#Norman Ratri

[fullscoreshenanigans]

Norman ratri fuckery or maybe Norman in lambda scenario if im understanding this right!

For an AU with greater canon divergence, I like tinkering with the idea of Peter being more hands on in interacting with Norman to better contrast with Emma and Ray getting Lucas and Yuugo for father figures.

22194 has been a child of interest since he scored a perfect 300 on his first test at age four. Potentially even earlier than that, if, like Ray, the demons kept track of his pedigree and his mother was also a full scorer. Regardless of exactly when it started, he continues to capture the attention of researchers and the demon nobility alike, so by the time Legravalima gives approval for him to be sent to Lambda so she can avoid handing him over to the demon god, Peter was already aware of his general existence.

He's thrown for a loop when he meets him in person though. The only potential photographs he would have of Norman would be from when he was an infant at headquarters. His incredibly light/white hair on its own wouldn't have been enough to give him much pause, but now that his features have had more time to develop, Peter's a bit startled at the Ratri ones he can pick out.

(@bon-nii's comparison of James and Norman from chapters 173, 152, 126, and 154)

(Chapter 74)

There's a bit of vanity in him saying he's too young to be Norman's father (never mind he was eighteen when Norman was born), but combined with the boy's looks, the phrase sits at the back of his mind, nudging him until he can't ignore his curiosity any longer. He looks into the genealogy records at Grace Field headquarters until he can't find any recording of a sperm donor, which isn't more than a few generations back. Odd, given that Grace Field is the top premium farm, but sometimes such documentation snuck through the cracks, and it wasn't unheard of for the occasional scientist to consort with the Sister candidates prior to the refinement of artificial insemination.

It's one of Norman's blood samples that confirms someone from the family—either from the main one or the branch Andrew's from—fathered a daughter with a Sister, and that daughter went on to have a daughter who then bore a son.

Pulling this bit from an earlier post:

…I still have trouble wrapping my head around the idea of Peter knowingly and willingly [putting a Ratri child in the farm system] on the basis of viewing them as an extension of the clan rather than as individuals, so it’s almost like it’s a worse reflection on him not being able to restore the honor of this wayward branch of it by “salvaging” the traitor’s children and raising them “correctly.” He places such great value in being a Ratri and displays such disdain when speaking of the cattle children as food, it’s hard to see him sullying the line in any way by condemning a member to the fate of the latter as opposed to just outright killing them, even if said member was an infant. That’s still Ratri blood—his blood—that would be going into the farm system, and he would never let anyone as lowly as food have any sort of claim to such a noble and prestigious status. […] However, I’m more inclined to entertain the idea of another family member taking advantage of their position as a Ratri to have a dalliance with a Sister candidate, as @officersnickers brings up in this post. It’s not something Peter would ever approve of, but what’s done is done, and importantly there was no explicit denouncement of the clan in this act, which I feel he would take personal offense to. There’s nothing he can do to save these children—the one-drop rule thoroughly entrenched in his mind, and their blood is thoroughly tainted—but maybe their Ratri lineage will win out and they’ll be able to rise above their pitiful status, so he does keep tabs on both as he approves of them being sent on their separate ways in the system.

This is where one has to make the concession that Peter cares more about having an heir and/or believing a child's Ratri heritage trumps their fate of being born into the farm system. Shirai never confirms if he has a partner, but regardless, no mention is made of biological children of his own or if he knows of any potential ones on the way.

And maybe that's getting to him as the thirty-sixth head of the Ratri clan who's going to turn thirty next year, along with this boy looking so much like James. He knew his brother had no children, and despite his traitorous ways knew he'd never father one with a Sister for a variety of reasons. Yet here is this distant relative whose genes were still so prominent even after being diluted with multiple generations of cattle blood (him being vain enough to include Norman's intelligence as being another gift of Ratri inheritance). He decides to take it as a sign and as a duty to reclaim and "salvage" this wayward line of the clan.

Norman knows something's off when he doesn't receive all of the drugs he normally does for the day. Everything else proceeds as routine until dinner, when he's escorted not by scientists or demons, but men dressed in suits to an area of Lambda he's never been to before. They arrive in a lavishly decorated room with Peter seated at a relatively small but well-furnished dinner table. Norman's never seen so much food meant for one person, but as Peter invites him to have a seat, he realizes it's meant for two people.

There's some small talk regarding the spread, Peter's recommendations and whether Norman's favorite dish is there. By sheer coincidence there is some chickpeas and meat stew present, and while Norman is still wary of the entire situation, he doesn't refuse the bowl placed in front of him by the butler. It's the most delicious thing he's ever tasted. Peter makes sure to clarify one of his personal chefs made it.

This segues into a brief discussion about the daily tests Norman's been taking at Lambda. He confirms they're harder than the tests at Grace Field, but he enjoys the challenge, the tiniest bit of smug pride seeping in in the event Peter had any ego tied up in his being bested by one of these tests. The proud tone in the response throws him off before his brain registers the words "as to be expected of a Ratri." Peter then apologizes at the small but still noticeable change in his expression, lamenting how he probably should have started out with that to ease any of Norman's worries.

He goes on to explain how he discovered this, interpreting Norman's silence as positive before moving on to provide a brief overview of how the Ratri clan came to be the mediators between two worlds and then explaining how his life will change now that he'll be staying in the Ratri visitors' quarters for the remainder of his time at Lambda. The process to remove his tattoo and brand will begin the following day, and he'll be weened off the remaining drugs he's been given.

Norman knows it's beyond his consideration, but he still can't believe the gall of this man.

As for what [being a Ratri] would mean to Norman, he’s never indicated any sense of loss related to not knowing members of his immediate birth family or fretting over his origins, but for him to be related to the clan that’s perpetuated this system of abuse over a millennia and with how his rigid sense of morality lent itself to the idea of exterminating every single demon, if he was in a particularly negative thought spiral, it might eat at him on some bad days.

Where Peter expected rapturous or reverential awe at being a long-lost member of the clan, he felt sick. He never knew his birth mother or other forebearers, but imagining everything those women had to endure after seeing what it turned Isabella into, all being said so casually without a hint of guilt over the horrors his clan perpetuated like he's discussing the pedigree of a thoroughbred animal instead of a human being, it's nauseating.

And his neck tattoo…the Lambda brand he wouldn't give a second thought to losing, but the tattoo has this paradoxical sense of kinship attached to it that I briefly go over in this post regarding the children still keeping their tattoos years after being in the human world. Even with it being a horrible symbol of their dehumanization under this system, it's been a familiar sight to him since his earliest memories. It's one of the physical markers of his connection with Emma, Ray, and the rest of his family, and this man will be flippantly erasing that. How easy it is for him having never bore the grief that comes with it.

This is already long but a tangentially related conversation to this eventually comes up with Peter asking about Emma and Ray. On the surface it's to connect with Norman and learn more about his life at Grace Field, but the ulterior motive is to see if there's any information he can glean about these kids to find and capture them quicker. Norman will give it to him for having the tact not to slip and refer to them by their numbers like he's sure he wants to do, but he's still incensed at their names in his mouth. There's also the chance that Peter might reveal a crumb of information himself about their status (because Norman can't see why he would be asking unless he had something to gain from it, so that has to mean their escape was a success and they were all alive. The alternative would kill him), so he entertains the conversation. He tries not to give any tells, but when he talks about them his thumb might have grazed the spot where his number used to be before covering it up with a cough.

Norman's never taken in by Peter's seemingly genial demeanor, but it's odd how personal and almost…amiable the man can be with him. Still, the love he's offering is contingent on Norman's continued assistance at Lambda (Peter sees it as their shared duty to solve the conundrum of faster high quality meat production) and at least the appearance of respect toward the clan. It's not unconditional like Lucas' and Yuugo's.

The clearest hint of this might be Peter mentioning how much Norman resembles James one night at dinner, building his brother up with the same admiration he displays in chapter 173 before lamenting his fall from grace, stressing the sacrifice he had to make by murdering him but still ultimately going through with it because the clan and balance between two worlds takes precedence above all else.

Alternatively, another scenario that's easier to work into canon is the Ratri clan realizing Norman's lineage when the cattle children arrive in the human world, also prompted by the databases at Grace Field sparking further investigation with a DNA test. Once it's confirmed, they keep pestering Norman about leaning into this kinship and actively working for them, along with having his family and friends seemingly on good terms with the clan for some PR optics. Norman finds the idea insulting and revolting, but he can't ignore the benefits that would come with it.

Like some other fans, I greatly dislike Norman becoming a CEO during the final major timeskip, as well as Lambda sickness being conveniently treated with no chronic aftereffects and absolutely no issues with them integrating into human world and being welcomed with open arms by everyone. I understand Shirai wanted to wrap up the series on his own terms after years of dealing with the strain that is weekly manga publishing, and he needed an explanation for how the kids could easily fund their expeditions to search for Emma, but oof, do I hate it lol. All of these remain a concern for the cattle children here, and while the Ratri clan wouldn't outright abandon them if he refused, Norman wouldn't put it past them to drag their feet on certain matters. Their finances and prestige shield them from any misguided resentment some people may hold for them. Their connections are a boon for securing future educations and careers. And god would it expedite the search for Emma.

I like to imagine a late night benefit-cost analysis between Norman, Ray, Don, and Gilda taking place at some point after they've settled in enough. The other three reaffirm that if Norman felt it was going to kill his soul to work for the Ratris, his friends and family would stand by his refusal, but they would be remiss not to acknowledge the pragmatism in further solidifying the relationship (particularly poignant coming from Ray, though not completely analogous situations). The conversation drifts off for a bit before Norman, looking exhaustedly across the table they're seated at with his hands on his knees, states, "I want her back with us."

Working with the clan would be odd in so many ways with how they would laud his status as a cattle child and how he was taking the lead on amending relations between the Ratri and the cattle children while never wanting to fully interrogate what that meant. There's a hierarchy with Norman at the top and the mass production farm children at the bottom in many of their minds. At one point in private after a publicity event someone says offhand, "you can cover that up now, you know," referring to his ID. Even in the winter he tries to make a point not to wear scarves or turtlenecks when he knows he's going to be around them.

I hate the idea of there being one good and upstanding Ratri member that befriends him just because it's too convenient, and if we're being real Norman would never let down his walls enough and let them into his personal world after everything he's been through, but I do like the thought of him maybe getting along with a few scattered members, probably younger, who recognize the terrible fate that befell the children from another world and are genuinely amiable with him without beholding him to form a meaningful friendship with them. A small attempt at a personal level of atonement that he can recognize and appreciate while still maintaining that mental distance. I also think he'd appreciate the very youngest children of the family who could give him insight into what the adults might really think of him and his friends with their uncensored commentary lol.

#the-music-note-system6 #The Promised Neverland #Yakusoku no Neverland #TPN #TPN AU #YnN #TPN Fanfic #TPN Norman #YnN Norman #Norman #Norman Ratri #Peter Ratri #Ratri Clan #FSS Chatter #FSS Asks #Search for Minerva Arc #TPN 074 #Human World Arc #TPN 179 #Long Post #Read More #anyone know of any fanfics like this or where Peter just interacts more with Norman in general hmu #the occasional odd AU of him being Norman's dad or more typically his bastard uncle? delicious #he's never going to prioritize this kid over the honor of his clan as a whole #but i do like him entertaining the idea of some familial relationship for funsies and the optics #and Norman having to balance his hatred with playing along and hey he gets some info along the way #including how to deal with Peter because he will eventually break free of him #also it might seem counterintuitive to kill Emma and Ray if he wants to engender love for him in Norman #but the sentiments are Norman would have eventually outgrown them anyway so it's fine and he'll get over it lol #Norman at being offered Lambda brand removal two months into his stay there: well why tf did i have to get it in the first place then

[h0lymanteca]

"Oh no! Locked in with my enemy! How terrible!"

Finished a sketch from last year!

#the promised neverland #tpn fanart #yakusoku no neverland #emma #noremma #yes i like ratri emma x norman minerva

[duckietine]

The " 'kay." is what always gets me

#the promised neverland #tpn #ray tpn #norman tpn #ultra rare occurrence where Ray don't gaf #Norman: “FUCK THE RATRI CLAN I DON'T WANT THEIR DIRTY MONEY I HOPE THEY ALL GO TO HELL FUCK THEM” Ray: “whatever you say pooks”

[cirkkaa]

Post canon

#2023 tpn comeback mark my words!! #to think they are the ratris greatest menace #i miss them i will forever miss them #the promised neverland #yakusoku no neverland #my art #illustration #anime #fanart #manga #clip studio paint #emma #ray #norman

[stardoo17]

Wanted to post this in here.

Norman the first love of my life (⁠ ⁠ꈍ⁠ᴗ⁠ꈍ⁠)

#drawing #stellita_uwu #support #support artists #norman tpn #tpn manga #tpn #ynn #yakusoku no neverland #norman22194 #the promised neverland #this took me way too long to make #i wanna kms #2024 #kritaart #william minerva #james ratri tpn

[mistamorgana]

redraw of an old "comic" i had from two years ago

forgot to post this on here last night mb

#the promised neverland #tpn #yakusoku no neverland #fanart #emma tpn #norrayemma #tpn ray #tpn norman #norman tpn #peter ratri #anime #ynn

[officersnickers]

don't run with knifes in your hands kids

#Snickers draws #the promised neverland #tpn #ynn #yakusoku no nebārando #yakusoku no neverland milian #the promised neverland norman #tpn norman #ynn norman #yakusoku no neverland norman #tpn peter ratri #ynn peter ratri #yakusoku no neverland peter ratri #the promised neverland peter ratri #peter ratri #norman #idk the lyrics made me think of how both Norman and Peter ONCE had a knife and yeah... #that's all #this makes no sense at all

[tama1313]

uhm...

Tell me I'm not the only one who noticed this

#Like how come the unredeemable villains of the manga I have read does all look the same? #is it some kind of stereotype in japanese culture? #asking genuinely #aechmea #houseki no kuni #chishiya shuntaro #alice in borerland #peter ratri #the promised neverland #I'd argue about the fact that Norman and Phos have a lot in common too #but that's material for another meme

[questiontocertaintyofreality]

Brain Eating Amobe and The Promised Neverland's Demons Reference

(repost bc i can't explain what i'm saying and have a bunch of writing mistake)

(Not a real theory but have sense)

Soooo

I found a reference about Naegleria fows (Brain eating Amoeba) and Demons in our beloved promised Neverland world

First of all i explain Demon's functions and then connected them to brain eating Amobe.

Demons can evolve with horizantal gene transfer. Demon's eat creature's brain ans evolve with brains. Also this Eating necessary for their lives but  human brain isn't necessary for them. Even human brain isn't necessary for their life demons want to think and reach humans brains. Norman says, in beginning Demons have bacteria-like appareance then shift with transformation

Naegleria Fows similarties with demons ( Brain Eating Amobe) These Amobea not an real Amobe and have a  bacteria-like appearance . Neagleri Fows actually a shape-shifting amoeboflagellate

In the start they have bacteria-like appearance (Demons have it too)

Norman says

Amoeboflagellate means a one-celler creature who have characteristics found in both plants and animals.

It have functions which found plants and animals

Amoeboflagellate have a group which is names by prosist and in this group multiceller creatures doesn't have cells differentiated into tissues. This means if a tissue can heal by cells other tissue can heal with its own cells too(in the creatures who regenerate with mitosis all cells can do mitosis if this creature is one seller). For example human's retina cells can't heal but if we have same cells in all of our body parts -well this isn't working for human's lives- but retina tissue can heal. Because other tissues can heal

Naegleria Fows can do shape shift and have a life-cycle which build about shape-shift. Amoebas and this Amoeboflagellate doesn't have a specific shape

Shapless Monsters

Naegleria Fows can kill a human by brain effected . They live in waters, make sudden and fatal brain damage.

There was a place named Goldy Pond where child die before they can't understand what happened

These are parallels i found and just want to share. I love Goldy Pond's reality

In the end, want to hear a real theory ?Ray read about Brain eating Amoeba as a child and decided Demons eating brains. In Grace Field Ray talk to Norman about it but they both don't know Demons "need" eating brains or Demons evolve. In Lambda, Norman remember all Ray said and explore Demon's ecolvs

This just came to my mind from the first time i learn naegleria Fows. Hope this logical in its own because i think i even can't call this a theory

Maybe Ratri family try to contorl Demon's evolve with watching amoeba

#the promised neverland #the promised neverland theory #tpn #tpn norman #science #demon world #biology #brain eating amoeba #lambda arc #tpn lambda arc #yakusoku no neverland #tpn manga #peter ratri #james ratri #grace field library #interests #fandom #tpn fandom #theoriesfromfaraway

[naehja]

Norman: Can I help you?

Peter: No, but maybe I can help you.

Norman: *whimpers* I need an adult.

Peter: I am an adult-

Norman: ….I need another adult.

#peter ratri #tpn norman #tpn incorrect quotes #tpn peter ratru #norman #tpn

[kingdomofdrawings]

Emma Ratri

New one shot!

Here’s the original artwork I had made for the story but didn’t like:

I like the first one way more. Which one do you prefer?

Enjoy!

Comments, Likes and Shares are really appreciated Please do not repost without permission first and without giving credits

#I can’t believe my art improved this much in only two months #I wanted to write a story about Emma Ratri for a while now #so here it is #it’s far from being one of my favorite story of mine #I kinda lot motivation while writing it #so sorry if the end seem a bit rushed #the promised neverland #tpn norman #tpn emma #tpn ray #tpn gilda #tpn don #tpn anna #peter ratri #Emma Ratri #noremma #norman x emma

[fullscoreshenanigans]

things my asks and dms are always open for:

Norrayemma

Gildayshe

Big Sibling Trio/Anna/Don/Gilda/Nat → Younger Grace Field Orphans

Big Sibling Lambda Gang → Norman

Isabella’s fraught and complicated relationship with Ray but really her relationship with any of her children

Norman Ratri fuckery

#i'm just not always quick at replying </3 #FSS Chatter #Norrayemma #Gildayshe #Norman Ratri #Lambda Gang #Isabella and Ray's Incredibly Fraught and Complicated Relationship Tag #Noremray #Noremmay #Rayemnor #Raynorem #Emnorray #i think that's all the possible portmanteaus people use for the trio good god a bunch of mouthfuls

[that1garrulousfan]

mugman is norman

gabriel (from casino cups) is peter ratri

and y’know—-

#cuphead au #yknow #calix animi #the promised neverland #peter ratri #norman #mugman #lore #crappost

[emmaspolaroid]

this is a Norman Ratri household

#Emma Ratri is fun but it just doesn’t hit the same for (despite how fun the the Emma Ratri x Norman Minerva AU can sometimes be) #I like the idea of him unwittingly walking a similar path to that of his ancestors #bc i don’t think James is his father and Peter… absolutely not lol #the point is to put the boy through the horrors (nature vs. nurture)

[elooooooo]

The Man Who Split the World

"Once upon a time, a millennia ago, humanity has shared the world with another race. This race had a propensity to devour everything in their paths, because these heinous beings adapted the constitution of everything they devoured.

Eat an avian, they sprout wings. Eat a fish, they sprout fins. Not one being is exempted from their savageness. Not even humanity.

These beings preyed upon humans, gaining our intellect. They began walking on two legs, building cultures, developing languages. All the while humanity perished.

These beings cannot maintain the forms they adapted, either. Their constitution that evolves when they eat means they have to continue eating the beings they took their traits from to maintain said traits, otherwise, they degenerate.

Those who adapted our humanity's wits learned to continue devouring humanity. They mercilessly stomped on cultures, and languages, and families, all the while advancing theirs.

Humanity, however, is not weak. We do not succumb to oppression. Humanity fought back. In a tug of a seemingly endless war, while these monsters devoured humans, humans hunted them. Be it to protect their own, avenge their own, or out of spite. Humanity did not stand aside in the face of danger, we fought back.

Decades passed by: shaving a fraction of the human population meant shaving a fraction of these monsters. Hunt or be hunted. Not long after, both races grew tired. Afterall, neither is advancing. That was the case, until a brave, especially strong human decided enough was enough.

He split the world, allowing humanity to live in the land without the heinous monsters. He saved humanity. He deprived the heinous demons of their feed. You and I are not scared of being devoured every minute of every day because of that man.

His heroism does not end at his lifespan. His descendants continue to protect this world by acting as a mediator between the two worlds, assisted by hundreds and hundreds of exceptional women and their children. You and I are not scared of being devoured every minute of every day because of those people.

The man who split the world deserves his name to be known. He is James Ratri."

#tpn manga #tpn emma #tpn norman #tpn ray #yakusoku no neverland #ynn #i had an epiphany of a certain folklore among the human world about the demon world #james ratri #ratri clan #of course it's all rainbows and sunshine #i mean an entire planet's worth of ppl are saved #they'd be sure to look at the ratri's as heroes y'know

[chidoroki]

182 Days of TPN - Day 173

Chapter 173: "Prisoners"

My immense dislike towards Peter often leads me to making fun of him, but he ain't a cute kid. I dunno any child his age (however old he is here) to look that happy with wearing a full suit. Normal children would complain.

I know Norman isn't related to the James at all, but I still enjoy how so many people joke or theorize about it solely based on how he took on the WM persona and how similar they look at a first glance. Not just by the hair and outfit either, but even their actions, like you can't look at this panel and not be reminded of that one panel of Norman from ch126. It's so memorable that I don't even have to place it here to compare the two because of how identical it is to James here.

Imagine if James never found that old document. The world would continue on suffering under the farm system rules forever and we wouldn't even have our story. Maybe. Ray would probably still question his existence and the world whether or not James hides clues in the books in the GF library. It would certainly be more difficult for the kids to survive outside the farm though without using the pen for guidance, if they could manage the escape in the first place.

Peter, for once in your life, can you please just act like a normal child? Who hears of someone sacrificing others for their own gain and thinks, "oh, they're brilliant! I wanna be just like them!" I really hate how Julius pushing aside his personal feelings in order to change the world and stop the fighting sounds so similar to what Emma did with making the new promise, but our girl would certainly never betray her family and friends to achieve that better world!

This poor man. It's as if his entire purpose in life is crashing down around him.

As heartbreaking as this scene of James' death is, I can't feel sorry for Peter in this moment. The dude labeled James as a traitor and gave the order to the other Ratri men to go kill him, so I can't imagine why the boy is wailing so hard for something he caused to happen. He could've at least tried to talk to James about the situation, maybe find some common ground that the two of them could agree upon that would apply to both their ideals on how to run the clan and farm systems, but nope. Death be upon ye. The fact that Peter gets up and walks away shortly after rubs me the wrong way too. If he was truly upset about his brother's death, surely he would've taken his body somewhere else to do a proper burial instead of just leave him there. Peter mentions at the start of this chapter that he respected James more than anyone, but this sure as hell ain't the proper way to show it.

Local fool having an existential crisis. Sure the Ratri clan was bound to play the part as the mediators between both worlds, but one couldn't honestly believe that was the correct way to do things. It's surprising the promise lasted a thousand years before someone had the nerve to stand up and say, ya know, living this way just ain't right.

Peter isn't wrong, unfortunately. Humans can really be so terrible. The world we're personally living in is far from perfect.

One of the rare deaths when the corners of my mouth are tugged upwards. It's fine. No one really wanted Peter to join the kids in the human world anyway.

Favorite panel/moment:

James' smile. That's all.

#the promised neverland #tpn manga #182daysoftpn #chidoroki used chatter