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ifellinlovewithpersona · 7 months

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Warning: very long liveblogging post, almost meta

Not me overthinking literally every word Akechi says on 6/10 like ngl I think the TV station scene when Akechi first asking us on our opinion on Phantom Thieves is one of the most important in the game actually?

I mean, I feel like this scene is kinda microdosing you into thinking about morals for once and consequences of your own actions for a second? Of course every options you can answer to Akechi's questions are connected with Phantom Thieves moral aligment (more of that for a second) so as a character you don't have any choices to answer differently and you are locked on only one viewpoint (since basically Persona purpose is always more connected to the humans ordinary life and telling a story rather than make you think about higher things and morality like SMT games) but it doesn't mean this scene doesn't make YOU think as a player about that (at least imo it should actually make you question some things, like how "just" the justices of Phantom Thieves and Akechi are for example)

So it actually DID make me analyze everything that is said in this scene. Before I proceed - quick disclaimer that there are only my thoughts but they appeared suddenly so I write this post under the impression of a moment, without any substantive preparation so my statements might not be very accurate and I might make some mistakes alongside a way. I'll also be looking at this scene from perspective of an experienced Persona fan who played all games but who had a taste of mainline SMT as well (so like in the middle point of view here) - so Persona fans please don't kill me for questioning some things, SMT fans - please don't kill me for some "blasphemies" either haha! Also I'm writing this under impression of a moment (when I usually say sonnething first and then think) and I didn't really meant it as a serious 100% well done meta so please excuse my grammar mistakes and use of informal language as well lol (also I have adhd and tendency to lose the point somehow so sorry about that as well)

Okay so what we can clearly see it's that Akechi is under total brainwash of Yaldabaoth in this scene, if someone already played the game then they know that both Akechi and Akiren are under "guidance" (and brainwash) of false Igor aka Yaldy but the difference is that Akechi is getting guided in a true moral aligment of Yaldabaoth while Akiren is constantly lied to and treaten more like a source of "entertainment" for the false god (Yaldy admits himself he thinks of both of Akechi's and Akiren's conflict as a "game" later). Thus, Akechi is the one who is receiving real Yaldabaoth's teachings here.

And even if we know that in Persona there is nothing like true representation of all moral standpoints because as I said before -that's not a purpose of the series (so if you want your brain to really be fucked over with thoughts about morality and existentional crisis play mainline SMT), we can't deny that we still have representation of SOME moral aligments in this game or at least we see some characters that we can assign to certain moral aligments.

And Yaldy's point of view definitely can be assigned as a representation of True Law. In mainline SMT (at least in V because that's the mainline game with original true aligments I played so far since III has Reasons that are kinda other moral ideas than original three aligments) Law aligment was explained as being commited to the rule of One True God (YHVH, in SMT V called God Of Law) and getting the peace but at the cost of sacrificing your free will - which is very similar to Yaldabaoth's original plan of taking iver the world and Vanilla P5 bad ending. I think also worth nothing to mention the Maruki's class from 6/7 in the game when he talks about totalitarism and full control of the society and their thought process. And that's what Yaldabaoth also is doing - he project his viewpoint onto Akechi completely and control his whole thought process making Akechi only seeing one side of the story.

The following can be seen in Akechi's interview on 6/10. He is making all kinds of statements like "The Phantom Thieves are dangerous", "They should be tried under a court of law for doing what they want" etc etc because in a way, they ARE dangerous for Yaldabaoth. I mean, Wild Card was under a full control because Yaldy knew that if he breaks free, his plans of taking the control on the world will be over (as it happened in Vanilla P5 True Ending). They are also a statement of rebellion and (if we compare Yaldabaoth to the totalitarian leader) any kind of rebellion makes it harder to truly control people and take their free wills. So even if Yaldabaoth himself caused the formation of the Thieves for his own amusement, he still was gambling here a lot and was aware of it, even controled danger still might be danger, for example - even if you follow all health and safety measures in your workplace, accident still CAN happen to you. That's why Akechi as not a Law representation but more of a Messenger of Law (of sort?) was neccesary here. To still have control. It's also interesting how in the scene Akechi is trying to twist a narrative by repeating "you cannot force people into doing sonething" but that's what his God is actually doing. So it's interesting how he's using media to manipulate society in this scene into thinking the Phantom Thieves are trying to control people's hearts and thoughts but in reality that is also his master's goal. Also it's interesting how in this scene Akechi places a seed of doubt in the Thieves already by suggesting that "But what if the similar happen to the innocent person like your friend sitting next to you?", also covering his own tracks as the one behind mental shutdowns as well. And it works, after the scene Ann starts to have doubts of if what they are doing is truly just. Also there is interesting how Akechi is saying later of Phantom Thieves "having a lack of true strenght" which is also similar to how Law aligment was associated with a believing in strenght in SMT V for example.

Truly, very, very interesting and thought-provoking scene

Also, since I'm already talking about this (Persona and moral aligments): This scene also made me think what is a true moral aligment we could associate to Phantom Thieves (and protagonist himself)? I often see people saying that Akiren is Chaos Coded because he has Satanael as an ultimate Persona and Satanael = Satan/Prince of hell (this part is wrong already when you know gnostic mythology) = Lucifer = Chaos. And yeah hate to be the one bringing it to you but considering true moral meaning of Chaos aligment? Not really. Yes, Chaos is often associated with Lucifer in mainline SMT but the first mistake is that Satanael isn't really the same as Lucifer in gnostic mythology (that I won't speak of now I'm not prepared and you can research for yourself). The second mistake is that in Chaos, everyone have a full freedom to do what they want and also this aligment in SMT is always more about freedom of a demons than a humans anyways. And 1) as Akechi mentioned, the change of heart is still forced by someone so it isn't really someone's own free will, there is still someone that tries to took control over someone else 2) Phantom Thieves are stating that they are doing all of this for humanity. So I wouldn't say Akiren is really Chaos-coded character.

To be honest, I personally think Phantom Thieves and Akiren would be more associated with Neutral-Law aligment (so not even true neutral imo). Neutral aligment in mainline SMT is about rejecting both God's and demons' control over the world and giving the power to the middle force - the humanity. And also something in between of two extremes of full control and full freedom. And that actually is consistent with what Phantom Thieves think that they want to achieve - they don't want complete anarchy but they just want to help people and make their lifes even a little better. A spice of a Law here is still in my opinion the fact that Akiren is guided by false Igor aka Yaldy and the fact that they are still are forcing the change of heart so temporarily taking a free will out of someone (even if that's a criminal) - which can also symbolically see later in game when we see Shadows being held in cages. So yeah, I personally think Neutral-Law would be the best assigment here but that's only my opinion + I'm still baby SMT fan so I still might understand some moral aligments wrongly

I think the game doesn't really have a true Chaos representation which is okay because that's not a purpose of a series. Maruki would be pretty close with granting a wishes of everyone if it wasn't a fact that he basically want to replace Yaldy at some point. So no, that's not a chaos rep either. But as I said at the beginning, that's not a purpose of Persona games and that's okay. Persona games purpose is always more to tell a story and story can be one sided sometimes ;) Tbh I only assigned them here to aligments more from my overthinking and curiosity after the TV scene haha

Whew, I'm done with this post! If you are still here - have a delicious pancake for staying with me so long (Akechi would be jelaous rn) 🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞🥞 Thanks for listening to my thoughts and I hope I didn't made too much of a fool (not really pun intended lol) of myself haha

#lilly's p5r replay #meta post #kinda sorta?#chaotic meta #long post

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appreciatingtokrev · 11 months

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that's true, i just keep reminding myself that nothing last forever but i am a bit sad about the ending. do you normally go to an art museum? ah, i suppose life is full of surprises, you never know what is around the corner. that's great, it's better to see things as the cup half full than empty.

i think gi will still be the company's most successful game. do you just stick to PC games then? isn't hsr the only one whose have a voice for the MC? i'm always phone based so i'm lost with the letters lol. wait, you can play it in class? 👀

don't worry, quite a few people retake a year no matter what country they are in so you're not the only one and i understand retaking a year more than once can be a bit demotivating but you can get through this.

just try not to beat yourself up about it, you are trying your best. yes, extra time to re-evaluate some options, would you like to goes into the STEMs? or another field?

i can imagine lmao, some kpop fans are too extreme though where they end up becoming saesangs. which kpop group did she introduce you to? i am an ex-kpop fan so i no longer know about the current groups.

those earrings would stand out wherever you would go especially since they are gold coloured lol. i have actually seen some shorts on YouTube of users styling their wigs and it's look like a profession because of how hard it look 💀 i'm wondering you might find a 15th february person? who know lmao but birthday twin would be most exciting. our time zone difference seem to be one hour apart so we should be able to wish each other on our days? i'll probably come off anon when it happen 🙂

you can take another shirt that fit you properly and ask them to use the shirt for guidance or get proper measurements. i just scrolled up the sleeves for mine lol. it is only the sleeves and nothing too complex so i can't imagine it will be expensive.

yeah, of course. i feel the same whenever any of my friendships or relationships or whatever end bc at the end there was still a lot of love and care involved. i love going to art museums <3 i generally love art and museums lol. i visit a bunch of museums every year, usually with my father, my godmother or said friend i mentioned. so yeah ig i usually visit them?

agreed lol, i mean hi3rd was already big before genshin but genshin topped it off still. omg my phone literally only has 16gb of storage so i can’t play any games on there ajdkffjskaj meaning i very much stick to my laptop. hi3rd doesn’t have a mc the way gi/hsr do and kiana does have a voice plus gi’s mc is occasionally voiced (only during cutscenes i think?). the mc in hsr is definitley voiced a lot more tho. i mean... i shouldn’t be playing any video games in class..... but always work on our devices anyways....... and i’d much rather play hi3rd than do french in class... ajdkfjdjsk (i’m not a good example of a student ajdkgkksj)

aa ty :) i’m doing great in school rn bc it’s all topics i’ve had before at a different school haha and i hope it’ll stay like this for a while, but let’s see. i’m also in the process of getting meds for my adhd so hopefully i’ll be able to study easier sometime in the future. honestly idk what i wanna do later rn... psychology or biology, specifically marine biology maybe? i’d love to be a marine biologist, but i get sea sick :/ though at the moment i’m mostly leaning towards studying medicine so i can work in forensic medicine. but luckily i still have at least a year to decide.

yeah, the kpop fans... she mostly introduced me to stray kids. i’m not like a big kpop fan, but i do have a playlist with kpop songs i like bc of her lol.

aren’t they silver colored tho? i made mine in silver at least ajdkfkks. but yeah, agreed. yeah, wig styling does look difficult tbh 💀 but. i believe in myself. if i believe enough it’s got to work...

maybe, who knows. ohh no more anon z next february 16th :0 hehe, i’ll gladly wait until then :3

ahh i have no long-sleeved shirts that correctly fit me ajfjfjhsk the only ones i’ve got left are from when my parents made me buy them bc i dislike them and prefer oversized hoodies and stuff by a lot lol. thanks for the tip though

#☆—`ask #anon: z

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katsintriis · 2 years

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Hey I saw a rb of yours about having mental health struggles and I try to send people resources when I think they could use them soo: You'll benefit from looking at them right away, but you can also save them on your desktop and schedule yourself or give yourself reminders to use them. Even chipping away at them bit by bit is good.

https://integralguide.com/%E2%AD%90%EF%B8%8F+Start+Here/About - A great wiki and tree/CYOA format guide and resource for treating things like anxiety, trauma, CPTSD, depression, ADHD and OCD, and for improving overall wellbeing. If nothing else, read the short intro because it demonstrates what it is.

Mental Health Resource List https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jbAxPB8QKG3NLUKNZB8h1fNUjzcXaNrZ/view - Problem, minority and area specific international resources.

https://www.therapistaid.com/ - Accessible mental health and therapy education, resources and worksheets.

https://www.verywellmind.com/about-explanatory-styles-3145110 - A very short read but very useful.

https://positivepsychology.com/mental-health-exercises-interventions - A good in-depth guide and overview for treating and managing anxiety and depression and their symptoms, with references and links to other resources.

Mental health apps like Wysa and Sanvello - Accessible and low effort, recommend to use alongside other resources.

https://socialwork.buffalo.edu/resources/self-care-starter-kit/developing-your-self-care-plan.html - Functional, kind, well-communicated and succinct resource for taking care of yourself and all your needs, both long-term and in crisis.

https://socialwork.buffalo.edu/resources/self-care-starter-kit/self-care-assessments-exercises/exercises-and-activities.html - Guidance on resting and relaxing effectively, time management, physical health, lifestyle and mental health maintenance.

https://socialwork.buffalo.edu/resources/self-care-starter-kit/additional-self-care-resources/developing-your-support-system.html - Once again practical, kind and wise guidance and tips for how to find, develop and maintain a comprehensive support system and what to avoid.

Books by Babette Rothschild, particularly 8 Keys to Safe Trauma Recovery - She's a therapist with experience with mental illness (including PTSD) and her books contain much of the same therapy and education you get in a therapist's office - they're very well written, informative, accessible and gentle and if you can't afford buying you can get them from online or physical libraries.

And last but not least - seriously pursue therapy or other help if you're not doing so already! You should try googling "[country/city/county/state] (health condition/circumstance/demographic) (financial/medical/therapy) [aid/assistance/program/services/benefits/discount]" or similar to find help or guidance - there's a lot of help out there but a lot of it is just obscure and underadvertised.

Hi anon.

This is a really sweet gesture, so first of all, thank you. I think I know what post you were referring to that I made. I've been having insomnia and was venting my frustrations over it at 4 in the morning when I couldn't get back to sleep. Sometimes getting my negative thoughts out of my head and into the real world can help me calm down when I'm feeling overwhelmed. Usually I'll do this physically on paper but I was distracting myself with tumblr at the time. I'm sorry if this kind of post worried anyone - I'm okay.

That being said, I am currently seeing someone for mental wellness and have discussed things with a medical professional as well, so that's covered. You can't always tell how someone is doing just from what they post online. However, I think these links could also benefit others who might be struggling, or don't know where to start, so I'm publishing this here with some tags that may help others find them if anyone else is interested in checking them out.

I checked the content of the links, and it seems like a lot of helpful suggestions and opinions, but I would also encourage others to please be aware of who is publishing what online and to not take everything you see as solid medical advice, but more as a jumping off point before addressing concerns with a professional.

#irl katrina #mental health #resources #ask #anonymous #i'm not a doctor nor do i play one on tv but if anyone thinks checking these out could be helpful go for it

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