#anti-helluva boss

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Screwtape Letters Wins Over Helluva Boss

Premise: A business based in hell that involves sinners. 

Helluva Boss:

* Tries to turn hell into a wussy safe place where people get on you for saying the r word and the b word. 

* Heaven is being revealed to be boring and structured full of rules. 

* Hell is portrayed to be a bit more chaotic, but yet not so different from how the living word is shown. 

* The citizens actually have a compass to know right from wrong as a result it’s confusing how this is hell when people have standards not so different from earth.  

* Hell’s worldbuilding is a mess not understanding why there would be jails and rehabilitation clinics since the thing is hell is about you not getting better but worse. 

* It really doesn’t understand demonology or theology as they the creator thinks. 

* The targets are made to be as bad as possible to make them feel it’s karmic they are being killed. 

* It has increasingly juvenile humor that was funny but later gets very old. 

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Screwtape Letters:

* Hell is portrayed as a horrible place and it’s authoritarian to the point they despise music. 

* The demons to their core are evil and despise all things good. They truly can’t comprehend it and believe it to be vile. They don’t have a wrong way of doing sin but what gives better results. 

* The patient is someone who we see is a moral and hope the protagonists don’t win. 

* Hell is full of propaganda demonizing heaven and trying to treat it as if it’s a horrible place when it isn’t. 

* There is so much humor to be found in a humorless sad shack like Screwtape. 

* The worldbuilding you see is around how something like hell could function in their world and not based on just what human society is. 

* It is by CS Lewis who being a Christian knows how sin works better than Vivziepop does and not a pop culture understanding of it trying to downplay how sin can work. 

#anti vivziepop #anti-helluva boss #helluva boss #cs lewis #screwtape letters #vivziepop critical #helluva boss critical #helluva boss criticism #helluva boss critique

[virtuouswhitehatorganization]

Miss Heed And Stolas Have Some Unsuspected Similarities

Even though Miss Heed reminds appearance wise of Verosika, I realized she and Stolas are basically the same type of character but the difference is how they are treated by the narrative. Stolas and Miss Heed are presented as old childhood/teenhood friends who come from privileged backgrounds and in the past used the characters for their selfish means. In the present time both still use their supposed love interests for their own means and lack any self-awareness of how harmful their actions are.

However, the biggest difference between Stolas and Miss Heed is the fact that the former isn't treated as toxic and is even pitied because of his bad marriage and having a neglectful father. On the other hand, Miss Heed has shown she too has sympathetic qualities like having low self-esteem and replacing it with her social media obsession, but one thing it doesn't do is the fact it holds her accountable for her actions and doesn't try to make it seem everything is okay. The biggest problem with Stolas is that it whitewashes his actions and tries to shift the blame onto other people including Blitzo himself. However, that doesn't erase the fact he acted manipulative towards him and leveraged the book so he can have sex with him. The narrative tries to make him a sympathetic woobie when it really just makes him more disgusting and unpleasant. This again in contrast with Miss Heed who the narrative reminds us is a pos and doesn't try to coat what shitty stuff she does.

I also noticed how the relationships progress from that episode. The episode from "Heedous Heart" knows Miss Heed still has feelings for Flug, but it's the fact that she uses and abuses people to feel better about herself makes it clear that their can't be a relationship because it would end up with her just using him over and over again. And frankly Flug is wise to see it and leave her where she is instead of enabling her like he did in the past. This is in contrast with the end of "Ozzie's" where instead of validating Blitzo's right to put his foot down with Stolas we are meant to see it as him being too closed to open himself up. And the biggest focus is just on how sad it is that Stolas wants him but Blitzo won't let him in (despite the fact that Stolas used him to satisfy himself). And that is another similarity, both of them (Stolas and Miss Heed) use people to satisfy themselves regardless of how they feel and will whine when they don't get their way. Again with Miss Heed is a sign of her immaturity, while with Stolas it's a pathetic attempt at making him sympathetic.

#villainous #villanos #villainos #miss heed #flug #stolas #anti-stolitz #stolitz #blitzo #paperheart #hellvua boss #helluva boss critical #helluva boss criticism #helluva boss critique #anti-helluva boss #anti-stolas

[bottlepiecemuses]

Ivankov And Bon Clay Are Better LGBT Representation Than Stolitz

Vivziepoop might say she's the premier gay show, but Oda has been in the queer business for more than two decades than when she first had those ideas of her characters in middle school. I don't know how you can top okama kempo users like Bon Clay and Ivankov who managed to go through hell to bring the main character to is brother. Vivziepoop stans might say Stolitz is the embodiment of representation- if you want a toxic relationship that is excused over and over again until they retcon the toxic power dynamics. On the other hand, if you want someone like Ivankov who at a young age help organize an event that changed his world's course of history and is a member of the resistance against a dystopian government then check out One Piece- which some might be put off at the size but it's worth it.

Sure Stolas is a demon prince and Blitzo is an assassin, but that is when the series remembers that fact and just have them focus on wangsting about how strained their relationship is. While Oda never makes us forget that Ivankov and Bon Clay like everything else in the series is a badass to respect all while being camp as possible. Heck with it, Ivankov is better at crossdressing than Blitzo does and it's with the help of his devil fruit which can convince a certified lady's man like Sanji to be turned on by his female form. Best of the series actually handles the idea of them going up against an unfair system better than Helluva Boss because they don't gut that storyline to make away for romantic slop that downplays the rich partner's flaws. These two have got nothing on One Piece's best.

#one piece #ivankov #bon clay #stolitz #stolas #blitzo #anti-stolitz #anti-helluva boss #helluva boss critical #helluva boss #helluva boss criticism #helluva boss critique

[showtoonzfan]

A recent article came out about the mistreatment and pay of Spindlehorse employees, please spread this around.

#vivziepop critical #spindlehorse critical #helluva boss critical #helluva boss critique #hazbin hotel critical #helluva boss criticism #helluva critical #anti vivziepop #Hazbin hotel #helluva boss #vivienne medrano #Vivziepop #spindlehorse toons #Spindlehorse

[bump-inthe-night]

Vivziepop fans claiming adding black features to her black characters would’ve made it “too difficult” to animate them is a hilarious excuse considering this is the same woman who had characters like these animated:

Another excuse fans have been using is that Vivziepop’s art style is “unsuitable” for black characters, despite her crew members proving otherwise: 

No art style is "unsuitable" for black characters because it's the artist's responsibility to learn how to draw them in their style. There's no excuse for black characters not looking black in your style.

Vivziepop could draw black features in her style but CHOSE not to, hence why none of the black characters look black outside their skin color, which sometimes they don't even have.

#anti vivziepop #vivziepop critical #hazbin hotel critical #helluva boss critical #spindlehorse critical

[madnessandentropy]

Something I've noticed about Viv while spending time in the critical side of the fandom is that Viv tends to take designs, ideas and writing without giving credit. (E.g many people didn't know she didn't write much of the HB pilot)

And I've realised this extends to her animations of fan music as well.

Take a look at the title and description for fan song Liquid Gold by Paranoid DJ for Lackadaisy

Not only is the Paranoid DJ's name in the title, it's the first words. You're directly told who's responsible for this lovely piece of music so you can search them up if you want, and the description tells you to follow them and where to find them.

For Hazbin Hotel's most famous and beloved song, Addict, by Silva Hound though:

A mention of Silvahound is nowhere to be found in the title. It is in the description and video, but so many people have no idea Addict is a fan song because the title and the way it's presented makes it feel like it was officially made by Spindlehorse or someone else.

Look My Way by Paranoid DJ, who as you know also made Liquid Gold, is a fan song for Helluva Boss with no mention of the true creator at ALL

There's nothing. He isn't in the title or the description. He is in the video, but he's briefly listed at the very end of the credits where most people just click off and don't watch. Almost no credit is given and multiple people (including myself until recently) have no idea this is a fan song. There's just no credit, so everyone assumes this, like Addict, was made by Spindlehorse or someone else.

What makes this even worse is, it's a general agreement that Addict is the best Hazbin song, better than the ones in the pilot and Look My Way is an excellent Helluva song next to House of Asmodeus (which is one of the only good songs from HB imo).

So Viv is refusing to properly credit the artists, the FAN artists that took their passion for her shows to create music for something they loved, that helped raise Hazbin Hotel in popularity and tug at the feelings of Helluva Boss fans respectively.

This is gross. Credit your artists

#vivziepop critical #helluva boss critical #hazbin hotel critical #anti helluva boss #anti hazbin hotel #anti vivziepop #vivziepop criticism

[tocomplainfriend]

Hey, hear this!

I'm not black and don't know that much about voodou. There are lots of people ready to talk and explain their concerns about their representation in HH. Please hear them! (the amount of disrespect done by a bunch of non-black people upon the topic is disgusting!)

The demonizing and villainizing of this religion has existed since the time of slavery. Using this symbols and closed religion to make a character more "edgy demon evil" is awful. This was Viv doing exactly. I do not believe Al was even supposed to be black/mixed until Viv got told about the use of the religion she was using. All of her main black characters have 0 features. They are just black to profit of "diversity" while she makes no effort to show it or be respectful.

To the people being like, "Aren't you also mad about her representing Christianity wrong???" Based on the fact of how she has talked about Christian people before... YES (I have a whole post about worrying it). But the point brought up is about a religion that's under discrimination based on racism and colonizer mindsets. About a problem that existed when slavery started. Viv is not making a critique or tribute of Voodou she is just using it to make Alastor seem "COOL AND EDGY".

I also do worry of the point she is trying to make about Christianity and believing in it. Specially cause that means her story about heaven and hell could be the blandest immature criticism someone could make. -and sell more people into the idea of "all believers of Christianity are bad people". Which I still hope, it doesn't happen directly in the show. Btw, I'm not Christian! I'm queer and have faced a lot of discrimination that a lot of people justified in their Christianism, I know the level of frustration people feel relating to that. But I have grown to realize, not every person that believes in God and Christ is a bad person. And that I don't get to throw all of those people under the umbrella of "bad" because of how I have been treated.

BTW, this person got blocked by Viv:

ALSO, THIS IS STUPID!

You are crazy to say this. They are many criticisms of Disney, specially this movie. You just didn't see it and decided to tweet this without even thinking of searching for this? Like, have you never heard of people complaining about how Tiana as the first black princess becoming a fucking frog for most of the movie.

Dr. Facilier is a demonization of voodou! Also, Mama Odie is the "Good magic" but realize how she doesn't use the symbols or African masks. But only the bad magic, has it? Most of the representation of the religion is Facilier too, and it's wrongly represented.

EDIT:

NAHHHH. GIRL

#vivziepop critique #vivziepop critical #helluva boss critique #helluva boss criticism #helluva boss critical #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel criticism #hazbin hotel critique #discrimination #antiblackness #disney criticism #disney critical #anti vivziepop #Youtube

[gabario64]

Some indie shows you should watch/support instead of Helluva/Hazbin:

Lackadaisy

Ramshackle

Farfetched

Lumi and the Great Big Galaxy

Monkey Wrench

Big Top Burger

The Amazing Digital Circus

Spooky Month

Playground

#indie animation #vivziepop critical #helluva boss critical #hazbin hotel critical #anti vivziepop #Youtube

[littledemon55]

Justice for these characters! ✊

Justice for Sir Pentious, he deserved to be more than a funny gang r@pe joke and comedic death.

Justice for Vaggie, she deserves a name that isn’t tied to the female genitalia and should be more than an angry latino stereotype.

Justice for Millie, she deserves more character outside of being Moxxie's wife.

Justice for Stella, she was robbed of any depth she had to make Stolas seem innocent.

Justice for Blitz, he should cut contact with Stolas and be in a healthy relationship instead.

Justice for Octavia, she deserves an actual good father figure.

#helluva boss critique #helluva boss criticism #helluva boss critical #anti helluva boss #anti hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel critique #hazbin hotel critical #hazbin hotel criticism #vivziepop criticism #vivziepop critical #vivziepop critique #anti vivziepop #fuck vivziepop

[jaxters]

Still not over Ozzie's having a giant circus tent on top for Fizz. 😭💖

I don't even care if it was Ozzie or Fizzarolli's idea. It just emphasizes that the club belongs to both of them.

#helluva boss #Fizzarolli #Asmodeus #fizzarozzie #fizzmodeus #hb #Srry gotta take a moment to jab at the antis that say Ozzie is Fizz's boss #when its super obvious Fizz co-owns the club with him LOL #that's why they are 'business partners' #they do not have an employer/employee relationship

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Dreams Do Come True When You Have Nepotism

Seriously, girl you are not the underdog who went from nothing to something but a girl who had big name relatives who got you where you are and now you are trying to represent yourself as someone who pulled themselves by their bootstraps.

#helluva boss #helluva boss critical #helluva boss criticism #helluva boss critique #vivziepop critical #vivziepop criticism #vivziepop #anti-vivziepop #hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel critical #anti-helluva boss #anti-hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel criticism

[toastyghostcriticalblog]

I find it funny whenever viv stans thinks the whole collar/chains is some kind of deep symbolism like honey that’s just Vivzepop weird ass kink she into it’s not that deep

like does this shit look like some deep symbolism to y’all 💀😭

#like seriously she is literally putting her kink in her SHOWS it’s going to backfire sooner or later #anti vivziepop #vivzepop critical #anti hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel critical #anti helluva boss #helluva boss critical

[bottlepiecemuses]

I have to be honest I prefer wr1teanons jjba x hazbin hotel/helluva boss series over the canon stuff ( I do not like what they did with lucifer or lilith etc) or them going away from the initial premise to be a war with heaven. or how the sins arent so evil ( not t omention pretending there are positive sides to sins when the whole reasons they are sins is because there are no positive sides. The sin of pride is when your pride gets excessive ( and your pride can lead you to commit other sins or keep you from redeeming yourself like say belief that you are better etc) you can still have some pride in yourself and it wont be a sin. In fact the sins can mix with each other like envy and wrath

envy and lust are poison to your souls with envy you hate someone for having something you dont have and that hate can hurt youor lust it can damage your relationships ( remember what asmodeus brought it up ) or ability to form an emotional bond in the future ( pair bodning stuff) etc. also lust can also lead to well the r word ( is that allowed )envy can lead you to kill someone or wish harm like envy for someone being wealthier or more successful then you like being born into wealthsome sloth mixed with say entitlement can lead to you trying to steal or demand money from people without working for it ( it would be one thing if they were just born into wealth and using the money they were born with to laze around)like imagine someones pride getting in the away from admitting they have a problem

pride leading them to feel they deserve something more than someone elseetcsee the tax the rich people or communism or people for ubi saying they shouldnt need to work to live its greed mixed with envy plus sloth for its demanding other people to work and give you money ( and its an idiotic idea for there are always jobs people dont want to work

#helluva boss #helluva boss critical #helluva boss crimson #helluva boss critique #anti-helluva boss

[mythsandheather]

When the super problematic creator + their equally nasty project that’s stuffed with toxic messages, weird kinks and bad writing that you’ve been aware of for years finally starts getting open criticism on mass and you can finally voice your own frustrations and experiences without the fear of rampant harpy stans trying to hunt you for sport

#lo critical #lore olympus critical #lo criticism #anti lore olympus #anti lo #hazbin hotel critical #anti hazbin hotel #anti helluva boss #anti vivziepop #it has been so long #y’all don’t even know 😭

[showtoonzfan]

I am really getting tired of fans responding with “everyone responds to trauma differently” to dismiss criticism Viv gets for how she portrays abuse and SA in her shows. Yes, everyone does respond to trauma differently, that doesn’t mean there’s not a right and wrong way to portray it in media. As a writer you can always improve your stuff and make it better than what it is now, there’s nothing stopping Viv from looking to improve. Feedback from others (especially from people who have been abused and/or SA’d) is important.

If Vivziepop was a normal person who didn’t see critique as a personal attack on her, she could actually use what people over the internet are telling her as a larger scope so she gets a better perspective of how other people feel, that way she can emotionally reach to multiple audiences in her work, instead of picking sides, dismissing and demonizing anyone who disagrees with her and assuming what she’s crafted is perfect with zero flaws.

Her major problem with how she portrays abuse as a whole is that she can’t make up her mind on what’s bad and what isn’t. In Helluva Boss, Blitz verbally abusing his employees is funny, but Stella verbally abusing Stolas is bad. Sexual harassment from Blitz, Stolas and Angel Dust are funny, but from Val it’s bad. Loona abusing Blitz is funny, but Stella abusing Stolas, Valentino abusing Angel, and Crimson abusing Moxxie is bad.

Then you watch livestreams of her talking about Stolitz and Huskerdust, and it really feels like she can’t tell the difference between genuine love and blatant sexual harassment, cause she talks as if the couples are lovey dovey when in reality they’re not. Then she has the issue of not reading the room, at times she can’t let a serious scene happen without cracking a joke or just letting the scene breathe. Moxxie’s abuse isn’t taken with the full respect it deserves, after he’s hit we cut to a dildo joke, then go from that to a sexual harassment song we’re supposed to find funny. Then the writers can’t even let him cry without a joke about Blitz and Chaz being loud during sex. This is the same woman who prides herself in how she wrote Angel Dust, an SA victim.

She comes off as an excruciatingly insensitive writer who can’t make up her mind wether she finds SA hot, or abuse funny or not. People genuinely look up to her, but she’d rather argue with people on Instagram/twitter who find her work dense/uncomfortable. She’s not even trying to make an effort in her writing cause she’s convinced it’s perfect, and it’s just wrong, especially to silence those who want to speak up about how she dealt with a serious topic, topics that deserve care and respect, not just “haha sex”.

#vivziepop critical #spindlehorse critical #helluva boss critical #helluva boss critique #hazbin hotel critical #helluva boss criticism #helluva critical #anti vivziepop #helluva boss #Vivziepop #Hazbin hotel

[bump-inthe-night]

Vivziepop’s art style isn’t awful; instead, it’s her character designs that are the issue. She recycles the same colors, characteristics, outfits, and accessories, causing them to overlap and look alike despite how different they’re supposed to be from each other.

A major issue in Hazbin Hotel is that you can’t tell what a character is or when they died since the details in their designs fail to convey this. Angel is a 1940s spider mobster drag queen, Cherri is an 1980s punk, and Niffty is a 1950s alien-like insect demon, but you can't tell from their designs at all.

Sir Pentious died in 1888, Alastor in 1933, and Vox in the 1950s, but they’re all dressed in the same striped, shoulder-padded suits despite dying decades apart.

Charlie and Lucifer look like blonde humans instead of demons, and Vaggie, who's a moth demon bodyguard and hotel protector, looks like a gray human. 

Another issue with Vivziepop's character designs is how she'll sometimes overdesign her characters by giving them numerous details that do nothing but clutter their designs and make them an eyesore.

Vivziepop is the issue with her art style because she stays in her comfort zone and either does too little or too much with her character designs, making them underwhelming or a visual mess.

#anti vivziepop #vivziepop critical #hazbin hotel critical #helluva boss critical #spindlehorse critical