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guacamoleravioli · 6 months

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Finally playing Borderlands 3 and the writing just feels kind of…weird? Like, a lot of the time is almost feels like it’s trying too hard to be like Borderlands instead of just…being Borderlands. There’s small stuff like Lilith saying “killer” every other sentence, but there’s also the broader tone. While the earlier games had plenty of quips and dark humor, they also had just genuinely tragic, horrifying shit, particularly in ECHO log missions. 1 and 2 had Tannis’s first ECHO mission and the Helena Pierce mission, respectively, really early on. I’m at level 22 in BL3 already and I haven’t seen anything even near that level. Everything is always a joke, there’s barely a moment of genuine emotion anywhere. I will say I have liked the writing more as I get further in, but I’d still like for like…*anything* to be taken seriously for even a second.

#ok there was that one cutscene b4 you leave pandora but the writing of that whole sequence was…🥴 not very good #also it felt like it was supposed to be a narrative gut-punch but like. no one even died!#unless you’re just really attached to Lilith specifically I just don’t think it works that well #borderlands #bl3 spoilers #I guess? it’s vague and early game AND in the tags but w/e #werthers originals

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way-too-cool-raybot · 5 months

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Borderlands 4 plot the after-party for Wainwright and Hammerlocks wedding so wild that someone opened a vault by accident releasing a new siren power Phasetime (an excuse for the writers to rewrite time and save Angel and Maya) and the new siren is a trans girl whos egg finally cracked bc she got siren powers

#its finals week i cant always have understandable posts #i just started writing shit sent post #is this post anything i dont know #text #borderlands #borderlands spoilers #borderlands 3 spoilers #borderlands 2 spoilers #bl3 spoilers #bl2 spoilers

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arrogantmrcnry · 1 year

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i feel like ava is undeservingly hated as a character in borderlands 3. i get she's a lil "annoying" or whatever but she's a kid. she's impulsive, impatient, somewhat self serving but like. all teenagers are like that, she's not the only one.

she's an orphan, she left her home planet to survive, she had to trust maya (who she barely knew!!) to keep her alive. maya brought her to athenas, which was soon invaded and she had to abandon yet another home. goes to live in sanctuary with more people she barely knows, and just wants to be involved because she IDOLIZES maya and wants to prove her worth to her. maya fucking dies (not ava's fault and I'll defend that stance tooth and nail) and she's an orphan again and has to bear the guilt of her mentor's death. idk man ava deserves a hell of a lot more empathy than she gets.

i think gearbox is setting up her to be a PC in BL4 or at least i can hope bc i really want to see her grow and evolve. i think she has a lot of pressure on her re: maya and lillith's gifts they bestowed but i think she's gonna be a very capable leader in the future.

#this is a LOUD pro ava blog i love that kid and she deserves better #i also feel like the issue often is that all female NPCs in this series specifically are used as scapegoats #like just look at everyone who hated lillith #this just in female characters are multidimensional and complex and a lot of y'all don't know how to grapple w that w/o being misogynistic #bl3 #borderlands 3 spoilers #long post #bl3 spoilers

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rorsry · 3 months

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i really do believe that bl3 should have killed lilith off instead of maya.. maya's death felt like it was done for shock value.. lilith has been through so much already on top of losing her powers.. the twins should have killed her when they did this.. it would've been crazy good storywise..

#walks away #i have a lot of thoughts on bl3's choices i hate most of them.. troy especially..#he feels like he was written to turn on (sister) later on but they never did it.. such a waste.. if they did plan it why did they stop..#it would've done wonders for his character.. gives him depth.. instead he's That..☹️..#but maya's death.. idk.. so unnecessary.. she had ava to mentor.. and ava could've been the siren for bl4.. idk..#also it's already been said a hundred times but.. ava is so annoying.. i know what they were going for but.. god.. i don't like her..#(remembers krieg and maya and frowns very hard at what could've been)#also.. am i crazy for thinking they forgot about axton and salvador until the last minute.. where are they.. why are they dlc..#by the way i do love this game.. not as much as bl2 or even bl1 but i do love it.. this series means a lot to me..#i should replay pre sequel..#bl3 spoilers #just in case lol..

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hxperion · 5 months

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//thinking about how Jack if he was alive in bl3, would be surprise to see the broadcast of Lilith no longer having her powers. Considering Lilith was the one to 'kill' him, and caused him so many issues for so many years, suddenly? not having her powers. Like the one person he considered a threat all of life, suddenly not having the powers He would start to remake two siren collars in case the calypso twins come after him. He would not allow his life to be threatened by sirens ever again //

#[headcanons]: classified information #//im still trying to think of ideas for his 'alive' verse but hypotherically //#//also if you see me add tyreen to the muse lists #//no u dont//#bl3 spoilers #//listen the dialogue may be a bit cringy and some of the characters are questionably written//#//but its a fun game- im enjoying it//#//but god- Jack would not like the calypso twins//

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softpsycho · 1 year

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I bit the bullet and just watched a silent walkthrough of psycho krieg and the fantastic fustercluck and It feels like they actually decided to go back and read what the fuck DID actually is and write krieg to be more nuanced but they also hired a guy whose job is exclusively to make really stunted whedonesque jokes to ease off the tension at incredibly inappropriate times. Also I’m pretty sure gearbox has completely fucking forgot who tannis is as a character other than an autism caricature to the point of even contradicted the backstory established for her in borderlands 1. I really like how we got to see Maya as a character in this one, I feel like I’m anything else her characterization is really flat in comparison to the other vault hunters. In general I feel like everyone involved in writing this DLC didn’t play or doesn’t care about borderlands 1, spoilers ahead; I think it was a really weird decision to make psychos violent evil screaming cannibals because hyperion pumped them full of violent evil screaming cannibal juice instead of pandora just being a former penal colony where corps dropped their worst convicts and decided to fuck off when the money dried up leaving them to fend for themselves, I’m pretty sure the masks and buzz axes are supposed to be mining equipment used by them in prison labor. I also think Tannis is comically underqualified as a neurologist cause the whole “vaulthalla” thing is honestly just a really ok metaphor for dealing with PTSD which uh like, I’m pretty sure is a prerequisite for Pandoran citizenship at this point though handwaving it as “medicine is Tannis’ weird new hobby and she’s only really qualified to do geochemistry” makes a lot of sense. Also seeing all the really dogshit side quests that boil down to “press the X button 5 times” or “walk to this location and walk back” make me really glad I ended up not buying this shit. On the bright side I like the psychedelic imagery and I think this + the better parts of Wonderlands I hope it’s an aesthetic they go forward with (but obviously like, improving from the dogshit they’ve been serving up since BL3’s release)

Also I find krieg even more relatable now because he also had the moment of having his delusions justified in one small event that caused his mental health to get severely worse and getting extremely attached to people that put up with and understand his quirks that make other people uncomfortable. (Also lol I realized he has the exact same backstory as an old borderlands oc of mine, the one that I’ve had as an icon for a while now, though idk I should probably change it at some point.)

#long post #borderlands 3 spoilers #bl3 spoilers

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wainwrightjakobshammerlock · 1 year

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I didn't notice this until my 3rd playthru of Bounty of Blood but killing abaddons and certain other devils actually counts as killing Eden-6 creatures.

Imagine if the challenge tracker appeared on my first playthrough of that dlc...

#my post #borderlands #bl3 spoilers #text post #my ramblings

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toogayforthistoday · 2 years

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Little bit of a rant, cause I'm back on the Borderlands!AU hell wagon, Borderlands is one of my Special Interests so of course I'm hyperfocusing on the lore again, and continuity errors bother me

Spoilers for Borderlands 3, said rant, and pet death mention under the cut

I was writing some more of Gabe and Dabi's Borderlands!AU, cause I had to put my Heart Rat, Eris, to sleep last week, the night before I was supposed to get home from my trip, and I'm still incredibly heartbroken about it, and for some reason my go-to coping mechanism is writing hurt/hurt, no comfort, we march into the thorn bushes naked to feel better /j /ij /lh

I was thinking about making Hawks another Siren for story purposes (screw genders, we're all hermaphrodidic frogs in this house /j /lh /ij), so I went to go look at the list of known Sirens...

And I think I just realized there’s a canon timeline issue if there’s only supposed to be 6 Siren’s at a time, with the 7th and final one locked away for everyone’s safety.

Because at the time of Borderlands 1, we have:

Lilith, with Phasewalk (who was a Siren from a young age)

Steele, with an unknown power (who had the rank of Commandant in Atlas’ Crimson Lance)

Maya, with Phaselock (who got her powers as an infant, and given to the Order of the Impending Storm)

Amara, with Phasetrance (who has had her powers since childhood, first using them when she fought a bully)

Angel, with Phaseshift (who got her powers as a child, and was at the very least in her mid-to-late teens while helping the first batch of Vault Hunters) and

Tyreen and Troy, with Phaseleech (who it is implied got their powers from Nyriad, seeing as the ancient Eridian-Speaking Siren had locked them in the Vault on Nekrotafeyo where the twins were conceived | As up until this point all Sirens were women, it is assumed that the only reason Troy is a Siren is because he was Tyreen’s parasitic twin, and somehow ended up absorbing some of Tyreen's Siren abilities as well)

They were all, or at the very least should have been, Sirens, so there's the 6 right there.

By my math (apologies if I'm horrendously off here, I'm going off my memory and 2 minute google searches through both fandom wiki and the Borderlands threads on Gearbox's Forum site, so something's bound to be off), there's:

About 5 years between Borderlands and Borderlands 2 (Mentioned many times in-game)

There's about a year between End Game-Borderlands 2 and the Commander Lilith and the Fight for Sanctuary DLC (Lilith mentions Mordecai had been sober a full year so he could properly raise Talon, who hatched shortly after Handsome Jack's death)

Then 7 - 8 years between Commander Lilith and Borderlands 3 (Off-handed comment from Vaughn about the VR torture devices only really being used to play games from 7 years ago, making reference to Borderlands 2 VR | Tiny Tina has 'World's most dangerous 13-year-old' in her Borderlands 2 Title Card, and 'All grown up. Still insane.' in her Borderlands 3 Title Card. Presumed to be around 20 as Gearbox has yet to give an official age)

So 11 years minimum, 15 years at max, and both those numbers are if we fudge them as far as canonically possible. And all of these lovely ladies, and Troy (with the obvious exceptions of Angel, whose power passed on to Tannis, and Commandant Steele, whose power is probably currently sitting in some poor teenager at this point, can't wait to meet you in Borderlands 4!) are at least in their late 20's - early 40's during the events of Borderlands 3?

So here's where my issues show up

There’s a couple of comics set during Borderlands 1 (Borderlands: The Fall of Fyrestone and Borderlands: Tannis and the Vault), that introduce another Siren: Asha, with some kind of Animal Control ability that I cannot find if there was ever an official name given or not, other than Animal Control.

According to the comics, Asha was employed by Marcus as an attendant in Fyrestone, greeting the Vault hunters as they come through the town and helping them get set up, as well as close friends with Claptrap. Two months prior to Roland, Mordecai, Brick and Lilith being dropped off in Fyrestone, Nine-Toes had rigged a bus to explode on arrival as part of his first attack on the town, and Asha was thrown into a coma when she was hit with shrapnel. Claptrap sent her to New Haven to been cared for by Tannis, finally regaining consciousness just before the Vault Hunters leave to fight Sledge. The only time we ever see her use her Siren abilities is when the final piece of the Vault Key is eaten by a Rakk Hive, leaving Tannis, Asha and Claptrap to rescue the nearly defeated Vault Hunters. Claptrap gets badly damaged, Asha reveals to him she's a Siren, she disperses the Rakk swarms, letting the Vault Hunters launch a bomb into the Rakk Hive, killing it.

Asha's status has been listed as unknown, and I cannot find anything about if the comics are canon or not. But that is still 7 Sirens during Borderlands 1.

So, as I was playing through Borderlands 3 on stream, back when it originally was released, I came across Nyriad's Audio log, "Warning":

You. You know now all that I know. This was an epitaph, not for myself, but for the world I knew. I have brought ruin to the Sirens, murdered the Eridians, and imprisoned a primordial force of the universe. Perhaps I have earned your hatred, or your sympathy. But that is not why I write these words. I have told you the truth, no matter its hard edges. Before I can put my fractured mind to rest, I must pass one more warning.

You must never find the Seventh.

(I could not find the written transcript for this Eridian Writing anywhere, even on the fandom wiki, so I ended up transcribing it myself from a video. Many thanks to EruptionFang on YouTube for having the complete Eridian Writings Messages with timestamps so I didn't have to launch my game just to get it)

Anyways, I pointed out that I could have sworn I'd read something, probably around the time of, or just before Borderlands 2 official release date, saying that there were only ever 7 Sirens at a time, and was very confused as to when they'd changed it to only 6. Am I the only one that happened to? Is this another case of the Mandala Effect?

But back to my rant, did Nyriad think of herself as the Seventh? Or was she referencing another of her sisters? Cause if she was talking about herself, then I kind of wish Nyriad has been clearer in her warnings, y'know? Instead of being vague... But if she was talking about one of her sisters, then yeah, canon's wrong. The way she worded her warning kind of made me think she was referring to one of her sisters, so...

The other possibility is that the comics are not canon at all, in which case canon's correct. But I would like official clarification on that.

Can we please know, Gearbox?!? I'm begging you guys to give us a straight answer!

But yeah. Mini rant over. Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk.