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roseandgold137 · 5 months
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child of divorced but never married parents
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n1ightw1ng · 16 days
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I'm literally obsessed with them
Robin (1991)
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timdrakequotes · 1 year
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Clyde: You ever stop, kid?
Tim: They tell me the wicked never rested either.
Clyde: Just seems to me that you’re awful young to be obsessed like this.
Tim: I had that part of my life cut short.
Clyde: You too, huh?
Tim: My mother was murdered. My father is still alive…if you can call it that.’
--Tim Drake with Clyde Rawlins (Robin Miniseries I #3 – The Destroying Angel)
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quicktothebatjalopy · 8 months
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mzminola · 1 year
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The Robin 1991 mini is a 1980′s martial arts action thriller that a plucky superhero sidekick has been dropped into as the audience surrogate figure. Like you could just have Tim be a teen visiting family, or a young martial artist coming to Paris to learn from a teacher there, and change nothing else, and you’d have a movie that dozens of iterations of used to fill VHS rental stores.
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weirdcoresouthpark · 8 months
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TWEEK: Uhh...guys??
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TWEEK: Im- im sinking!!
CLYDE: WHAT THE FUCK?!
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JIMMY: W-w-wow Tweek; you sure are in a sti-
JIMMY: You sure are in a stii-ii
JIMMY: Y-you sure are in a sti-sti-sti-sticky situation
CLYDE: READ THE ROOM JIMMY!!
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NITH: GRAB ONTO MY HAND! NOW!
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NITH: And whatever you do. Dont let go
NITH: That things gonna try to sink you in deeper, no matter what cling to my hand
NITH: Dig your nails in if you have too
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TWEEK: OHSWEETJESUS
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pokeberry5 · 6 months
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Did Tim “kill” King Snake and does Bruce know?
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In Tim’s first solo min, he goes to Paris to learn martial arts and get that “edge” he thinks he needs to properly assume his role as Robin. He ends up on the tail of British Lord, Hong Kong-based heroine kingpin, leader of the Ghost Dragon gang, Sir Edmund Dorrance AKA King Snake (who is blind, which will be important later). Tim’s only companions on this world tour are Lady Shiva, who wants to defeat Dorrance to prove herself stronger, and ex-DEA agent Clyde Rawlins, who wants revenge against Dorrance for Dorrance’s reprisal killing of his family.
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Robin I #4 --  the dream team, I love them
The trio catch up to Dorrance in Hong Kong, where he’s waiting for them in what seems to be the top suite of his skyscraper, 50 stories up.
In this final confrontation with Dorrance, Tim takes full advantage of a crucial moment of distraction to kick Dorrance out of the window. Dorrance ends up clinging to a ledge, hanging on for dear life.
Shiva then appears to order Tim to kill Dorrance, presumably by kicking him off the ledge. (It becomes clear then that this is how Shiva intends to prove herself stronger than Dorrance: she trained Tim and therefore Tim is her weapon and an extension of herself. If Tim defeats Snake, she defeats him by proxy).
Tim refuses and walks away. All we see is him listen  as Dorrance falls to what Tim explicitly assumes is his death, 50 stories down.
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Robin I #5
So, while Tim isn't directly responsible for Dorrance's death, he was the one to put him in that position and then left him there to fall.
It’s unclear how Tim conceives of his actions here and how we are supposed to interpret them, especially in light of Tim’s refusal to kill in earlier chapters in this arc (and after).
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Robin I #2
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Robin I #4 -- I love Shiva
He stopped Rawlins from shooting and killing gang members, but then points to the danger Rawlins might have put them in by accidentally shooting crates containing plague (please read this arc it’s really fun despite suffering from uh. severe written in the 90s syndrome) and then explicitly restates his vow not to kill.
AND THEN, the plot thickens!!!
Dorrance did not actually fall to his death; he caught himself on a ledge below, where he believes Tim came down to taunt him. He came away from his fall with a fear of Tim and an obsession with killing him to purge himself of that fear. (anyway Sir Edmund Dorrance walked so Ra’s could run)
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Batman (1940) #468
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Batman (1940) #469
Dorrance moves to Gotham with the Ghost Dragons and takes over Chinatown (which. Who decided to put, a British lord, what boils down to an allegory of British colonialism in Hong Kong as the head of Chinatown? I have questions – anyway crimelord Lynx ftw)
In the course of his pursuit of Robin, it is revealed that Bruce believes “it was Lady Shiva that caused Dorrance to plunge to his death”—that Tim told him this.
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Batman (1940) #469
This is clarified a bit more later, when Bruce confronts Dorrance.
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Dorrance explicitly accuses Tim of murder. He outlines the incident leading up to his fall—that Tim tricked him and attacked him from behind (he did, we saw this), that Dorrance was left dangling, and that Tim then caused him to fall.
Bruce refutes this accusation by claiming that it “wasn’t Robin who left you for dead. … Robin spared you. It was Lady Shiva who threw you to your death.”
From this, we can assume that in the moments after Tim refused Shiva and walked away, Shiva threw Dorrance down, which he didn’t realize because, as Bruce claims, he is blind and was likely traumatized by the incident. We can’t know this for sure, however—that Shiva threw him down—for exactly those reasons. Bruce is working off what Tim apparently told him, but we—and Tim—did not see this happen.
Bruce’s explanation of what actually happened also calls into question what exactly Tim told him about what happened.
It’s unclear what exactly he is refuting by: “It wasn’t Robin who left you for dead.” Does he not count Tim leaving Dorrance hanging as “leaving him for dead” or is the implication that Bruce thinks Shiva was the one who both threw Dorrance out the window and off the ledge? We never actually see what Tim told Bruce.
This leaves us with some possibilities:
that what Tim did by leaving Dorrance to dangle, by leaving him to Shiva, does not count against Batman’s no-killing rule.
Perhaps that Bruce does not feel that he could have expected or wanted Tim to step between Shiva and her target, Dorrance
that Bruce does not actually know what really happened—that Tim kicked Dorrance out the window, which in turn implies that either Tim may have stretched the truth or Bruce misinterpreted (purposefully?) what Tim told him
These all seem inconsistent, however, with incidents further down the line, with Cluemaster for example, and then when Tim rebukes Azbats for leaving Abattoir to die. A core tenet of Tim’s characterization is his sometimes frustrated but dedicated adherence to the no-kill rule (im beating anyone who cites the league bases at me away with a stick). So I don’t know what to do with this. Maybe it’s just comic inconsistency. Chuck Dixon, what are you doing?
If anyone has any thoughts about how to reconcile all this!! Please grant me peace
ADDENDA
i.e. stuff that I can’t possibly expect to be addressed in comics, but that I think about anyway
Related to this arc—a point is made a few issues later that Tim at this time doesn’t really have anyone to confide in. He can't really talk to Batman, isn’t close to Dick at this point, and while he is willing to work with Alfred and ask for help with Bat-related things, they’re not yet emotionally close. This isolation is poignantly demonstrated by him confessing his troubles to his still-comatose father.
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Robin II #2
WHOM then would he have talked to about all that happened on his little “world tour”? No one? Besides whatever happened with Dorrance and brutal training and isolation, he also had to deal with the fact that Clyde Rawlins—whom he presumably developed some sort of camaraderie with (it’s tim ;-; he forms connections) was killed by Dorrance while working this mission with him.
We know that he had no one to talk to about all that. Did Tim linger on Rawlins????? On the fact that Shiva called him her weapon?? My boy is 13 ;-;
I also love that the whole buildup to Tim’s debut as Robin is Bruce agonizing about whether he should allow another boy to assume the position that cost him his son, and is then followed by plenty of moments after of Batman being overprotective.
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Batman (1940) #468
And yet, when Tim is like “I need an edge to be Robin” presumably Bruce?? although this is never explicit connects him with a martial artist in Paris and sends him off on his own. It’s also possible that Tim is the one who comes up with this given that he agonizes a bit over whether he’s doing right by choosing his own path
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Robin I #1
Either way, Tim goes to Paris Alone and essentially Unsupervised.
This lack of supervision is further emphasized by the fact that he goes to hunt down a king pin all the way to Hong Kong with Lady fucking Shiva and an ex DEA agent and no other back up. And Bruce presumably doesn’t find out until Tim runs into the hitman Henri Ducard in Hong Kong, who is apparently Batman’s acquaintance. (#5)
I have so many questions. I know that the actual reasoning is probably “oh we want to give this new character a little mini adventure arc on his own!!! To showcase how cool and independent the new robin is” but STILL
(also tim immediately getting himself a little team :’) I lub him)
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zahri-melitor · 1 year
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The thing about working on a Tim-Robin focus reread is I’m now staring blearily at common fanon assumptions again and going “now where did you come from”, and today’s target is the weird as hell “Tim doesn’t think he’s part of the family, he’s just an EMPLOYEE you guys” nonsense, because Tim? Tim doesn’t think he’s part of the family? C’mon. There ISN’T an extended Batfamily as we understand it today without Tim.
Tim the Team-Up Robin is like 50% of how we ended up where we are now. (The other 50% is No Man’s Land of course, which solidified the larger supporting cast’s shape that allowed for future additions and had Bruce actually accept that he was stuck with *handwaves* everyone from here on out).
I mean. I just put together a list of Tim’s early-mid 90s team ups, and it’s like: Clyde Rawlins (sorry dude) and Shiva (Robin I); Helena Bertinelli (Robin III, Robin #6/Showcase ’94 #5-6 – Benedictions, Robin #17); Steph Brown (‘Tec #647-649, Robin #3-5, Robin #15); Azrael!John-Paul Valley (Prelude to Knightfall/Knightfall); Azbats!John-Paul Valley (Knightfall/Knightquest) (fun fact, Azbats is literally a canon nickname for him); Nightwing!Dick Grayson (Showcase ’93 #11-12, then regularly from Contagion onwards); Robin!Dick Grayson (Robin #10); Batman!Dick Grayson (Prodigal); Connor Hawke (Robin #25, Brotherhood of the Fist); Selina Kyle (who is really not thrilled about it) (Contagion). He works with Harold Allnut in the cave. He works with Barbara Gordon as soon as she starts giving Oracle assistance to the Bats (and is the first of the Bats to properly thank her for her work! Robin #30 is the first really good Tim-Babs moment). He goes out with Alfred Pennyworth as support in person (Robin II, Contagion). He works with Renee Montoya and Harvey Bullock when their investigations overlap. He seeks help from Ulysses Armstrong’s siblings to get Ulysses back in custody (Robin #19-20). He gets TOLD OFF by Bruce for his habit of just latching on to the nearest hero/anti-hero/villain who has a similar goal and going “cool, let’s work together”. Bruce gets SO grumpy over Tim just hanging out with Helena every time they cross paths and Tim and Alfred actively work to hide the fact he teamed up with Selina from Bruce (and you know that post about Bruce going “I have found a more acceptable partner for you” and showing Nightwing? That’s EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED when Bruce found out)
Tim’s anchoring or helping anchor MOST of the extended cast who we’d recognise as vigilantes under the Batfamily banner during the 90s, until Nightwing and BoP both get ongoing titles and take over handling part of the load. But there again, you have the central trio of Babs-Dick-Tim holding onto relationships with other characters that Bruce can’t or won’t manage, and they’re doing it as a little bonded triple unit all the way up to hmm somewhere around Identity Crisis and Infinite Crisis. (Except for Azrael. Poor JPV really is a red-headed step-child and nobody wants to play with him).
And then I recall that your average fanon Batfamily fan can identify only about half this list and is probably extremely confused by why Selina really doesn’t want to be teaming up with Tim back in the 90s and doesn’t realise that Tim had a close working relationship with HELENA before he had one with Dick. (I’d forgotten that Tim and Helena were at “team up every time we cross paths” stage before Prodigal happened and Dick decided that he had a new little brother now, thank you very much, until I mapped all this out)
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Black Character Tournament: Right Side!
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kudosmyhero · 7 months
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Robin #4: The Destroying Angel
Read Date: February 18, 2023 Cover Date: April 1991 ● Writer: Chuck Dixon ● Penciler: Tom Lyle ● Inker: Bob Smith ● Colorist: Adrienne Roy ● Letterer: Tim Harkins ● Editor: Dennis O'Neil ◦ Dan Raspler ●
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**HERE BE SPOILERS: Skip ahead to the fan art/podcast to avoid spoilers
Reactions As I Read: ● Shiva, Clyde, and Robin attack some of Lynx's gang near Hong Kong to get info on where King Snake's plane will be landing ● the moon is STILL full ● the crew find the field where Dorrance's plane has come in ● heheh, I love that Shiva keeps vanishing on Robin
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● they follow the truck to a skyscraper in Hong Kong ● King Snake confronts Lynx with the fact that Robin, Shiva, and Clyde are still alive ● he's too much of a "gentleman" to kill her, so he passes her off to Bobbo ● woo, Shiva came through on lodging for the night
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● Shiva wakes Tim up in the middle of the night for some martial art training ● and Tim gets his bo staff! ● heheh, Shiva kicks Tim's ass and he's left with the wind knocked out of him. ● King Snake wants to ruin Hong Kong before the Chinese take control of it in 6 years ● Tim's detective skills are top notch ● Round 2 with Shiva. Tim had cut into his staff so that it whistles when going through the air. the noise distracts Shiva and Robin is able to nail her. ● Dorrance is having the water clock rebuilt in his tower and will use it to activate the bioweapon ● 👏👏👏👏
Synopsis: Robin, Clyde Rawlins and Lady Shiva arrive at the port city of Kowloon in Hong Kong. They stalk the streets until they find members of King Snake's Ghost Dragons. Shiva is prepared to kill all of them, but Robin convinces her to allow him to interrogate one of the Dragons, asking him where Snake is having the plague weapon delivered. The gang member tells them about an airfield where the plague is being delivered.
They stake out the airfield and follow the trail back to King Snake's penthouse in the central district of Hong Kong, despite Robin's urging that the plague is more important than Clyde or Shiva's vendettas. After surveying the estate, they retreat for the evening to one of Lady Shiva's safe houses.
The following morning, Lady Shiva decides to give Robin some pointers on combat techniques. Robin thinks Shiva is a homicidal maniac, but respects her martial prowess. She offers him his choice of a weapon from her own private collection. He chooses a collapsible battle staff, despite Shiva's urging that he should choose a more lethal weapon.
The two spar, but Shiva easily beats him. Later, Robin carves notches into the tip of the staff enabling it to generate a whistling effect whenever he swings it. He uses it during their next sparring competition and the distinctive warbling distracts Shiva long enough for Robin to get the upper hand.
That evening, the mercenary, Henri Ducard, arrives in Hong Kong. He stakes out King Snake's operations by the shipyard and prepares to make his move. Ghost Dragons in disguise as police officers discover him and attack him inside of their car, but he fights back and succeeds in killing several of them.
Meanwhile, King Snake looks down upon the city from his penthouse suite. Using the newly reconstructed Moorish water-clock that he bought in Iberia, he plans to release the plague so that the city of Hong Kong will be a wreck before it falls into the hands of communists.
(https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Robin_Vol_1_4)
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Fan Art: Dick Grayson - from boy to man by GarnetQuyenDinh
Accompanying Podcast: ● Robin: Everyone Loves the Drake - episode 14
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fancyfade · 3 years
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feels like this comic is really working hard to try to make tim obviously “morally superior” to clyde which is just uncomfortable
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roseandgold137 · 5 months
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Okay idk if it’s a colouring error or not but I am choosing to believe he got tan lines from wearing the robin mask during the day. In France no less
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missshezz · 3 years
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analviel · 3 years
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I just find it amusing that Shiva sent Clyde to the kitchen after he called her 'honey' and we later see the empty plates so its implied Clyde did do as ordered.
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thattimdrakeguy · 4 years
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I have a feeling Clyde wasn’t expecting on adopting babies at this point in his life, but then Timmy showed up--
Timmy’s so down on himself and miserable looking for the first two issues cause of all his mistakes, but in issue three you get to see a bit more of his bubbly side, and he’s just so--
-- baby.
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mzminola · 1 year
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Tim’s choice to walk away from Lady Shiva & King Snake (Edmund Dorrance) at the end of the Robin 1991 five-issue mini is just so fucking interesting to me.
Tim’s spent significant time this arc with Shiva training him, most of which is her kicking the shit out of him. Dorrance was planning to unleash a bio-weapon on Hong Kong, which Tim stops. Dorrance has killed Clyde Rawlins, the other adult who helped Tim stop the bio-weapon, who was primarily on a revenge quest.
Tim has an injured rib by the end of the fight, but manages to kick Dorrance through a window so he’s hanging onto a walkway. Which is when Shiva shows up; she made it clear to Tim & Rawlins at the start of this that her goal is to find King Snake and kill him just because he’s a very skilled martial artist.
And we get this exchange:
Shiva: “Kill him, little bird. Kill him and become a predator.” Tim: “I thought you wanted to kill him, Shiva. You wanted to be the baddest of the bad. Shiva: “But I will be killing him. Aren’t you my weapon? My instrument of death? Say you are mine.” Tim: “No.”
And Tim just...turns and walks back inside. Half-glancing over his shoulder at a loud “Nooooooo” from Dorrance, with Tim’s narration box saying “Fifty stories is a long way to fall.”
Tim doesn’t try to stop Lady Shiva from killing Dorrance. He doesn’t even protest, say Dorrance is defeated, so why kill him, etc. He just quietly says “No” and walks away. Then he carries Rawlins’ body out of the building despite the pain in his ribs. The trio has saved the day, but the tone is forlorn and melancholy.
It felt very different from the superhero comics I’m used to, and it’s not much later that we will see Tim going up against impossible odds to rescue even villains.
But right here, at the end of this arc, when Tim is tired, injured, far from home, heartsick over Rawlins’ death, facing down a woman he 100% knows he cannot win against, who only wants to kill one man who would have killed an entire city...
Tim walks away.
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