OK, if anyone wants the MTL of all the not translated so far chapters of the novel Till the End of the Moon is based on, here you go. It includes the extras. It’s literally an MTL made with deepl that I didn’t edit at all except change all the “Tantai Ashes” (appropriately gothic) to “Tantai Jin.” I didn’t even bother to put in chapter numbers in the beginning.
You can edit it, share it, print it out to make airplanes to launch, I don’t care :P
Sample from one of the extras in case you want to see how readable it is:
Su Su yawned, contented.
The first rays of light in the morning came through.
Tantai Jin opened his eyes.
Su Su in his arms slept peacefully, and he touched the hidden Devil God seal between his forehead.
He saw his other self when he was swept into the Dao of the Same Sorrow. The demon ruler who had no love ties until his death and knew only intrigue and trickery.
And these lonely scenes, but at this moment, far, far away from him.
The glazed bead string on his wrist glowed with a shallow translucent light in the sunlight, he looked down and measured the bead string, under the formation of the Wutong forest that had not yet had time to disperse, the devil pupil saw what Su Su had quietly melted into that year.
–That is a goddess, the most precious blessing and love.
Stunned for a long time, in such an ordinary early morning, born without love and tears of the devil god, suddenly wet eyes.
Rey being Sidious' granddaughter and the new Jedi still could've been a fascinating and interesting story, BUT THEY ALREADY DID THAT STORY WITH LUKE IN THE OT. Luke, the son of the man who destroyed the Jedi, the most infamous Dark sider, brings back the Jedi and revives the Skywalker name and saves his family who fell to the dark. They already did "The last scion of a Dark sider saves the Jedi." JJ literally couldn't think of a way to write Rey and this trilogy without badly copying the OT
They also did that story with Ben. Ben’s whole character arc was his reaction to the weight of discovering a dark legacy. They copy pasted this onto Rey, but because JJ sees Rey as some “inherently good” person, she gets to respond to this with all sorts of double standards which show how Good she is (except unlike Luke who saves his dark relative through love, Rey murders hers). It’s a bad copy-paste of Luke and Ben’s responses to being related to Vader without grasping why either of those things work or how they do.
Sometimes I wonder what would’ve happened in fandom if TROS had been good. Do you think the fandom would’ve more active because it was satisfying and felt like the story was coherent? Or do you think the disappointment fired people up even more?
I think usually, fandom is fueled by a sense of imperfection in the source material. The whole point is that canon left something unexplored and that people want to devote energy to filling that gap.
The problem is that there needs to be enough potential in the mistakes for people to be emotionally moved to see the potential despite the mistakes. There are movies that are campy and imperfect but there's enough heart there for people to love them, and then there are movies that are just...bad. Not bad in an inspired way.
I think if Star Wars had ended happily, it might have killed the fandom eventually because fans wouldn't feel a need to add to it. But even so, there would be some emotional connection that would likely inspire people to explore AUs. But the problem with TROS is that it is such a salted earth movie that destroys all significance the whole Skywalker Saga ever had.
There is nothing in TROS to offer anyone because the movie is so throughly destroys every character and every theme in a basically unsalvageable way. And that's why the fandom has in many ways dropped off the face of the Earth. There is almost nothing to salvage from the ashes of TROS.
Hi corseque. A few months ago (don’t ask why this is coming back to me know haha) you had a tweet saying that all your ships involved the male insulting/ridiculing the female’s father. I think you linked some Beauty and the Beast book too that I can’t find, so the answer is probably in there, but what purpose do you think this serves? I’m leaning towards it ‘waking’ the female protag. up in some way but idk, I’m stuck.
The answer is actually in that book, but to sum it up (at least in the early versions of Beauty and the Beast) there’s this hint of an Electra complex with Beauty and her dad—it’s this kind of unhealthy relationship where she replaces her mother in her home by doing her mother’s work, and her father doesn’t see the need to remarry. Father and daughter both can’t move on to the next stage of life because they’re arguably unhealthily codependent. Her father can’t leave his bed in grief when Beauty leaves, and Beauty greets him in bed when she goes home (iirc this actually happens in the 1945 movie version too). There are other strange Electra details to the story that she goes into detail about—and it’s not actually sexual, it’s a metaphor for Beauty clinging unhealthily to the childhood by clinging to her father past when it’s appropriate, and the father clinging back. This is why there isn’t a mother in beauty and the beast, because the story is partially about this codependent tension that gets resolved.
So the Beast is a primal force, Campbell’s “heavenly suitor” that represents the heroine discomfort with growing up, who tears the unhealthy comfort of her father away from her in various ways so that she can grow up. This is also why the father remarries at the end of Beauty and the Beast, because they’ve both healthily moved on from depending on the father-daughter relationship. If you pay attention, this kind of vibe actually happens a lot in these kinds of beauty and the beast stories.
It’s in Sansan when Sandor tells Sansa about her father being a murderer just like him, and when he is the one who must force her to look at her father’s severed head.
It’s in Reylo when Ben tells Rey that Han would disappoint her as a father, that Luke would disappoint her (but Ben would not, she should reject these fathers and join with Ben as lovers). And when he attacks and tries to kill/supplant those figures.
It’s in Rumbelle when Rumple outsmarts and overpowers Belle’s father in their first scene, and she actively chooses to go with him rather than stay with her father, and it’s in the same episode when he kidnaps and beats the ever-living shit out of her father for failing to protect her.
I’m surprised, thinking back, that Jareth in Labyrinth didn’t talk shit about Sarah’s dad. I think he probably would have if there wasn’t a stepmother figure.
It’s in stories where Death falls in love, because Death is the natural enemy to all people, even her father.
I made a list one time of all my ships, and noted if they shared this detail, and since most of my ships are these monstrous/divine husband coming-of-age stories, a shocking amount of them had this detail.
The divine husband hates or rebels against or even actively murders the father. Once you start looking for it, it’s everywhere in these monster husband/miraculous suitor stories. In a lot of stories about girls clinging to childhood, there’s this metaphor of a male suitor overcoming or fighting her father or even stealing her away from childhood when the journey frightens her. Because otherwise she would just stay there as her father’s little girl. This is why the Rey’s ending in TROS was so endlessly, breathtakingly debilitating.
For some reason it’s also just really hot when the suitor just talks mad shit and hates her dad. I’ll try to find the part of the book where she was talking about this
I’m still not over the fact that they wanted to try to sell the trio and their reunion as the heart of the story when they spend the whole movie pointing out that every one of them is keeping secrets from each other and won’t tell each other anything and all their deep emotional beats occur alone with other characters most of whom were created solely for this movie and their moments of growth also occur outside of each other so they have zero depth to their relationship and Poe also constantly points this out.
At least Midsommar was ABOUT its heroine’s agency getting undermined and her trauma being exploited, TROS’ director literally called its heroine a ‘vessel’ for Luke and Leia as if it were a great thing and the movie spends the majority of its runtime explaining why Rey’s power actually has a source and her darkness has a source and nothing is hers. And TROS makes it seem like this is something good, something to be celebrated, like her identity being subsumed under Luke’s is a happy ending
like her identity being subsumed under Luke’s is a happy ending
see also this twitter thread. TROS validates Rey’s desperate need for father figures to worship and please as a GOOD thing. in TLJ and even TFA this was presented, interestingly, and correctly, as a character flaw that was keeping her from becoming her true self. TROS redeems and celebrates it. Coddles her for it. Her best quality is apparently her humble loyalty to an old generation. “One day I will earn your brother’s saber”. (cue a thousand 40-something star wars dudebros sighing in appreciation, finally satisfied that the little bitch is showing deference to their untouchable childhood hero.)
TROS celebrates “Rey Someone”, as in Rey being defined by attaching someone else’s identity and legacy on her. Palpatine, Skywalker. Accepting to be a vessel. The (attempted) superficial message is that you can choose your own path and identity in spite of where you came from, but it’s actually the opposite: where you come from DOES matter. You need to claim a cool last name to be someone, or you’re “just” you. (And no, excuse me if I don’t buy the adoption narrative, when all the members of the adoptive family are DEAD.) TROS makes a point of making “just Rey” an obstacle that needs to be fixed, a wound that needs to be healed. It then proceeds to reveal that Rey is someone(’s), but the wrong someone. And then fixes it again by making Rey the RIGHT someone’s.
In the hands of a decent storyteller (like Rian), Rey’s angst over her parents would have been a plot device to tell us something about her character. In TROS, it became the be all end all of her character, her entire arc. And if you look at the ST as a whole, it’s a convoluted one, where her crux is first her abandonment issues, then learning that her parents were pieces of shit who will never come back for her because they’re dead, then learning that OOPS no they were good people who tried to protect her, but surprise her grandfather is Palpatine, to NOT dealing with this supposedly inherited darkness in any significant way, to finally rejecting that absolutely irrelevant inherited darkness, to embracing the good one. PHEW! What a ride! What about Rey’s character, though? Who is going to remember what her character conflict was in 20 years, or even 3 years?
They didn’t treat her as a character, they treated her as a piece of trivia to prop up a fake House Skywalker vs House Palpatine final battle and capitalize on nostalgia.
The problem is not “Rey Skywalker” per se. The problem is Rey Skywalker coupled with how horridly written her arc was, the unilateral hero-worship of Luke & the Jedi, her infantilisation and denial of all the interesting traits that were set up in TLJ, the loss of her soulmate being just another bullet point to drive her to the final scene where’s she’d be just fanservice fodder for the OT fans. She was done so dirty.
Anonymous said:
The infantilisation of Rey makes a little more sense when you consider that TROS was a movie made by and for middle-aged men who are OT fans. From JJ’s perspective, Rey IS a metaphorical “daughter” figure: he isn’t seeing her as a hero in her coming-of-age arc towards adulthood and fulfillment, he’s looking at her from the perspective of Luke and Leia
TROS was a movie made by and for middle-aged men who are OT fans
Exactly. Only superficially and disingenuously marketed to children. I have no doubt that a child can watch TROS and be vaguely entertained but I struggle to see how any of its major points and empty OT callbacks could matter ANYTHING to this child. Rey Skywalker? What’s a skywalker again? Palpatine? Probably Snoke’s old uncle. Tatooine????...?? ??
it’s just so ironic than in trying to please OT fans they made the saga almost unrewatchable PARTICULARLY for OT fans who prayed this trilogy could add something good and not like, retroactively ruin everything they loved about SW.
People here only talk about Ben and Reylo, but, guys…this movie DESTROYED all the franchise. ALL the previous movies are useless. 40 years of history. 40 years.