It’s so weird that Heathers the musical toned down so many things from the story (Veronica’s gray morality, JD’s behavior as a whole, Kurt and Ram’s sa on the girls, etc.) but decided to make the Heathers way bigger assholes than they are in the movie.
McNamara doesn’t do anything in the movie, she just goes along with Chandler and kicks Veronica one time at the beginning but then in the musical she’s setting up a fcking date rape??? She goes along with the boys during Sword Fight in Her Mouth and is just a bitch to Veronica all of the time, but everyone in the fandom (and also Veronica somehow) kind of ignores it because she acts innocent.
Duke, even though she isn’t made that much worse from her movie version, (except for the date rape thing with McNamara) is also way more agressive and obnoxious. In the movie, even after Duke turns into a Chandler carbon copy she’s still a funny and likeable character. In the musical she is an asshole even before Chandler dies and her and Veronica keep antogonizing each other from beginning to end when in the 1989 version they were pretty much friends until the last minute.
I think one could make an argument that Duke’s bullying of McNamara is also worse in the musical, but I’m a bit lazy to adress that, so just have in mind that in the musical she’s also more agressive, screaming at Mac at live TV instead of just writing “poor little Heather” on the board.
Chandler in the musical is more of a cartoon character than a person. She screams at everything and everyone for no reason whatsoever, she isn’t necessarily a worse person, just very flanderized and, I’m sorry, but I can’t believe that somone who acts that way could even have a chance of climbing so high on the social hierarchy of a school. Heather in the movie was a bitch, but she knew how to keep up appearances. She acted nice, she played people, she never had to scream to get things to go her way, that was how she managed to be so powerful.
The movie is a parody of teenage narratives, the musical takes that parody and plays it straight. That’s how you get an absurd story where the three mean girls of the school are annoying bitchy monsters and the literal murderer is a sympathetic villain.
I think the Heathers 1989 is interesting because of how literally everyone is a bad person, but at the same time not everyone is the same kind of bad.
You have bad Chandler, an fatphobic asshole who doesn’t care about anything unless it affects her. You have bad Kurt and Ram, homophobic, sexist guys who have raped multiple girls. You have bad McNamara, only follows other people’s leads which makes her act like an asshole. You have bad Duke, is not evil when controlled but when given the opportunity she will become an asshole. You have bad Veronica, an uncaring and murderous person who in the end makes the right choice. And you have bad JD, the kind of guy who he thinks he’s justified in blowing up a whole school just because everyone there kind-of-really-fucking-sucks.
All of these people are assholes and some of them should be in jail, but that doesn’t make the psycho who’s killing them some kind of martyr, he’s still just as bad, maybe even worse, than all ofthe others. The musical makes JD look justifiable.
He was good person, he was just traumatized!
If only he had gotten help!
No. Just no. JD was psycho. He was trying to blow up a school. That’s not justified, doesn’t matter what sort of heroic reason he may have he had. Which, by the way, he didn’t. He wasn’t killing people because they were assholes, he was killing people because he was an asshole.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. Yes, I still love all of thsoe characters despite how much shit I talked about all of them, sorry this got long, one thing lead to another, and now I have spent like two hours writing this and my arms hurt from holding an ipad. Bye.
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sfw heather chandler dating headcannons!!!!!
a/n - in my mind, these would take place out of sherwood, ohio and somewhere, like, michigan or maybe colorado? idk i don't see heather going to a city.
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- girlie was just going through comphet. that's it. no way she's not a lesbian. argue with the wall.
- i don't know why but i don't think she would ever do her skincare routine on her s/o. like, maybe she'd let you do it once to her but she certainly would not have any problem telling you if you were doing it wrong.
- clothes shopping would be fun but tedious. she'd tell you all the colors to avoid, what accessories would go well with certain shirts, and what looked straight up awful on you. she does not have a filter, she cannot be nice to save her life.
- she makes you watch a rom-com with her every friday night and critiques it throughout the entirety of the film.
- tried to cook for you one time but almost burnt the house down. she now just orders take out and pretends she cooked it. you know better though. it's the thought that counts!!
- if she's going out, you're going out. there is no excuse in the world that can save you.
- she's not good at understanding your struggles since she's had a pretty sheltered and privileged life but she shows her love and affection through other things like massages or buying something that reminds her of you. she's never been great with her words, so she tries to reciprocate in the best way she knows how.
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Kurt and Ram are:
Rapists
Sexists
Homophobic
Not gay
Awful people
One narrative purpose characters
Insults to gay people
Dead
Stop calling them wholesome little babies who are gay for each other. It's insulting to gay men. They're supposed to be characters because it helps the narrative, they're supposed to be rapists who get killed. They're one-dimensional background characters, nothing more.
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Based on a conversation with @horror-lady00 based on my Heathers AU. Also inspired by attending the local high school football game, and wondering what the Sherwood gang would be doing there.
Some more Heathers AU lore:
Veronica, Green Heather, Sputnik, Betty, and Martha are part of the school band, with Veronica playing the flute. Martha tends to be the glue keeping the 2/4th’s of the Heathers together in the band due to rising tensions between Veronica and Green.
Cheryl Rodgers, the girl to the left of Braverman, is part of the cheerleaders with Gold Heather. On good terms with Braverman’s group, and came over during warm ups to chat with the group before the game starts. Before that she was attempting to flirt with Thrash, Throttle, Kurt and Ram.
Braverman, Specs, and Jamie are part of the AV club and assist with newspaper and yearbook stuff. Unfortunately, during this particular game, Specs had since died, and Jamie was out sick, leaving Braverman to juggle AV tasks the three usually delegated to one another, leaving him stressed and frazzled. He dropped some of his equipment, and to his surprise, Kurt and Ram went out of their way to help him. While not shown directly, Braverman is wearing his old Hawkins AV Club t-shirt out of habit. It’s a custom shirt that has Decepticon Laserbeak printed on it that Will and Dustin made.
JD has no major interest in the ballgame itself and is mostly there to support Veronica and Braverman. While not really savvy on AV stuff, he tries to help out Braverman during the game.
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I just got the best idea: What if Howdy & Barnaby were like Kurt & Ram from Heathers the musical?
(Bully AU Howdy and Barnaby ofc)
VERY MUCH INSPIRED!!! i think i mentioned that in a post? I can’t remember whcih one, but yes!
They’re so Kurt and Ram except they uh dont die
Same thing
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Veronica has a pretty average sized mouth and kurt and ram claimed they had a sword fight in her mouth, and for that to work theyd need to be pretty small dicks. and post
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