#very normal girl behavior

[entomophagouserisian]

Incoming: some weeb shit I've folded one of my favorite math things into (permutations)

So I recently went back to Revolutionary Girl Utena because my girlfriend hadn't seen any of it yet and I hadn't seen much beyond season 1 (I know it's a foundational work of sword lesbianism and regret not having gone harder on it before).

I was kind of laughing with her about how edgy the translated lyrics of Zettai Unmei Mokushiroku (Absolute Destiny: Apocalypse, the song that plays during the scene where Utena climbs up to the arena every episode) and I noticed that there wasn't a translation for a chant at the end of it that hits my ear in a very pleasing way.

The chant in question:

Mokushi Kushimo

Shimoku Kumoshi

Moshiku Shikumo

The reason there is no translation is that it's mostly gibberish. They took the word "Mokushi" (Apocalypse) and rearranged the syllables in all possible ways to create this particular piece of poetry. The repetition of syllables in this way ends up feeling really good to my brain when I hear it and I have therefore been alternating between trying to memorize it and analyzing its structure for the past few days.

Unfortunately in order to present my process for this analysis I'm going to have to teach you some basics of the mathematical conception of permutations.

(The following aside into math is actually wholly unnecessary to my overall analysis, so feel free to skip to the clearly marked conclusion at the end if it feels like too much or you just don't feel like engaging with it)

A permutation is any reordering of a set of objects. Note that it's just reordering, it doesn't include deletions or the introduction of new elements or new copies of old elements. Commonly if we want to analyze permutations directly, and more specifically to talk about the permutation where the first object goes to 2nd position, second object to 3rd, third object to 1st, we use (123) (read as 1 goes to 2, 2 goes to 3, 3 goes to 1). As well, if the 3rd object stays put and the first two swap places, we would use (12) (read as 1 goes to 2, 2 goes to 1) to describe that. If no change is made, we usually just use (1) (read as one goes to one or the identity) to describe that. (This is very much lacking the rigor and generality that I would've preferred, but this post would've been substantially longer if I'd gone into that much detail, so I'm kind of hoping someone can come in with just this much explanation and understand what comes after)

So my first step in my analysis was to try to record how each of the "words" related to the base/actual word Mokushi (this is admittedly where it would be quite useful for me to change over to hiragana, but I don't know it and don't have a keyboard downloaded for it and don't feel like downloading one just for this post or copy/pasting the hiragana repeatedly, sorry to those of you who study/enjoy Japanese)

So, rewriting the chant as the permutations applied to Mo-Ku-Shi (written this way to emphasize the 3 objects being permuted):

(1) (132)

(123) (12)

(23) (13)

It was fun but didn't get me anywhere (other than verifying every possible ordering was present, but I was already pretty certain of that) so I instead chose to look at what permutation is happening at each step in the sequence rather than just how they compared to the original:

* (132)

(132) (13)

(132) (132)

Here, we see a much more obvious pattern. For all but one transformation, we are permuting by taking the first syllable and pushing to the end, moving the other two toward the beginning of the "word". To hear it, it is very easy to recognize the 2-syllable repeats happening throughout that first pulled my attention. However, this one permutation couldn't be done exclusively if they wanted to cover all possible permutations, as applying (132) 3 times brings you back to the original word, so the third Permutation is instead (13) which just reverses the syllables in this case since there's only 3 of them, but this also notably changes them to a "word" not yet seen which can bring us to the two we are still missing by applying (132) two more times.

It was after all of this that I properly noted that that middle step reversed the previous "word" and I mentally zoomed out to notice

~~~~Conclusion~~~~

the chant is set up to mirror itself. The pairs 1&6, 2&5, and 3&4 are all the reverse of one another, ordered such that for all but one pair heard in sequence, there is a 2-syllable repetition when moving from one word to the next. (Yes it took me this long to notice it was mirrored. No all that permutation work was definitely not necessary, but forgive a [likely autistic] math nerd for her indulgences.)

It's just a silly chant in a cartoon but it made me happy to see permutations in it and I am sincerely moved by the poetry of making gibberish out of a dark and serious word like apocalypse by listing off anagrams.

#Cyn posting #long posting #revolutionary girl utena #weeb shit #math nerdery #permutations #apocalypse #mokushi kushimo shimoku kumoshi moshiku shikumo #Zettai Unmei Mokushiroku #Absolute Destiny: Apocalypse #cyn being very normal about music language math and poetry #this is very hinged behavior

[hecksupremechips]

I always heard people say that Layla should’ve gotten with Warren Peace instead of Will in sky high but guys come on it’s 2023 we all all know she and warren were just bearding for each other I’m sick of pretending they weren’t

#sky high #and okay maybe im projecting because just look at them and the amount of gay awakenings that were had to them #my own 😵‍💫 #im a warren peace stan is this even kinda surprising hes emo he reads hes hotheaded he likes shitty poetry crap he has bad social skills #of course i was into him #and layla too come on shes got absolutely broken plant powers but shes a pacifist shes sweet shes an activist she calls the school fascist #but no yeah layla and warren so very clearly were not interested in each other at all like they will be bomb ass besties but romantically no #warren was literally playing the role of gbf like Layla was talking about will and hes like #girl just kiss him already #he had no desire to be with her romantically and was pretty explicity not into holding her hand #but he played along cuz he just wanted to make will mad like this is such gbf behavior akdjks #just like ‘oh so you wanna piss off your shitty crush? lol okay lets do this 😎’ #plus like just look at him hes simply gay your honor #layla now layla is painfully obviously gay and its gonna hit her like a train #weve all wanted her to be gay our whole lives but noooo she had to get with boring fucking will #in my version she and will date for a while but feelings get complicated #she isnt sure if she likes will or if she just chose him cuz it was convenient to like her male friend #she always looked at other girls a bit longer than what was ‘normal’ #but she isnt into labels! she doesnt need to worry about this! its fine everything is fine- #shes just an over eager ally thats all #the crisis lasts for years warren gives her The Stare shes like 🫣 #listen im just trying to live out my childhood dream and make the characters i had an indescribable fascination with gay #and yes i was just watching sky high what about it

[roostertuftart]

I know you're the Kyle expert, but I knew a guy who thought Stan would be an incel. Thoughts?

Hmmm. Idk, I've seen that float around and I don't really get it?? Like, I can sorta get it more than when people seriously say it about Kyle. Stan definitely seems to fall into more... Viewing girls sort of in that perhaps lightly internally sexist way than Kyle seems to, of having some sort of unintentional separation between boys and girls that makes him kind of view girls as very different types of people friendwise, if that makes sense. Like, say he was dating a guy- I don't think much would change in terms of the guy being an extremely close friend who's been elevated up an extra level to romantic. But Wendy isn't really like that. She's not Stan's friend outside of their relationship.

And okay, that's not to say Kyle is a bastion of anti sexism himself, ESPECIALLY noting earlier seasons, but Kyle doesn't really seem to act the same way Stan does when interacting with girls?? His early season sexism felt more innocent and childish, something he's definitely grown out of now. It was less built on this deep internalized toxic masculinity and more like the "eww cooties" ideas that happen a lot with young kids. Obviously division based on traits like sex is not good under any circumstance, but it doesn't seem to have carried on much in his modern view of girls. Nowadays Kyle just seems to view girls far more equally even when divided from them, and cares more about listening or hearing out where they're coming from and understanding their frustration with sexism, for example. While he doesn't really have many close female friends (and really none of the boys actually do besides Stan), his behavior doesn't really shift at all to trying to be gentlemen-y or something around women, denoting a very equal level view of them.

But, in Stan's defense, we see him interacting with the girls way more than Kyle, and I think him having dated Wendy, interacting with her friends, etc etc over the series gives us way more to work with in that area than we get to with the more or less far in between hints we're given with Kyle. One thing that I think may impact this for me is also kind of that the few times we HAVE seen Kyle's attraction to girls play out, putting aside Leslie bc oh boy was Kyle blindly simping there, he doesn't seem to be as quick to focus on like... I guess vaguely sexual aspects like the other boys, which leads to him just seeming to objectify women less (Not to say that being sexually attracted to someone is inherently objectifying, but there is more of an overlap with people who are drawn by looks and engagement in objectifying behavior).

And then there's how Kyle has reacted to being rejected, and I know the big one is Super Hard PCness that everyone likes to point out as Kyle being a "nice guy", but in actuality, he was extremely graceful in how their relationship ended, moreso than he needed to be with the horrible things Heidi said to him, and only flipped out after being bullied and teased and harassed by virtually the whole school, Cartman and Heidi especially. It was definitely not anger purely because he didn't get a girl he liked, it was anger that someone he'd trusted and tried to help so swiftly turned on him and humiliated him for no reason at all, that once again he was being put down by Cartman, and that everyone else treated him poorly as well, Stan included. There's also Rebecca who Kyle just... Kinda let go. Like, we don't really see much of his reaction but there's nothing to tell us Kyle was angry their relationship was broken off, so I'm counting it at least a little. There's Nichole too, who once again we don't really straight up see Kyle's reaction to her breaking up with him. But we do see how he treats her, how much he tries to find stuff they have in common to talk about, how his only anger of their relationship not working is Cartman's blatant racism and lies about him purposely made to sabotage any chances he does get with this girl that he likes. It's not anger towards whatever choice Nichole makes here, it's anger about Cartman's needless and morally egregious interference. I know this is a low bar to pass in whether a character is decent to women, but Kyle just repeatedly not behaving badly over his breakups is a big tell to me. So often we see male characters act like assholes just because a girl doesn't like them or a girl broke up with them or something. Even with Stan, in fact, we've seen this play out. I mean. He's pretty okay too but we did see him tell Wendy she was a bitch for dating someone else. This is from early seasons, that I wouldn't solely use as evidence Stan is a crazy sexist even now, but it plays a part in this conversation on whether or not you can more accurately call Stan Marsh the incel-ish one of the two.

Okay, but like. Why am I even talking so much about Kyle here when you're asking about Stan? Well, I honestly think that the duality of them as characters reinforces the ideas of what the other is like to the audience, and this leads into a LOT of the extremes the fandom will push them into (the fem/masc debate, the nerd/jock debate, etc etc) and likewise it does so here. When we see Kyle being kinda more normal around girls, even though it's rare we see him like that at all, it makes Stan seem all the more awkward when in reality, he kind of isn't that bad at all?? He's pretty normal with girls for a boy his age, though he could be a bit less of a dick sometimes. I do think he sometimes has this huge focus on looks, and that can be... Not great, but it's not to a horrible evil incel-ish degree by any means, and I'd argue for his age he's a pretty good guy to, say, Wendy- Not that he can't improve a LOT but Idk, his shittiness comes off more as "dumb little boy is sometimes a jerk to his friends" to me than "secretly hates and disrespects women".

But y'know, at the end of the day, Kyle and Stan are more alike than people think about many of these things, this being one of them. Whether or not Kyle or Stan are better with how they act to women is hard to say. I can see why people would be able to twist Kyle into being incel-ish even if I don't really personally think it's based accurately on the information we've been given. I can see even moreso how someone might be able to with Stan, and while I do think there's at least a bit more of a leg to stand on him having some issues with internalized sexism, I don't think it's accurate with the information we've been given either. Neither of them are really incel-ish to me.

Honestly, if they were dealing with the issue of not being able to find a partner, they'd probably mostly internalize it into self blame and feel bad about themselves but not really broadly blame other people. Stan might slump into a depression or put his focus elsewhere, Kyle, if wanting a partner badly enough (I don't think it's ever been his first priority and I doubt it ever will be) would make efforts to fix the problem by figuring out what's putting people off about himself and try to figure out how he can fix it rather than lashing out. (Also I already lightly touched on why I don't think Kyle would redo his actions in The List right here over not being able to get a girlfriend lol)

#devastatingly kyle has fallen into behavior that on the surface can be incel-ish looking if you don't read that deep into the show TWICE #which i think is also part of why he gets the incel/nice guy treatment from the fandom sometimes #though not too much so I think other ppl can agree Kyle just FEELS very normal around girls and i think that's bc he simply IS #even if ppl can't figure out exactly why he feels to them that way as a character #and then we have stan who rly hasn't fed into any surface level incel ideas but idk I've been seeing it a lot with him #it could be in part though just bc he shows so much attraction and interest in ppl he likes #he is so desperate about his love life sometimes that ig that can feel vaguely incel-y if ppl want it to be bad enough? #idk #sorry irambled about kyle so much it felt relevant #hope this all makes sense #also ty for calling me the kyle expertSDKFSDF aw #south park meta #me talking #ask #anon #kyle broflovski #stan marsh #have i made enough kyle defense meta posts about how he's not an incel to redeem myself from my incel kyle arc guys

[abernant]

i kind of love misty what the fuck is wrong with her

I LOVEEEE MISTY SHES ONE OF MY FAVS . IT GETS WORSE DO NOT WORRY

#MY VERY NORMAL GIRL AND HER VERY NORMAL BEHAVIORS #asks #radio

[minty-bubblegum]

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#Naw Im wilding 😭 #Help #Forever affected by that #My girl is mean #That's okay tho we're chill now #She hasn't said anything crazy like that again #Lord knows what I'd do then 😟 #It's actually 31 screenshots I forgot one #I am in . I don't even know #Is it anxiety?? Sickness?? Love?? Horny?? #I may never figure it out #.. #I am not normal #I always said that I was normal but I cannot keep up with that anymore #Look at this . #Not very normal behavior of me #Hmm #I love leechy <33

[redhotarsenic]

God I wish my mother wasn’t so adamant that my brothers get with a black woman thats WEIRD why does it matter so much jesus christ

#‘hurbh hurbh hurbh can’t trust white girls’ #fuckin shit man. you realize there’s normal people out there right? #and you know. i exhibit Depression Traits right? #<- I’m not diagnosed but there’s something very deeply wrong with me and it’s painfully obvious #which include Unpalatable Behaviors #and she keeps saying that I’m setting a bad example and my brothers aren’t gonna want to get with black women! #exhausting shit I must say!

[doctorweebmd]

Yo I ran into the dude that I thirsted for so hard 2.5 years ago that I started writing Intersecting Lines in the work cafeteria this morning and I pretended not to see him

#………. #I am still #so hopelessly enamored with him #he’s #so smart and handsome and funny and kind #everything I wish I was #I just get very embarrassed and blush a ton when he’s around which is…. #(I am 30 and married so that’s….. not cute) #anyway oh god he’s still so beautiful #anyways don’t ever be nice to weird girls #because they might fall in love a little and use that weird affection #to write like 700000 words of anime fanfiction #this isn’t like a realistic crush so it doesn’t count by the way #he’s like a celebrity and I’m like a normal person #this little crush is pervasive #anyway sometimes people become important to you against your permission #he elbowed me and said hi #and I pretended I was zoning out and said hi back like way later #totally cool and normal person behavior #I shared a 28 hour shift on my 28th birthday with him and my heart couldn’t handle it #week later I saw heroes rising #two days later I went insane and here we are #he’s so out of every league that exists #like Anna would you ever date him? what? and embarrass myself? no thanks #I’m not ugly by any means but perfect handsome successful funny sweet people like him need to stay in his lane #I have no idea why I haven’t moved past this crush in like……… over 4 years #hold on let me find other blog posts about him

[bylertruther]

with the way that some of you talk about will you'd expect every other scene of his to be a suicide attempt, for there to be scenes of him talking about lonnie negatively or at-fucking-all, for there to be scenes where we can see this supposed disgust or hatred for his sexuality, for him to have been the one that said "what did you think really? that we were never going to get girlfriends and stay in my basement playing games for the rest of our lives?" and "it's not my fault you don't like girls!" and "we're friends! we're. friends.", for him to have been the one to make fun of mike's campaign, for him to have been the one to ditch his interests to be Cool and Grown, for him to be the one with the family that doesn't give a rat's ass about him, for him to be the one in a relationship with someone he doesn't love because he doesn't want to face the truth, for him to be the one that can't ever talk about his feelings or let himself feel them, for him to be the one avoiding love, for him to be the one that went through a depression and grief arc, for him to be the one that is shown to not be okay even when there's no supernatural fuckshit going on, for him to be the one isolating himself from his loved ones, and so on and so forth cutting this post short now even tho i could 100% go on and keep rattling off the Actually depressing shit tht you guys keep stealing from other characters on this show and trying to pin on him. but anyway ....

#before one of u decides 2 put on ur clown shoes n try to twist my words im not saying he's never been sad #but some of u mistake will's behavior during a crisis for his behavior every day #when the scenes without any supernatural fuckshit show us tht he's a pretty normal guy lol as normal as someone like him can be #and tht he bounces back bc he is fortunate to have a life full of ppl tht love him n fortunate to have hobbies n interests he loves #like. he is a character in a story we only have what they show us #and even in supplemental material will is a very hopeful guy. he sees the bullshit but doesn't dwell on it. like. #it doesn't matter but i jus . grrrr #he doesn't like being doted on but it's people doting on him that's made him relatively well adjusted after everything lol #characters like mike jon max billy el etc are That Way bc they don't have what will has #yes lonnie was awful but will has always had mike jon n joyce in his corner n they overcompensated bc of it #like. idk lmao y'all act like will is tht girl from 13rw or idek. y'all act like he's mike sometimes tbh. #homeboy is out here making art for his crush making presentations on gay heroes daydreaming abt playing games being a sassy brother etc #but anyway . 🤪 (<- me trying 2 be normal so normal)

[spoonyruncible]

It's not that they trust Misty, it's that for all the awful things that she's done, they've done just as bad...or worse.

I definitely get the profound bond of mutual trauma and sharing the weight of sins too terrible for any one who wasn't there to comprehend, I did go to boarding school for five years. It's just that I feel like we, as animals, have a certain level of visible violent mental instability that we intuitively know not to show our throats to. There's absolutely a level of looking after your own out of bone deep debts and wretched guilt, because you can't kill a monster when you're the one who helped feed it, when it's more a part of you now than your own skin. I get that, but I cannot endorse ignoring your survival instincts just because you haven't learned a single coping mechanism in thirty years.

Misty is like, "Hey, is anyone else gonna commit this unspeakably depraved act?" and doesn't even wait for an answer.

Anyway, I'll almost certainly wind up with different opinions by the end of the show. I'm just rambling about it as I watch.

#it's the situational madness #we're all capable of horrors beyond our knowing under the right circumstance #but misty is not into waiting for circimstances #girl just wants to get straight to the horrors #i do like this very much about her #i really don't think anyone in this show is being stupid or irrational #they're just acting like people #broken fucked up people #their behavior makes perfect sense in the context of the story #i just like rambling about media as i consume it #oh god #oh fuck #misty is my poor little meow meow #genuinely did not mean for that to happen #yellowjackets #anyway i can't wait to see what happens to jackie #i feel like it's gonna fuck me up for days! #fun fact: my therapist told me she has clients who are survivors of wwasp schools #she was so disturbed by how casually i mentioned forced brandings #and was like that isn't normal that doesn't even happen at wilderness schools #you went to a very bad school #so i wasn't 100% joking about the boarding school thing #i know exactly the sort of shit that happens when you trap a bunch of teenage girls in a high stress environment #the seance was spot on flawless #something very similar happened to me #except instead of speaking french and cracking her head on a window #the girl grabbed someone's throat and pinned her down while spitting blood on her face

[emeraldgreaves]

dracula is a great book, but there is the occasional moment where it feels as though the characters are overridden by bram stoker attempting to get a good grade in victorian sexuality, something that is both normal to want and possible to achieve

#dracula daily #product of their time etc. but they very much interrupt the flow of the narrative #this is specifically about the occasional asides #mina’s eve mention re: tricking van helsing #the new woman passage #van helsing regularly going ‘mrs harker is wonderful she’s not like Other Girls’ #like ‘mrs harker brought me a cup of tea and for the first time this felt like home’ #is cute or sexist depending on the cultural lens you read it through #bc 21st century audiences will read it as found family but it’s also very ‘this place felt like home now that there was a Woman around’ #Lucy’s Dead and Now She’s Sexy is related to sexuality *but* it is actually not an example of this because there was a clear and observable #force that acted on her (getting drinked) that caused a dramatic shift in her behavior #that occurred within the narrative #whereas we’re expected to take the characters at face value when by a 21st century lens they tend to act opposite of what bram’s hammering i #mina/bram saying ‘oh arthur must feel safe enough to cry now that he’s with a woman :)’ even though we’ve seen him cry and express emotion #multiple times before this! which may be a result of the chronological format. i have no idea how it reads originally #maybe this is the first time we see arthur cry #in the normal book #yeah. many thoughts #emerald speaks #emerald reads

[ratcandy]

Connect every song to AHIT instead /j

Oh trust me I have also done this. But it's with the wrong character like 90% of the time

#mb I'm talking about mafia boss #don't worry about it I exhibit normal behavior about him #anyway I HAVE connected a few songs to Mu. Because Mu is in my head a lot #more specifically . does a gay little smirk. #I think that ''Blah Blah Blah'' by The Oozes is a very good Mustache Girl song #ask #hattytime

[lockedtowers]

honestly cassies way too unbothered by j/effersons essentially stalking habits and its sort of concerning

#‘but brina its his ki—‘ emma too tho dont forget it #tho cassies also not entirely uhhh normal avt anything so #she also has no issues w his knocking ppl out tendencies unless hes doing it to her so she’ll ‘sleep’ #in which case THEN she gets offended #but like him watching grace shes sort of just not bothered by at all #just all ‘well shes his kid it makes sense’ even tho she helped w her too #honestly tho w a lot of jeffys post head loss behavior shes very ‘yes. and?’ abt and its like girl pls #but she also knew him way before all that so logistically thats prolly why but #sighs at her #making a reference to it in this reply and caused thoughts #out.

[lostghoulie]

no but why am i still obsessed w/ you it’s so unhealthy

#looking u up on social media at least 4x a month #very very normal behavior #just a girl being a girl <3