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I should add, the other thing wrong is Babs STANDING in front of the memorial case. She was shot before that. Hell, Suicide Squad #25, first mention of the post-Crisis Oracle (On Earth-2, Oracle was the one who brought the Seven Soldiers of Victory together. Different Oracle, the Gordons only had a son on Earth-2, and this Oracle is a cosmic being IIRC.) is before that.

I suppose that was in answer to this (old post is old)! Thanks for your addition Anon, Oracle trivia is always good for the soul.

#another day of fans caring more about continuity than dc ever did #barbara gordon #asks

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Damian Wayne ending up with so many healthy relationships with women and lots of female friends after his early Morrison-era characterization as a baby misogynist:

#damian wayne #tim drake

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Cross your fingers for Disney losing full Avengers rights

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sag;lkj tim is back for 2.5 seconds and his friends already want him gone

ID under cut

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#true friendship right there #sometimes i’m dumbly trying to fight words to describe why YJ was a master piece #and then a random panel appears on my dash #worth a thousand words indeed doffndndndjdjdj #tim drake #cassie sandsmark #kon el #conner kent #young justice

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HEY DID YOU KNOW THAT Originally JASON TODD WAS AN ACROBAT IN THE CIRCUS LIKE DIck Grayson Because APPARENTLY IT'S TRUE?"

Haha you got that right Anon!

Pre-crisis!Jason was introduced as essentially a carbon copy of Dick, complete with his parents getting killed by some big bad guy (except Killer Croc was responsible this time around). Jason being basically a Dick 2.0 may have been one of the reasons why his character didn’t have that much success amongst fans at first.

His backstory didn’t get reconned into the street kid one until post-crisis.

#he also was blonde but we don’t talk about that #jason todd #asks

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i love your blog :)

thanks a lot, glad you’re enjoying your time here :)

#asks #thank you

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I keep seeing people saying Jason was Tim's favorite robin and I am extremely confused?Does this stem from canon or is just another fanon .Also does it ever bother you how people always use Dick as being a bad brother to tim during the Red Robin arc when at the same time Jason literally tried to murder Tim but is used as an example of a great big brother????

That's fanon. The idea that Jason is his fav Robin is uhh kinda funny when you look back at the majority of moments that Tim talked about Robin Jason in Post-Crisis.

@bat-lings made a post about what Tim thought of Robin Jason that you can read here.

The respect moment that bat-lings referred to is from this:

Also does it ever bother you how people always use Dick as being a bad brother to tim during the Red Robin arc when at the same time Jason literally tried to murder Tim but is used as an example of a great big brother????

Yup. If those people wanna be Like That and ignore all the times that Dick has been a great brother to Tim then there's nothing I can do about it except ignore them and continue to disprove fanon things ("Heavy on the dis," YJ Dick says right before I shove him back from whence he came).

#jason todd #tim drake

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Not even getting into the meat of the problem aka racism and misogyny but there are like...... ways of making Talia’s actual character and Damian’s personality/backstory coexist.

It’s called imagination and putting a minimum amount of thought & effort into your job as a writer in order to not create an actively racist storyline. Damian’s character doesn’t even have to be altered; although it does say a lot how so many people are ready to put a fetishizing & racist portrayal on a pedestal just so yet another boy character can have an angsty backstory.

Anyways it’s really annoying and disheartening to see people say that racist tropes need to be imbedded into one character’s story for the benefit of another.

If you think that way then maybe there’s a problem with your perception of the other character as well 🤷🏾‍♀️

#the good ol’ excuse of ‘yeah but you dont get it it NEEDS to be bigoted in order to work’ #nah it really doesnt #figures me popping back after months of inactivity would be for talia lmao #talia al ghul #damian wayne #zae chatters

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#bruce wayne #damian wayne #batdad #fancomics

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#lol #kon el

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another series of memes from gotham citizens. part 7

part one - part two - part three - part four - part five - part six

#alskslsnsnsksk DEAD

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every few months i lose it thinking about the into the spiderverse peni parker concept art and what couldve been if theyd kept with alberto mielgos designs

#stuff to keep in mind #the first design looks cool in abstract but it gives me a light uncomfortable edge for reasons listed above #and the fact that it has such The Witness vibes is not a good thing #given that episode consisted mostly of sexualizing the distress of a cliched edgy asian woman trope #like i’m not a fan of that anime girl design either but i wouldn’t have gone for the first design #anyway i gotta second that last reblog

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Ugh you just reminded me how stupid it was that they had Tim narrating how he had more training and was smarter than him when Jason had more training than Tim. Honestly, I see a lot of fanon that tim admired Jason but from what i've seen canonically it seemed like he admired Dick and didn't have a high opinion of Jason but that was also due to the writer's view of Jason as well.

Oh I’m so gonna use that ask to do some more ranting against DC, thanks for that gratuitous occasion.

I think as Robin Tim did have some more training (what with Shiva etc, the writing insisted more on his formative days than with Dick or Jason) but saying, like was often the case, that Jason was thrown on the field before he was ready or that he was “the dumb brash Robin” is indeed part of the retcons that he suffered.

[Batman (1940) #411]

Jason was ready. Jason was an excellent Robin. And a very bright kid at that with an interest for detective work. None of that was ever put into question before Starlin waltzed in and casually retconned the character to fit his child-murder agenda. The mere idea that Bruce ‘I prepare for every contingency’ Wayne would’ve let an ill-prepared kid on the streets is one convenient overlook of his character.

Honestly out of all the legends that surround Tim, the one that has him idolizing Jason always confused me the most. Dick was indeed the one Tim idolized. And it’s not just that Tim didn’t admire Jason— he was more touched by the fact that Robin died, and he worried about the effect it had on Bruce. But Jason himself? Lmao no shit given. Tim only showed the slightest bit of respect for Jason once, in ‘Tec #618. Every other time he mentions Jason it’s more in that tone.

[Batman (1940) #455]

And there starts DC’s bullshit because not even considering that they conveniently kept Starlin’s “Jason’s default mode is anger”, it’s Sheila who caused Jason’s death not his anger but look, looook how absolutely nothing is there to contradict Tim, if you read the full scene then not even Bruce tells him anything, no character ever puts Tim into question when he’s trashtalking Jason, Sheila will never ever be mentioned again in preboot and that’s not a frickin coincidence, I hate it

[Batman (1940) #469]

[Nightwing (1996) #25]

Even under Nicieza’s dodgy “partnership” the whole writing consists in making Jason incompetent af, insisting on how much Tim despises him, and emphasizing that he freed him of prison for Bruce & that he regrets it.

[Robin (1993) #183]

Part of Tim’s role as a character was to establish in the reader’s mind that he’s better than Jason, that Jason had some fatal flaw that caused his own death and wasn’t worthy for the Robin legacy (read: the child’s violent death is not DC’s or even Bruce’s fault) & that Tim wouldn’t repeat his mistakes. DC went as far as to instrumentalize other characters to drive that point through.

[Robin (1993) #0]

[Robin (1993) #10]

(I thought I remembered other similar mentions of Jason in Tim’s solo but I couldn’t find them. 183 issues man.)

Tim showed more respect to the memorial than to the person it was supposed to commemorate; he was introduced as worried that Robin would die permanently but not particularly touched that a child had died; he merely worried on the disastrous effect it’d have on Batman/Bruce. I think A Lonely Place of Dying made all of that pretty clear.

DC just couldn’t have Tim empathize with Jason, lest the readers themselves start empathizing with him too much which DC absolutely didn’t want. As a result Jason was used as a device to further prove Tim was dedicated and took Robin seriously (as if that wasn’t clear enough), and Tim came off as highly dismissive & disdainful of Jason on more than one occasion because it’s literally how DC wanted the reader to feel about Jason.

Tim was written in an era that constantly and viciously victim-blamed Jason. It impacted Tim’s portrayal and his view on Jason too. There are ways to exploit that— Tim was just a kid and never got to know Jason before his death, it’s not completely aberrant that he might’ve had misconceptions about him & I wouldn’t blame the character for it. But I blame DC a hell of a lot for framing Tim’s opinion as the absolute truth.

Tim idolizing Jason is a cute idea, really, and it’s a convenient place to get started if you want them to be pals in a fanfic. But as of post-crisis it’s completely fanon. It also pushes DC’s shittiness under the rug while they really don’t deserve their decades of ill-meaning and manipulative writing to be exonerated or simply forgotten.

And for all that I want Jason and Tim to get along (and Jason’s characterization is inconsistent enough that you can select the parts that’d make it work with Tim), I’m not a fan of how reboot went fanservice mode to make Tim & Jason best pals out of nowhere… especially at the cost of Tim’s and Dick’s dynamic.

Plus, how interesting would it be for Tim’s character growth to involve a change of mind about Jason? Tim’s usually pretty self-aware and knows to recognize his own inadequacies or faults. When the writer wants you to consider there’s no fault to speak of, though, it sure doesn’t help.

#funny how everything becomes 120% more interesting the second DC ain’t the ones writing it assrktjfkdkd #where’s my big intra-batfam ‘it was sheila all along’ reveal #how cool would it be if tim was actually the one who discovered that #anyway thanks for the additions y’all #tim drake #jason todd #meta

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Do you like Dick Grayson because he’s a good character or do you just wish you had the same deep meaningful relationships wether romantic or platonic that result in mutual growth and are filled with love and support that he has with most ppl in his life :/

#dick grayson #truth aaah

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Honestly, I’m not a fan of the fact that Cassie has been retroactively made into this generic blonde pretty girl, when her entire original design was a mix of “cool tomboy” and “kinda nerdy 14 year old”. To the point where even funding image references for her 90s incarnation is unbearably difficult (I keep getting N52 and Rebirth Cassie, which is the opposite of what I want).

(All the ones with black hair are just wigs, before anyone asks).

Hell, she doesn’t even like wearing dresses, as seen in Young Justice 80-Page Giant. Which means her Rebirth design (which features a skirt) makes less sense to me.

All in all, I want to see more of tomboy Cassie, as opposed to the generic supermodel Cassie we’ve been seeing since the early 2000s.

#cassie sandsmark

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i’m 98% sure tim is only shown drinking coffee two (2) times on panel in the entire preboot so WHY. is the coffee addiction a thing

#i just died ajdjskakslls #tim drake

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What do you think of the Batfamily members punching Nightwing?

Not unlike comic character deaths

Never an agreeable sight but kinda looses its impact after the first 10(00) times

#:’) #asks