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lord-squiggletits · 1 month

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After I write that new IDW Optimus meta, the next one is gonna be a post of "why I really hate that theory about Rodimus being a better Prime than Optimus and how it doesn't even match the themes of IDW OR canon fact about how the Matrix functions."

But the TLDR that I feel like encapsulates where a lot of this fanwank comes from, is that I feel like ppl don't properly appreciate that the context of Optimus and Rodimus' leaderships are extremely different.

Like, Rodimus only led a ship of about 200+ people. This means that the scale of his leadership responsibilities and the risks/consequences/stakes of his actions as leader were much smaller in scale. However, it also means that just because he only led one ship of people doesn't mean that his choices weren't important/weren't indicative of his personal character (that is to say, just bc it was only one ship doesn't mean that it had no meaning or significance at all).

On the other hand, Optimus led an entire freaking army over a 4 million year war that arose from political tensions that began even before he/most of the people in the war were born. That means that the consequences of his leadership had extremely far reaching consequences no matter what he did, which grants him a large degree of culpability/blame for his actions. HOWEVER, it must also be said that under the pressure of fighting an impossible war, just because OP wasn't able to "stop it sooner" doesn't mean that he was a morally bad/incompetent leader, because a whole galactic war is such a huge burden that one person can't possibly stop it or influence/control everything to make the most morally correct and peace-causing decisions.

TLDR can we please stop pitting Optimus and Rodimus against each other when the contexts of them being leaders was so vastly different (and they had such different leadership styles in general) that you can't really say "who's the better leader" without minimizing either of their accomplishments/magnifying their respective flaws.

Also, canonically speaking the Matrix can be wielded by anyone who's confident/at peace/self-righteous enough to believe they're worthy of it, which was shown not only by the ending of LL where a bunch of regular ass crewmates were able to use copies of the Matrix, but by the fact that the first Prime/ruler of Cybertron Nova Prime was a massive piece of shit who colonized people, yet was still a Matrix bearer who wielded the true/original Matrix.

And also Primus is literally Just Some Guy and not some omnipotent god who's an objective arbiter of morality that can point at a guy and go "YOU are the Specialest Boy Ever and are Divinely Mandated To Be A Good person"

So the entire premise of why ppl even make theories and debate about this is beyond me lol. In IDW1 the Matrix is more of a social/cultural symbol than it is an actual measurer of morality, which is in line with IDW1's consistent themes of challenging the inherent rightness of authority

#squiggposting #like frex i wouldn't say rod is inherently a worse leader just bc OP was a general and he wasn't #not every good leader needs to be The Top Leader In Charge and small scale impacts are important in their own way #likewise i wouldn't say that OP is inherently a worse leader because bigger and badder things happened under his leadership #bc the problem is that when you're a leader of a whole ass army the scale of all of your actions is much larger #so just as your heroic deeds and victories will be larger. so too will your fuckups and flaws #OP and Rod are also both good people with good intentions so like #which one of them is a 'better person' is generally subjective and more up to how you individually measure their virtues/vices #meta #i mean literally one of the central sources of conflict in idw1 (functionism) was put into place by a religious body #sooooooo why is it ppl are using the matrix as a religious justification for who The Best Prime is?#like bud the last time cybertronians used religion/alleged godhood as justification for their leader/government #they invented a fucking caste system and colonized the galaxy #even if the matrix had some divine power to objectively decide on Moral Goodness it's kind of a shit judge of character

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kingangelrose · 4 years

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RWBY Volume 7 Chapter 12 Recap

After hearing Ruby’s warning of Ironwood’s plan of martial law, Robyn wouldn’t let that come to fruition, Clover tries to explain to both of them that he is ensured that Ironwood knows the risks of his plan, but before he could explain any further, there was an alert that the heroes were wanted and were to be detained on sight.

Knowing this, Clover was prepared to arrest Qrow on the spot, in which Qrow himself was confused about, But Robyn wouldn’t let that happen as she points her weapon at Clover, saying that they have underestimated her again if they thought that she wouldn’t stop Ironwood’s inhumane plan, while a arrested Tyrian was egging the situation on.

Robyn took the first shot and fired at Clover, he blocked it with his fishing rod weapon, Qrow stepped in the encounter and tried to stop Clover and Robyn from going any further in which Clover said to Qrow that he didn’t want this to, and Qrow replied by saying it didn’t have to, but Robyn was determined to take Clover down. Clover attempted to grab Robyn’s weapon with his hook, but Robyn deflected the hook, and it ended up breaking the metal tube that held, breaking him free. While still handcuffed, he took control of the airship, before he crashed it, Clover escaped in time and Tyrian said that it was all the will of his goddess, Salem.

Penny wondered why Ironwood would leave Mantle to perish, Winter replied to that by saying that he is saving Remnant, and the relics or the maiden can’t fall into Salem’s hands. Penny tells Winter that the people of Mantle won’t survive if Ironwood’s plan come to fruition and asked if that didn’t bother her, Winter replied by saying her personal feelings don’t matter and that orders come first, Penny then said that personal feelings should matter.

Winter lets go of her tough exterior and says to Penny that Ironwood is making the tough decisions so they won’t have to for the good of all, not just a few, Penny says that she doesn’t see the good in this whole situation, in which Winter agreed to.

Back in Ironwood’s office, Team RWBY and four of the Ace-Ops were about to face off, Vine said to Team RWBY to not make the situation difficult, but Blake said to him to not make them leave by force. Marrow asked if they were really going to fight them, Harriet then said to Marrow that the heroes have to decide what next.

“You really think you can stop us? We’re the best huntsman in Atlas” - Harriet Bree “You were....until you trained us!” - Ruby Rose

Ruby escaped the room using her speed to escape the office to lure Harriet into chase and the fight was on against Team RWBY and the Ace-Ops. Ruby tries to explain to Harriet that they’re playing right into Salem’s hand, but Harriet didn’t want to hear a word from her and that she pegged the heroes from the start.

Elm and Vine fought with Blake and Yang, during the fight, Vine grabbed Blake with his semblance arm and threw him to Elm, grabbing her and trapping her with her hammer, Vine tries to reason with them and says that if they come peacefully, no further harm will come to them, Elm told Vine to speak for himself and says they betrayed them, Blake said to Elm that her and the Ace-Ops are betraying the people they swore to protect, Yang told Blake to not bother changing their minds, they had orders after all.

Weiss fought against Marrow, who was still wanting not to fight by saying to Weiss that regardless of her being a Schnee and getting what she wants, it was time to let this one go, but Weiss replied, along with summoning her knight, by saying Atlas was her home and wasn’t going to go down with a fight.

In the crashed ruins of the ship, everyone survived, including an unconscious Robyn, before facing off, Clover telling to Qrow to surrender so they can get Roybn back to Atlas to get her healed up, but Qrow refused to as pulled his scythe out, ready to fight, Clover says that he enjoyed working with Qrow, and they don’t have to fight.

“You don’t know my friends, that’s how it always goes” - Qrow Branwen

While they were fighting, Tyrian, breaking his finger in the process, managed to break free of the cuffs and join in the fight. When he did, Qrow said to Tyrian that they were going to settle the score, Tyrian then said that they would have to get Clover out of the way for that to happen, then this one on one fight became a Triple Threat and a 2 on 1 fight at the same time between Qrow, Clover and Tyrian.

Ruby lured Harriet back to the office where Weiss and Marrow were still fighting, Harriet told Marrow to stop holding back, Marrow replied by saying that he is trying to arrest her and not kill her, telling Marrow that she is being excessive, Harriet says that it isn’t excessive if it’s necessary, Ruby then escaped the office again to lure Harriet out again.

Blake and Yang were managing to hold there own against Vine and Elm, but during the fight, Elm swung her hammer at Blake, hitting her and sending her up in the air, Vine caught her in mid-air and slammed her against the upper wall, causing her her semblance in the process, Elm tells Vine to not go soft and that it was time to end the fight, Vine said the same to Elm to not go soft herself, basically saying to not hold back anymore.

Vine threw a piece of the wall debris at Yang, but she caught, placing detonation beads on them, she threw it up in the air and Blake kicked it towards Vine, he destroyed the debris and reach and grabbed Blake, but what he actually grabbed was an illusion, along with the detonation beads that were attached to it, they blew up, causing Vine to do up in the air, Yang flew up to where he was, cuffed him in mid-air and slammed him down to the ground, defeating him.

Weiss summoned ice sickles onto the walls and pushed Marrow towards them without skewering him, she used the knight to strike him, but Marrow used the sickles as platforms to use his time manipulation semblance on Weiss, as well as the knight afterwards, however, Weiss broke free of it as she shot fire projectiles at Marrow, defeating him.

The destroyed ground under them gave Yang the chance to keep Elm from locking her feet down using her semblance by punching it, causing a shock wave, sending Elm up in the air, giving both Yang and Blake the chance to strike Elm down from both directions, defeating her.

Ruby managed to cuff Harriet using her speed to evade Harriet’s strikes, but Harriet still could fight even while being handcuffed, Harriet attempted to strike Ruby with another high speed strike, but was blocked and hit by Weiss’ ice wall, Harriet’s resiliency wanted to stay with her, but the impact of that wall, knocked her out.

After Team RWBY defeated, Ruby said that they need to stop Ironwood from getting to the relic to move Atlas, Weiss then says that they have to get to Winter Maiden first, Yang says that her and Blake will find Team JNR and Oscar, before Ruby says that their scrolls don’t work, Maria and Pietro arrive on the scene. “This is the part where they ask us to help” - Maria Calavera

Back to Team JNR, they were wondering where Oscar was, Nora went to look for him, then he sees him at the end of the hallway, Nora ran to hug him, but then the real Oscar Pine arrived and punched the fake Oscar who was revealed as Neo, Oscar got the relic back in the process, while Neo was ready to fight.

Arriving to the hideout, Winter and Penny were prepared to start the Maiden Transfer, Winter says that her personal feelings won’t change her actions, saying that the power of the winter maiden must be kept away from their enemies, even if Fria dies, but she also says that they must acknowledge and wrestle with their personal feelings, it ensures that they are on the right path, that it makes them human, Penny says that she understands.

Suddenly, a loud thud is heard from the outside, and in the dark hallways, Winter had seen Cinder at the end of it, Winter ran back and shut the door, but Cinder blew a hole through the wall encountering both Winter and Penny, Penny recognized her, saying she was responsible for Beacon and what happened to her back then, Cinder replies by saying it was unfortunately temporary.

“Now step aside, or there won’t be anything to salvage this time, what do you think of that?” - Cinder Fall “I think....it gives me personal feelings!” - Penny Polendina

Clover tries to hold his own against both Qrow and Tyrian, but the two on one ordeal was too much for even he could handle, Clover tied up and retrained Tyrian for the moment, but the moment he did, Qrow delivered a hard punch to the abdomen of Clover, costing him the last of his aura.

Qrow then asked Clover why he couldn’t have done the right thing instead of what he was told to do, Clover replied by saying sometimes the right decisions are the hardest to make, that he trusts Ironwood with his very life, just like he wanted to trust Qrow as well.

But while Qrow’s intention was to stop Clover...

Tyrian’s intention was always to kill as he uses Qrow’s weapon to stab through the chest of Clover from behind with a devious smile on his face.

Qrow enraged says to Tyrian that he will kill him for what he did, Tyrian responded by asking how he killed Clover, by saying that, Tyrian would put down Qrow’s weapon as an Atlas airship arrived above them. Qrow attempts to punch Tyrian, but it was dodged, Tyrian then says that the settled score between them will have to wait, saying that he ran away, Qrow wanted to chase after him, but went to check on a dying Clover.

Clover, lying on the ground, bleeding out, said to Qrow that someone had to take the fall, Qrow then promises to Clover that Ironwood will take the fall, he will make sure of it, and as the sunsets, Clover uttered his last words... “Good Luck...” - Clover Ebi With that, Clover took his last breath, and his life came to a tragic end. Qrow was left yelling in anguish and grief over the death of his partner.

------- Goodbye, Clover. You were lucky til the very end. Only one more chapter left, let’s just pray no one else meets the same fate.

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winter-chill · 4 years

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RWBY 7 - 3 “Ace Operatives” Thoughts

So thoughts...

BOO!!! they didn't work on stuff themselves.. although if it was Pietro and not just random scientists, I'll let it go :) And i'l give him props for using the Amity fights footage (i'll talk more on weapons later)

Oh, dust mines, launch site... ghiest, oh that's gonna bring back some memories

God Nora being so giddy about her stuff puts a smile on my face

and the Blake/Yang nod, the first of so many bumbleby touches this ep

They're really trying to hit hard again with Jaune and that sash, though it was a good set up for his hair cut (since I wouldn't really think of cutting it now when he's in a cold climate ideal)

Another very slight, but nice detail about having Yang be actually armless, not just fixing it while it's on her. We need more points like this, or maybe i just like the idea of it, but having those details shown off and not forgotten is nice. Also that's a beefy arm, though I swear it looks larger in the intro?

Again, having Blake have an onscreen notice of her hair leads well into why it's cut (though not showing it on screen? nor how/why her weapon's fix being gold... missed opportunity , truly)

WAIT??? Ruby got a NEW cloak? BOO, I would have thought her current one was still the original, has she been swapping it with each outfit? but, all the cuts and tears, the detail and history from her past fights, lost :(

I'll talk about the Oscar scene when it shows up, not here

Again, lovely intro to their new looks, but... could have been more. Showing them actually zip things up, buckle them in, cutting their hair themselves. Just lots of little details that would have added so much

I'll say it again, I think Yang's new glasses look weird.. too anime for the actual show style, but, I guess they 'work' ?

Also they all look to Ruby, this is her mission, her shot to call, she's back with her team (just rwby) for the first time so it's good to see them keeping the team dynamic, she was leader for a reason.

OH THIS SONG IS A BANGER!!!! also, totally a Weiss song (it said mirror)

Bunny hopping Ruby :D adorable

SUMMON SWORD SURFING!!! Finally

Blake really making the use of that ribbon, a little detail they again seem to forget about during most of 4-6 until it's necessary (running from adam in V6)

And... yep, no nonsense Yang sticking with the classics, recoil (( I take it back, Yang's arm is the same as the intro, though I still think it somehow got bigger than when she put it on ))

And end it all on an amazing pose shot

Okay Ace ops time. Harriet, let me see what that little backpack thing do. But for serious, rolling only stops you from getting hurt on small drops, not several hundred foot... Marrow though taking a similar root to Ruby, seeming to ride it down, but he's doing some troll physics there, "stand on chair, jump off building, jump off chair at last moment, you only actually fell 2 foot"

Also, boomerang, gun? Honestly I kind of dislike the generic gun looking form, would have been cooler if it didn't change, but just had a little barrel pop out an end when he needed to shoot.

And now JN- OMG ELM YES, Loving the attitude. Oh Vine what's that on your back? you wielding an expanding throwing star (three pronged)

erm, right... JN_R

so, we got, some sick new looks, Ren's ponytail especially. Jaune's hair (i was one to hate it at first) in motion looks great, the concept art didn't do it justice. Also holding his sword on his arm..... kind of reminds me of @kumafromtaiwan's design for Jaune

"okay Jaune, you got this, it's not gonna be like Beacon all over again"

Oh, is he gonna use his shield like a plow, smashing through rocks, or maybe as a wing and glide do............................

DID JAUNE JUST FORTNITE PARACHUTE SHIELD HIS ASS TO THE GROUND?

Moving on though, yep, Hard light dust was a genius move he would have stuck in his head from Argus, and opens up the question of adding (what i'm dubbing) Shield Shield, with his V4 Nuckelavee Sword Sword, to make hard light blades.... SWORD SWORD SWORD???

a quick little peak at his shield, the emblem lighting up as he shoots a blast to bounce him from hitting the floor, that better be used later too.

And another amazing pose shot!

Oh Elm, you really need to work on your social skills. Actually maybe all the Ace ops do?

POUTY NORA!!!

and, good luck bad luck duo for the final team, this'll be fun.

NEW SCROLLS! Love them, slim and cool, and with new team icons (c'mon girls, smile for your picture)

and that detail on how Ruby zoomed, Weiss had to summon, and Yang had some energy stored up, so their aura is down a bit, but Blake is 100%

THE EARS, THEY SENSE BEES

Oh Yang, adorable goof

Oh Blake, also an dorable goof!!!

And Marrow is indeed the baby of the squad, you said it well Harriet, if a tad harsh?

Weiss no, this is a bad place for your name, but you're here to make it a better one, to fix that remember!!

Has.. has no one taught Ruby to project her aura to keep her warm, or at the others just dealing with it better? Either way, same Ruby, i hate the cold

Okay, yes, Oscar chat time

I don't know what to say, I agreed with it the whole time. Atlas is in a mess, there are good and bad times to tell people, and it's nice that Ruby has her intentions, but this may have been the same path Ozma first took, hiding things "for now" but never finding a chance to tell the truth later... they just need to keep it in mind.

And Oscar, please look after the Relic, I can already see red flags over your head the moment you took it, be that from Ironwood doing shady shit, Watts/Tyrian stealing it, or Ozpin popping back up to use it's last question.

OH, Clover, hitting a man hard with that, bringing up STRQ :/ all those fanfics of Qrow ('s semblance) being behind Summer's death, they all feel more realistic

I almost forgot, Qrow's looking snazzy too, those cross buttons, the eye/feather emblem embroidery in the sleeves. No... no necklace though?

Oh god Qrow's getting shipped with everyone this volume it seems. Good catch Clover.... I MEAN LITERAL CATCH

Halfick? Halphr... what did he say? Don't bullshit me captions, that wasn't alpha

REN!!! PAY YOUR GIRLFRIEND SOME ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!! Jaune you dork, nice try?

Another great Bee moment, Yang too can sense a disturbance in the force.

Weiss this is great, but can you keep your emotional daddy issues and the racial discrimination of a whole people a little more separate. But it's nice to again see you trying to make some amends and distance yourself from being.. well, 'Jacques' and his actions

OOF, Marrow coming in, hitting hard, and then acting like he's.... a millennial "I'm just a teen who does research, what do I know, boomer"

this scene though. Issues and history of faunus oppression, followed by a Schnee apolagy, and a faunus using her traits to help fix the past for a new future... that's some symbolism

Oh, a jump scare, good thing about Blake's semblance there too

HARRIET YES!!!! BIG FISTS, JUST WHAT I WANTED!!! PUNCH THAT ROCK

And RW_Y right behind already running before the rumbles settled to help their girl

I LOVE THE GRIMM IN ATLAS. don't get me wrong, Deathstalkers are still top tier, but these things are awesome too

and now we get to upgrades!

Nice, so Yang has some trigger-able explosives, so she doesn't have to rely on her semblance to protect her when she's using his shotgun blasts

A subtle little thing there, Weiss being able to shoot an icle, not doing so from a glyph, but from the gun part of

Myrtenaster directly

Okay yes, this bugged me for so long. A scythe is a big weapon, the weight is in the blade as much as it is the handle, so having to turn it around all the time would be unwieldy and difficult in combat, so just a tiny upgrade like this is both smart, and amazing for Ruby to have realised she needed

Although I still don't get how shotting a bullet down the barrel, can give her swings an initial boost of speed........

Marrow really out here flying though the sky like he's on a zipline? though the buzz saw boomerang is, again, brilliant

Oh................ So the boy who cried wolf, can pause time? I erm- actually hold on, I need to figure out how that's logical......

I'm just gonna guess it's more "Harriet is moving so fast, he did this for dramatic affect XD

JN_R once again, taking a moment, a little nervous but willing and--- now they're very much not nervous, doing their thing, never first to run in, but never first to run away either.

Also, Vine has a stetchy arm semblance, and Elm has rooting feet semblance. Ye they make a good team (i ship them)

THERE'S THAT PURPLE SHIELD BLAST

And finally StormFlower is getting some love. I don't think they look different, but having those blades be used in more various ways... grapples were a great idea

and again, Nora using that spiked back of Magnahild for more than a place to stand when she launches herself, loving it!!!

Oh Jaune, being nervous dorky, Nora a little ashamed? or ready to be.. and Ren, quiet as ever (i think he's kind of looking up to Vine honestly) don't worry though, you kids did good

OH Harriet... you don't wanna be left out of the action do you :) RUBY YOU DORK! And that little back+forth was actually hilarious

Hmm, I was always wondering how a fishing rod could be a weapon.. i guess pulling a grimm in works, but what was your plan then, to punch the Ghiest?

OH MY GOD THAT ANIMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

again, what are you doing Clover? At least Qrow knows his semblance, acting all "i'm gonna look around, things could easily go wrong here"

Good luck bad luck eh? OH MY GOD Qrow don't make that face, the people are gonna ship you two even harder now!!!

And the hammer duo charging in first... ye Elm/Vine is just Atlas' Renora, and I love that dynamic

oh, weird dust draft from Ren stopping, sweat boiling on the rocks... this room is gonna be interesting, mess things up a bit? fluxuating gravity, hot and cold spots maybe??? Ah yes, dust energy... makes sense

And Marrow in the background while we hear him on the coms, just a great little look at how Vine seems to be "distant" from the moment, doing the whole, Ren style of vague-speak

Ye it is kinda empt-- oh. Also good work having not just the face move, but the whole midsection being rotated... kind of as if, the face is stuck to that one position... COINCIDENCE?

Erm, does this one seem bigger than the V4 Ghiest?

And now we see Ruby trying to act as leader, pause to think, to come up with a plan, where as the Ace (while more experienced) seem to have both a plan on how to take it out, and might also be a little to reliant on Clover, knowing his semblance will fix any little issues

Oh that trumpet, a very self-knowing victorious tune.

And again, Vine and Elm doing a whole of semblance work, shame we don't see them use their weapons a bit more here, same with Marrow though not using his semblance (whatever it is) at all.

HEY WAIT. those black parts weren't there earlier, nor did they appear on the V4 Grimm until it needed them to pull toge- oh... they stretched the limbs to force both a space to cut them, and for the grimm parts to sort of 'be revealed'

And another eye colour semblance indication. Loving the runners pose Harriet does too. She's not time-pausing fast... (I take back what I said about Marrow's semblance earlier?) but things do act slower, even while she's running quicker than we'd see as normal in that moment. It's not time-pausing, but it's very very fast. And the motion blur trail!!, just a tiny effect, but it adds so much detail

Marrow really is the child of the squad, he's the one to make a mistake, but again- kind of had to rely on Clover there.. Interesting to see how things pan out when he's inevitably killed, or trapped, or just isn't there

Little details here and there. Vine using his semblance not just to grab, but to push the grimm back. Harriet taunting it to get it's attention and then getting out before it can hit her (but late enough that it keeps it's attention on her and really slams it's fist down). Elm again sticking to her name, rooting that fist down, being basically an anchor in all her actions. And Marrow... throwing his boomerang

UGH.. that little medallion touch pisses me off somehow, it's so pretentious? but anyway, he had a good idea, pulling it out by it's mask, kinda really relying on his semblance to get between it and the ice chunk without bouncing off anything. Again, very semblance reliant group

Erm... she punched the grimm.. but i wouldn't say it's dead.. are we gonna ignore that??? IT'S GONNA RETURN LATER I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT

Vine again grabbing dust, would have loved to have seen Elm basically kick one to stick it to her feet instead of just catching (or pinning herself to a wall to catch it, as if it was too high to jump and catch)

And Harriet going in for the catch, only for....oh.. that's the first thing RWBY or JNR did this fight? (also no weird dust affects, i feel upset)

But ohhh, her semblance isn't speed. I had this same issue in last volume, that her semblance early on was supposed to be speed, and yet she uses it to fly, to separate into several for moments, and she can 'merge' with others to carry then, when like for Nora in V4 her reaction speed should have been way too slow to really be ready for when she was basically thrown at the previous ghiest

AY yep, I'm shocked if Ruby has control over her eyes, she never tried to flash them off during this whole scene... but again, after Maria's story, hiding them from people we don't fully trust is better

And another little bee moment, Yang flirting with them puns

Omg! Elm carrying Ruby, Yang and Nora dancing, love this group dynamic

Hey, it's that guy from last episode, why are we... Robyn?

huh, kinda spooky... flickering lights... Robyn, watts, or...

TYRIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why are you not wearing your coat, it's cold remember! but that entrance, reminds me again of that "Cheshire cat inspiration" people first thought of back in his V4 reveal

HIS EYES!!! So whatever he does that triggers them is still apparent, and his stinger either still uses his own venom, or it's semblance related

And that line. He's here to mix things up... either he's finally gonna kill someone and let the police find out (unlike last ep when his victim was in a building, it'll take time till that's discovered... oh wait, blood) or he's here for info maybe?

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