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chriscdcase95 · 2 years

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What if “No Way Home” had more “visitors” ?

So recently on my birthday, I went and watched No Way Home: More Fun Stuff.

Anyways, it got me to remember a post I wanted to write but never got around too when No Way Home was first released. Since I had the free time to get to that, I thought I’d write them down here.

As the title says, these would be my ideas for a No Way Home rewrite that involved more visitors. I’d write the fic myself, but I’m busy with multiple other WIP’s

Note: I bring up a Marvel/DC Crossover AU also shelved. The AU itself has nothing to do with these rewrites, but there was still a few things I thought was worth mentioning. I wrote one post about it here - though it’s a little out of date.

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1. First things first; a commonality with this is that some characters almost project their feelings and relationships towards others multiversal counterparts. What I mean is, I found it a little odd that no one points out how the multiversal visitors knew one another's counterparts.

Like imagine if we got Raimiverse!Norman learning that there was an Oscorp in the Webbverse; maybe he'd ask about it to Connors and Dillon, and would learn from Connors about how Webbverse!Norman is the mastermind behind this conspiracy, but they both find Raimiverse!Norman to be a “step up” from the Norman they knew.

When the Goblin gets Connors and Dillon on his side, he'd say something along the lines of "You two already work for me, if you think about it. Consider this a promotion!"

Meanwhile, Raimiverse!Octavious was acquainted with his universes Curt Connors', and he'd be a little taken aback by seeing Webbverse!Connors, how he works for Oscorp, how he became the Lizard. Connors would ask Octavious if his universes counterpart did the same; as far as Octavious knows, his world's Connors is still leading a successful career as a University Professor, even mentions Martha and Billy, which gets to Webbverse!Connors a little.

Later, we have a moment where it dawns on Toby's Peter that he's going up against an alternate version of one of his teachers. At the same time it dawns on Andrew's Peter that he's going up against an alternate version of the man who is directly or indirectly responsible for all the misery and mayhem in his life.

And finally, there's a bit where Flint Marko asks MCU!Peter a question, bringing up the uncomfortable subject of Uncle Ben. Marko remorsefully tells May and Peter that he killed Ben Parker in his universe. Peter admits that his Uncle Ben died when he was a younger kid, back in the MCU's 2007. "By this burglar" he doesn't remember. All Peter knows is that the burglar was arrested shortly after the fact. Marko apologizes, to which Peter replies "Don't worry. It's not your fault."

2. So Strange's spell pulls in people who knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man and/or died, right ? Well what if it didn't just extend to villains. Two people I'd like to see get pulled into the MCU would be TASM's George and Gwen Stacy. And Strange initially overlooks them in his search for "visitors" because they're too mundane.

I'm just picturing this sequence where the Stacey's goes looking for their family in the MCU, same as Raimiverse!Norman. George goes to the NYPD precinct, where he is briefly arrested for identity theft of MCU's George, and impersonating a dead officer. It's soon discovered that the MCU's version of George Stacy was a small-time cop, who was killed along with the rest of his family during a home invasion, in the late 2000's (shortly before the events of Iron Man).

When MCU!Peter meets Webbverse!Gwen and learns of George, he uses his pull with Happy to bail him out. Stacey's killer is presumed to be Mac Gargan after getting out on bail when MCU!George arrested him. But nothing concrete connects them - It's implied that cops on Gargan's payroll looked the other way and covered everything up - really shaking George's perception of "good cops" from his precinct. When George is up to speed on this multiverse mess, he reunites with his Gwen. Gwen, being Gwen, opts to help Peter, Michelle and Ned find and capture the other villains. You'd almost think there'd be a forced or awkward love triangle with Gwen and Michelle, but no they're pretty chill. Though Gwen barely keeps herself back from projecting her feelings for her Peter onto MCU!Peter.

Furthermore, when Gwen reunites with her dad, she talks about her life after he passed, but keeps her continued relationship with her Peter a secret, especially when it led to her death. When George inevitably finds out about it, he almost loses it and almost takes it out on MCU!Peter before calming himself from it.

My one issue is having Gwen (or George) be one of the visitors might nullify their tragedy. Especially if Andrew's Peter reunites with Gwen; suddenly his saving MJ loses its impact.

...which is why I had another idea for Gwen, but that's for later.

3. Venom, being involved in the plot.

Now I get it, the Venom tease was the joke, but if they were to utilize this ?

What if two Eddie Brock's were brought into the MCU ? Because Spider-Man 3 has its Eddie Brock learning about Spider-Man's identity and he dies fighting him. So we got Tom Hardy's Eddie and Venom, as well as Topher Grace's loose in the MCU. Both reaching out to Peter Parker. To differentiate the two, Grace's Eddie is nicknamed "Junior", since he always introduced himself as "Eddie Brock Junior".

While Hardy's Venom is still an Anti Hero, and his Eddie is considerably more friendly and empathetic towards Peter ? Grace's Eddie and Venom still play the villain role, and are portrayed as the only ones besides the Goblin who are completely irredeemable; being Kasady/Carnage in all but name.

This way, we get a "Spider-Man + Venom Teamup", and a "Spiderman vs Venom" story at the same time; we get Grace's Venom as a better shot at being a villain; and we get "Chad and Virgin" comparisons between the two, as a semi-Take That to Ramiverse's take on the character.

We'd also get expanded on the symbiote's Multiversal Hive Mind. While Grace and Hardy's symbiote are not the same entity, they still have linked minds. The reason Hardy's Venom is fixated on Peter Parker ? He subconsciously remembers the events of Spider-Man 3, especially how Toby's Peter rejected and killed his alternate self. He acts like a "bitter ex" about it, but begrudgingly agrees to help Holland's Peter. It's also jokingly suggested that much of Hardy!Venom's personality was subconsciously influenced by "Emo Peter".

Meanwhile, Raimiverse!Eddie and Venom are the absolute kings of "projecting their feelings onto multiversal counterparts". He simply wants to kill MCU!Peter, because he's a Peter Parker. If Webbverse!Gwen Stacy is part of the story, he'd project his previous feelings and relationship with Raimiverse!Gwen onto her; and yes, it would be played as him being a creepy incel. By contrast, Hardy's Eddie and Venom are genuinely gentlemanly and affable towards Gwen (more on that later).

At one point, Raimiverse!Venom would seek out and try to kill MCU!Jameson on a live broadcast, out of the other Jameson firing him. Jameson would be saved by Hardy!Venom and Spider-Man working together. After which, Hardy's Eddie/Venom angrily reprimands and intimidates Jameson for doxing a kid, and his lack of integrity as a journalist, basically bullying Jameson into meekly apologizing on a broadcast.

Later, Hardy's Eddie takes Peter out for drinks (Peter: "I'm not twenty one." Venom: "Fine! You get nothing!"). We find out the SSU and the Webbverse are one and the same. Hardy's Eddie was hired by his world's Daily Bugle to dig up what he can on his world's Spider-Man. When he found out his identity, it was between the events of TASM 1 and 2, when Andrew's Peter was still seventeen. He kept Peter's identity a secret out of integrity.

It also turns out Hardy's Eddie and Andrew's Peter (and Emma's Gwen) are casual acquaintances; in fact, they introduced Eddie and Anne. Venom feels a little jilted that Eddie kept this a secret from him, but gives it a pass because of the Anne thing.

Note: So about that DC/Marvel AU ? It's an MCU, Arrowverse, and DCEU world merger.

In this AU, a very similar scene occurs with Arrowverse!Kara doing the same in support of Peter; but as much as I love Kara (and Lena) being Mama Bears, it'd be more in character for Venom to pull this. Or hell, why not just have Eddie/Venom and Kara both have at it with Jameson.

4. This one's more for a joke.

I thought if Charlie Cox's Matt Murdock is in a movie where the multiverse is a thing - a movie that features Jon Faverau, no less ? - Why not Shout Out to 2003's Daredevil ?

Toby's Peter spends a few days going around the MCU, looking into things. He finds out about Nelson and Murdock Law Office, and their handling of the Mysterio case, and investigates them. Raimiverse!Peter has a quick encounter with Happy at these offices, but briefly mistakes him for Foggy (within earshot Henson's Foggy), before correcting himself.

The implication being that Daredevil 2003 is set in the Raimiverse, and that Toby's Peter is at least familiar with Affleck's Matt, and Faverau's Foggy. For those who don't know, there was a (non canon) animated series based off the Raimi films, in which Michael Clarke Duncan reprises his role as Wilson Fisk.

Note: I also had a similar joke for the Marvel/DC crossover AU.

It would turn out members of Wayne Industries were involved in the Mysterio conspiracy (Wayne Industries often former Stark employee, and used the company's money and resources as part of the scheme). Affleck's Bruce Wayne, as well as Happy, end up attending a meeting with Charlie's Matt and Elden's Foggy to discuss this matter.

The joke was nothing more than "Hey, it's the old Matt and Foggy in the same room as the new ones!" 5. Harry Osborn.

When Norman is first wandering the MCU’s New York, he hears of a "Harry Osborn" being arrested for assaulting a security guard at the MCU’s Ravencroft. Norman rushes to the police station, introducing himself as Harry's father...only to find out that it's Dane DeHaan’s Harry, much to Norman’s confusion.

DeHaan's Harry thinks Dafoe's Norman is some crazy homeless guy, and pushes him away. Harry ends up in jail since neither he nor Norman have the money to bail him out, but Peter and Happy use their pull to get Harry bailed out. Harry soon learns of the multiverse, that Raimiverse!Norman is an alternate version of his father, and that Raimiverse!Norman and Harry had a considerably more loving relationship.

Norman learns from Marko what his Harry was up to, and is horrified to hear of his death. He also learns of the Oscorp conspiracy of the Webbverse from Max, Connors, and Harry. All the while, the Green Goblin is pleased to hear that his Webbverse counterpart had an "empire" at his fingertips, and considers the Webbverse the next world to conquer after the MCU.

While Peter is working on trying to cure the villains, Norman makes an attempt to connect with Harry. Harry's a little taken aback because his father had little care for him, and it's clear that Norman is kind of projecting the other Harry onto him. It doesn't work as well as Norman hoped, especially when Harry brings up the ruthless streak he took before becoming his worlds Goblin, and even the murder of Gwen Stacy - all without the split personality of the Goblin.

Norman is also put off to learn that this Harry was continuing his work from jail, and that he has no remorse for killing Gwen. The Green Goblin is pleased to hear that, thinking Webbverse!Harry makes for a worthy successor than his Harry. The Goblin slips through the cracks here and there and encourages Harry's ruthless streak, and uses "Norman" to give Harry validation that he's been seeking. They secretly work together to modify the Goblin serum with the spider venom in Harry's blood, which "Norman" takes for enhancements.

The Goblin would then leave Harry to die in the destruction of Happy's apartment; "Sorry kid. Gods don't need heirs." Harry would be rescued from the wreckage and begrudgingly conscripted into working on cures with the three Peter's; Andrew's Peter especially holding animosity towards him. Though the blow is lessened if he finds out Gwen was pulled into the MCU as well.

The part where I get iffy on if Franco's Harry should also be pulled into the MCU ? He knows Peter's identity and he died at the end of Spider-Man 3. And while I’d like to see Franco's and DeHaan's Harrys play off each other...at the same time I worry it nullifies Franco's send off in Spider-Man 3. I genuinely thought it was a decent end to his arc. And Norman returning to a world where his son has been dead for years adds to the tragedy of his character.

Plus, what would Franco's Harry do that he already hasn't done in Spider-Man 3 ? Show up in the third act and help fight the other villains ? It'd be too redundant.

As for DeHaan's Harry ? He's get's the more bitter and tragic send off. He's pulled back into his universe, he's cured of his disease, but he's not really redeemed. But just when he thought he found a version of his father who cared about him, he's manipulated again, and is set to go back to jail, with nothing else to do but continue Oscorp's work from behind the bars. And it's not like he and Andrew's Peter reconcile; again, nothing short of Gwen being in the story would soften the blow.

He's "fixed"...but he's still broken. 6. Alternate Gwen Stacey idea.

So one idea I had was Gwen being present throughout NWH, and as much as I like the idea of Gwen joining MCU!Peter, MJ and Ned...I'd feel it's nullify the impact her death still has on Andrew's Peter, and his saving MJ would be less of redeeming a past failure.

With that said, I had another idea involving Gwen, that could even work for a No Way Home sequel.

When the fabric of the multiverse begins to rip open, Strange does his memory wipe and closes off the multiverse, one straggler falls through. That would be Gwen, and since she's not from the MCU, the memory wipe has no effect on her. Since Gwen was one person, and considerably mundane, it was easy for Strange to overlook her.

Initially displaced and confused, Gwen soon learns that it's 2023/4 in this world, and that superheroes, aliens and magic are common. To find her footing in this world, Gwen applies to Stark Industries, quickly getting into the same position she was at Oscorp, while looking into the Stacey family in the MCU. The same backstory is used; MCU!George Stacey was a small-time cop, who arrested Mac Gargan before he was released on parole; shortly after, the whole Stacey family was killed in a home invasion.

Furthermore, Gwen learns of this worlds Spider-Man's previous ties to The Avengers, and the Mysterio controversy; while no one remembers Peter himself, Mysterio's attempt to frame Spider-Man otherwise went the same; and as of the memory wipe, seemingly the only Avengers who knew Spider-Man's identity are either dead, or didn't interact with him long enough to remember him anyways.

This would include Michelle and Ned, who have memories of Spider-Man, but the memories of Peter are blank, leaving gaps in their memory the more they think about it.

Gwen eventually tracks down and reaches out to MCU's Peter. Peter's very reluctant to let her in, but he feels he needs someone to show he's not alone, though Gwen tells Peter she intends to return to her home. Peter is further reluctant considering that tampering with the multiverse got him into this mess in the first place.

Even so, Gwen learns of Peter's old life and takes it upon herself to try to get it back on track, while trying to find her own way home. She tries to reintroduce Peter with Ned and MJ, despite Peter's resistance and reluctance.

Would Gwen and MCU!Peter hook up ? Maybe ? It's a dynamic I wouldn't mind seeing, but I think the actual relationship would have an underlying toxicity.

Peter accepts Gwen's company, but it's clear he's using her as an emotional crutch - and is still holding a torch for MJ - while Gwen is subconsciously projecting her relationship with her Peter onto his MCU counterpart. Not helping in that in her attempts to reconnect Peter with his old life, Gwen genuinely befriends Michelle and starts to feel guilty over this relationship; especially since she’s still trying to return home with Andrew’s Peter still out there..

I would think Gwen's arc would ultimately end with her returning to her world, but not before she gets Spider powers of her own. How ? I haven't thought through. One idea I had was that the memory spell is reversed just enough to punch a small hole into the multiverse, allowing her to slip through. This would lead to a Spider-Gwen solo film set in the SSU.

However, this rip in the multiverse leads to one universe bleeding into another; revealing the X-Men film series to be an adjacent universe; leading to a new big crossover event, and the MCU debuted of-

Though if I’m being realistic ? I’m betting that No Way Home’s ending alone is what brings Wade to the MCU, but that’s a whole other post.

Back to the Marvel/DC crossover AU: I’ve also been wanting to do a post No Way Home story that features Peter ending up in Gotham (Post Zack Snyder’s Justice League and Post Bird’s of Prey).

It would have involved Bruce looking into Mysterio conspiracy further, due to former Wayne employees being involved. He ends up investigating Spider-Man for his supposed involvement, while avoiding his mistakes in Batman V. Superman, while Peter continuously rejects Batman’s help as he’s still aiming for independence (he’s also aware of Batman’s rep from BVS).

I also never could decide on a villain.

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magicalmonsterhero · 3 years

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Feedback Needed: Danny Phantom Story Ideas

Exactly as it says on the tin: I have a few story ideas, but I need some input/feedback, not just likes. While they are mostly for worldbuilding purposes, I plan to give at least one of these an individual post.

These ideas are, to varying degrees, inspired by the numerous similarities between Danny and Peter Parker. Heck, TVTropes even lists him as an example under Spider-Man Send-Up.

Idea #1: Alternate Dannys

A while back, I stumbled upon @nastyburger‘s Dannyverse AU, which was clearly inspired by Into the Spider-Verse. While only five alternates showed up in the movie (not counting Miles Morales since it’s his world), there are a lot of parallel world Spiders in the comics and the Ultimate cartoon. I’m personally interested in seeing your takes on DP equivalents of the following alternates/worlds:

-Miles

-Noir

-2099

-MC2

Idea #2: Other Hero Parallels

Very little is known of the world outside Amity Park, the Ghost Zone, and ghost-related things. Honestly, who’s to say there aren’t any werebeasts, demons, witches, or fae, among other paranormal or otherwise not-so-ordinary things. Continuing the Danny/Peter comparison, it’s not unlike how the Raimi trilogy and Amazing duology gave us no information on whether or not any other Marvel heroes existed in their respective universes. Of course, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence--for all we know, the Raimiverse could have its own versions of Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, etc.--but if we consider Danny a parallel to Spidey, what would his world’s equivalents of other Marvel heroes be like? You don’t even need to have said equivalents be obvious: for example, the Thor counterpart need not be a thunder deity or from Norse legend.

Idea #3: Phantom Phorce

As I mentioned earlier, we know practically nothing about the paranatural side that doesn’t involve ghosts, so the phandom is free to use their own ideas for how other supernatural beings work. I myself have an ‘expanded team’ concept which involves coming up with such ideas. While it’s far from complete, I’m happy to share what I’ve got so far in hopes of positive feedback and/or suggestions:

-Dash: Some of you may think I’m out of my mind, but considering Dash is clearly based on Flash Thompson, I’m surprised people haven’t compared the two more thoroughly. Flash has undergone a lot of character development since the webslinger’s early days, even becoming a hero in his own right as Agent Venom. Since there’s no obvious Venom parallel in DP canon, I’ve had to come up with my own--I’m not going too far into detail here, but I will say the counterpart to the Venom symbiote is demonic in origin.

(This particular idea is actually what started the ball rolling, which is why it comes first.)

-Sam: As it turns out, Sam’s part of a long line of hereditary witches, but her mother Pamela, who was unlucky enough to not have any powers (inherited magic occasionally skips a generation), did everything in her power to keep her powers from awakening. Unfortunately for Pamela, her attempts were all for nothing, as the ghost of her and Sam’s ancestor helped Sam discover and embrace her destiny.

-Tucker: Not wanting to be stuck on the sidelines, Tucker takes the position of ‘tech guy’ to the next level by implanting specialized microchips under his skin (with help from Danny’s intangibility powers). Said chips enable him to remotely hack and control all tech within a certain range, much like the ones Tony developed in Iron Man 3. I’m thinking of having him make other equipment himself, but I’m not sure of the specifics ATM.

-Star: After the ‘ghost flu’ affair (i.e. Doctor’s Disorders), those who were afflicted were required to have a bit of bloodwork done to make sure there wouldn’t be any negative aftereffects. Most of the results displayed nothing unusual, but Star’s blood revealed that her mother’s husband was not her biological father. However, it was not until just after Sam became a witch that Star began to experience several changes, culminating in her entering a flower bud-like cocoon. While she slept, she was contacted through her dreams by her birth father, who turned out to be one of the Fair Folk, making Star half fae.

I also intend to have Paulina and Kwan join the party, though I’m still working out the details for their roles--all I’ve decided so far is that Paulina becomes a werebeast (not sure what animal) and Kwan is an elemental (either earth or water). Valerie’s part of the team too, albeit as the ‘Badass Normal’ member.

Anyone interested in learning more about any of these ideas, feel free to send me an ask. Same goes for anyone who’s got a suggestion or two.

#Danny Phantom #fanfic ideas #worldbuilding #alternate universes

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