Leopardfur as a close friend (through Frogleap) and knew Leopardfur was being unjustly accused, not necessarily out of a hatred of Thistlestar himself. much to think about...

#the complexity of relationships get me #i want to keep rambling about every single riverclan cat now #we love the long messages!!! questions get us thinking and its fun!#lolling response #anon ask #asked and answered #burning thistles #burning thistles au #mosspelt #frogleap #dawnflower #thistlestar #thistleclaw #leopardclan #adderfang

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