#caiti

[axolotlclown]

Ok, none of you know what's going on. None of you understand why so many women and young streamers are stepping forward right now. None of you understand why this has to be public.

Multiple large streamers have used their fame, influence, and money to manipulate and abuse those they see as below them. So long as they continue to have fame, influence, and money, this cycle will not end.

This is bigger than just individual cases of sexual assault or other abuse. This is a break down of a much larger problem within the entertainment industry.

These women are telling stories about very powerful men in this space. They are sharing stories of abuse and manipulation. This is very scary for them—it could ruin their careers or lives.

Stop saying "they should have handled this privately." This isn't a private matter. So long as these men have power, they will hurt more women. They aren't sorry. They won't play fair.

By trying to stay silent and bury these accusations, you are ensuring these women never know peace. You are ensuring that more women get hurt.

One day your boss will assault you, and all the men in your life will blame you for waiting as long as you did to speak about it. They will find any reason to blame you. They don't want to get rid of your boss. They hope that one day, they can assault a woman just like you.

This is fucking serious. This is real life. This isn't just some fucking fandom drama that we can bury and move on from. These are real life issues that require real meaningful discussion.

Stop trying to discredit these women just because your streamer is in trouble. You are part of the fucking problem.

#and if youre still confused as to what the problem is #i have a million posts about it already #im so sick of hearing this dumbass take #if you dont have anything productive to add to the conversation #then shut the fuck up #my god #this shit is real #yall are going to get jobs and go to bars and realize how fucking real this shit is #thoughts of dante #fuck it #ill tag everyone #shubble #wilbur soot #caitibugzz #caiti #georgenotfound #gnf #dream #dreamwastaken #andi #punz #wisp #kit wisp #illumina #am i missing anyone? #i think thats it #oh #sapnap #hell be relevant here in a minute #anyway

[i-hope-this-is-a-phase]

Regarding the GeorgeNotFound Situation

This entire conversation should not have happened publicly.

It was clear from Caiti's initial post that there was a breakdown in communication rather than any "assault" or "molestation." In her own testimony, she never described explicitly stating no, nor giving any indication besides "getting up" to stop the attention (which was later disproved).

That does not mean she wasn't uncomfortable. That does not mean she was not hurt by George's actions. It also does not mean George is a molester because of it.

From Caiti and George's statements, it is clear that this took place over a couple of hours (3-4), and besides the texting afterward, there were no further physical interactions between them. To use a single incident to describe George's behavior is a stretch at best and downright misinformation at worst. In the Wilbur situation, the violations of Shelby's boundaries happened over months with repeated attempts to tell him to stop.

In George's situation, it happened over four hours, in which there were no explicit tells to stop.

That said, I do hope George takes this incident and rethinks his behavior with strangers. Even if it should not be described as molesting, it still hurt Caiti, and if I were him, I would make strides to not repeat the mistakes made here.

Moreover, I think that some parties involved should not have been. Some individuals used the volatile situation to spread their own hate toward the Dream Team. They used Caiti's story to push their own agenda, which, in no way, is supporting a victim. Her friends should have helped her find closure by seeking reconciliation from her "abuser;" instead, they made the situation a public massacre where she would most likely be harassed after already feeling vulnerable.

My hope is that, behind the scenes, the two will talk about what happened and try to find peace. George clearly did not know he hurt Caiti, and he apologized for making her feel uncomfortable. That does not make him a villain: it makes him a person who made a mistake.

The moral of this whole fiasco is not to support or not support victims. Support can be weaponized for personal gain, and to support blindly is almost as bad as not supporting at all.

Instead, we need to listen. From the beginning, Caiti's story was a plea for an apology from George, and all she needed was George's apology (which she received). She did not need people calling him an abuser, she did not need her friends to utilize her pain to attack George's friend Dream, and she did not need people to pry into both her and George's life for answers.

All of this could, and should, have happened off-screen where the two parties could reconcile and heal.

To Caiti: I wish this had not happened to you. I am sorry you are in pain, and I am sorry your friends used your pain for their gain. I hope you find peace from George's apology, and if you do not, I hope you find peace in life.

To George: I wish this did not happen in the public light. Your mistake did not need to be publicized and scrutinized and instead should have been between you and Caiti. I hope you will help Caiti find peace, and if she does not want it, I hope you grow as a person and do not make this mistake again.

As of right now, this blog will remain positive about the Dream Team. I probably will not be supporting George enthusiastically right now (since I want to be certain this isn't a repetitive behavior and just one incident). However, I will be happy to talk about any fandom content regarding him and the other members.

It has been a rough few days, and I am grateful for the lovely positivity we created between my anons and followers. I give you all many squishes of happiness. Thank you for being kind.

Now, let us all move on to a better and brighter future in this fandom. We have a lot of content coming up, and I'm very excited. Feel free to send any asks regarding the situation; I would love to read your opinions.

TL;DR This conversation should have happened off-camera. Caiti's story should not have been used for clout, and George should not have been attacked for clout. Both need to heal off-camera, and we should support that.

#georgenotfound #gnf #dreamwastaken #dream #dream team #caiti #support caiti #Rei speaks #dicey

[silly-disease]

I'm honestly surprised that even a small part of gnf apologists are finally opening their fucking eyes but the ones who still turn a blind eye and act like its just drama of the week piss me the fuck off.

Because even if he meant literally anything he said in that stream and he really was just a wittle innocent baby who just didn't know🥺 it was a misunderstanding🥺 Have you SEEN Caiti's stream when she was talking about this?

Caiti can't find joy in doing content anymore. There's multiple times where the mere attempt at recalling those memories make her burst into tears. It was soul crushing to watch and see just how much his gross fucking actions have affected and damaged her life.

How is George the victim here? How is Caiti at fault here? And fuck it, even if she was, how does that make anything okay?? "You got drunk and therefore deserve having severe trauma." Hello???

https://www.twitch.tv/caitibugzz/v/2085999722?sr=a&t=4s

watch this. I don't care if you already agree with me if you haven't seen Caiti talking about what happened in her own words please do it now.

I can't fanthom the thought process of anyone who thinks George is innocent here because it doesn't matter if it was intentional or not (it clearly fucking was. she got molested. this is sexual assault. treat it like an actual crime that severely harms people instead of a buzzword.)

Because no matter how you try to spin it in favor of him it doesn't make up for the severe damage it has done to her. If you somehow still try to defend George Davidson's actions then I seriously want you to think about why because there's some insane self reflecting to be done here.

#georgenotfound #caitibugzz #caiti

[highperfix]

He brings up a discussion on verbal consent vs body language. I just want people's opinions on it. Is this a generation difference thing, or a twitter thing? Or something only within the fandom?

I saw a similar thing to him, the tweets people had made me think they were 13, and I was shocked to see most were in their early 20s.

I'm an older fan who hasn't been on this side of the mycft community until the controversy, just a casual Philza fan here. For me body language is actually a normal thing in hook up culture.

It's just a bit sad that his fans bullied him into having to act like this from now on.

Because I will tell you as women this would suck if a guy has to verbally ask for every little thing.

Trigger Warning: Sexual Situations.

#if its a generational thing maybe he should try to get an older audience #georgenotfound #gnf #caiti #caitibugzz #video #youtube #generational differences #millennials vs gen z #consent #hooking up #party culture #body language #george not found

[webanglikethat]

I see soo many people blaming his FORMER fanbase (because so many of us are leaving) and it’s like … no?? so many of us started watching him when we were young and we were manipulated by this facade that he put on and showed to us. you can’t blame us for liking him. you can’t blame us for supporting him. how could we have known? we don’t have access to his personal life, we aren’t there with him 24/7. without direct access to someone's personal life and experiences, it is so difficult to discern the authenticity of their public persona. people often present this carefully crafted image to the public, which may not reflect their true character or behavior behind closed doors. therefore, it's totally understandable that individuals who follow them may not have been able to see through the facade or detect any potential red flags !!! we were pawns in his game and we lost. so don’t blame us. we are just as hurt as everyone else but we are being treated like scum??

psychologically speaking, starting to follow someone at a young age can make us more susceptible to manipulation because our critical thinking skills and judgment are still developing. we may be more impressionable and trusting, making it easier for people to sway our opinions and actions and manipulate us.

In conclusion, instead of trying to break us down, go and support caiti. this is about her. this is caiti’s trauma. this is her path to healing. this is about caiti.

#georgenotfound #gnf #caitibugzz #caiti #caiti support squad #let me grieve in peace and let her heal.

[woowzaaa]

Caitibugzz is brave whether its gnf or not.

*edit it was gnf*

(though the evidence against him it would be ridiculous to still support him esp w his past behaviors)

She is only 19 and a talented creator her poetry, photography, videos, music etc are all amazing.

Support Caiti. Don’t send meaningless hate towards shitty people. They aren’t worth it and they will get what they deserve.

heres a link to the vod 🔗

#caitibugzz #caiti #support victims #gnf #Youtube

[goatcat55]

I'm back really early for 2 reasons

1. I heard Dream gone ape shit

2. I found a story that similar to gnf but worse and I want to share it because this shit with Caiti and George happens in REAL LIFE. I also want to show what irl people do if this shit happens to them

Tldr: Op proposed to his gf of 7 years but 4 months later she came out as lesbian and left. Since his parents and sister are dead his literally has no one and fell into a deep depression.

The update: One of their ex friends found his story on TikTok and reach out. Turns out the gf told everyone that she did came out to him but he laid hands on her and threatened her.

Add on to that, she had a gf during her and Ops relationship.

His now going to therapy and tries ignore all his exs friends.

Here's the links, pls give it a read or just listen to The Click's reading of it. He has good commentary to add on to it as someone who was falsely accused too.

First story

Update

The Clicks video

At 5:50-11:15 and the update at 18:31-26:18

#dreamwastaken #dreamblr #georgenotfound #Caiti #gnfblr

[aeroryn]

Everyone, watch Brittany Simon's videos relating to the George-Caiti situation. It is long but very worth the time. It can certainly help you form a better take on the current ordeal

#caitibugzz #georgenotfound #mcyt #gnf #caiti

[allilcat]

Hot take she desprately needs better friends like holy shit poor girl

#caiti #georgenotfound

[observingmanyorchids]

TW MENT OF S@, ABUSE, AND OTHER TRIGGERING TOPICS

I don't know how I feel about GNF, but imo they both were in the wrong. (However, I'm more on cacti side.) Cacti lied about her age with the wrist band. But, GNF also should have known to ask about her age either way. I understand they were both drunk, but still. It's common to ask for ages either way. (that and cacti looks younger than she is.)

(However it's wild to me that vidcon even gave her a band to begin with.)

George sexually assaulted cacti there's no sugarcoating that. Even if they were cuddling before hand. Asking consent is a major part of doing anything.

Acting happy or comfortable with the S@er can happen. Especially since in the vod Cacti stated that they thought they were lucky for being S@ by a popular creator.

Do I think George knew he S@ cacti? No, they were both drunk and George clearly didn't understand what he was doing was wrong. However, it was S@. And it has clearly affected Cacti in a way that it was negative and has really messed her up.

Another big thing I seen is people claiming that she isn't a victim because she went back to George. Which isn't true??

Victims of s@ sometimes feel attached or connected to their s@er. Or outright deny that thing has happened. It common for victims to go back to their abusers. Stating that people aren't victims for being friendly with their abuser is wild too. It takes time to process. Especially if it was someone who is in a higher position than you. It might be hard to believe, but a lot of victims of Gr00ming, abuse, and S@ can have a tendency of running back to their abuser. It can be for validation, or anything else. its common for victims to run back to their abusers for any type of validation, even if the validation is the previous abuse they received.

Do not claim someone isn't a victim because they went back to their abuser. This entire situation itself resolves on miscommunication, this is more of a he said, she said, situation.

IMO this should have been handled privately and or in court. I wish caiti the best in luck for healing for the future.

EDIT:

Also, being in a relationship with sm1 and not doing verbal consent is different from just meeting sm1 and going to sexually touching after cuddling for half an hour.

#gnf #georgenotfound #caitibugzz #Caiti #dsmp

[lukotacon]

Both George and Wilbur are alleged rpists

#wilbur soot #georgenotfound #dsmp #mine #alicenyanyan #caiti

[i-hope-this-is-a-phase]

Just finished the Twitter Space:

Nothing new was said, and I think everyone involved feels rightfully upset.

He reiterated my points that he wishes they had come to him and felt comfortable. He recognizes this is a single mistake and he hopes George never does something like this again.

I think we should all step back from this now. It isn’t our business how this gets handled, and we should move on to do fandom things while the CCs sort this out behind the scenes.

We will most likely have Sapnap streams soon, which I’m v excited! We also have the titan thing in the works, so let’s keep an eye out for that.

We will be fine, y’all. Caiti and George will be fine. Unclench ur jaw and read some fanfic :)

#I Will personally be helping work on a fanfic my lovely friend and i have been working on! #dreamwastaken #dream #gnf #georgenotfound #caiti #support caiti #Dream team #Rei speaks

[comfortstars]

i got one of those scratch art books and redrew a caitibugzz pic :) (please click for better quality!)

#caitibugzz #caitibugzz fanart #caiti #bugzz #fanart #traditional art #lennie.art

[highperfix]

Here is an actual good take on the situation between Caiti and George. If anyone has 3 1/2 hrs to spare, and take a break from twitter it's toxic.

Trigger Warning: Talks about Sexual Situations, SA, BDSM, and Abuse.

#Youtube #georgenotfound #caitibugzz #caiti #wilbur soot #shubble

[webanglikethat]

MY OPINION ABOUT CAITI AND GNF.

without a doubt, my perspective firmly supports Caiti's account and clearly acknowledging the profound trauma she endured in a situation where her consent was clearly violated through unwanted physical contact. and I am sure this experience has undoubtedly left a lasting and profound impact on her well-being.

the problem is that both GNF and Caiti were in a state of intoxication, rendering them unable to give consent. and the complexity arises from the lack of verbal communication from EITHER party about the events that transpired during that time. GNF never verbally spoke about what was going on that moment and neither did she. I believe that GNF should’ve asked anything, clarified her age, her identity, anything. this was during the grooming allegations and especially in this time he should have been careful.

I also fully believe that it appears there may have been a misunderstanding on Caiti's part regarding the mere nature of the gathering and its implications for her career advancement or anything like that. while the initial intention was simply for friends and friends of friends to come together, enjoy drinks, play games, and have a good time, Caiti may have mistakenly interpreted the situation as an opportunity to further her professional prospects and this misinterpretation from her side could have contributed to her actions and subsequent feelings of pressure or obligation. she thought she had to endure this to meet big CC like him. 

also, while GNF himself may not have verbally expressed consent to spooning, WE can imply he did and why? because of the presence of nonverbal clues. Caiti's perception of HIS nonverbal cues may have led HER to believe that he was receptive to her actions and that HE welcomed the physical contact. this might have lead her to believe leaving this situation would bruise his ego and co. so in this case, both of them are at fault for assuming, believing. 

talking about nonverbal consent; for me it's crucial to acknowledge the significance of nonverbal consent. nonverbal cues can play a vital role in understanding and respecting boundaries, especially in situations where verbal communication may be inhibited or unclear. dismissing the importance of nonverbal consent is dangerous. 

in addition, to me it is very very plausible to consider that handling the situation privately could have led to a more constructive and definite resolution. Caiti's decision to walk GNF to the elevator without escalating the situation implied that CLEAR communication and boundaries were respected at THAT moment. so perhaps, if she had expressed her discomfort while they were cuddling, it's maybe reasonable to assume that GNF would have likely responded by respecting her boundaries. but we will never know. 

I also obviously agree that GNF should have asked for permission for everything !!! but like … would that have changed anything?

"I wasn't gonna push him off infront of everyone."

" if I were to move, that would be an obvious hit to his ego to him."

-> so to me it seems possible that clear communication about comfort levels could have led to the same outcome. it is possible that in hindsight, Caiti might have felt pressured to say yes even if she wasn't comfortable, especially if she perceived GNF's expectations or felt reluctant to disappoint him.

furthermore, Caiti desperately needs new friends. they brought her, a 18 year old who technically can’t even drink to a party where they knew everyone would drink and they ditched her there. they see her (18) cuddling with GNF (28? or 26 at the time) and they think it’s weird and message her about it THE NEXT DAY but don’t do anything in the moment ?? that’s insane. if you are friends, you should know her body language, you should know she feels uncomfortable. you should know to remove her from this situation. it is so clearly and evident that there was a lack of proactive measures for harm reduction in this situation. I can’t say this enough but it's ESSENTIAL for friends to prioritize each other's safety and well-being. therefore accountably extends to all individuals who are adults capable of making informed decisions about their own actions and surroundings. if this isn’t a red flag then you’re as colorblind as GNF. 

also in my opinion, it's inappropriate for Caiti's friends to speak out about the situation before Caiti herself has had the chance to fully share her side of the story. their actions could potentially undermine Caiti's credibility and autonomy, especially if their statements contradict hers — which is happening.

this kind of “interference” (is that how you call it?) just add this really unnecessary complexity and distress to an already sensitive situation. her friends should respect Caiti's privacy and give her the space and support she needs to express herself ON HER OWN terms. I mean, her best friend said CAITI misspoke. but how would Caiti have misspoke when she wrote it down herself? I firmly believe her friend is trying to save face. also, the specificity with which she denies drinking at the party to me suggests she may be trying to distance herself from any implication of supplying alcohol to an underage individual at an official event. she is attempting to safeguard her reputation, but this is throwing CAITI under the bus.

Lastly, it is so so so so so incredibly frustrating that there was a lack of communication surrounding this situation, especially considering that Dream was actively seeking clarification and understanding about why people were upset with him. regardless of personal feelings towards him, it's fucking essential to prioritize open and honest communication. the failure to do so only adds fuel to the confusion and frustration surrounding the incident. the British group of friends involved in this scenario don’t care about anything, they’re such jokes. despicable people who don’t care about anything unless it benefits them. have you seen ANY Any any ANY and I repeat ANY of them talk about the new victim who came out and said none of them supported her when she was SAed? says so much about them.

#GNF #caiti #caitibugzz #support caiti #georgenotfound

[cheshirebond]

Some say it was one of their fault for which I say from what I have understood they were both drunk and cannot consent to anything.i find it incredibly weird on how George placed his hand under a girls shirt who he doesn't even know like what the fuck?

I have to admit I'm with the victim the stuff dude did was not okay especially to strangers and so what if she was 18 they do stupid shit all the time

#georgenotfound #caiti #my opinion on the situation