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wildissylupus · 2 days
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Thinking about how Kipperlily and Lucy not only parallel Kristen and Riz, both also Cassandra and Ankarna.
One died and the other was left to fester in her anger, falling from grace and becoming a twisted version of who they once were, loosing sight on who they could have been.
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soyboyanarchy · 3 days
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I definitely think Helio has something to do with the corruption of Ankarna because they share the same domain. And I just can’t wait to have another reason te hate him
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sugaldean · 3 days
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What if I said Ruvina and Cassandra used to hug Ankarna during winter
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imperatorfuriosaas · 22 hours
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thinking about Cassandra and Ankarna. Like, Brennan didn’t seem like thrilled as Cassandra when she realized Ankarna was still alive and it’s like - how do we know this wedding was a happy one? what if Ankarna doesn’t want to be redeemed?
We have a high possibility for a repeat of “to reach a hand down to someone they need to be Beneath You”. Like it’s true, Ankarna could be redeemable and i’m down for both versions of this story
But what is more teen than believing in your heart in the inherent goodness of all. What is more Fig than believing that someone just needs another chance and someone in their corner. She heard that you can change a god by changing your belief and said “yes, I can do this, because I know that love changes you. I see it. I lived it. I can be that for someone who needs it”
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remidyal · 17 hours
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Open Questions as we head into a massive lore drop tomorrow with the new episode, along with my best guesses as to the answers. Warning: Long post.
1) Who did Kalina have the spy's tongue curse with?
The most popular (and most likely, in my opinion) theory here is that it's Jace and/or Porter, who Ragh saw the night of Prompocolypse. The players at the table seem to think it's connected directly to Bakur and/or Lydia; however, Kalina DID say the name Lydia Barkrock during Spring Break to Riz.
There's some slight weirdness in the timeline around Aelwyn helping with the Spy's Tongue Curse in that the implication of her answer for when she was helping with it would be after she was arrested ('the end of freshman year going into that summer' when Aelwyn was arrested in early March) but it's not the first time the timeline around those events has been fucked and it probably won't be the last.
2) What's Jace's deal? Also, 2a) What's Porter's deal?
As of the end of episode 16, we can pretty safely say he was at SOME point killed and brought back via a deal with Ankarna. It's been pointed out that in Freshman Year his art did not cover his chest with the scarf; I'm not taking that as definitive evidence of anything, because that's the kind of retcon that can easy be explained away.
Jace and Porter did not seem to be on super friendly terms when Riz overheard them the first day of school freshman year, but by the end of the year, the night of Prom, they're on closer terms. Ragh, after the fight at Prom but inside of the school, sees Arianwen and Jace talking to someone he cannot at that point see, almost certainly Kalina. Later - it's not really clear HOW much later - Jace and Porter found Ragh, and Porter did some 'barbarian healing stuff' that presumably included a blood transfusion, because Ragh then CAN see Kalina and is threatened into silence by her.
It's quite clear to me from this that both Jace and Porter carried the curse of Kalina, and I'm of the belief that they were fulfilling their end of whatever deal was going on between Kalina and them by helping her agent in the form of Arianwen get the Crown.
Now which of them is in charge, and what're their respective motivations? That's much more interesting and I think independant.
I saw a theory on here that I LOVE and now fully believe that Jace was, in fact, the sorcerer in Lydia's party, and after dying to Bakur he took the deal to come back and is working for Ankarna. How truly willing he or any of the others who took that deal are at this point is another question. This is speculation, but it's really good speculation. This would obviously mean Jace was corrupted well before freshman year, but I don't actually think that's a problem.
Porter's more interesting, and I'm fully not certain which of the two are in charge, if either is, though my own speculation is that Porter is the primary driver. Jace clearly got him to help with Ragh because Porter would know Ragh and could easily infect him with Kalina; why they didn't kill him is an interesting question, though it may be as simple as Arthur Aguefort was back alive at that point and the death of one of the students who fought Kalvaxus wouldn't be a quiet matter. Still, Porter pushes rage as an almost religious matter, we do not know the nature of his own Paladin Oath, and his behavior towards Fig to push her away from Cassandra leads me to think he's a true believer sort who's in this willingly, not a revived pawn like Jace or the Ratgrinders appear to be.
3) What exactly happened to the Ratgrinders in the Mountains of Chaos?
I do not believe they all died there, for the simple reason that Lucy died in the Farhaven Woods. I think it's much more likely that either Jace targeted Kipperlilly specifically as the most fertile ground for rage and then it spread from there, or if the above speculation about Jace is wrong and he's also a more recent pawn that some thing terrible happened to SOME of them there. The details on this are really important to see, to me - there's a version of this story where Kipperlilly died willingly for the power it would bring, for example. I think this is one where we're VERY likely to get answers this episode.
4) What are the Ratgrinders using the Devil's Necter for?
I strongly believe all the stuff about modified memories is a red herring, though maybe it explains some odd behaviors here and there: I think they're using it to lie to gods. My own wild theory this was first used by LUCY to lie to her own god in prayer and get Ankarna's name from her by claiming they had already broken through Oblivati Mori, so why not share some information about the sister you loved so much? And then the guilt of having done this, and maybe even seeing some sort of backlash onto her god, is what led her to back out of whatever bits of the plan she had gone along with to that point for Kipperlilly's sake.
5) Why does Kipperlilly need to be principal?
I don't exactly believe that the Ratgrinders are looking for a long term senior year sort of situation; Kipperlilly being student body president and thus principal is the key to something within the bylaws.
The most likely thing to me here is that we don't yet have the details we'd need to answer why on this one.
The funniest callback sort of answer is that she needs to be principal in order to remove Watches and Wards from the library, which is supposed to prevent divine summonings on school grounds. It's stated in freshman year that only the Elven Oracle or Arthur Aguefort can remove the book, but this may well be Arthur Aguefort in his role as Principal rather than being tied to Arthur himself. Certainly Adaine wasn't likely to repeat her own mistake, at least. Also, potentially, this would be why they couldn't just change the bylaws for their endgoal directly instead of going through the election - the knockout enchantment on Watches and Wards is on the book, not part of the school bylaws. In any case, this could potentially be tied in to my guess on six, which is…
6) What's the overall plan here?
The overall plan, I think, is to bring Ankarna back fully to life during graduation in the gym, a place where a god (if a shitty one) was born. Elmville will be prepared for proper worship with the rage from the infections through the tree, etc, to provide enough worship to bring Ankarna in her current form back.
7) Who was the imposing figure who revived Buddy Dawn?
Very possible answers to this question are either a true form of some kind for Jace or Porter, some kind of Avatar of Ankarna (especially since they were not on the material plane, though it seems likely this figure was also involved for Yolanda or Lucy), some corrupted form for Kipperlilly, or some other servant of Ankarna. We really don't have enough to know.
8) What's going on with Bucky Applebees?
I think he's going through a crisis of faith similar to Kristen's, but just what kind of answers he might be reaching we really don't have enough to say. It wouldn't surprise me if the Ratgrinders have tried recruiting him in some way, however; it's a good way to hurt Kristen.
9) What, exactly, was the nature of Cassandra and Ankarna's relationship? Were they still together when Ankarna fell or when Cassandra became the Nightmare King? Were they actually on good terms?
I think these are possibly answers we're getting this week, and also I think there's a good chance that Ankarna and Cassandra had LONG since fallen out before Cassandra's rebirth as the Nightmare King. Did Ankarna blame her wife for Sol's followers stealing and killing hers? Did Cassandra see her wife turning more violent and less thoughtful out of desperation? Cassandra fell in one move of betrayal, we know, her followers convinced over her pleading that to know her name was heretical - and, for what it's worth, in the form she changed to the leaders of those followers were most certainly punished for their turning on their goddess. Ankarna's seems to have been far more gradual.
10) Can Ankarna actually be restored to her original form and domain, and is that a good idea to begin with, FIG?
We'll seeeeee. There's something profoundly interesting in the nature of gods in Spyre; they need the followers much more than the followers need them, for all their power. Spreading your religion makes your god healthier, but it also makes it so that you personally have a lot less control over the shape that belief takes. We've been told repeatedly that a single follower is all a god needs to stay alive, but clearly they need more than that to come to life to begin with, or to be reborn - not everybody has Kristen's spark of divinity, it seems.
11) Can Lucy be revived slash can any of the Ratgrinders be saved?
Maybe. As always in Fantasy High, what happens depends to a very large degree on what the players want to do, and what the dice agree to. I DO think we'll see Lucy be brought back, even if just in an epilogue.
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brainonthebox · 1 day
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Shit. I just realized why Callalily Clerickiller's actions against Buddy weren't on the fly.
They always needed a cleric for their plans.
This is a God-summoning we're talking about. Having someone with powers based on worship is REQUIRED for shit like this. Problem is, they keep killing clerics who "stick to their guns" instead of falling in line. Which makes me wonder... since they specifically requested Buddy, did they know he would be malleable enough to convert? Or maybe he was convinced with a honeyed-tongue.
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dubiouslymelly · 28 days
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oh youre a lesbian couple? which one of you is doubt, mystery and the night and which one of you is of summer, conviction and the sun?
unrelated question: if one of you were corrupted would you try to corrupt the other? completely unrelated. btw.
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halcyon-autumn · 7 days
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If I had a nickel for every time a cleric of Helio died, met Helio, and then starting worshipping a dead deity instead I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's hilarious that it's happened twice
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I don’t know how I’ve just realized this but like we’ve had a lot of injustice this season considering the fact that the big mystery is surrounding a fallen goddess of justice
Like we got
Riz possibly not being able to get into college
Sklonda having her pension withheld for no reason
Fig getting dropped from her record label
Gorgug having to take three years of artificer at once because he’s too nice (eventually having to shed that part of himself at times to succeed)
Fabian finally getting to go home to his mom after not seeing her for months only for her to immediately leave him alone for months on end when he clearly doesn’t know how to fend for himself
Adaine not performing well in class because she can’t afford her class despite having saved the world and literally being the elven oracle
Kristen literally getting expelled for something that had been cleared up before despite literally earning and working her ass off for an A
The Ratgrinders being so much farther ahead in everything than the Bad Kids because they found a way to cheat the system despite the Bad Kids literally saving the world
Like this definitely has something to do with the bringing back of the corrupted goddess of justice right?
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malachitebeck · 27 days
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I’m just saying that if two teenagers being crowned king and queen at a high school prom counted as a “king and queen being crowned anew in Solace” for an ancient curse on a giant dragon man, then a girl doing everything in her power to become Student Body President probably counts as a holy conquest worthy of her corrupted god.
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wyrmwright · 4 days
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doubt and conviction
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yourlazykitkat · 9 days
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Help it just hit me but Kristen’s mum saying “wasn’t it special that you, helio’s chosen, brought back the day” BUT NAH BABE. FIG HAD THE FINISHING BLOW ON THE NIGHT YORB. FIG WHO MIGHT BECOME A PALADIN OF ANKARNA, A GODDESS OF DAy AND JUSTICE.
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witchhazelnut · 26 days
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if fig and kristen not sisters, then why fig being set up as a narrative foil of ankarna’s (maybe even being groomed by porter to be her paladin as her corrupted rage form), who actually might uncorrupt her by believing in her as she was? “Goddess she was of righteousness and the clarity of conviction to act with all the burning fury of the sun. That those who would wrong her or her SISTER would not be allowed to let their wickedness spread.” idk sounds like german shepherd mode to me! sounds like being a paladin, not of kristen’s goddess but of kristen, to me! sounds like SISTERS to me!!
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rrat-king · 28 days
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"her sister was the light of her life."
thinking about ankarna and ruvina in comparison to cassandra and galicaea. a sister who would do anything for her sister and another who destroyed her own. ankarna and cassandra who were married, the goddess of conviction and the goddess of doubt destroyed by their own families. i just. her sister was the light of her life but cassandra couldn't have said the same
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the-littlest-laney · 6 days
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i know that i loved you but you loved me harder every time
cassandra (pre and post kristen) with ankarna for lizzy mcalpine’s “you forced me to”
i thought the song fit a tragic vibe like these two gods!! tragic yuri!!!
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let-me-sleep-or-die · 18 days
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Listen I’m hoping when we get Cassandra back and Ankarna for the first time that they immediately decide they are Kristen and Figs parents. like: “Ah yes Saint Kristen Applebees-“
“you mean my daughter.” “she brought you back from being a corrupted fey construction of fear and literal nightmares?”
“parenting really changes you<3”
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“Figeroth Faeth Archdevil of Rebellion-“
“and my favorite daughter :)”
“she laid claim to your domain, and played a song so metal she reconstructed your fire horse”
“I know isn’t my kid the best.”
Let the lesbian gods be moms
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