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abybweisse · 4 months
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Ch207 (p3), You've known me long enough
We get a vague understanding of what life was possibly like for Artie before coming to F. O. L. Orphanage...
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...and we learn that Artie and Theo already knew each other before then, too.
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But what does Artie mean by telling Theo to not "get scared now" after knowing Artie so long? Afraid of holding a gun... or afraid of Artie? Makes me wonder what Artie did before they both ended up in that orphanage!
Before Artie can elaborate (though he probably wasn't going to right then anyway), he and Theo realize more staff are headed their way.
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Of course, that fan translation of the above page was very wrong about what Doll says. She doesn't say she will find a way to keep him/make him hers. No one calls anyone "baby". 😮‍💨 This does not, however, rule out the possibility that Doll tries to have Snake turned into a bizarre doll, if he dies. We do have to worry that bizarre doll Snake might turn against Finny and our earl simply because Finny left him to die. Same problem if Snake somehow lives (which I highly doubt); he could feel abandoned and choose Doll. Snake remaining loyal to our earl might not matter, though; Undertaker could turn him into a basic bizarre doll in order to simply show him off to our earl -- and possibly Finny, too -- later, just to make them feel worse about his death.
The fan translation of the next page isn't nearly as bad. The language here is more formal, but the gist of it was right:
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I agree with @fwippysays, who said Finny might be thinking back to his master being arrested, then comparing it to now with Snake dying, because these are moments when Finny feels powerless to help those he cares about.
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I hope Snake hears Finny's heartfelt apology for leaving him behind. Thankfully, the snakes are there to witness this: that Finny wanted to destroy Doll and take Snake with him. It's just that he felt he had to focus on their mission, otherwise Snake's death would be in vain.
Now what? Kill the approaching staff?
If Snake dies, I hope the snakes paralyze Doll and find the kids outside. Then they could burn the barn down. No bodies, no bizarre dolls.
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cielphantomhive321 · 10 days
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That’s my Boy 💪!!
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plague-of-insomnia · 1 year
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Ch 197 : Send in the Clones
This is a short chapter. Finny and Snake are led from the outside by Susan, one of the young staff members, who teases/flirts with Snake about his relationship with Doll before introducing them to the Collie class. They made bath salts the day before and today are making pound cake with orange marmalade, instructed by an older woman staff member.
While we’re here, we meet a few more of the children at the orphanage, and more parallels begin to emerge.
We’ve already met Theo, the “Ciel” clone, and Jenny, one of the kids from the outdoorsy Corgi class in chapter 196, so now we get to meet three more, who parallel the other servants: Sebastian, Mey Rin, and Bard.
Oliver (オリバー), Mey Rin’s Doppleganger, Collie Class
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It’s possible Oliver is a boy, but it isn’t explained. (Oliver does use 僕, boku, the same first-person pronoun Our Ciel does, and a common one for young boys.) Oliver is also very shy and tends to stutter when they speak, like Mey. Oliver has a strong aptitude for domestic tasks like embroidery, and seems very close/clingy with Daniel, the Bard clone, and always seems to be apologizing.
Artie (アーティ), Sebastian’s Doppleganger, Mastiff Class
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Artie is the oldest in his class and impresses Finny and Snake with elegant manners and speech, just like a high-ranking servant like a butler. He keeps some of the other kids in line (like the Bard clone Daniel), and also seems to know more than he initially lets on about “fledgling day” (the day that the kids leave the orphanage, supposedly). He also uses the same pronoun as Sebastian, 私, Watashi.
Daniel (ダニエル), Bard’s Doppleganger, Collie Class
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Daniel is definitely a boy (or he sees himself as one, anyway), as he complains about having to dress like a girl and do “woman’s work,” in much the same way that Bard complained to Seb when he first joined the servants. And like then, he’s given a stern talking to about cooking and other domestic tasks not being the sole domain of women. (He even uses the same pronoun, オレ/俺, ore, as Bard.)
I can’t say yet what the significance of these parallels are yet, but they’re definitely one of the most important aspects of this chapter. The other one has to do with a term that’s repeated over and over this arc—
「巣立ちの日」, literally “leaving the nest day,” or what I’m calling “Fledgling Day.”
It’s the day that the eldest in each class “ages out” of the orphanage and presumably goes on to the world to work as a servant in their area of expertise, and is a day of celebration. When Artie first talks about it in this chapter, it’s while lecturing Daniel about needing to be prepared with skills when he leaves the orphanage one day.
However, only a few pages later, Susan, one of the staff, announces that Jenny, the girl we met last chapter who was afraid of horses, is having her “Fledgling Day.”
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This is sudden and surprising news that almost everyone seems excited about—except for Artie and Oliver. The latter is so shocked that they forget to tend the marmalade they’re making and it begins to boil and burn—and I wonder if that juxtaposition is intentionally ominous as to why they’re so concerned about this news.
On the last page of the chapter, Artie murmurs about how this can’t be, it’s too sudden, genuinely horrified. Does he know that “failures” are disposed of? It’s giving me even stronger Promised Neverland vibes now…
Another interesting element is that Snake seems oblivious to their different reaction, but not Finny. Could it be because of his own experience as a test subject that he can recognize what it means to have failures “disposed of”?
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I wonder if Oliver and Artie may become allies to Finny and Snake, and if we may be horrorfied (ala the bone prosthesis in the circus arc) once we learn more about what Undertaker is doing with all these kids…
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As always please be respectful of the work I’ve put into my translations and don’t use my translations or screenshots without credit.
I’m also human and I make mistakes, so apologies in advance if there are any.
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shinigami-mistress · 9 months
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What He Has Become
With chapter 203, I couldn't help but think how much what's happening in F.O.L. Orphanage is similar to what happened with Baron Kelvin.
First, both started with orphanages, and Doll is present at both. In both cases, the children are used and mistreated. In fact, the emotionless children Kelvin had for his private shows, don't really seem that different than those Finny and the kids found under the stables. Both seem as if they are alive but also not really aware.
What makes this worse is Baron Kelvin was quite literally trying to replicate the cult that held both o!ciel and r!Ciel. So, if Undertaker's actions are starting to mirror those of Kelvin, he is quite literally becoming like those people that killed o!Ciel to begin with.
Thoughts?
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such-a-downer · 7 months
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i drew theo again from my previous attempt
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Yana-sensei please don't let him fledge 😭😭
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tiredsystem-r-us · 1 year
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So far gathering that the FOL Orphanage arc/Finny and Snake’s backstory arc are giving The Promised Neverland arc vibes but make it basically zombies instead lol 👀
And also the addition of a handful of extras/inserts of more characters with info but instead of following the children we’re following the other random kids shoved into this mess semi out of the blue lol
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coffeewithmytea · 1 year
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Ch.198 hot take
[SPOILERS BELOW]
The kids are kidnapping Finny so he can help them rescue Ginny... it'll turn out they're all on the same side :D
I'm getting reminded of Ciel & Sebastian's grand midnight escape plan in the Germany arc, which involved kidnapping / rescuing Sieglinde.
Excited to see where this goes next!
There's definitely going to be some kind of Snake vs. Doll showdown....
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holly098644 · 6 months
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heceb0lus · 2 months
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Black butler modern au where everyone is pretty shaken up but dont have //that// much of traumatic backstories except edward is still an idol in a boyband and living his murder mystery boarding school au
I thought it would be funny if edward was the one whos getting traumatized and having funny idol moments while everyonr is chilling cuz in canon edward is like “the normal one” in his family includinh his aunts and cousin and their associates lmfaoo
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unnamed FOL Orphanage staff
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abybweisse · 13 days
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Ch211 (p3), Take us to your master
Artie and Theo get Finny to the surface. Finny isn't sure why they bothered to save him, but Artie has a point: they still need him. Even if it's just instructions on what's next. Or where his master should be waiting for a report. Theo just wants Finny to conserve his energy.
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Oliver helps Finny out of the water, which is quite different from how Finny pushed Oliver in. Finny thanks him, and Oliver just goes right in for a hug. For a brief moment, Finny smiles a bit.
But Theo gets right down to business. They don't have their evidence anymore, but they have a lot of information.
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There's no reason to report to the police or the Yard anymore. So, Theo wants to go straight to our earl and Sebastian to make the report.
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Idk if they are looking at the orphanage for a moment or if they are already walking away, but Finny notices the nearby windpump and recalls arriving there, just recently, with Snake... and it makes him cry.
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One good thing about the staff waiting down there is they won't see the kids return but will assume they have drowned. They might keep someone down there (like in shifts) to wait for bodies to surface, but none will. Still, they will probably think the bodies are there and just stuck at the grating or something. No one from the orphanage will be looking for them outside... unless one of them finally discovers the busted grate.
I was hoping they would destroy the windpump and flood the underground facility, but it looks like they are focused on making a report and perhaps returning with reinforcements.
The chapter isn't over just yet. One more part to go.
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cielphantomhive321 · 13 days
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Black butler chapter 211 Part 2.
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pain-in-the-butler · 6 months
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chapter 207+ predictions
I think Snake is gonna live. I know some people were assuming that a fake-out death two arcs in a row would be unlikely, and I think that's very fair, I was kinda leaning that way at first too. But, we still haven't learned why the orphanage's appearance was familiar to Snake and Finny.
If the boys were both experimented on in facilities with the same look as FOL, I think we're going to find out about that now. Yana's tweet the other day about the main story feeling "like it's finally here" seems to signify that we're about to see Snake's past in a lab - and that this past might just help him survive his mortal wound.
But why would Snake have to survive the wound in order for his past to be significant? Because, narratively, if Snake dies now, it would be like saying his "snakeness" wasn't worth bringing up in the first place. The fact that he's a snake person that can talk to snakes and has unique snake powers was just flavor text or a tool for Ciel's disposal, and now that it's no longer useful, he should die.
BUT, if Snake lives because he was experimented on, it will track with what the story has already told us: that human experimentation and sacrifice are very important themes in the story, and that we should pay attention any time they're mentioned, because they are the heart of it all. It would also strengthen Yana's theme that those who play god will be punished, while those who are the victims of cruel gods are innocent.
Of course, you could also say that Snake's death is a punishment unto Doll and O!Ciel...
If we don't at least get to see Snake's past now, I'll be shocked, because this chapter combined with Yana's tweet is convincing me that it's central to understanding the rest of the story. And if Snake does die, it had better not just be for the shock value. The consequences ought to be as significant as the ones that came with Agni's death.
Well, we'll see if I'm on to something or if Yana has bamboozled me once again! 🤪
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plague-of-insomnia · 1 year
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Ch 195: Doll & Snake’s Reunion
This chapter is very short (only 9 pages), but had a lot of info, and yet it leaves the door open for questions and interpretations. For example, it’s not clear yet if Doll was ever killed and therefore is a bizarre doll or not.
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The chapter opens with Doll explaining about the night they went to Kelvin’s manor and found it already ablaze, and there was nothing they could do. They were completely helpless. And we get a new shot of Sebastian and Ciel that’s incredibly ominous—yet it’s not made clear that he kills Doll. Though the way Doll says “there was nothing I could do” does seem to suggest that their life ended that night.
Doll explains that they went back to the circus, but didn’t find anyone of the main group, including Snake—it was like he just disappeared. So they wandered around from London to Bath, and eventually ended up at the FOL Orphanage. Doll doesn’t explain how they ended up there, just that they work as a scullery maid and are good with kids since they grew up in an orphanage too.
It isn’t clear if Doll is intentionally withholding information from Snake (and Finny), or if they’re a BD and maybe don’t know all the details.
Doll chews Snake out a bit for disappearing—and says they couldn’t write him since they used to be illiterate, which implies they can now read and write. So were they taught, or can Ut transfer skills by copying and pasting from other people’s cinematic records?
Snake starts to explain how they left the circus and disappeared, but before he can say more, Wadsworth forcefully stops him.
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He reminds Snake that Smile and his friends are wanted men!
Snake then has a debate with three of his snakes: Wilde, who thinks they should trust the “old man” (Wadsworth’s intuition); Keats, who agrees; and Emily, who likes and trusts Doll.
Emily calls Doll a “trustworthy child” while Keats and Wilde are suspicious that Doll might rat them out to the police.
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This part was really interesting bc it’s the first time we really see Snake actively conversing with his snakes. It’s not entirely clear if they’re making noise that he’s interpreting, if they have some kind of telepathic communication, or if he intuits what they’re saying. (Bc earlier, with Wadsworth, Snake admits he thinks he gets what the snake is saying.)
But Snake feels conflicted here, as to whether he should trust the old friend who took care of him when he first joined the circus, or keep the confidence of his new Phantomhive family.
What’s interesting here (and I’ll go into this more in another post about his snakes) is that the only snakes who talk to Doll are Emily and Oscar. The rest speak only to Snake (Keats, Wadsworth, Wilde, etc.) What’s more, Finny doesn’t say a word the entire chapter, either.
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Regardless, Doll is like “Oi, Snake, I’m over here, talk to me” and he’s so caught off guard that he tries to speak for himself (one of, if not the only time he does this?). Flustered, he isn’t even sure what pronoun to use for himself, first saying “オレ” (ore) for “I” and then “僕” (boku). [For more on first-person pronouns in Japanese, see my pronoun posts for Doll, Bard, and Ciel]
Their little reunion is interrupted by a bizarre commotion. The orphanage staff burst into the kitchen in a tizzy because the menu for afternoon tea for the Pomeranian Class (the “Ciel” class) has been changed from lemon cake to lemon tart.
Snake is bewildered. Since they’re both lemon, does it really matter?? And you can practically hear the record screech.
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Doll turns almost hostile as they remind Snake they may be friends but “this” is all the staff of FOL Orphanage have. Bewildering.
Could it be that there’s something in the food and that’s why it matters? Or is it simply that their purpose is to serve the orphans and Snake’s comment comes off as dismissive? It’s odd. Definitely makes you curious as to what the hell is really going on in this place.
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[Cover analysis ] • [Snake’s Snakes - coming soon]
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salty-protagonist · 9 months
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Where is Doll Getting Blood From? (FOL Orphanage Blood Collection)
Now that we know Doll is a Bizarre Doll, let’s try to find out how she is sustaining herself with blood. This post will include information from the most recent chapters.
First of all, we know that no one can go in or out of the FOL orphanage except authorized people and innocent victims. So, while it is possible that blood is being imported into the orphanage, we need to ask ourselves “What would Undertaker do?”. For this case, it is unlikely that a place designated to be a blood collection center would receive shipments of blood to sustain one (known as of now) bizarre doll.
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We also know that the fledged children are how they obtain blood. So, if the children aren’t leaving the premises, how does the blood go outside.
Because the fledged children are in fact, leaving the orphanage.
The last couple of chapters make it seem like once a kid reaches fledging day, then they get celebrated, they leave and then they are brought back at night. We can’t know yet if this is the general case for kids other than Ginny.
Let me remind you that before Ginny, the older kids had no idea where the fledged ones went. They even went as far as threatening Finny to get this information. It has its own large panel with a bold text to show how important it is.
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Then Ginny could be a special case that returned to the orphanage compared to all the other fledged kids that we have no information on.
But why did Ginny return?
This question has a simple answer: for Doll. While it wouldn’t make sense for blood to come into the orphanage, why wouldn’t they use the very alive kids that they know the blood type of for food.
Doll ran out of supply like it happened to RC in ch 149, so the women at the orphanage quickly improvised to get her blood. An evidence for this would be the fact that Ginny’s dress wasn’t properly made.
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They didn’t know they would need blood that day, so they acted quickly. Much like how Doll didn’t know she would collapse. Otherwise why would she go out in an open field surrounded by people?
Is Ginny dead?
Probably not. At least not when we saw her like this:
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Let’s look at a motif that was present many times in the FOL chapters, the mistletoe. It’s known for being used in Christmas celebrations. But it’s importance in Kuro is much different. Theo does explain it a bit, but Finny outright says what we’ve all been thinks about for bizarre dolls all this time.
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If mistletoe is digested, it can effect as a sedative that makes people go to sleep. It’s been used as herbal medicine for some centuries. There are dangerous side effects to eating mistletoe, but a large amount needs to be digested to cause death. So I don’t think that’s the case here. Ginny is just sleeping.
What we should be focusing on is the fact they they brought her to the stable. It was where we last saw Doll. Wouldn’t she be able to move on her condition?
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Although the kids couldn’t find a secret door, there could be another mechanism that lets blood to be drawn and for Doll to use it. If even one of the snakes doesn’t return, it would be logical to assume that the snake was caught by Doll just like when she re-appeared.
As for the general blood collection, the fledged kids are most likely put the sleep with the mistletoe. Then they are brought to a bigger facility on a supply and demand basis. The blood isn’t drawn and shipped. But the need for whichever blood type gets fulfilled by a fledged kid that has it.
Just as a side note, I think that the lemon pastries have something to do with the mistletoes, but I don’t have anything further yet.
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Thank you for reading!
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darkspellmaster · 1 year
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Some thoughts about the recent Chapters of Kuroshitsuji and the FOL orphanage
So, I'm sure I'm not the only one that noticed this, and maybe I'm thinking too hard on the implications here, but...the servants of FOL all seem to be women, and also they sort of remind me very much of the Mothers from Promised Neverland.
However this could also be a call back to older shojo series with the leads being in orphanages where the maids or mother figures played a role in getting the girl in said story adopted into a well off family. Though I get the feeling that Yana-sensei is nodding to maybe the Promised Neverland.
One other thing so far...Previously with Mey-Rin and Ran Mao's arc there was no reaper and thus no deaths to be had or collected upon. If Doll is a BD, then, as with Baldroy's I would think we would have seen Grell or Othello, but neither has shown up yet. And if there isn't a Reaper, then wouldn't it stand to reason that Doll isn't a BD in this case?
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