#different types of shippers

[p-redux]

Hi, so-called “shipper” here if we have to put a label on it, but I don’t believe I fall into any of the buckets you mentioned in your response to recent anon. I haven’t been here that long, I have no need to project any of my fantasies onto actors, I have read lots of opposing blogs, and I’m not mentally ill. I don’t think Sam and caitriona have 5 children (which much of anon’s argument is based on, I might add). I have some of the same questions as anon, yet on the flip side, there are enough other things that don’t add up that make me think they might actually be together. I won’t proclaim to “know” things but I am discerning enough to see which “receipts” could’ve been completely made up by someone with an agenda vs. which come straight from a source. Also, in response to a comment about how ES would lose it if faced with this logic: I think that exemplifies the problem with this fandom. We all have our different beliefs and are focused on reinforcing those and proving others wrong. There’s no room for polite discourse and collective brainpower to try to solve for the things that we can all likely agree are fishy…even if we won’t admit it to each other. I think I know what a lot of counterpoints to that would be, so maybe it’s not worth saying. Point is, we all have access to different “facts” and we all believe different things accordingly. It would be nice if we could be more kind to each other as a result. Thanks for reading.

I appreciate you reaching out, Anon. But given I've been in the Outlander fandom for 9 years and know all the back history, I have to disagree with you. You DO fall into one of the categories I mentioned in my previous post. You are still in category #2. 👇

You have fallen down the rabbit hole of shipper blogs and are prey to their manipulations. I have to admit some of them are very good at making their cases. BUT, the good news is you've found my blog, where you will see the TRUTH. Just scroll through my archives and there is no room for doubts. If you look at actual facts and truth, REALITY is clear: Cait and Tony have been together since 2014, have been engaged since 2018, have been married since 2019, and had a son in 2021. No matter how Extreme Shippers skew the truth, there is NO getting around the MULTITUDE of people who actually KNOW Cait, Tony, and Sam, who have publicly stated that Cait and Tony are together, and Cait and Sam are just friends and costars.

There is NO getting around the pics of Cait and Tony when he proposed to her New Year's in Australia and her FRIENDS publicly congratulating them. There is NO getting around CAIT'S MOTHER talking on an Irish radio interview about Cait and Tony being engaged. She mentions Tony by name. There is NO getting around Cait herself showing off her engagement ring and acknowledging her engagement when she was on the red carpet for the Golden Globes. There is NO getting around Cait kissing Tony on the lips and then mentioning Tony by name when thanking him at one of the awards show when she won. There is NO getting around the church announcement at St. Mary's Church in Bruton, Somerset, England that the church was booked for the wedding for A. McGill (Anthony aka Tony). And then ALL of Cait's family and friends posting on Instagram FROM Bruton at her wedding. There is NO getting around fans paying for Cait and Tony's MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE from the official UK government marriage license website. The official legal document clearly shows Caitriona Mary Balfe marrying Anthony (Tony) Gerard McGill on August 10, 2019. Both their fathers names are in it. There is NO getting around Cait herself announcing the birth of her one and only son in August 2021. Those are indisputable FACTS.

If you want to say the HUNDREDS of Cait and Tony sightings, pics, and confirmation by family, friends, fans, costars stating that Cait and Tony are a couple, and Cait and Sam are not, can be explained away. Fine, but you CANNOT explain away official church announcements, legal documents, Cait herself telling you, and God help anyone who would be dumb enough to DARE say Cait's mother was lying about Cait and Tony being engaged. The Irish are tough people and no one messes with an Irish mum.

Anon, as for everyone has different opinions and have access to different "facts." There is ONLY ONE FACT/TRUTH. Cait and Tony are married and there is a legal document from the UK government public registrar that PROVES that. You can have an OPINION about this FACT. But you cannot say that "fact" is in dispute. FACTS are by their very definition factual, truthful. The FACT is Cait and Tony are married. Your opinion can be that you don't like them being married. But you can't dispute that they are indeed married.

If after ALL the proof, including the legal document, you don't believe they are actually married, or you have your doubts, then you are not using your full mental faculties. I'm sorry to be so blunt. But there's no sugar coating it. Any rational, reasonable, logical person with a fully functioning brain cannot be faced with a marriage certificate from the UK registrar (a copy that MANY fans were able to order and pay for) and then say it's fake. The ONLY ones trying to convince people that it's fake are Extreme Shippers. Literally the only ones. The rest of us accept REALITY.

I do appreciate you wanting to be kind and asking for kindness in return. The thing is it's difficult for me to be kind to Extreme Shippers who have made MY life hell for the last 9 years. And have also attacked and harassed Cait, Sam, Tony, any woman associated with Sam, Diana Gabaldon, any cast, crew, family, friends, and any fan who got in the way of the Sam Cait ship. Here is a previous post where I talked in more detail regarding Extreme Shippers' horrible treatment of me and anyone who got in the way of the SamCait ship. 👇

In summary, the FACTS and ONE AND ONLY TRUTH is Cait is married to Tony and they have one son together. Why would I entertain talking about anything that isn't THE TRUTH with people who literally tried to ruin my life and other peoples' lives? If they want to still sell their LIES to unsuspecting new fans, that's on them, but I'm not going to dialogue with terrorists. Their only goal is destruction. And there's no room for discourse or civility when that's the case. And make not mistake, that IS the case.

Thanks for stopping by, Anon. This blog started in 2017. You have YEARS of posts to catch up on. My previous blog was called @fortruthseekers I stupidly deleted all my posts. God, so much proof on there. BUT, luckily people's reblogs of my old posts are still out there.

Always remember and never forget, THE TRUTH, there is only ONE.

#samheughan #caitrionabalfe #tonymcgill #extremeshippers #outlander #extremeshipperlies #the truth #there is only one #facts #shippers #different types of shippers #marriage certificate #marriage license #bruton #somerset #source #sources

[wangxian-the-zhijis]

Just wanna add this bit of information to the long list of parallels between WangXian and XiYao.

WangXian = 知己 zhījǐ | XiYao = 知音 zhīyīn

Lan Wangji: 你把我當成什麼人？(What do you take me for?) | Wei Wuxian: 我曾經把你當做我畢生知己。(I once thought of you as my soulmate in this lifetime.)

Interviewer: 你怎麼理解金光瑤和藍曦臣之間的關係? (How do you understand the relationship between JGY and LXC?) | Zhu Zanjin (JGY’s actor): 我覺得他們是知音關係。 (I think they are soulmates.)

知己 and 知音 are synonymous and can be used interchangeably. Both are translated to “best friend” “intimate friend” “bosom friend”. Both also mean “someone who understands you very deeply” and is considered “very hard to find” and, can also mean “soulmate”.

The Lan brothers’ partners soulmates really be labelling them as soulmates without them knowing. But I’m sure no one’s complaining.

Anyways, I present to you: the soulmates Nie Huaisang reunited; and the soulmates Nie Huaisang broke up.

#WATCHING THAT INTERVIEW WITH JGY MADE ME DO THIS POST #i was a mild xiyao shipper #but im not so sure now…. #🫣🫣🫣 #the untamed #cql #lan wangji #lan zhan #wei wuxian #wei ying #wangxian #lan xichen #lan huan #meng yao #jin guangyao #xiyao #hi! if you notice the difference in the characters between the subtitles and the words I typed… #it’s because China uses simplified characters while I used the traditional ones! #rest assured that they have the same meaning #my useless essays

[vaguelyaperson]

yeah see what drives me crazy about bnha and bkdk is that as of right now, canon bkdk is NOT romantic/gay. there are other forms of non-romantic love that are just as strong and compelling that could make a person act the way bkdk do with each other. romantic [and sexual] love comes with very specific feelings and desires that bkdk have not demonstrated for each other. and if bnha left it at that, it would still be a fantastic love story. and in many ways, if it’s never romantic, then that's an even more meaningful love story. as we keep asserting, bkdk are soulmates. non-romantic soulmates are powerful and valid af.

but that's the thing. the way things are set up in the manga, Horikoshi could make bkdk romantic. a simple phrase or gesture that exclusively refers to romantic feelings, not just the up-to-intepretation phrases we have now. and that's what drives me wild: the fact that if he did turn bkdk romantic/gay, it would be consistent to the characters and the narrative. it would work. it would be a canon same-sex ship in a mainstream shounen(!!!!), and it would be one of the best romances in shounen overall.

bkdk currently teeters the edge of something. they love each other. that's indisputably wonderfully beautifully canon.

whether or not they want to go to the amusement park, hold hands, and share a crepe is entirely up to any simple phrase that would turn their love for each other into that sort of desire.

#happy valentines day #am thinking about different types of love #and how these bastards manage to run circles through all of them #bnha #bkdk #dkbk #bakudeku #bakugou katsuki #midoriya izuku #the aroace-spec in me wants it to stay platonic #the queer in me is SCREAMING for shounen same-sex rep #the bkdk shipper in me is just thrilled we got this far

[minweber]

Belisarius Cawl, hiding for his life, his ass kicked, ship crashing, friends in mortal peril: I am such a smart boy, he-he-he =)

#I love him so much your honor #warhammer 40000 #adeptus mechanicus #belisarius cawl #genefather #guy haley #cawlposting #(kinda going to finish my thoughts on the book here since I ran out of space on the last post) #but a huge HUGE part of what I loved about this book were all the fun relationships and dynamics that it had set up #I literally want to see all of those characters again #Cawl and AsanethAyu? Absolutely. Not necessarily in a shipp-y way (Unless?) But god do I love seeing necrons bicker apparently #Cawl and Bile? Do my eyes deceive me or did Haley actually pull off 'we are not so different you and I' thing in a genuinely interesting wa #Cawl and Primus? What can I fucking say?! #Guy Haley should be awarded a prize for bringing back emotion and weight into what is surely one of the top 5 most overused words in 40k #Cawl and Qvo? Never before have I so thoroughly understood shippers of something that I don't personally ship. #I (barely) write a different type of fanfiction but somewhere in here there is a potential for the most wonderfully fucked up family #Primus and Porter? They did not talk but parallels between them were set up SO hard. This one is definitely not shippy for me #just so fucking charged with storytelling potential #All the minor guys? X99 whom I now love dearly? Oswen who was set up to be the traitor so hard and then just sort of wasn't? (Unless?!) #Skitarii Marshal named Iota?! Maybe later on that one #and that is to say absolutely nothing about the MASSIVE (eh? get it?) set up for the next big Cawl thing? #god so many threads to follow up on #Guy Haley you owe me like at least three follow-up books

[alchemiclee]

I hate that whenever there's a gay ship, people immediately het-ify it. people are so obsessed with making one the "man" and one the "woman" when that's completely unnecessary, because they are both the man or the woman. It's extremely annoying. these people will completely mischaracterize a character to fit into their stupid little het roles they force on them.

for example, you don't need to make one man the "wife" and feminized him to the extreme and fit him in a traditional "woman" role so the other man can be the big strong masculine manly man. they can both be masculine or both be feminine or both be both at the same time! they do NOT need to be gendered opposites to fit het roles. crazy, I know! it's like no one considers it a possibility! or sees how good it can be to have them be equals without gendered nonsense.

when there's a gay relationship, you have the perfect opportunity for the couple to stand on equal ground. they get to be equals who are just as strong and just as soft as each other. there's no faulty power dynamics where one is above the other (because let's face it, society unfortunately deems masculinity > femininity). one doesn't need to protect the other. they can protect themsleves, fight aide by side as equals. one doesn't do all the housework. they share that duty equally. one isn't weak and pretty, while they other strong and manly. they both are strong and pretty, or masculine and weak at the same time.

equal relationships are amazing and need to be explored more and appreciated. there can be more understanding and working together. i'm bad at explaining what I mean, but I prefer these equal relationships over forcing them into opposite roles to mirror het relationships, which are usually extremely unbalanced and unequal. especially because these not het relationships! so why must they look like one? they can and should look different! so why does literally every shipper and writer out there make them so het coded?

I don't understand why people do this. do they actually believe all romantic relationships must mimic het ones to exist and thrive and purposely force that on them? or have they genuinely just not fathamed that they can be different and dont need to follow the expected het standards?

I wonder, it feels like no one actually knows how non-het relationships are meant to be and how they could work, since het ones are always forced down our throats since birth. it becomes The Standard that everyone thinks they must follow. maybe it's all people know since they don't see any other possibilities. their preferred dynamics for their ships are what we are taught and nothing different, because they don't know it can be different. i also think people might be obsessed with that whole "opposites attract" trope. but that opposite doesn't have to be the traditional het-fueld feminine vs masculine or wife vs husband characteristics. it can be other personality things like one is loud and one is quiet, one is dumb and one is overly smart, one is rich and one poor, etc. it doesn't have to be masculine vs feminine!

BREAK OUT OF THE HET NORMS!!!!! TEAR DOWN HETERONORMATIVITY!!!!!!!!! FREE THE GAYS

(disclaimer, not saying masculine vs feminine ships are all bad/shouldn't be done ever. but it doesn't need to be 100% of the time either 😅 can't think of one ship people dont do this with lol)

#cant even say its only het shippers because lgbt shippers do it too #i enjoy the ships i see more as equals. like cynonari and xingyue for example #first ones that came to mine lol #everyone feminizes the shit out of nari calling him cynos wide constantly but they're both strong leader types with a soft side #wife* #THEYRE SO EQUAL???? AND THAT MAKES THEIR RELATIONSHIP SO STRONG???? #then xingyue is funny because ive seen people frame BOTH yingxing and dan feng as the “wife” at different times. proof theyre equals! #maybe not proof lmao but you cant say the arrogant craftsman and proud dragon arent equals who get along super well #they arent het opposites at all imo. not even close #i just really enjoy balanced equals over unbalanced opposites. because the feminine is always seen as lesser and weaker than the masculine #and that always bothers me a lot lmao #im probably the minority here. im giving benefit of the doubt that people just never thought about it and do what theyre taught #but if everyone actually orefers this and its on purpose.......please reconsider 🤣 #prefers* #words #lee rambles #gay #lgbtq #gay ships #one relationship i felt was presented as equals (from best of my memory) was korrasami #they balance each other out and i see them as equals. one doesn't lead over the other. they're both leaders in their own ways. and carers #one reason i dont date is because most people are ovsessed with this unbalance opposite gender roles thing and i cant stand it lmao #obsessed* am tired of tag typos i miss until after i hit enter hfhfhdhdjdjsjs #this was long and rambly but i suddenly had many feelings and needed to say them #*

[steeiydan]

i know that the relationship between marcille and falin can be interpreted in different ways, romantic, platonic, whatever; they're not canon-canon, but it's hinted at and either interpretation is fine!!

but holy shit, some people act like "omg, they're so sisterly! their sisterly love for each other is beautiful! THERE'S NOTHING GAY ABOUT THIS" with such fervor that i'm like.... chill??? the alternative ways to look at them very much were the point i feel like, why are you acting like there can't be any romantic subtext??

#vic talking about stuff #im saying this as primarily a kabumisu shipper #not that the fanatic anti-farcilles are the type to ship m/m either #but holy shit are you unable to pick up subtext that can be read in different ways?? #like when reading i started shipping farcille a bit later then were the anime is at rn #but like.... i saw why people shipped them before that

[cottoncandysprite]

Funniest thing to happen tonight was when I was infodumping about nandermo to my sister and got to Freddie and my mother, who has only seen s1 and parts of s4 and who I was certain didn't care as much about wwdits as I did, completely unprompted said "I think the boyfriend is gonna show up and he looks exactly like Nandor"............... girl I know that theory from tumblr speculation how do YOU??

#how the hell did i turn my mom into a nandermo shipper when she wont even watch the rest of the show #i dont believe that theory bc we know the actor is different #but he could still be similar #guillermo probably has a type lol #wwdits #nandermo

[gay-artificer]

Seeing people complain about how people make shipping content of the slugcats/ slugcat ocs and 'furrification' of the fandom while also being involved in a bunch of iterator shipping/roleplay/ocs like do you actually hate the that the fandom has focus on shipping and ocs over reflective stuff or are you just mad that a lot of it is focused on the slugcats

#like no shade to people who just dislike it all as a whole i get it i really do #but making big posts about how shipping and cutesy stuff is 'against the vibes' while doing all that for the iterators? #like yeah the slugcats are more animals but ultimately their all fictional elements of the same game so if you think slugcat stuff is #bad for the more spiritual and reflective vibe of the game that should ALSO apply to the more human characters #sorry im a creature enjoyer even if im not really a shipper so yeah im not gonna focus on the robots that much. thats just my element. #i care about survivors plight more than pebbles and im more interested in pebbles disease than he himself #like yep the slugcats are little beasts to me for the most part but i feel like if youre gonna whine about how people tend to focus on them #than its a lil hypocritical to turn around and fully immerse yourself in the same thing but with... just a different type of character from #the same exact thing that narratively has similar focus

[mainfaggot]

"I wouldn't even wanna do this without you. You make me better at this" throws up dissolves into the soil dies bleeds out jesus jesus christ

#sorry im not a shipper type of person but these lines are so heavy and im a romantic so. well. yeah #i think carmy and sydney could be good together but only once carmy gets legitimate help for his ptsd #i think it's ptsd? or a different anxiety disorder regardless i think hes cool but he needs to start getting help for his well being before #dating imo #if they don't end up together that would also 100% make sense to me i think this show is so filled with layers that anything goes really #z.post

[prettyupsetnerd]

losing braincells from reading the dungeon meshi subreddit's posts/comments

#dunmeshi #and the funniest part is that these types of “fans” only recently started being more active or existing at all #while i've been reading the manga and all the extra content for almost 3 years now and big surprise the fandom was still queer back then #i know i should just mute and ignore but it does fucking piss me off that they accuse us of not caring about the characters/story #when they're the ones liking fucking pregnant marcille fanart #yes that was a thing i had to see #which was not only a jumpscare but also (drumrolls) canonically impossible!! #i wasnt even a big shipper after reading the manga (tho even then i couldn't deny that marcille was gay as hell) #one of the things i really do appreciate about dunmeshi is how it's a character focused story that doesn't have any main romance storylines #and even then i could understand that everyone has a different way of interpreting and enjoying the same story #and ryoko kui has written queer rep b4- Otta herself is a canon lesbian! who has a type but let's not judge her lmao

[subconwoods]

loosely relevant to the bracket but not enough to put it in the tag, iiii'm not really a huge fan of the popular aro snatcher headcanon

romance repulsion from trauma as a result of relationship abuse does happen but traumatized ppl who experience it vary in whether they choose to id as aromantic vs considering it something they'd like to recover from. de-facto designating these characters as aro with no interest in recovery and not touching it again is kind of a broader pattern, not something exclusive to this fanbase, but i wish more people were willing to get into the weeds with it and depict characters with different outlooks on it

like, i'm absolutely not knocking you if it's something you do for personal reasons, but ime traumatized ppl tend to have very complicated relationships w romance as opposed to losing interest in it entirely. it doesn't come down to the hc itself but the motive for it, y'know? it often comes across as similar to when people hc a woman as a lesbian specifically so she doesn't intersect with an m/m pairing they're more interested in. why is your first answer when concerning a traumatized character that you think they'll never have another relationship?

#mine #im not getting into self-shippers here that's a whole different thing #that's like. power fantasy of being able to help a deeply hurt person #and again to be clear im absolutely not calling into question the legitimacy of aromanticism #just people's motives for always designating a certain type of character as aro #also due to his character archetype snatcher is like AGGRESSIVELY queer-coded #so theres that too #q slur

[purrsia]

"No matter how many times I got traumatised i never shipped weird stuff" good job would u like a little star for that

#sorry im whiny today #im just. you know people can have fucking different types of coping? #you know how some people HAVE to rely on those cause they cant afford anything else??? #do you know?? #wow i hate tiktok #i think im gunna . stop using it lol #but im scared theyll out me as a spamano shipper or whatever #cuz i have 1k followers but eh most of them dont evn interact with me #the hetatok thing is ...uhm #calmer than before! #but still shitty. so yeah #i dont wanna go to twt cuz just no i dont know how to relate to people there #uff #lore.txt

[lunar-years]

Also there is something genuinely sinister about the particular language of calling a show "anti-feminist" or "misogynistic" solely because...the favored M/F ship didn't end up together, lmao. As soon people start saying shit like "well ACTUALLY it would have been wayyy more progressive if [Main Female Character] ended up with [Main Male Character] but clearly the writers HATE women and think we can't have it all!" they've lost me entirely. You know you can be upset that your ship wasn't endgame and think it was terrible writing without making weird false assertions, right? "But TV writers are so anti-romance these days they never let the main male characters end up with main female characters anyone :( in trying to be feminist they've circled back around to being anti-feminist because [HetCis Ship] isn't kissing :( strong women kiss too!!" ...have you guys...turned on the television recently? ...can i recommend you some shows?...

#ANYWAY #lord #additionally its equally dumb when people are mad a ship DID happen (or that a non canon ship is popular) #because 'they never let anyone just be friends anymore' #once again. turn on your tvs please. im begging. #absorb and seek out different types of stories bc i don't think you're watching the right ones #yes this is about some t*db*ecca and r*yk*eley shippers #but the irony is. the show genuinely does feature some pretty terrible and problematic writing of women. #yet people want to call it out because a SHIP didn't happen instead of calling it out because of like. shandy.

[meenah]

OK because i keep getting comments about it I disagree with the take "people hate jane because she's rich" because half of homestuck's cast is absolutely loaded. rose lalonde lives in a fucking frank lloyd wright "falling water" style mansion. vriska serket is continually stated to be part of a ruling upper class of bluebloods. meenah is Literally The Planet's Heiress. hell, even jade harley lives on an island with multiple reactor cores funded by her canonically extremely wealthy grandfather.

while my post does state that jane's story gets severely nerfed by the narrative it does not mean 90% of the people who genuinely hate jane don't have some kind of deeper misogyny thing going on. some of the takes i've seen about her are so godawful that the benefit of the doubt can only be used so often.

i just do not buy the "she's rich so i hate her" excuse. it's thin at best.

#grace post #i do not mean people neutral/dont care about jane #thats different lol. also people who just don't like her because they don't like the alpha kids/act 6 #i mean specifically that type of dkjk shipper who turns roxy into a partygrl and makes jane into a villain

[thyandrawrites]

so amused because once you (I Think it was you) said that you saw more gaycoding for other characters than you did for nagireo and my exact thought was "oh boy, just you wait." and your reaction didn't disappoint lmao. they literally became thst "These gays, they are trying to murder me" meme and it's glorious

Lmao yeah it was me. I had yet to find out about the existence of epinagi, so to me they were simultaneously a strong nakama bond and a subversion of it. In the main series, that is. But the spinoff reads more like a slice of life shounen ai and if I was hesitant to call it gay coding at first, then chapter 12 and 13 flipped that on its head, lol. You can't deny that the art gives off a strong romantic subtext, if not the deeper dive into their dynamic itself. The shoujo paneling in certain scenes is definitely very suggestive, as it is the choice to show the chains of Reo's ego coming straight from his heart. His ego, which is making Nagi the number one. Jeez, you two, get a fucking room already

I wonder if Kaneshiro is using the spinoff to better explore things that would be much harder to focus on in the main series. Beyond Nagi's personality itself, I mean. Blue lock ia still a spokon, so it's not like I ever expect romance to have a place in it, let alone a romance between two boys. But the spinoff can do its own thing, and boy does it deliver lol

#I mean it could be fanservice too but I tend to think it's played too seriously for it to be baiting #Ali replies #Blue lock #Anyway I'm saying all of this but I'm the type who typically doesn't wait for canon to state it to ship it #In fact in a lot of fandoms I don't even want my ships to be canon #So please don't take this as me injecting my shipper bias into the story #Honestly much of my hesitance to call it as I see it is due to #How predominant it is in fandom to filter canon through shipping lenses and call that meta #So I admit I tend to overcompensate with skepticism bc people be nasty at those who talk about ships #But this case is different #Or well maybe I do have shipper bias after all. They have consumed me. I can't stop thinking about them lol #These tags don't make sense sorry. Can you tell that I have very conflicting feelings about this

[kakusu-shipping]

I recently learned about Reverse Selfship AUs (where you are the fictional character and your F/O is the self shipper) and I am so entranced by the concept but have no idea what to do with it.

#Because my first thought is Koro-Sensei my first thought is always Koro-Sensei #Who is already a canon self shipping weeb looser who I adore #and it's just too easy! It's too easy #but I can't think of another dynamic really #But I'm so fascinated by the concept #Like it sounds cool to read about #And I'd love to think about it more for myself but I can't catch the right vibe #Am I even my F/Os type?? Bad question for a self shipper to ask I know but LISTEN #The characters I love in fiction and the people I find cool and datable are so very drastically different #And all my self ships are more for the funny dynamic #So swapping to being the guy I'd have to write myself as a character said F/O would like #For example 90% of Koro's F/O list are badass girlbosses #Which I am not and will never be #I wanna hear other people's reverse self ships if they have any the dynamic seems cool I just #I need a bigger sample size than what I've seen so far I think