#(and there is a difference between 'i dont like this' and 'this is straight up WRONG')

[highfunctioningfleshrule63]

hey, your video compilation of 4chan post about shield is a great ressource for fandom psychology. Interesting to see another user who lurk the wrestling board and use tumblr. Did you ever work on compilation of the tumblr fandom during the peak of the shield era ? I did not research it yet. xoxo

glad someone liked that video, only in times when im super fixated on something will i end up searching through the 4chan archives for more content...unfortunately 4chan vernacular tends to get a laugh out of me (if it isnt absolute lowtier content, had to scrape through a lot of that). the shield stuff i tried to get from when it was at its peak and you'll see posts on there from 2013+, but i also got modern stuff now bc the boardspeak actually changed with it.

ironically it is way easier to deepdive and compile stuff from 4chan bc it has a much better archival system than tumblr; ive also looked for lots of old stuff on deviantart due to the crossover but i found that it has a pretty shitty way of archiving/sorting older posts (just like on here. ive been on tumblr since 13 so i know what sorts of areas to look for, but its still very hard to find it directly on here. i havent spent as much time as i did getting those posts for that video so i can try harder.)

fandom psychology is interesting to me too so im happy you saw my video with that angle. ive collected lots of old shield fangirl content off of sites like weheartit and pinterest (ironically those are often better at keeping images up for longer periods of time) too but i didnt know if i should make a comp, maybe i will. i also looked through random forums and places like lolcow dot farms (which only really granted one of the screenshots...not too much discussion over there for good or bad. i was hoping to find discussion abt shieldfangirls or wrestling rpf but surprisingly they didnt think to make a "point and laugh" thread abt those topics). i find it interesting how much shieldrelated psychosis was on both sides of the spectrum (tumblr vs 4chan)....i could talk more on it but im a little brainless and sleep deprived rn

heres some extras i had that didnt make the cut (plus just some of my favorites):

and these were from a thread talking abt the modern stereotypical tumblr wrestling fan (specifically talking abt aedubs young bucks fans/the elite fans)

(*fangirl in this is a term im using loosely of course)

#surprisingly there is actually LESS shield blingees than dx or cm punk blingees. that at least i could find. theres a large number of #desktop background edits from deviantart and content like the fanfic edits/“outfits i would wear to meet the shield”/ogflowercrown phone bg #collages. and the like. i could compile all this shit i just didnt think it mattered to anyone LOL #sorry for the long post everyone #the most interesting thing abt the shields hayday and eventual fall on 4chan was 1) how many guys unironically loved seth up until he #“turned shoot faggot”/or the first knee injury. he was a fan favorite on there even with the contrarian posters saying otherwise (most of #4chan is just being. the contrarian so that tracks). and 2) the huge divide between guys who hated ambrose (usually bc he was over with #female fans...theres still that divide with how straight men dont understand favs among women. also goes along w my noted difference in fav #among queer men/women etc etc - but they would mask this by saying they hated that he was a jobber (true) or his inring technique was slopp #) and guys who adored ambrose bc he was a promo guy...they loved his early promos/“he just like me fr”.. (and a large grouping of dudes who #would call him cute). i dunno just stuff i noticed #also. obviously a lotta mox hate due to dickriding cornette #the shields peak is interesting to me so i might continue to compile more shit like this when i get the time. i have the shield dvds too #and wanted to do a LONG journey of p1rat1n6 all their scenes off of pcock while i still have my sub. but it would take a while #also. love ur acc bc i too enjoy thinkin abt the fem versions of dude wrestlers #fleshclipstag #tactical-asks

[hargrove-mayfields]

Funny how people have been saying that Steve is the big brother Max deserves, but when Max dies he has literally no reaction. He just stands there and listens to the clock chime, along with Nancy and Robin. As if he doesn’t even care. Max sacrificed herself for them and died and they express no grief at all, and I’m pretty sure it’s Nancy who says anything. Yet when Billy thought Max might be in danger at the Byers, he got so protective of her that he was willing to fight someone he wanted to be friends with. He spent the last week complimenting Steve and showing off in front of him, but he didn’t hesitate to beat his ass for putting his sister in harm's way. Who really deserves to be her brother?

Even once Max is in the hospital and they’ve had a little time to process what happened to her and visit, Steve is even more uncaring. He’s somewhere else smiling and playing matchmaker as if the kid he babysat for three years isn’t across the room bawling his eyes out because someone close to him died in his arms. Do you really think Steve still gives two shits about Max in this scene when he can’t even bother with Dustin?

Meanwhile Billy was so torn up that Max hated him (and started mirroring his abusive father) that he spent at least a month trying to figure out how to talk to her. Before the snowball he looks so sad because he knows he fucked up their relationship, and not even on purpose. And then, according to Dacre, between s2 and s3 he’s really trying to be the best brother to her he can and be a better person in general. And their relationship was improving! If Max died you bet your ass Billy wouldn’t just forget about her. He was her brother, not some random older guy she hardly knew who had a hero complex and saved her just to ease his own worries and then moved on with his life. I don’t agree with that characterization of Steve but that’s what the Duffers gave us.

Out of the two, who really cared about Max? That would be her real brother, thank you.

#billy hargrove #billy & max #not tagging anyone else because I really don’t want to argue about this #but it’s been bothering me since the season came out #imagine being so delusional that you act like shit you made up or saw on tiktok is canon #and ignoring what actually is canon bc you dont like it #like okay i dont like canon either #but at least i’ll acknowledge what happened #and if i change it its in fic #not just in rumors #like antis keep deciding what happened for themselves and spreading lies about it #and people just believe it as truths #and bully people who dont agree #theres a difference between a popular headcanon or fic trope and people just straight up lying about canon #this is one of those things

[snekdood]

"if we make america worse and more of a dictatorship that will be even harder to unravel and make it the way we want the country to be, maybe then everyone will join our Glorious Revolution!" bb girl you cant even be in the same room with someone who thinks you should vote, how in tf do you think you're gonna unite people to fight in The Revolution with you? it's gonna be you and your 5 friends, i hate to break it to you.

#i dont think you realize how repelling you and your politics are to everyone else #you get all of your validation for how Smart You Are from your friends and ignore any kind of feedback that suggests you should #change or do something differently. thats the only reason you're so convinced average people will go along with you bc you keep getting #affirmation from the people who ALREADY agree with you- but you have NO IDEA how to bridge the gap between people who agree #with you and disagree with you. you're horrible at convincing people of your side of things outside of straight up guilt tripping them #or bullying them like a highschooler. im sorry but the tools you learned to survive with as a kid aren't gonna help you in this situation. #the ONLY THING you can come up with to bridge that gap is a bloody revolution. thats how bad you are at this. #and you're also so bad at this and unimaginative that you dont even realize how THAT might not even be enough. #you cant imagine ANY kind of avenue to getting people to change AT ALL outside of blood and fire. and thats why people call you #an authoritarian. #i'll be honest- i really do think the world would be a better place if we did incremental change under a democratic president who wont #set the world on fire vs the godkingemperor republican WHO WONT EVEN LISTEN TO YOU AT ALL EVER AND MIGHT KILL YOU #FOR PUTTING UP A STINK. idk if you noticed but if that evil fuck gets into office we are severely outnumbered if he gets police #n shit to go after his own citizens. letting trump win is making this battle so much harder than it needs to be. #you are choosing trying to fix the world while its exploding vs trying to fix it before it explodes at all. #what is this like a procrastination thing? you wanna wait till the last minute to try? idfgi. wtf is wrong with you #throwing minority lives away to prove a point. and then you try to tell me you care. gtfoh. #accelerationists should never be taken seriously.

[ra-vio]

semester is almost over. im dying

#my oc #rune #mori #i have a project due tomorrow and its finally scared me back into drawing #even though i should be working on this project but im SO SO SO TIRED #i went on an outing like 2 weeks ago the same week that i walked everywhere cause i was desperately #trying to get my taxes done but thats a different story but the point is i was walking a lot and i went on an outing where i stood all day #and then i had to go to class the very next day thinking i was fine but i wasnt. #and that same day after i walked across the city because i absolutely had to pick a thing up. i think the same week i met up with my mom #a couple of times but i was walking the whole way there. my point is that for 2 weeks straight i have been rigorously walking everywhere #and on my feet all the time with little breaks in between and my feet fucking hurt man #i need this semester to be OVER i need to sleep for a MONTH #but i cant because i have to scrape together SOME of this project and finals are next week #this class this project is for fucking sucks. all semester ive been teetering the line between pass and fail #and its not even my fucking fault. im so burnt out so i dont want to do this project. but i might fail if i dont #i need to at least demo it but i have like. one thing done and i dunno what to tell my TA about i #how do i tell my TA and prof that everything is too much for me so i absolutely could work on this project #my laptop is broken so im afraid to use it. the server kept going down last month so i was afraid to use that #so many stupid little things keep piling up and i'd sound really weird trying to explain why i cant do my work #because my desk is on the floor and it makes me really sad so no i cant do my hw. my fave candy has red40 in it so i had to stop eating it #but now i cant do my work because i was using it to help me focus on my hw. LIFE SUCKS BRO #anyway whatever happens. i cant wait to play video games again

[1pcii]

one piece modern au mentions zoro is bad at math or actually genuinly stupid/unintelligent 143 dead 657 injured

#like theres a difference between poking fun at him for being directionally challanged or looking at books more than reading them #or generally being more brawns than brains. and going 'dumb stupid idiot' idk #it just bothers me alot #especially making a point about him being bad at MATH??? disproven by canon but go off ig #idk maybe its just me since i personally see him as nd but it rubs me the wrong way went ppl straight up insult him #psii.txt #text #fanfic #roronoa zoro #also proabably dosnt help i relate to some of his worst traits but for largely more medical reasons. like boy they- #-talking about a 2d anime dude dont take it so personally 😭

[stag-bi]

what a whiplash going to see my 2016 tumblr dash (as linked in that last post) and getting slapped in the face w full blown ace discourse 😭😭😭

#i was an exclusionist too lmao i was so pissed as if hordes of cishet aces were coming to Invade Our Spaces?????? CRINGE #i still have beef w the split attraction model when non-aspec ppl use it ON BI SUBREDDITS CONSTANTLY TO DISCOURAGE ANY SELF-REFLECTION #like telling newly out bi's their internalized homo/biphobia is just an inborn trait that cant be helped so dont bother looking into it :) #thats more of a personal pet peeve than anything though #honestly the whole discourse was so stupid and the fake stories and moral panic coming from it was ridiculous #u kno whats real and can be trusted? peoples own experiences and interpretations of themselves. and that needs to be respected and accepted #i got so fed up w the dehumanizing and circlejerky nature of the exclusionist side. not to mention the victimhood complexes and the #black and white thinking that were being normalized by the entire discourse. and the essentialist thinking and public shaming #identities are not inherently above examination and there needs to be a balance between inclusion and exclusion in any context #bc both have negative and positive sides when applied to any group or identity. it should be approached w common sense #i wanna veer away from any generalizations and approach things on a case by case basis #but when it comes to someones personal identity and their lived experience. thats none of my business whatsoever #no matter what. basic respect is believing ppl when they say who they are. thats the bare minimum of interpersonal acceptance #fighting against that in order to uphold some us vs them dynamic is straight up awful #if you cant respect someone bc you cant personally understand their experience youre stuck on the wrong thing #you shouldnt need to relate to someone in order to treat them w kindness and empathy #if you need to find someone relatable to accept their validity then youre not genuinely someone accepting of differences

[gunthermunch]

every time i remember there's wicked tumblr people talking shit about me and or my friends behind our back i feel like i need to go out and inhale some fresh air for thirty minutes

#not that i have never talked shit before #chisme is chisme #but i feel like there's a line between common chisme and straight up being a bully #not even a school bully a full grown person bully. its different #im just rambling but yeah. get well soon #dl #hmmm is chisme even the correct translation for talking shit? probably not #oh yeah chisme=gossip. its different. #i think talking shit means mostly making up stuff and being overall a bitch so i have to correct myself #i dont talk shit i GOSSIP which who doesnt? but then theres talking shit. very different yes #i think i used to talk shit at some point too but i was bitter and miserable #yeah. very miserable

[greyeyedmonster-18]

(ive been away from tumblr etc for the better part of a month, i'm not "back" quite yet, but I've spent some time "catching up" so to speak this evening and have a bit of a heavy heart.

some i already knew-- death threats, death threats and more death threats. hate mail.

my friends leaving fandoms they love. people i barely speak to burning out and needing a break from their fics and the constant/consistent stream of "update??????" and rudeness.

and i just need to say that there is an alarming pattern of bx i see, where the authors and creators that make themselves the most accessible and approachable and welcoming to their anons and their followers and readers are often the ones who get shit on first. yall take their openness as an excuse to be dicks. period. you take the people who are willing to have a convo with everyone, who make discords and mod fests, or give people chances and run them into the ground when they post something you dont agree with. the second they post something you don't agree with or write something you don't agree with. or update on a schedule that doesnt align with yours. or write a new ship that isnt part of the #brand. or whatever it might be. and you've made yourselves so comfortable with someone who is FRIENDLY online that you take it as permission to take a shit on the carpet in someone elses home.

and i understand thats a weird metaphor, but i don't much care. y'all forget these tumblrs, these works are still the creators. it is not your space. i repeat: it is not your space. and while they may be welcoming and happy to have you in it--it is still not yours.

and as someone who operates on the opposite end of the spectrum where i don't interact a lot with my readers or my anons or even my mutuals, and occasionally gets a nasty anon about this (cue the folks who @ me for not reccing their fics or doing their prompts; cue that one person who told me i was an asshole, which like, fair enough), i also want to say you can't have it both ways. you cannot be graciously invited into someone else home and then ask them to change the colors of the duvets to suit you. it is not your space.

that is all).

#cw: death threat mention #general observations on fandom culture #ya know. along with other artists stealing from artists here #this is also a trend ive noticed #you dont shit where you eat yall #if you dont like something #then move along #(also please note that i understand there is nuance in this) #(and there is a difference between 'i dont like this' and 'this is straight up WRONG') #(though tbh im not going to unpack the nuances in that on here either) #also feel like some of yall need a reminder that even if it feels like you know us...you don't #we have whole ass LIVES and things and even if we are open about facets of it online...you still dont KNOW us #and so if you're like 'well its okay for me to say it because i KNOW them #we're friends!! #no. #even my friends are not allowed to shit on my carpet or leave their shoes on #whats more my friends tell OTHER PEOPLE to take their shoes off #you know? #cool. #have a nice day. #disappearing again

[gatalentan]

btw i should say i have drawn a line in the sand at this point and if you're out here putting explicit sexual fantasies about law in the tags in my mentions your ass is getting blocked and you can actually fuck all the way off :) yes this is the being unhinged about celebrities website but she is an actual human being and law sexualising herself because she enjoys it is not an open invitation for you to post the things you want to do to her ACTUAL HUMAN BODY out in the open on main for all to see as if that's a normal thing to do! it isn't normal at all! just because you're a woman/queer does not make it better somehow. it's past objectifying it's just straight-up rapey. so that's that on that. not everything you think has to be posted on the internet. you can just THINK things or scream in your friends' dms. go outside pet your dog do a line smoke some weed punch a wall whatever it is you need to calm down but just shut the actual fuck up on my fucking posts :) and dont fucking post this on twitter :)

#i'm not a prude let's get that out of the way i just think there's a very big difference between thinking about fictional characters #and a very real human woman with thoughts feelings and CONSENT. #like freaking out in the tags is NORMAL but there is a LINE where it goes from normal 'oh girl hot big boobie' to you just straight up #objectifying her body like she's not real. #just think for like 0.05 seconds 'would this freak someone out if i said this to their face' and if the answer is yes then maybe dont!!!!!!

[dhmis-autism]

i DID put all my character playlists on spotify recently so i could get real autistic about those today if i want hmmmmmmm

#did it for a friend and GOT SO MAD #bc the 13 min extended version of a song i had on yellows playlist straight up doesnt exist on spotify and its fucked up #i also wanted to do custom lil icons for their playlists but aaah.. theyre very short #theyre all like 20 mins or under lol. #so maybe not worth it #BUT LIKE. ive talked about this i get insane about character playlists. last ones i did were years in the making #like i need every line and every lyric to fit or ill lose it and it has to be in a specific order or ill start screaming #IM. listen. listen the url is no joke. #if i dont have these playlists meticulously in a specific order i will start screaming crying ect #because theres like. the theme of the overall playlist but also the themes interweaving between two different songs and how they reflect on #ok i shall. stop that now. #tumblr tags were like girl shut up #my dhmis postings

[the-acid-pear]

Said this on my liveblog but I gotta say this here too, the way Berdly's crush on Susie is handled is, so fucking good. So much so it upsets me how the fandom treats it, because from Berdly's pov it's so damn genuine... So much so he's SHY about it gamer teen experiences crush for the first time and is crushed and humbled by it. Like there's something so funny and cute about Susie accidentally making these two nerds go thru a whole character arc by virtue of being hot and THE WHOLE TIME she doesn't fully realize that's what's going on. I just honestly love it and I love Berdly so much ....

#luly talks #Berdly isnt too liked and ppl do tend to prefer queer ships to m/f ones but i call that cowardice #like all the little fanart I've seen of these two is always kinda mean like no!! dont be like that!! #I've said it b4 idc about shipping i don't want a canon ship i often even doubt ralsei isnt fully platonic and just gay like that #(i do love ralsei/susie i can't help that actually) #but like sure i havent dived in deep the tags YET but thru osmosis during previous years and what I've seen as of lately well #BERDLY IS DONE SOOO DIRTY. #and that is without acknowledging the people that make him to be a bigot those deserve the death penalty straight up #like berdly is often so downplayed and treated so badly when he's just a little friendless kid #NO DIFFERENT TO LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE LIKE GOD #HE'S ACTING ALL HIGH AND MIGHTY THE SAME WAY SUSIE ACTS ALL MEAN AND CRUEL #THE PARALLELS BETWEEN THEM BOTH ARE BEAUTIFUL AND I'LL RIP MY HAIR OFF ABOUT THIS I LOVE BERDLY SO MUCH #my nephew now. #deltarune

[butchladymaria]

I agree with your list ! People being asshole about lesbian & other headcanons gtfo! That list could work for many other things too.

But to be sure everyone don’t mix thing up i just want to point out that not liking/ not being fan of an headcanon don’t equal  being an ass about it. It’s the mean actions or words afterwards that are bad. 

hey! i’m glad you found it generalizable. there’s a lot of things on there that get used against pretty much any “diverse” perspectives both inside and out of fan spaces. as for your second point, i don’t disagree with you. there are some queer headcanons that i don’t personally hold, but i’m going to be cheering them on rather than contributing to the negativity we face on a regular basis. you can personally hold a different headcanon without being a jerk.

this is not @ you anon, but there are a lot of people who believe that underrepresented groups seeing themselves in characters — whether through the lens of race, gender, sexuality, disability, etc — is “politicizing” fandom and ruining it somehow, as though a white/cishet/male/abled perspective is the default in art and anything else is “tainting” the “pure” fanspace. some of them might believe those voices can exist — so long as they keep their heads down and don’t take up too much space. the fact of the matter is that’s a bigoted thing to believe. our existence has been politicized against our will. for the marginalized, fan spaces are just another front we have to push to participate in. if someone finds themself constantly disliking one specific type of queer/nonwhite/disabled/etc. headcanon and feels the need to say over and over how much they don’t like it, they ought to seriously interrogate why that is.

#anon #ask #discussion of of bigotry cw #it kinda touches on most of them bc i feel the framework im talking about here is broad enough to apply generally #idk i dont think this is what anon meant? #but like. i feel there is a difference between having a different pov and actively openly disliking smth #i actually find utena tenjou to be a good example of this #utena is very ambiguous in both gender & sexuality as a character #ive seen all varieties of headcanons for her and all sorts of people relating to her #from trans men to nb people to butch cis women. lesbians bi folks pan folks ace folks etc #and i dont think any of those perspectives are wrong #i think shes a transmasc lesbian because i’m a transmasc lesbian and the show cracked my egg lol #but i dont think that means that like. transfem ppl are Wrong to relate to her. i don’t think it means bi ppl are wrong to relate to her. #i dont think hcing her as those things are wrong either #but if someone comes out and says people are wrong and bad and annoying for existing with those povs?? shut up #and when those ppl crop up they are usually trying to argue a character is more Normative #ex: gender conforming. straight. cis. white. etc. #so yes dont be an asshole over headcanons but being an asshole to queer hcs almost always looks very different #bc its usually built on bigoted foundations

[galarfiend]

currently enjoying a little crisis about my future and how i can get what i want out of life without losing my parents’ support so uh them

maybe they have more in common than they know. maybe theres a difference between forgiving someone and excusing their actions. maybe enemies can become friends

#bede #hop #also you can tag this as cheeryfairy if you want #i think its sweet if its done right #my art #vent art #<i guess? #its not straight up vent art but i drew it to blow off some anxiety so #eh #ramble incoming: #i just think a lot of people dont understand the difference between forgiving someone and excusing their actions #there are definitely people who dont deserve forgiveness but i dont think that bede is one of them #idk. idk #also i feel like when ppl write redemption arcs they accidentally cut & paste a new personality. its annoying #in conclusion: everybody should go watch atla and study zuko like hes a beetle.

[multiipl]

*; OOC » some ppl really be going onto my rules?? and then hit me up on anon shitting on my triggers like “what’s wrong with Z*tara???” “Why would b*k*d*k* trigger you?? It’s so popular” in a tone so judgmental and condescending like ??? First of all rude? Second of all, I could list more ships that trigger me because they are shipping victims and abusers. “But those ships are so popular” yeah and? just bc they are popular doesn’t make it less triggering for me. The reason they are popular are precisely why I use them as my prime examples in my rules. I have them blacklisted for a reason. Like. Most/Each individual ship is another whole individual can of worms to open that I won’t go into detail because that’s not the point of this post. 

The point of this post is that I do not have to justify why shipping victims with their abusers is triggering to me. I’d appreciate it if instead of questioning me bc “they are so popular tho” people could just respect my triggers. Thanks and good night.

#*; here we go again » ooc #tw: abuse #//Usually I just ignore it cuz like... I dont have to justify my triggers but like #//sometimes I am baffled by how these keep coming and it keeps frustrating me #//I wont pick this up *again* I will say this once and ONLY once #//Further snarky or thoughtless anons like this will be deleted. #// vent #tw: vent #//Especially bc like... there is a difference between shipping 'problematic' characters and characters who have done wrong #versus straight up victims and their abusers #//For example - KaiNier. Spoiler alert but Kainé beats Nier before they go fight the shadowlord. was it wrong? yes. she knows. #she realises almost immediately that it was wrong of her to 'beat some sense' into Nier who was grieving #//meanwhile there's ships out there with the abuser continuously causing harm to their 'partner' for the sake of it. #ships where the abuser is a constant reminder of the victims trauma. where the victim is made to obey the abuser #//Like no thank you miss me with that shit

[strawberrycircuits]

Our first interaction was me explaining some of the stuff in lu to you and mutually complaining about it and I think we should do that again. Anyway here's a picture of me suffering after seeing many wretched takes about sksw link (influenced by lu or straight up lu that's wrong) and dreading the ones that will come tomorrow (lu update tonight)

ohhh. godspeed out there soldier ....

#its not even a matter of like. being upset at LU necessarily #its just like. seeing the same characterization everywhere in lieu of like. maybe analyzing the text and making your own. #ik i sound a little bit like a broken record w this but link goes through an arc thats like. genuinely interesting if u look into it! #but no its just. LU sky. over and over and over again #and im not seeking content for LU Sky im looking for content of skyward sword link #its not just him ofc but like. idk #there is a difference between sleepy and exhausted. hes canonically a bit of a fucking asshole and just straight up lies to ppl for fun #<- ('whered he go?' 'beyond ...') #he has a character and i just Dont Think Its That #lu negativity #<- tagging just in case. nothing against jojo to be clear theyre cool #its just. aaagh. where is my boy

[steelycunt]

a cup of tea...a homemade crumble...this evening is already so full!! of little delights!!

#was planning to go out and then the plans got cancelled. have to say i am sort of relieved i am knackered and i have to get up sooo early #tomorrow xx so instead tonight has become!! pyjamas!! and writing also :-) if there is a home straight to this thing. well i am on it now x #also i dont know what a home straight is. is it a baseball term? like the last base to the home plate thing? i dont know #also what is the difference between baseball and rounders. and are they not both just cricket except you run round in a little #circle thing instead of back and forth. there are so many questions #to which i do not have the answer... #but you know what i do have? TEA! and crumble :-) #(ridi's) bigmouth strikes again